PHIL HELLMUTH WHITE MAGIC - More High Stakes Duel 2 Hands
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- We're back with more hands to review from the Round 1 High Stakes Duel match against Phil Hellmuth. We go over our strategy against Phil, where we made mistakes, and how to adjust for Round 2. Lots of discussion on Ranges, sizing, and some spots where maybe we should've gone All In.
0:00 Intro
0:28 Hand #1
4:57 Hand #2
7:40 Hand #3
11:12 Hand #4
14:03 Hand #5
16:16 Hand #6
18:51 Hand #7 Jack-Ten
20:50 Round 2 Match Preview
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Where do I get that shirt!!
It was a Christmas gift! Not sure where he got it.
You can find the shirt on google, I tried to link it but CZcams keeps deleting it
Make your own. I mean they cost like 30 bucks to get one shipped to you with your choice of color shape size n design 😂
@@ivaylogodev3495 Rounders ☺
@@ivaylogodev3495 the movie is called rounders, the character is called teddy kgb, the actor is called john malkovich
Big ups for uploading a bunch of losing hands. It’s unquestionable that we learn more that way. Just another of the many reasons I love watching your videos!!
Daniel is not only the smartest player but also puts out so much content it’s actual insane
I love the clarity of the explanations, which reflects the clarity of the thinking. Beautiful.
Always learn so much. Insights from one of the greatest poker minds ever. Thank you Daniel!
Can't wait man! Love the break downs
Front door flush-
Gets there
Daniel- "Front door flushes are irrelevant. So irrelevant that I didn't even notice it.." 😂😂😂😂
This is "online mathematical cash-game analysis"... of a freezeout live-play event, against a guy who isn't keeping track of your ranges, frequencies or anything remotely related to GTO. This strikes me as classic over-thinking. In chess, this would be like analyzing an amateur online bullet game with a 500 page novel written by Hikaru Nakamura.
Yep even the very first J10 hand, Daniel says Phil was steaming and gets sticky when he’s tilted. Also says Phil is betting his weak pairs in the turn far too often. Soooo if he often has a pair and isn’t folding, doesn’t that make giving him 3-1 on the river absolutely awful??
@@joshuag6057 it's actually 4 to 1 right? Don't you add the money you put in for the call?
So can someone explain HAND #4 to me a little more? I can see why Phil shoved all in b/c he wanted to avoid a diamond. Let's say Phil just called or did a small reraise and a diamond came on the turn, what is his move suppose to be then? Is he suppose to raise even if the diamond comes on the turn to see what Daniel will do?
You're absolutely right. Over-analyzing may save you 0.5% variance over a million hands; but when your opponent is on the ropes, there may only be a few hands left. Variances will skyrocket, and the analysis means nothing.
I think this is good though. Its not for people really studying GTO already, but GTO "amateurs " lol. I find it helpful to get used to the concepts and get thinking about them in specific spots, but its not gunna be super useful where I am obviously, but it eventually will. It gets the ball rolling.
And its part entertainment
Love how you try to explain your ass kicking
Love the analysis vids Daniel, but my biggest question is where can I get that shirt??
Love the analysis? He’s horrible at explaining things, he said pot divided bet plus pot? What.....
@@santaclause3487 if you have a problem with this comment you clearly are trying to instigate. Spread a little positivity.
@@ethanb8461 it’s bad advice, Phil’s call with 104 was correct
S.C. I agree, im new and want to gain insight but he said " what is the pot bet size?, I guess it,s the math side of poker or gto or whatever, im clueless on this stuff and so want to learn but cant find simple examples
Just Google it. You should find it.
thank you for doing this. I learned a lot!
Very well explained , no boring peaches with diagrams and dumb stuff, very logical and clear, thankyou, Great presentation.
Great stuff! Last hand I think it would be better to check-shove flop. What do you think?
Good to see chess players try poker, good going Daniel
What's funny is I seen the shirt before the comments and then I had to come to the comments and it seems like everyone else had same idea lol love it
Loving these videos
I do think a more polarizing bet on the river of the T4 hand makes more sense in this situation. Solvers are betting big on both your nutted and air hands so if you decide to float with the intention of barreling river I think you need to bet pot to 1.5 pot. And in this case with the sit and go I think it makes even more sense putting Phil all in when if he loses he’s out and loses the sit and go makes it significantly tougher and could likely get him to fold some of his Q hands even.
right.... you have great logic - your brain is amazing... i love the contentst you share - subbed.
I think Daniel you are very much under estimating Hellmuths ability to make adjustments on the fly and to disguise his hand ranges. Why does everyone underestimate Phil Hellmuth?
I totally agree. Imo Daniel is a better player however Hellmuth is too often underestimated.
If he would have taken a more humble approach people would speak better of him.
Yep agreed. This comes down to nothing more than underestimating feel and reads, which in poker means alot. You can play totally mathematical all day long, but if that was all that mattered.. Phil would never win. Unless he's the luckiest guy on the planet, which he isnt. I think it comes down to a little jealousy on the cashes and wins he has, and also Phil isnt the most gracious winner and loser.
Because Tony G that’s why 😂😂
Cause he’s such a dork
As an amateur player i feel i'm becoming better just by watching this, fantastic video as always!
I’ve noticed there’s a lot more hands getting to showdown these days. It used to be that we were supposed to try making most of our money from non-showdown hands. Has that changed with GTO Daniel?
It's just because Daniel thinks his post-flop play is way stronger than Phil's.
That's a quality shirt :)
Daniel love the videos and the red jacket.
When you play Phil, does him covering his face and wearing the hat shield him from you reading him?
Do you ever get into how you read a guy like Phil in any of your videos?
No respect for Phil’s reading skills. He doesn’t need ranges and math. He can read your soul!!!
Nice video!
10:47 juuuust about to say "Doug Polk", but in all honesty I like these videos from Negreanu, I like him explaining what he is thinking and doing, he seems to have a better mind for poker than Phil has.
First thing i immediately think of is how Phil would have went absolutely NUTS if you had the 10 4 clubs and he had the J 10 hearts and u called his river raise with only 4s
That is a awesome shirt! I need to go find it!
Love the hearthstone valeera references on the thumbnail.
“Why is everyone so happy except Phil?”
Daniel was such a troll in that episode 🤣
'...use equates to make decisions'. (Ed Miller)
'...poker is a game of incomplete information...' (Ed Miller)
'...poker is a game of people...' (Doyle Brunson and Mike Caro)
In my opinion, Hellmuth either wittingly or unwittingly played an element of yourself that you didn't and possibly may never see. I see it as important you have a look at Johari's window model.
What can be the most important and variable part of any equation is the unknown (Alan Howson)
Great t-shirt !
Wow, he got so lucky hand after hand... good analysis. 👍
lol not even close
You’re my fav poker player man 🤙
I love that shirt, epic!
Good luck and all DNegs - Phil is a beast. Remember, he has a zillion of your recent hands to study. You are DEFFY not playing "small ball" anymore.
Dunce
@@doctorz5144 😆 🤣
Best of luck for the next Match DNEGS
"Measures were taken.." - Sylvio from Blue Comet episode.
Don’t talk to Sylvio about switching sides to New York
love the shirt
Where can I get that pay heem tshirt? I need it so bad
You're over thinking it. Trust your instinct, you're one of the best ever, trust it.
Agreed. He doesn’t even use his reads anymore, he’s turning into one of those internet players lol
So can someone explain HAND #4 to me a little more? I can see why Phil shoved all in b/c he wanted to avoid a diamond. Let's say Phil just called or did a small reraise and a diamond came on the turn, what is his move suppose to be then? Is he suppose to raise even if the diamond comes on the turn to see what Daniel will do?
Even if Daniel has the diamond, chances are it's not going to come by percentages. So you want to get more value, if it comes you slow down and maybe lose. But that's worth the risk.
On that A7 I might have jammed or made one call, I don't like cards coming off either!
Good luck in the second heat man, please ask the commentator to stop referring to you as "Negs." I'm going to cringe myself inside out if he keeps going.
Who is it Nick Shulman? That guy is great
Says someone that uses the word cringe 🤣 Why hate? Appreciate! Good Luck! Plus isn't this a DNegs video? He calls himself Kid Poker and acts like the kid from Jersey Shore and he's probably 50. It's all relative!
@@pokerbruh Damn you're very defensive, or maybe it'd be cooler to say efensive.
Horrid nickname. Never heard anyone refer to him as d negs. Sounds to much like D bag.
You keep talking about what's optimal but your facing Phil. Have you considered node locking some spots to see how the solver output changes when facing an opponent that shows up to the flop with all kinds of hands that shouldn't be in range or probes turns with hands he shouldn't? I bet the output would be quite different.
White magic baby. No coincidence that he had an epic comeback against Daniel and Jungleman two of the best. This man's play needs to stop being underestimated. Sorry Dnegs
Lol
Credit to Phil, he played his hands off color in the optimal sense, but played the player.
You never mentioned his respect for you and knowledge that you have been in the lab and without a sick mix in play, he is dominated. He is a great heads-up player, still I have watched both of you for years and see his angle. Your playing him and the numbers, dont forget to get into his head, also he didnt want to play anymore heads-up with you.🤔
This could end badly Daniel. You better tighten up.
I mean he just needs to not get consistently rivered. I'm not a big DN fan but when they got short PH ran like a god, catching all his outs on the river where the money was for the most part already in the pot. If this was the same format as vs Doug PH would be getting cruuuuushed but with this few hands, anything can happen depending on luck.
@@Artharas keep telling yourself that kiddo
How do you randomize in live poker?
well played D... super exploit-folds
I was wondering y you didn't put him all in with j10 of hearts and most of all the poker qq's . Crazy to me but what do I know I'll never have 50k on the line.
very good
Looking forward to round 3 against helmuth, he's not going to be easy to beat, he's got more bracelets than Mr T
how does Daniel decide how to randomize his 3x or 7x raises? does he use tools at the table? I really don't understand
A lot of players will do things like looking at a clock on the wall, if the second hand is on an even number when they glance, they do 3x , on an odd number, 7x. Things like that.
@@brandonr2906 thanks, really interesting
That tshirt is great.
Will the heads up be live on CZcams?
And 5pm what ? PT ?
Live on pokergo like the first one.
Is poker go a site or the CZcams channel i don’t know that’s why I missed the first
@@deeaniel5329 it's a paid poker content site separate from youtube. They do put some free stuff on youtube but not enough
Phil is the best card player out there.. the only problem is the fact that everyone else is actually playing poker.. true hero though.. gotta give him kudos for that :))
Doug Polk level of condescension. And you call Phil a friend? Sheesh
love the t-shirt.
Let’s see some All in bluffs Danny. This is a HU SNG after all. How did you pass up the first few hands where you could credibly rep an Ace vs Phil’s weak sizing.
It just wasn't necessary as my strategy was working perfectly until the cards turned
@@dnegspoker You’re right, I just would’ve liked to see him squirm and cry like a baby, then you show him air. Haha
Dont get me wrong, i grew up with daniel on tv, but this is the first time i hear him talk real poker
I want that shirt 😁😁😁its awesome
Which book do you mostly recommand for tournaments online?
I bought one at a yard sale, " full tilt poker". Hand examples, explanations, large\ short stacks, essays, recommend it.
" The full tilt poker stragy guide " Tournament edition. 2007. Edited by michael Craig. It has chapters by andy block, chris Ferguson, ted forrest, howard lederer, gavin smith, mike matasou ,huck seed, and others.
@@shivasirons6159 did IT helped you to be better? How much is your best win?
You always have to coolest shirts
Daniel i like u to say first......If Phil is so bad and made so much mistakes what does it say about your play then? ever thought of this?
Is Hellmuth starting to look like Matusow more and more?
That shirt is awesome
This challenge seems to have lost its hype since the first round. Glad to see something to trying to get it moving again.
So much respect for Daniel....class act
Couldn’t disagree with you more
You really think Daniel is a class act? He is a damn skilled poker player, but he is without a doubt a POS of a person.
I don't agree with the k5 hand. I usually check with my top pair only if the board isn't connecting. If I haven't connected at all on the turn on a board that is connected then I just fold to any hand. I should be betting most of the time with my top pair, so that is how I balance my range. If I had A7 in that position and get raised on the turn after I have checked the flop, I am folding every time because opponent having any card from 8 to K puts in a bad position at the river.
Rooting for dneg but when is the next match?
great video!!
Best T-Shirt EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
He beat me straight up!
Neg's..Winnipeg here. Everyone thinks Phil is terrible in the new age, but lets give him some cred. You if anyone have "grown up " in poker with him.
Still team Neg. still team Can. ..Go Jets GO....no Leafs this year. lol
Where can I buy that shirt? Love the channel
nevermind, just saw your reply to somebody else about the shirt.
standard check on river with K2 ss
3:44 Pot / (Bet + Pot) = 6000 / (2000 + 6000) = 0.75. What am I missing?
I think he just misspoke and it should be bet/(bet + pot) or 2000/(2000+4000)= 1/3
My favourite part is constant : "well against normal player" :D
That is the best shirt.
Are you wearing 2 watches? 🤔
Hi DNegs. 🤗
I watched the analysis of the first 3 hands and shook my head -- this reminds me of how badly Daniel ran for years on HSP. Dwan ran like a god while Daniel took beat after beat.
keep telling yourself that lol
The shirt!!!
I bet Phil gets a lot of money to play in tournaments. He's 90% of the reason people still watch poker when he's at the table.
J10 hand wa painfully played Otherwise, pretty solid analysis and some good folds I think.
Can someone explain the game theory math he was doing to find out how much he should call for to make it a profitable play ?
If you and a friend both bet a dollar on something to figure out the percent you need to think your bet wins to take the bet you would do stake/(reward+stake) so 1/(1+1)= 0.5 so 50% so if a pot was 100 and someone bet 40 then you would do 40/180=0.22 so if you bet 40 into a pot of 100 you give the person 88% to call 22% to fold
Dan, you’re the best.. period! ✌🏻
Phil let him get the bait all the way down his throat for fun before yanking it back
In Hand #1, DN gets Fancy Play Syndrome at the worst possible moment.
JTs: When you have read that he bets all sort of weak to medium strength hands this would be decent spot to raise and represent all the Ax that you most of time probably playing this way as well. Well stack depth is bit awkward I suppose but we can raise to 2.5k and actually put lot of those weak one pair hands into tough spot. Then be ready to fire river decently often having 3/4 pot behind. Call would be better if you assume his range to be polarized into Ax+ (or even two pair+ because theory wise BB should be probe betting A turn very very rarely imo) or semibluff with oesd or fd. In that spot I would call for having decent showdown value with gutshot as support. Most people would not be bluffing with any Kx so we beat most of the semibluff range.
Also are you raise-folding or raise-calling preflop versus Phil if he shoves? In general raise-folding such high equity hand is not recommended with these stacks and limping would be good option. Though versus very passive opponent raise-folding is reasonable I suppose.
K5s: Flop and turn are fine. In river I would think about bluff raising. Maybe not good candidate for it. But in general I would tend to use bottom of my range that comes into this spot as there is not that much ways to block straight combos considering how wide HU ranges are.
ATo: Yeah its absurd move to shove. When I saw that I really wondered if there is any weaker hand to call that is not like AQd type. Maybe 87? Good example of overprotecting hand on scary board.
K4s: Yeah cant fold this pre. K4o versus this type opponent I would tend to fold. Heh nasty flop spot. If you think he is going to barrel often it would actually be fold on flop imo. Super nitty and exploitative adjustment though but this hand is not going to improve often. Plus even if we improve we are not going to be super happy probably.
JTo: Super clear call with that stack on turn.
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Daniel, you need to give Phil some credit. He outplayed you in spite of his questionable calls. If you call it luck, then you admit you too are just lucky when you win. I still think you are the best ;)
Daniel knows he’s a better player then Phil, did you not watch the video? Phil got bailed out on the river so many times. Phil could’ve had Daniel dead so many times but he has these horrible bet sizes
@@cameronmitchell9959 3-0
what if in tournaments players have small earpieces to use against other players
Daniel I think you are truly an amazing player and very well spoken... But.. there is game theory which is the avenue in which you approach your play with.. He is doing live read play... and playing you.. He has played so flawless when the most likely play is to do as you suggest.. But that is what random players do. . Which is where you made most of your money.. But truly he has a unique skill and understanding.. There is a small luck factor.. Overall he knows the difference between that and the true winning strategy.. He will always win in a tournament setting.. But the factors do not work when real money is involved and not a prize to win...
This comment makes no sense. Literally every poker pro knows that in the long run over a long trend of hands full game theory optimal wins every time. Why do you think that programs like Solver exist and show how a computer would play the game?
Is he crying because of Phill GREAT call?
Daniel on this video "Phil played all this hands bad", but also in this video "Phil won all this hands".
3:50 i believe to call half pot bt u need to win for break even 1 in 4 times
i can not undrstand how daniell is calculatin it .. any how in this live sit&go s i dont think that these think have much value , especially w phill helmut
I have a hard time keeping track of the pot in live games. Is there an easy trick i can use to help?
Either gotta multiply bet size by number of players or learn to eyeball the pot to where you're close enough