Oakland County prosecutor, victims families react to guilty verdict of James Crumbley
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- čas přidán 13. 03. 2024
- Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald held a press conference alongside the families of the victims following the guilty verdict of James Crumbley.
The school is 100% responsible also
No way. It's not. It sits squarely on the shoulders of the parents of these perpetrators.
Yes they are! They failed to give the parents all the information they had just as the parents failed to give all the information they had! Had they all worked together these children would still be alive today!
The blood of those children is on all those hands!
Not 100% but they are also to blame. Lots of red flags were missed by the parents and school staff. They are hiding and pushing the blame on the parents, but they knew a lot more than what came out in the trials.
@@robertdorris5393 America is a CESSPOOL. A third rate cesspool. The shootings will persist. You are all nuts, you are all stupid and you are all armed.
I agree
YES! Parent your kids adults! Or don’t have children!
Exactly just because you can have children doesn't mean you should
@joestocking Answer me this: Why is America the ONLY COUNTRY ON EARTH WITH THIS PROBLEM? Crickets right? Jail Everyone but DO NOTHING. The lack of Critical Thinking in the cesspool America has become is astounding.
@@emma-8292 This. When people want to adopt, they go through this whole process of background check, paperwork, etc. Biological parents should also have to before they get a license to procreate.
Be like the mom and Dad. Spend more time on horses and boyfriends on the side. LOL
Justice was served. Those four deserve to still be here.
So very well spoken. A heartbreaking loss, and I can not for one moment imagine the courage required of these parents to not only stand before us, but to just get out of bed and face each day. As a fellow parent, I send you my support, my love, and prayers of peace.
I do believe it’s sadly deserved. Sadly, because none of this needed to happen. You ARE responsible for your children until they’re adults… they ignored very clear signs their child needed help. Ethan knew better, and did it anyway… his parents could have and should have prevented this.
I am very relieved for the families. Parents are responsible for their children at least until they are 18. If you must have a weapon in your home with children living there, Lock Up Your Damn Guns. And if you have a child in crisis get them help & make positive that they can't get to your weapons even if you have to keep it with you all day. If you must have guns and children it is your responsibility to keep your kids AND other people's kids safe.
There was absolutely no proof that the gun was NOT locked up. It was he said she said. Crap evidence.
About time mental health and gun safety will become a priority
Mental Health is the issue and guns can be gotten off the streets daily!!!
Oh there it is Daddy wants the school to be held accountable…..$$$$$$Why doesn’t he just ask for metal detectors to be put in schools?Thats the key
Momma said it too why don’t they just say we are gonna sue for money…If my child was dead due to a school shooting I wouldn’t give a damn about sueing the school…..
The school definitely needs to be held accountable. Many of the employees failed these students and Ethan. It sounded as if COLLEGE was the priority, and the counselor said he was there to talk to the students about academics? Obviously not mental health
I have absolutely no idea why people talk about the 2nd amendment like it's a lesser right. According to our constitutional standard it is AS BASIC of a right as not allowing slavery, having freedom of religion and suffrage. Yet people act like bc they don't like it, somehow that doesn't matter.
It's about time parents are responsible for their guns and their underage kids.
I guess then we need to arrest the parents of all the drug head teenagers!😱😱
@@wallychambe1587if they provide them with drugs, absolutely! In this case the Crumbleys not only didn’t lock their guns away with a 15 year old, mentally disturbed child in their home, but they refused to get him help, so……
Michigan is tough on gun laws
The school needs to be held accountable as well. They DID NOT SEARCH HIS BOOK BAG when they let him go into the school...after having a discussion with the parents about their son's murderous ideations. What a tragic misstep! The administrators who were responsible for that must be charged. Please don't let them off the hook! They are the first defense for the students they house five days a week.
They should be held accountable...they should have asked more questions..Ethan should have been suspended until there was documentation that he was getting help, and removed depending on what a Dr. found after treatment...
WE GO THROUGH SECURITY TO GET INTO A COURTHOUSE AND AIRPLANES...WHY NOT SCHOOLS???!!!!
Thank you to these jurors for making the right decision. I hope this makes parents think about their choices so that I don't have to think about buying a 4 year old shoes that don't light up so that he isn't visible to an active shooter in kindergarten (which I had to do just last week) and so that I don't have to buy a middle schooler a bulletproof backpack (which I had to do in September).
Thank you, Karen McDonald and team! Amazing work and a just, necessary precedent
Prayers to the victims
But, i think the teen should have gotten mental health.
Hopefully he’s getting help now 🙏
Prayers to the families who lost loved one’s end gun violence now
As well as the problem with easily accessories guns in the home..there are numerous other factors that are encouraging our teens to shoot up schools and kill their classmates. No God in the home, divorce, real life killing videos, both parents working out of the home, social media. A plethora of reasons why our kids are falling apart. I wonder why these killers are usually white males.
Setting precedent is always difficult. Well done!
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Congratulations Oakland!
I pray for these families. I can't imagine loosing my child like this. I lost my my husband and it is unimaginable pain. God bless you all!!!
Beautiful children gone too soon😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
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He should ask to be in the same prison as Ethan and FINALLY be there for his son.
The shooter is better off without him. The father was making threatening calls from the jail, so he is in no shape to be a role model.
I truly pray these verdicts will give these parents peace. I know it probably won’t, but I really hope this helps. IMO this is a verdict that should’ve been reached a long time ago when it comes to these mass shootings. There have been so many other perpetrators with clear warning signs just like the Oxford shooter. This has to change
You never hear follow ups on other shootings, like where did the Uvalde shooter get the money to buy $6,000 worth of guns & ammo??🤬🤬
I’m very very impressed with this prosecutor
This is great, now they can apply this precedent to parents of children that commit crimes in violent cities! Finally we can get some accountability!
lol, they don’t have parents or the parents are already in jail. Cmon now.
Karen seems drained. Please take the time out for self-care. What an amazing team. ❤
Justice! Irresponsible gun owners like the ones posing with young children and guns, and those who do not respect weapons of death you have officially been put on notice!
Michigander (Yooper) here. Keep seeing people complaining in chats about this trial saying that McDonald was only trying to prosecute this case because she wants to run for governor. Just wondering if people have verified that she is looking to run for governor in 2026 because hers is not one of the names I've heard. I assume that people who are saying this were looking for a not guilty verdict.
Michigander (troll) here.. I saw a lot of nonsense earlier in live streams- I was in shock. Must be a lot of negligent, bad parents out there, sadly. People are acting so strange- this isn’t a “divisive” issue.. pretty cut and dry.
@@Shawnne86 I agree. I just wonder if the people complaining about her reasons are even from Michigan or just trying to stir things up. Trolls don't normally call themselves trolls do they? 🙃
I’m from Michigan and Karen just did this for her 15 minutes of fame and to further her political career
I voted for her and I’m glad I did. This sets a landmark precedent that can be applied elsewhere
@@tammyirwin703 You're ridiculous.
🙏🏻For these families and the children still traumatized from that awful school day🙏🏻🕊️❤️
...and they just set the precident with the help of the perfect parents on the jury, so your kid does a crime, now YOU GO TO JAIL! good going GULLABLES
Thank you Steve!!! We are with you. ❤
The parents have a liability.
The SCHOOL and the STAFF have a liability ALSO...
They are Trained on how to manage kids safety. And FAILED!
ALICE training is mostly done by following prerecorded instructions and taking an easy quiz right afterward. Asking school staff to deal with a problem that no one else in this society has been able to effectively reduce is too big of an ask.
@@merricc6911 I'm not asking them to be Navy Seals and get in a gunfight. I'm asking them to use their skills and training to "Manage" the situation, as in NOT letting him go back to class, calling CPS if the parents won't listen to their advice, keeping him isolated when he's having a mental breakdown, and getting him help. No one mentioned ALICE.
Finally a step closer to ending these severe violent tragedies ! these parents were out to lunch buying their son a gun! Guns should only be used by police officers and soldiers that's it! so so sorry for all these families that lost their child.
Soft on crime policy, wreckless immigrants require law abiding citizens to have a gun so IT Is NOT JUST FOR SOLDiers AND POLICE. REMOVE soft ON CRIME POLICY. REMOVE LEGALIZED CANBABIS.
You are living in a clown world, many tragedies have been averted by responsible gun owners! Last year a pregnant mother save her family by going upstairs and getting her husband's AR-15 and was ready when 3 armed intruders broke through the door!😍 Of course the biased media doesn't hardly cover stories like that! I do agree that J Crumbly shouldn't have bought his son a gun knowing his mental state!😱Makes me wonder about the fathers mental state also!!😱😱
Every American deserves their 2nd amendment rights. Wake up from your IGNORANT BLISS
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Oh B.S.
You gun worshippers are sick.
@@wallychambe1587 omg please go redact that please
This is sick. Parenthood is difficult and these parents were grieving multiple, successive losses. Their kid was a psychopath and intentionally planned all of this and admitted to tricking them to trust him in the video, whilst filling the journal
He conveniently left in his backpack for police full of pleas for help. He lied to his parents to get the gun. These parents were only becoming aware there was a problem as well as the trained professionals at the school were, THAT DAY. Ethan knew that and moved forward with his plan. Some kids are diabolical. It doesn’t keep anyone safer with these parents in prison. Sure, this works, to terrify parents all over to pay attention to their kids, just like the revenge Ethan wanted. Now every school shooter will be sure and bring down all the adults around them.
A lot of people are dealing with multiple successive losses, especially now. They literally saw the picture that he drew of the gun, of a person bleeding with the words help me on it and they just walked out of there without him and went about their day? They didn’t even talk to him or check for the gun? The mom showed it to like five different people saying, look he’s messed up he can’t be alone. they knew.
He couldn’t have done what he did without the firearm and they literally gave it to him, trained him and left it on secured for easy access.
The father purchased the gun for his son. In Michigan, all firearm owners are fully responsible for their weapons
@@KRistyrose978 They paid attention and were processing what to do. The adults were just figuring out there was a problem. Are we going to put the guy who didn’t check the backpack in prison, as well? He’s non-violent and has spent countless hours of his life serving students and the community. “He didn’t foresee it.” So prison? I can guarantee the parents and school staff who made some mistakes will suffer with guilt the rest of their lives. In my opinion they are all victims in this. The parents are guilty of negligence with a few things and bad judgment, not involuntary manslaughter. Yes, failing to secure a firearm. It never occurred to them until it was too late E would actually hurt others. Not foreseeable. Even the vice principal couldn’t believe E would do this bc she knew he was a good kid and this was the very first time the parents were called to the school. So, parents, wake up your kid may be an evil psycho, convincing you he’s a good kid. In my opinion the worst thing they did was let him spend countless hours playing shooting games. Why doesn’t this ever get addressed. We are so blind. When I grew up we had pong and frogger. We also didn’t have many or few school shootings. We are letting this violent content brainwash everyone. Ethan’s cat was named Dexter! Wake up. So sickening. People have already copycatted Dexter. I don’t know how those people live with themselves. Literally putting all these sick ideas in peoples heads.
Buckle up America. This is not going to stop. There is only one way to radically change this. You know what that is but you're not willing to talk about it
With the pain endured with the loss of their children so much Humility for humanity and still pushing forward thinking about other students and their safety going forward. May God continue to Bless and keep you ❣
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Right to kill or right to live? Safety does not come from arming civilians.
Yesssss
The dad of a child killed at Sandy Hook said something I'll never forget. He said, "My son's First Amendment right to LIFE came FIRST over the shooter's Second Amendment right to bear arms."
@@truecolors5669 thank you! It’s SICKENING how profits for some cost lives to so many! In the “best most powerful” country in the world. We all look mad to the rest of the world for sure!
The school needs to be held accountable. Everybody failed this kid. Prayers to the families who lost loved one’s
Parents, when your child reaches out to you asking for help don't pacify them with a gun.
All you parents needs to get together now and go after the school and hold them accountable
When is the school going to take some responsibility for this tragedy the councilor could have made them take him home
The counselor could not make them take him home.
I'm not sure the school will be found liable. Hindsight is 20 20 vision
@@amystahl-sn7gj yes he could’ve the student said he need help that is a plead for someone to do something even if the parents would have took him home he’d have done it another day
The school counselor could not force them to take him home.
@@lisatbelk Who can? the principal?? Lets arrest him too and put him in jail!😱😱
Not going to stop bullied kids from losing it and doing this.
I stand with these parents! They need support to get things changed with the school administration! They need protocols and it goes back to you see something say something! Call 911 and CPS that would have saved these kids lives 😭
Then hold the school responsible then and put them on trial
Supposedly the school system has immunity. We shall see
well said everyone especially the Dad in the green t-shirt for going at the 'country club school'.
the 'counsellor' and 'dean' should be worried about what's coming their way.
both are culpable in this tragic event and need to be held accountable
Sickenly loss.
Now he gets his phone back, Let the jailhouse threats begin!
When people want to adopt, they go through this whole process of background checks, paperwork, etc. Biological parents should also have to before they get a license to procreate. Enough of psycho creating more psychos.
She really isn't a good speaker here or in the courtroom
THANK YOU PROCECUTER!
This is very much deserved. Nothing will make this any easier but justice has been served. Somethings wrong though, people keep blaming guns. But i dont think a gun has ever shot anybody on its own. We blame the school system, but why dont we start blaming the government for not placing more help for our schools. We all pay a lot of money in taxes that supposedly goes to our schools and what not, but does it? They want to take the easy route and try to take guns away rather than trying to fix the real problem of a mental health crisis. Until Mental Health is recognized as a serious problem and there are significant steps taken to fix it, this insanity is going to keep happening. Politicians and the Government in general are still trying to blame guns after all these year and repeating the same things over and over after these tragedies. That is the definition of insanity and nothing ever gets resolved and the cycle starts over.
WHEN IS SENTENCING?
April 9th
I'm pretty sure that both parents will get the maximum sentence allowed under Michigan law. Michigan is tough on gun laws
When will these prosecutors go after the school administrators that viewed Ethan’s paper that was written during class time? The school has some responsibility here. They found out in class he was a danger and they released him back to class! Protocols need to be changed here. All the school had to do in this case was tell the parents Ethan would not be allowed back to class until he was professionally evaluated. But instead, they left it up to the parents and allowed him back to class. The school didn’t search his locker, backpack or his body. If I were these parents of the victims, I would want everyone prosecuted that could have prevented their children’s deaths!
Supposedly the school system has immunity. But time will tell
@@gregorylyon1004A Virginia school system is being sued after an elementary child brought a gun to school and the child shot his teacher. The school knew the child was dangerous but failed to take the repeated threats seriously. The teacher who was shot is the one sueing the school system.
The “school” (principal, guidance counselor, those above the teacher) disregarded the teacher’s reports that the child was dangerous.
Tates Dad !!! Speaking Truth …Nailed it !!
May God continue to give you strength. 🙏🏻
You will NEVER end gun violence
We can at least maybe try.
People like you are the reason it continues
Maybe we can prevent future parents from purchasing handguns for teens
I knew it. This was a political prosecution. It’s about the 2nd amendment.
Get rid of guns in oakland?
This was a Michigan prosecution. We have tough gun laws here
I loved the message of the parent in the green shirt.
They got ‘em’ ❤
GOD Bless The families!!
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Right call jury 👍
SYMPATHY and POLITICAL AGENDA !!! Who really believed that these people could’ve gotten a fair trial in this county from day one it’s been all over the news!!! And Ethan Crumley needs to have some mental health help,not sitting in jail, straight out of the prosecutors mouth
They are not guilty of manslaughter and if you guys feel that they are guilty then the other school shootings case better reopen and charge the parents for them too i am not saying they arent guilty of something but manslaughter thats just crazy if you guys are going to charge the parents them the school need to be responsible to and they should be on trial next
This was SYMPATHY Not JUSTICE!!! VENGEANCE Is Not HEALING!!!! Now SHOW ME The MORE MONEY !!!!!!!!
Oh I like her.
Sue the school parents. Sue these school officials
Supposedly the school system has immunity from prosecution. We shall see
Like I said it and I say it again everybody will disagree with me I'm sure cuz when I just started scrolling down the Paige everybody that I'm looking at says he got what he deserved blah blah blah I can say that I don't think that a parent should be charged for something that the child did at 15 years old he's a young man not like he's 10 years old he could have got that gun from anywhere and it just so happened it was from his parents house they probably never thought in a million years or some would do that the way that I feel if I was on that jury I would have give him a not guilty I'm not saying he's not guilty of some things and could have done things a little bit differently but we all fall short of the glory of God so everybody that's up here judging him we all have fell short glory of God how many people going to sit here and say that
Have you ever heard of the punctuation called a “period”?
He was charged with murder and the parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter - two different charges for two different crimes.
But he didn't get the gun from just 'anywhere', his parents bought him the gun. To me, that is why they are guilty on the most basic level.
Sad as your part of the problem and afraid to be bold shame
They should get the high end of the sentence, the victims family have a lifetime sentence.
This is Michigan. Those parents will probably get the maximum sentence allowed under Michigan law. We have tough gun laws
Insane for Michigan to have a 15 year max for _involuntary_ manslaughter! Arizona's maximum for that is 3 years & California's is 2-and-a-half. The Federal max is only 6 years!
For all we know, the child is a psychopath or sociopath. For all we know, he knows how to manipulate & lie extremely well. For all we know, he wrote things in his journal knowing it'd be found after he carried out his plan & he wanted to craft a narrative. We don't know that he wrote in the journal honestly.
Every parent in the school district put gvns in their kids hands when they went hunting every Wednesday morning. The school even started late on Wednesdays to accommodate them!!!
Are all 3 in the same jail together. Nice family reunion. I hope all 3 get mental help. Prayers to the families who lost loved one’s.
The teenager has to be in prison by now. He has already been sentenced
I don’t think your facts are accurate lady.
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How can you prosecute a sain minor as an adult, then say he was mentally ill to prosecute parents. Which one is it? Is he sain or mentally ill
The School acted in a gross negligent manner. School counselors, academic leaders staff.. are usually cooped up in the office eating cookies and they act bothered when students or parents go into the office to inquire about different matters. You dont see the Principal for months unless you get in trouble and are taken to her/his office. What about getting up from your chair "Principal" make your presence known, visit the classrooms weekly to make yourself available to students? I'd love to see phone forensics and discover how many of these school officials were carrying
on personal activities ( which should be conducted outside the workplace) - at the time of the shooting.. Such as accessing their social media, shopping online, or engaging in conversation with partners or family members while a tragedy was unfolding in the school hallways. Those students were neglected and the shooter knew these school representatives were unsuitable to protect them and most deff not prepared to stop him.
The school failed in several areas. Everyone blamed the other . Emails .. put offs ..
These families are so strong and continue to fight. Mr Myer is admirable, he knows its bigger than just what the shooter did. He can see its about gun safety, mental heath and safety in schools. Everyone failed the victims and also EC.
2. of the parents are GUN OWNERS 2 of the parents are not GUN OWNERS! Suing the school will bing nothing but money. I feel sorry for the non-gun owners.
It's all about the Benjamin's 💰💰💰
I agree with the verdict but the school made mistakes also. After the parents refused to take him out of school that day, they just sent him back to class. Huh? I didn’t know parents wielded that much power.
where is our governor thru all this? This is a huge precedence for the state of MI. You'd think she'd have a comment about it. probably on vacation somewhere. smh
Whitmer is probably helping Biden on his campaign so he doesn't fall off the podium while speaking
VENGEANCE IS NOT JUSTICE!!! NOR IS SYMPATHY!!!
Gun manufacturing has to be the target.
I stand with the family’s something needs to be done period
Those parents will probably get the maximum sentence allowed under Michigan law. We have tough gun laws here
This should be a lesson for mental health and holding people accountable for making stupid careless decisions with a child who was desperately in need of help. Neglect and extremely selfish! She sounds like a politician.
Those convicted parents even have an " annoying last name". Lol everything about them is annoying lol
I understand their need for accountability but I believe that instead of going after the school they should go after the government for not doing something about the gun violence in this country since Sandy Hook. Our government is mostly guilty of all the massacres since then. They have done NOTHING to stop the slaughter of children.
It is a parent issue
we need to stop glorifying the second amendment over the lives of human beings
Most households don't even need a gun
Can the Crumbley parents appeal the guilty verdict?
Yes
Sure!!😁😁
Yes they can, while serving their sentences. First conviction of its kind. Airtight prosecution. They will not succeed.
Congratulations to Oakland Co. DA for paving a new road to justice for all the thousands of victims, hundreds of dead children, who’ve died in this land of legislators who fail the People, victimize our kids who are suffering and predate all the hundreds of families who’ve lost everything.
Absolutely Yes. And they will file appeals
Karen McDonald and team for presidency!
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I was always taught that once a kid gets to school they are then responsible for the child at hand.So I guess the law suits will roll now….for those 4 kids that died….
How bullied was Ethan Crumbly by the kids in this school?
In the interrogation right after the incident the mom said he wasn't. Not sure if she was telling the truth.
There’s never been any indication that “the shooter” was ever bullied
Why should that matter? I was bullied relentlessly throughout middle school and somehow I managed not to kill anyone in response because I’m not a psychopath and I knew my parents loved me.
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@@CubanSoljahsMom no it wasn’t. But I’m sure he was looked at funny by others for being weird looking
Smfh
Most laywers, jugdes, justice service, councilors, pice, jails ect. Crime is a money market want crime to be high cuz it gives rhem more work & money
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I think I need to look at the facts and stats on the claim that gun violence is the #1 cause of death for children in this country. I’m not well versed, but it sounds wrong.
It is accurate - as of just a few years ago. Look it up.
Look it up. It’s true!
It is not difficult to source for yourself. Look it up before trying to contradict it.
Not true!, made up!!😲😲
I thought that suicide was number 1
But yet, here you are taking a victory lap Karen
Really? If so, that was the most restrained victory lap the world has ever seen.
@@crazygreenlady7907 she didn’t have to do a press conference last night and she stood up there while talking smiling and half laughing, so yeah, she got her 15 minutes of fame🤷🏻♀️
I dont feel this laywer is sereous about preventing school mass shootings-most mass shooters deppressed cuz of capatalsim almost all of them talk about it
I can smell the weed from this comment.
Shame on you
@@daerdfotuoerew4394love it right good comment
Peace comes through forgiveness not vengeance Parent of America you were on trial & we all Lost "you'll see orphanages will fill up b/c parents won't take blame For kids mistakes Oakland country jury let us all down-
Lol
@@KRistyrose978 truth hurts sometimes but this was a set up to control children and strip away parents right (wake up a crazy new world approaches )
Justice is getting the killer at hand not the parents.Karen McDonald makes it sound like a video game and it is sickening to America 🇺🇸
The parents were negligent. You feel how you feel- after watching the trials- hearing many awful details- there’s a reason they were charged. They do not get to claim ignorance.
The shooter was charged with murder, the parents with involuntary manslaughter- different charges for different crimes
It all starts with letting the kids play with the phone while at the store to "SHUT THEM UP"!😱😱😱
ALCOHOLIC PARENTS. WHY NOT TALK ABOUT THAT?
YESSSS! Substance Abuse in general. So freaking sad!
they both have a lot of substance abuse/addict traits-selfish, oblivious, unable to meet to anyone’s needs even their own child , other their own, irresponsible , Not even to mention the fact that they were leaving this kid home alone at six years old to go to the bars, leaving him scared and running to neighbors. Sad that nobody could’ve intervened before this had to happen, before now.
He was guilty before he went to trial
ALL PARENTS ARE NOW GOING TO BE PROSECUTED FOR THERE KIDS ACTIONS.
I'm surprised that neither parent took a plea bargain to avoid a jury trial. But maybe they were not offered a plea deal??
Parents better teach your kids or YOU WILL BE NEXT AND THE SCHOOL SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
SHE SHOULD BE DISBARRED FOR WRONGFUL PROSECUTION JUST ANOTHER DEMOCRAT PUSHING FOR GUN CONTROL.
SHE BETTER GO AFTER THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION.
Peace and comfort for the families that have suffered horrendously for years over this senseless and. preventable tragedy.
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Wootwoot Karen!!🐐
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