Fire Emblem Elitists
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- čas přidán 4. 04. 2021
- This video is going to be a bit different. Its not exactly going to be a video talking about 3-4 characters that fit the trope of elitist. I instead want to focus more on the trope itself and how this series explores it through its characters, while using established elitists as examples. Its like a support science… for a trope? A trope… trivia, i don’t know. Oh, and uh. If you thought that I would actually make a video addressing elitism in the playerbase… sorry, that’s not my department.
This video contains spoilers and characters from the following games: Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia, Fire Emblem: Thracia 776, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Fire Emblem: Three Houses.
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Is Laslow a Ogma in conquest ?
@@zenronez1158 Kinda
Constance is literally a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. She even calls herself a "temporarily embarrassed noble" in her C-Support with Byleth. Honestly, I pity people with a mindset like that IRL, and I find it an obstacle to social change.
Also, I feel Linhardt, despite not caring for the pageantry or responsibility of nobility, embodies another aspect of noble privilege by his freedom to delve into academic study in a way most non-nobles cannot, and I think he knows it.
Forgot to say this, but Oliver is so divorced from reality, I can't even call him evil, let alone a garden-variety elitist.
Let’s be honest I can’t be the only one who came into this expecting a video on elitism in the fanbase rather than in the actual characters and games lol
Given the title that was my first thought when clicking on this video
"My virtual toy is better than your virtual toy!"
Same here.
the recent community post made me think we were getting a video on royals, then the intro and title made me think it was about the fanbase only to realize it was about royals all along
The community post made me thought this video was going to be about the snobbiest of nobles.
Pleasantly surprised that this was about the characters and not the fanbase. Interesting take.
*Interesting maneuver.
I hear the word 'Elitist' thrown around in video game communities a lot, but i've never really understood it's meaning.
Does it refer to some players Simply being better at set videogame and acting like jerks because of it?
Or the ones who Believe the Old titles of Set videogame series is better than the new?
@@bluntlyhonest6803 It overall means people who act like jerks and/or like they are superior to those who are new to the series and/or has only played the "mainstream" games (basically only those games that have sold over 2M units like Awakening, Fates, 3H and/or Heroes).
@@V-Jes fire emblem also has a lot of tryhards in the community. If u don’t play the hardest difficulty plus classic mode you are not really playing the game.
@@V-Jes Gotcha. I was worried that i might be defined as an elitist since I started playing the Older games before the Newer titles. But i didn't start playing like back in "The good ol' days". i only got into FE 2 years ago :P
(FE6 Onward)
I really dig how Ferdinand from 3Hs is the very literal definition of aristocracy, in the sense he aspires to be the best because he honestly believes the nobles should be the mode role for the people. Hence why he's disgusted of the most questionable and shady nobles the game has (most notably his dad) while also claiming how there's nothing "noble" about them.
He also gets some points from me for advocating free education in Edelgard's route too.
We are ALL Ferdinand Von Aegir
I beg to differ...
We all are indeed!
Ty for this 🤣🤣🤣
Um... Objection?
@@byronvonedmund Overruled
Hmph. I SUPPOSE I will comment on this video to show engagement. I prefer to distance myself from such PEDESTRIAN videos, but I have no choice in the matter, this time.
Ugh! What NOBLE do you think you are commenting where the COMMONERS are supposed to?
@@fe_fanby2278 😄
@@fe_fanby2278 I'm afraid I was coerced by those DREADFUL, BOORISH peasants. Those COWHANDS seem to have experience with such matters. Clearly due to some unsavory job they do to buy gruel...
@@rhymeswithmoose228 Hey the common people are uprising right outside your door, and you deserve what happens next
@@johnathanedwards9054 You uneducated peasant! I've already left!
One thing I noticed about Three Houses in terms of the nobility: The Kingdom’s nobles seem to go on a “don’t flaunt it” policy when it comes to their privilege. They don’t brag about their status like Lorenz or Ferdinand, nor hold pompous sentiments about “a noble’s duty”. It shows the cultural difference between the three regions. The dynamic is similar to how the north was portrayed in Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire.
It's on an "only-when-asked" basis.
there s also the fact that 3 house cast is mostly noble:out of the commoners/commoners at heart
Ashe doesn't feel like a noble due to being saved by lonato
Dorothea had to work hard and get some noble "favors" to get there
leonie is indebted to her entire village
Raphael and ignatz are sons of rich merchants(raph is arguably more impoverished but he still has his grandpa and I assume his parents heritage, he just is conscious it can hold out forever)
Dedue situation is one of it's own
The assumption is that you're at least a minor nobility/knight son. You see commoners still but they are exceptions that confirms the rule
People also seem to forget that the Kingdom has a mixture of nobles who place an emphasis on crests vs nobles who don't really care about crests. Sylvain and Ingrid's families obviously care a lot about crests. Dimitri's family, the royal family, only allows crest heirs to ascend the throne, hence why Dimitri's uncle got skipped over in favor of Lambert the younger brother. Yet, neither Rodrigue nor Gilbert really seem to care about crests at all. Felix and Annette have issues with their fathers, but NOT about crests. Neither Felix nor Annette seems to deal with families who care much about the crest system.
This video kinda crystalized why I enjoy Ferdinand so much as a character. Because he's super pompous and full of himself like a lot of nobles. But he has this streak of thoughtfulness to him. Where he'll reconsider stuff when explicitly called out, or disagree with people like Lorenz or Edelgard on how to rule. They did a really nice job making him more three dimensional than you'd expect of this archetype. Adding a smidge or vulnerability or thoughtfulness goes a long way for these nobles characters.
The same could be said for Lorenz too, but Ferdinand is a more balanced character, imo.
Lorenz only begins acting like that post time-skip whereas Ferdinand acts like that from the beginning, which from an objective standpoint makes Ferdinand the better character.
hah, got eem.
I'm also reminded of Bernadetta. She's not elitist, but her pathology stems from her elitist father abusing and forcing her to be a good wife to a noble.
Is it wrong that I wish that we could have killed Count Varley in the game?
@@johnathanedwards9054 honestly who didn't?
Lorewise all that was just so she can marry Ferdinand von Aegir
@@irmatrubura4620 I paired her and Hubert up. I'm pretty sure he killled/helped her kill him in their paired ending. Canon
@@johnathanedwards9054 No, I think most people who played the game share the same wish
Growing up my sisters loved to watch British dramas like "Pride and Prejudice" and "Sense and Sensibility." Lukas always reminded me of the kind, dashing and good noblemen who gets the girl in the end of those kinds of movies.
You're not wrong. Lukas is top-tier husbando material and has legions of fangirls.
@@toriwork8891 I can confirm because my brother dates one
I don't think Clair had a negative view of commoners at all, just that she had a simplified vision of what their lives comprised of, which is the result of her peers and elders feeding her that oversimplified picture. In actuality, it's implied Clair actually liked the sound of that oversimplified lifestyle anyway, judging by her tone of voice when talking to Alm. She's just confused when she finds out things are more nuanced than she was lead to believe, but is open-minded and curious enough to want to know more about the commoner lifestyle and to be more respectful. She doesn't strike me as an elitist, but just "happens to be born and raised in an elite family". Her actual attitude towards commoners isn't negative nor does she see herself as inherently better than them.
Even in her backstory via supports and Memory Prisms, it's revealed that Clair was expected to be a prim and proper lady who would go to tea parties with other ladies to find a suitor, but she was far more interested in hanging out with and playing with Cilve and Fernand as kids, and eventually wanted to become a knight like Clive. From the very outset, Clair was an oddball among the noble ladies, which plants the seeds for her genuine interest in the common folk lifestyle.
She also spends a good chunk of the game crushing on Alm even before it's revealed he is a noble himself, and she doesn't stop crushing on him after the reveal, indicating its not just some commoner fetishism either. She liked Alm as an individual, which is far different to the attitude of other nobles, even Clive (who didn't recognise Delthea as an individual worth saving due to her status).
This all culminates in her eventually settling down with Gray, an actual commoner. She initially got off on the wrong foot with Gray, but that was because Gray ironically did to her what you would expect a noble to do to a commoner, and generalised her at first. He treated her as "just another pretty noble", as well as another woman he could try to court without really paying mind to her individuality, which she calls him out on and he learns from. Her over the top reaction is in part because of her heartbreak regarding Alm, which she owns up to, but she was right to call Gray out.
Clair is probably my favourite character in SoV (a game full of favourites for me), and her deceptively nuanced character is a large part of why.
Just like Louise, who preferred to prove herself with her archery skills than the more common lady-like talents.
3:24 wow even the ost didn’t like berkuts speech to a point it tried to tune him out
I like the noble trope that characters like Maribelle, Clair and Ferdinand and honestly more so than other characters at times.
God I didn’t realize how mean the game is to Ilios in his ending. Guy just can’t catch a break. No one recruits him because you have to kill Olwen to do so, and when you do he just gets a real shitty ending.
Well, as you might guess from the guy with the Lukas pfp, I’m a big fan of how he’s characterized. He’s a noble who never wished to fight, who never wished for an arranged marriage with a noble woman. He cares for and sympathizes with the Ram kids, defending them from Clair’s assumptions as shown in the video.
He’s a noble who doesn’t see class, but rather a person’s character.
Lukas is my second favorite character behind Alm. They're just so well written.
no, he sees class, but he doesn't care about it
Also him having a soothing voice makes me feel like im listening to asmr
@@avej99 Lmao 😂 but you are right
The people who hate Lorenz fall into three categories:
1_ People who didn't do ANY of his supports.
2_ Hair stylists.
3_ Joe Zieja.
This aged poorly since he ended up liking him lol
7:15 I wouldn't say "negative", more like "ignorant". She had those assumptions because she wasn't knowledgeable about their way of life, not because she viewed them in a negative light, and the way she asked Alm about how the common folk lived came from a place of childlike curiosity
A fair comparison. There's no universal way to approach this particular subject in the FE series, despite the fact that archetypes are definitely used to the point of exhaustion.
I'm surprised you didn't include Serra, who acts like a noble despite the fact that she's (almost certainly) a commoner orphan, because she believes wholeheartedly that she's a noble by birth who had to be put in an orphanage because her family fell on hard times. She's probably one of the more interesting takes on this particular topic.
I was wondering if she counts, since her origins were never underlined...perhaps she wasn't included due to her being abandoned.
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 It's entirely possible.
So Ferdinand is my favourite Student in Three Houses, so like 4th favourite character in the game overall XD, but the most important thing to remember about Ferdinand is that almost every time he says 'Noble' he is talking about spirit and deed, not bloodline. He strives to be a noble person and to uphold noble ideals. The whole reason he constantly challenges Edelgard is not due to ego but because he believes any leader worth their salt needs a person who can compete with them and tell them when they're making a mistake. I find it super weird that he doesn't auto leave the Empire after time skip because of this, but then again I think it's implied that Edelgard takes away basically all his power and freedom on most routes, so maybe he tried to dissent and she shut him down because she's not interested in counter arguments. Anyway, he may have a tendency to put his foot in his mouth at times, but I find him to overall be one of the most genuinely caring and well meaning characters in the game. I feel like it's easy to look at him and say 'oh he's super arrogant' but the more I read into his supports the less that seems to be true, he holds a deep and genuine admiration and respect for his peers and teachers regardless of their status and really doesn't fall into arrogant thinking too often. I just wanted to share my thoughts, since I think it's pretty easy to take a shallow look and miss a lot of this character who I really enjoy.
Exactly. Certain things do go over his head thanks to his outlook on life and nobility (Linhardt's beautiful response to his noble deeds), but never out of spite or thinking he's better than someone (other than maybe Edelgard)
@@awesomesmileyguy I mean though, he is better than Edelgard because she's morally bankrupt, so at least there's grounds there XD
@@kingbeerz7978 I just think Edelgard is morally grey. She has good intentions but poor execution, still wouldn't side with her though
@@johnathanedwards9054 She came off that way in Azure Moon and Verdant Wind, and seemed like a really good antagonist because of it. Then I played Crimson Flower and her motivations became super wonky and inconsistent, so it kind of ruined her for me. She really wasn't written to be a protagonist, just kind of ruined her.
@@kingbeerz7978 I thought the same, and then I looked at how Rhea acted in the academy phase and I began to see the similarities between the two and they both were great antagonists in their respective stories
Ngl i thought this was gonna address the playerbase
We got baited dude
@@Kryptnyt but any Ghast content is great content
That's more of Mekkah's department, via Pitfalls.
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607
Pitfalls also unwittingly promote elitism.
@@tyaty no hate, but how exactly?
i do love the fact that Alm immediately called Clive out on his bullshit
shows that even with all of his fancy words and big speeches there are part of him that cloud his judgement
I know this isn't about the player base, but can't believe Awakening players aren't really "babies" anymore
CYL was so weird this year because Awakening fans started showing traits of elitism and that just threw me for a loop
@@nerdsgalore5223 Obviously everyone likes theyr favorite entry in FE, but overwhelming Chrom support was surprising definitely
I remember being called an Awakening Baby back in 2013-2014 and It's really jarring knowing I'm no longer considered a newbie to the series.
@@nerdsgalore5223 i mean, i think it's fair to be upset your favorite pick was displaced by what could easily be interpreted as a gag character.
but that doesn't excuse hostility
Well awakening fans are from a long time but they are strong in who they like. Remember when everyone was overhyping camilia winning for the second time in the gauntlet so the quiet tharja fans including me came in and won as everyone was focused on taking down camilia. That was a sight to see.
Chrom also gets looked down on at times like smash Bros making fun of him before adding him later or something as well as warriors making him the poster child so chrom definitely earned him fan base.
11:15 ...we don't deserve you, Ferdinand
And that's why Ferdie is best boy
Constance: I'm a high class noblewman except I'm GENUINELY FUCKING WEIRD
The same could be said of every noble in this franchise.
Linhardt effortlessly body-bagging Ferdinand never stops being funny
Keep up the good work, Ghast! At this rate, you’re bound to become the definitive Fire Emblem CZcamsr for a lot of people, and I can’t wait. It’ll really help bring Fire Emblem out of its current ultra-niche part of CZcams.
Patiently but excitedly waiting for the next upload!
God i love hearing lorenz and ferdie bro it out
Berkut has such a sexy voice wtf
Wait til you hear him scream uncle
Ian Sinclair for ya
Burkut: Lies! Lies! Lies!
@@karlauminga6404 No one:
Literally no one:
Berkut: If I can't have it, then I will kill everyone
King Dragon sends his regards!
Clive is probably the best take on a well meaning noble in the entire series, imo. He is *beautifully* realistically handled.
Clive is underrated.
I think it would be more interesting if there was a Fire Emblem game that doesn't focus on the royalty or nobility at all. Something that centers around the struggles of commoners and doesn't romanticize the idea of class hierarchy.
Would be a great idea
I would play that game
The thing here is that it's always about wars, kingdoms falling or expanding, geopolitical situations and all of that needs to include nobility at some point. If the story were to focus on commoners only I guess all nobles would have to be antagonists. Something about a revolution maybe, we can tell a lot of things with that, but the bigger the country is the more likely it is some nobles would join the revolution in hopes to save at least part of what they risk losing if the power shifts.
I’m ok with most of the elitist characters in the franchise, just as long as it isn’t there whole personality and they don’t include it in every sentence they make.
Wow rude, they aren't elitist or classist, they are just better than you in every way.
You would make a great senator then!!
Reminds me of Algus, or Argath, from FF Tactics. His family lost all the power they had when Algus' grandfather betrayed a friend for freedom and then got killed by a common squire. Algus' father was the only one to not believe this and soon their House was abandoned, this lead to Algus forming deep contempt to non-nobles and desperately trying to regain his family's reputation back. Dude let his anger get the better of him and he ended up dying to a noble/commoner duo while following orders.
And then he became a raid boss.
This is such a good analysis on why elitist characters pop up so often and why we like certain ones more than others - I love Maribelle because deep down she is a good person but hate Fernand because he just refuses to accept all people have value. Also shout out to Sylvain, my favourite noble who never wanted to be noble. King.
I actually find the noble/kind of stuck up characters fun and charming. Like Clair, Virion, Ferdinand von Aegir, and Constance.
Also Clair and Gray are cute and I totally ship it
yeah same. the uptight snobby nobles are usually fun to watch
@@Faerghast Yes!
@@Faerghast does that include Larachel?
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 ESPECIALLY L'Arachel.
@@Vassilinia cool character, absolute murder on the battlefield.
Proud of you for this new leap for content creation, my guy. I'm loving the new stuff, can't wait for the next one!
Also thank you for showing that phenomenal boss quote Ike has with Oliver in PoR, you're a true man of culture.
Lukas has been in two ghast vids in a row. Great to see my favorite character to get some representation.
my elitism so big only the sun can defeat me
Or a Bow
Hi Constance, how's the magic research going?
@@johnathanedwards9054 sometimes it's very tiresome but i won't stop until i've reached my goal. one day i will rule the world with my magic tea imperium i'm sure of it
@@constancevonnuvelle5265 I would wish you luck, but you don't need it, I have seen what your magic does in the game. RIP 32 different Fortress Knights and Paladins, you will not be missed
This video reminded me once again that echoes was absolutely amazing.
Wait I thought this video was going to be about thracia 776 players!
Or Kaga cultists in general.
Get jebaited
Kinda wished you mentioned Dorothea, a commoner with an "eat the rich" mentality who took every chance she got to shit on the nobility, especially on Ferdinand in their first couple of supports lol
But otherwise, great video!
People make fun of his hair but I think Lorenz is one of the best characters in the Golden Deer house. He might come off as a prude but he really is a great guy.
I love how there’s a storyline where he becomes the leader of Fodlan, while Claude peaces to Almyra. I thought it was odd at first, but more and more appropriate as I looked into it.
I really agree, Lorenz is one of my favorites too. It's a shame not many people seems to care about him
@@josebriceno6851 I think it's because people sleep on the guys in the golden deer house and the fact he has to compete with Ferdinand for noblest of nobles.
@@manuelcartagena8052 Yep, Ferdinand is like the youngest brother who received all the attention while Lorenz is the oldest nodoby cares
Sorry for my grammar i usually don't write a lot in english
@@josebriceno6851 To be fair, this community loves to make memes and forget that the people that they making fun of are sometimes great characters.
I really liked this! Definitely an interesting concept that you don’t see being explored on FECZcams very often.
Ferdinand and Lorenz are without a doubt my favorite elitist characters of the whole series.
I really like one conversation that Clair has with Grey, where after a lot of flirting on his part she tells him that he doesn't have the right to decide if he gets her love or not. It's a true and mature statement that shows that behind a lot of regal beliefs and concepts she still tries her best to be a good rational person. It's something I've always liked about her.
Claire is one of my favorite characters
Mine too!
(Clair x Gray is otp, Clair x Gray is otp, Clair x Gray is otp)
@@Amy_jo_ Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
You're uploading at a breakneck pace, I am thoroughly impressed. Awesome videos.
Constance is such a cool character! And while her multiple personality trait is an interesting concept i find it takes away from what makes her great
They gave her two(2) personalities and developed neither of them, lmfao.
@@RayRayRay4547 exactly! Anything one personality would do the other would undo
Out all of them I am least fond of Ferdinand.
Less so about his elitism and more so because his "pushy side" on how people should conduct themselves is mild triggering to me.
Lorenz, on the other hand is one of my favorite characters from 3H, he nags less than Ferdinand (maybe because GD is a mixed house) and his supports are more about how he views the responsabilities that his position as a noble brings and I admire that trait of his.
Echoes... Man, Echoes. I absolutely adore the Deliverance crew and how they handle that.
Specially for Clive and Clair, my favorite characters!
I absolutely love Clair and how well developed she is. Her first impression falls more on the "Innocently insensitive" side than outright snobbish and even then we can see learns from it on her next appearence as she chides Fernand for disparaging the Ram crew and even apologizing for his behavior as well as vouching for Lukas and them.
Clair is one of the most mature examples because she is more open to listen to others, take criticism and self reflect a lot.
Clive is amazing. I could dedicate praises upon praises over how good his writing is and dare I say that he's even more developed than the Main Lords from his game.
Clive is a good man, heralded as a paragon and showered in praises but he isn't perfect.
His elitism is one of the rares instances that isn't played in comedic effect and is an attribute of one of the "good guys" used to great effect to both give a character development arc to him as well as showcasing his flaws.
I like this take on these types of characters, nice video Ghast :)
I thought that "fire emblem elitist" was talking about certain players.
Edit: thanks for addressing my misconception, ghast.
Loranz and Ferdinand’s B support conversation reminds me of Elizabeth Bathory from the Fate/Grand Order. A noble having horns and a tail and all.
Something I think is interesting is how despite the frequency of its usage people generally don’t have a problem with the inclusion of nobility as a story element within Fire Emblem (and to an extent media in general). It kind of goes to show that just because something is commonly seen or “cliche” doesn’t mean it’s inherently bad or boring.
If Edelgard had her way, Ferdinand Von Aegir wouldn't be Ferdinand Von Aegir. And I can't allow that, Ferdinand Von Aegir does what Ferdinand Von Aegir does because he is Ferdinand Von Aegir.
I think you said Ferdinand's name more times than he does
No, no I'm pretty sure he's still got a LONG way to go to match up to Ferdie lmao
@@Vassilinia haha 😄
@Daz ah a Man of culture!
No Clive and Python support convo about Privilege?
A shame.
Interesting video regardless.
4:55 ...she's a little confused, but she's got the spirit. She's also a work in progress
9:00 gosh I love him SO much
In the middle of rewatching Ghast vs Echoes and I see this lol
Edit: Lukas is the absolute BEST Noble in the series
I love his voice. Greg Chun's buttery soft voice is like an eargasm.
I am rather fond of Lukas as well!
@@windmage0168 His Cheesecake recipe
Love watching your videos!
I really like how Clive grows beyond his elitism in echoes. It's a unique arc and it's really well done
I enjoyed this look into the characters who portray the elitist archetype (and honestly did not even consider you might be talking about the fan base)
I am both relieved and mildly disappointed that this wasn't about the fanbase lol. I'm so tired of the bickering an in-fighting, but I also really enjoy your insightful and considered takes on everything you address, so I genuinely wouldn't mind hearing your opinions on that whole situation.
But I also really enjoyed your exploration of the elitist archetype in all its various forms across the series. I feel like I always learn so much from your videos, so thank you for taking the time to make them!
Your content is so good recently man. It sucks that FE has such modest popularity because I could see you blowing up otherwise, but it’s very cool you stick to making content about a series you are so passionate about.
The thing is, the three recent games (Awakening, Fates, 3H) have huge popularity, hence why those videos of his tend to have a lot of views. The majority have not played the games before those, so these types of videos that feature them will have less viewership.
@@mobiusloop339 I wouldn’t say huge popularity. It’s more popular than it used to be sure, but FE is still pretty niche especially when it comes to CZcams content
@@mobiusloop339 Yet the most popular videos on this channel are about Genshin Impact.
Constance is a very fun character and one of my many favorite
What is interesting to me is that it’s largely ignored that Three houses spends quite some effort on Noblesse Oblige. We also have the creator of the modern system, Rhea, who made it a church creed, which is relevant since she had to deal with the ten elite tribes. Seems to me she was serious about imposing certain standards on them since they possessed power. The cast has Lorenz has the arch-elitist who is still good-natured, Ferdinand who has a ego but compared to Lorenz is far more down to earth and less likely to make unforced errors, and also many other students who touch on the theme.
Overall past the honeymoon period I haven’t seen much discussion about 3H trying to paint a diverse picture, since the roles of Rhea,Edelgard and Dimitri largely dominate the discussion, with nobility often ending up approached very black/white.
Sadly some things went undeveloped, like the Leicester Alliance (well the Alliance in General) being a pretty cutthroat place. The whole reason Claude was even in Fodlan in the first place was because of an assassination possibly orchestrated by Lorenz’s father.
I see no reason to hate the nobility in Three Houses, the only bad ones are Imperials and Acheron
@@daz1543 , don't forget Sylvain's parents. Lorenz's dad probably killed Raphael's parents, in addition to Claude's. Duke Goneril seems to engage in slavery, which isn't great.
@@paladinslash4721 also interesting detail: looks like he was the one who sent Jeralt to Leonie’s village.
The end result is a unseen character who engaged in depraved power politics, but seems to take day-to-day governance seriously, although quite aloof. Lorenz takes after him but is more principled. Ferdinand is less clear but he admits he hasn’t been proud of his father’s methods.
Also on the subject, how long and how often has TWSITH tried to goad nobles into power plays? There’s a pattern to actively stoke ambitions and cause civil war. Was the nobility always this cuttroath, of has centuries of the manipulation fostered this culture?
@@wouterW24 TWSITD many manipulate the Imperial Royal Family and the Six Great Noble Families and only have one or two agents in other parts of Fodlan that cause trouble, like Cornelia in the Kingdom or Solon in the Alliance. Most of what they do is working behind the scenes to cause Rhea to lose control and show her true draconian heritage.
This is awesome .
Simply
Awesome
Came for the playerbase roast, stayed for the character roast
I got clickbaited, and I couldn't be happier :D
Thinking about elitism and nobility in FE makes me think about the series’ consistent support for the principles of absolute legitimist monarchy- something it likes to hand wave away by stressing that the protagonist monarchs are good guys.
We spend so much time in FE and wider medieval fantasy settings restoring monarchies because it’s an easy plot setup. I’d really like some of these things to examine those ideas a bit more closely and not just always tell us to restore the kingdom because the lord is a great guy.
Great title grab; interesting content!
Great vid!
Virgin Commoners vs the Chad Nobles
This is a convenient video, I recently finished looking at a play throughs of Echoes to the end of the story.
Is it wrong that I want to fight more laser shooting dragons after completing Echoes story
The only reason I like this archetype is because I enjoy seeing them get knocked down several pegs. Other than, that I REALLY don't find being unaware of your own privilege charming or quaint, so this trope is not exactly my favorite.
Berkut: *says something bigoted*
Fernand: *panties drop*
Wth was that gasp?! LOL. I don't remember that from the game.
the elitist characters well are higher class folks raised in a way that they're expected to. Granted in a way its a stereotype, and a few definitely show the oujosama trope that you would find in Japanese media (I won't be surprised if Maribelle did the ohoho laugh that comes with the oujosama trope). Despite all of this I find these group of characters to be...quite fascinating, and they always seem to be on my endgame team in some shape or form.
I have been doing research all for the purpose of writing a comic set in Victorian England (which definitely featured the upper class folks) so as a result...it have affected on how I view certain character tropes in the series, and can (for the most part) appreciate them.
I've kinda had to balance my love between Lorenz and Ferdinand, I couldn't decide who was better. But I kinda fell on Lorenz more as a character. Lorenz believes in a class system, but also (in Catherine's support I think?) believes in a commoners right to overthrow a corrupt ruler. He believes in "higher standards" for nobles which includes distancing themselves but actually cares about how to actually improve the lives of subjects (such as direct spending on markets as opposed to a singular more wealthy establishment.). He refuses to date common women not because he automatically thinks they are poor and ugly but because he "needs" a certain standard for women, such as enough experience to not be overwhelmed with noble responsibility. I think FE3H just explore his nobility a bit more than Ferdinand.
Clickbait title, but still relevant to what was discussed. I liked it.
EDIT: Another thing I should have mentioned that I'm surprised you didn't - granted you did touch upon it- is the concept of noblesse oblige. This explains the positions and temperament of nobles such as Ferdinand, and is a noble's "with great power comes great responsibility."
God I love this character archetype so much. Whenever I see characters like this that are pure hearted individuals you know they’re being genuine, and it’s just so nice.
not the video i was expecting but i think i like this better anyways c:
I just got into the series a couple weeks ago. I binged 2 playthroughs of 3H. Now I have all the gba games downloaded to my phone.
That title is rather clickbaity considering how divided the playerbase is (highlighted by FEH in various ways)
But this is interesting take on the topic, likewise with that bit at the end, sometime the best warriors ill make for politicians of peacetme. I'd like to mention some of hte lines of Legendary Alm in FEH, a commoner turned king who on some level still wants to fight on the frontlines. I imagine that he never forgot his roots.
Lorenz and Lindhart are my favorite characters from 3 Houses in terms of writing.
While far from my favorite, Lorenz did a full 180 for me. I went from my first impression of thinking "Oh I'm going to hate this guy" to whenever someone talks bad about him I'm "Wait! Let me explain!"
@@ariwl1 Are you Joe Zieja's alternate account?
I uh may have thought this was about the fans at first-
Constance is best girl.
She's great and also Jojo part 6 wooo
@@Faerghast Don't tell my brother about Jojo part 6, his favorite anime is Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
We all thought this would be about the community, don’t lie
Not me, I saw the thumbnail
Unless you saw the community post from a couple days ago
@@ceruleanvoice3538 I forgot about that, but yeah that too
I like the weird elitist characters, lolike Clair and Lorenz
I genuinely love Lorenz because he has a strange attitude toward nobility. He is firmly grounded, he knows how nobles are, and his father is probably on the top of the list of how a noble realistically do. But he has is own idea of a life circle of nobility and commoners interact to improve their conditions that is admirable. Even better, differently from other nobles, he doesn't considers himself "right" but he force himself to dedication of his duty at the cost of losing people he loves. He is, IMO, the perfect chain link between the "elitist nobles" and "nobles who doesn't feel the gap"
Elites in FE always hit me in a strange way. Historically there have been good and bad nobles but one should note that nobles within our history have had to be good in general. Any bad lord would eventually get overthrown or conspired against so generally kings, Lord's, etc. had to be good. These people were also highly educated and usually taught how to fight and kill by the age of 8. Generally, when you're looking at horrible nobility it comes from them going insane from some injury or old age. Of course the current views on nobles within media is more or less due to more modern views on such things.
Honestly I wouldn't call Ferdinand or Lorenz "redeemable", that would imply there is something in need of fixing (Well, we are talking about "elitism" not Lorenz's fashion sense mind you). You may like it or hate their approach to nobility and commonfolk, but regardless I have hard time to call it actually wrong.
Maybe the real elitists were the casuals we met along the way
I may be my bias talking (huge Constance fan here) but I feel Constance is not an elitist but she still has that Noble Pride. Her manner of speech can give off elitism but she's the type of character you really have to listen to what she is saying and not how she is saying it.
Also the cool thing I liked about some of her supports is how she is learning to live life as a commoner and learning things from a commenter's perspective. The Yuri, Hapi and Mercedes supports with her touched on those things. I especially liked the Constance & Hapi A support because she practically didn't care about the commoner and noble dynamic between her and Hapi.
Also Constance > Lysinthia as a unit.
Quality content 😌
Constance would count as an elitist since she does believe in the nobility system and work herself hard to get her house worthy again of that title.If we go by her crimson flower self too were house nuvelle would loose eventually the noble privileges, she isn't opposed to the idea, since it would simply mean her descendant would need to work like she did to maintain society recognition(like how some business or political families are known in democracies: the law itself doesn't bend to give them advantages, they have to get them and maintain it themselves, otherwise they just fall(how abusable is the system is another matter))
BTW, in regards to Oliver, it's telling that, in Radiant Dawn, he actually comes across as more heroic by virtue of standing against, and getting to rebuke, his far viler FORMER peers. And also Hetzel for having neither conviction nor a functioning spine.
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Fernand just hit him with the “so true, Lord Berkut!!”
Linhardt's absolute sarcastic destruction of Ferdinand, the most obnoxious of all nobles in FE3H (and that's a feat considering Lorenz is there!!) will never cease to amaze me
“Preposterous! It is our jobs as veteran players to dictate how or why our playstyles and games are better than what the plebian new players play”
- The oh so noble playerbase
haha, lvl 20 promoting go brr
I want more fallen noble people like constance in the future
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Oliver once again proving why he's the best and most beautiful Fire Emblem character ever.