Hi guys! Really enjoyed your video. Very informative. I considered the Cub and Just aircraft last year before buying a third (but comparable) aircraft. Wish there were more reviews like this online. May do one of my own one day Thanks again!
If you have the money reality is most people don't have 100k sitting around even for the lowest price kit planes. Certified planes can get for 20-30k but spend that in annual cost maintaining it. If I was single or made 200k plus I could manage it but reality is spending 100k on a kit plane wife never go for that. Almost 50 years old any money I have saved needs to go to retirement now or won't have enough. I missed opportunity to get my PPL in my 20's early 1990's health was perfect, and training was lot less costly wasn't married let me have freedoms don't have now. Anyone reading this in their 20's want to get their PPL don't wait like I did. I made mistake after a few rides with a CFI he said wait till I was 40's and do it that was stupid idea because now I have few health issues although I could probably get a SI from the FAA on them do I want to hassle with 9 month wait times every 2 years. There are so many advantages when your young you can build time go to work as a glider tow pilot. That experience allows you to jump in many of these kit planes where new pilot really needs to build hours in a certified plane get instruction. Insurance cost go down with higher hour pilots so all around much better to get your PPL younger don't wait now I'm stuck.
would be interested in comparing take-off distances with flaps on both planes. i feel like the giant fowler flaps could be a major factor on the Just Aircraft's STOL abilities.
Try the engine in the carbon cub costs more than the airframe, and it has 180HP for take off only. And costs one heck of a lot more. And Andrew which airplane do you fly?
This is the kind of video for the future builders like me, I'm thinkng on those both planes as a candidates. You make a great comparison, verry usefull. It seems that you have more time in the CC. How is the forward visibility on both planes? Thanks for the video
The Carbon Cub has a 180 HP engine; the SuperStol (as tested) has a 115 HP engine. There is no way to compare the two - even at altitude, where the turbo has some advantage. Test them against each other with the new Viking Honda turbo engine, about 200 HP. That's a fairer comparison.
He seemed to be landing the SS like he lands the CC. (Not that he didn't say he was better at the CC than the SS). With the SS, the normal way to land is to idle, then pull back, and descend into the ground at 500 to 1000 fpm. But maybe you can't do that at 6000 ft. The take off rolls were believable. (Disclaimer: soled a few times in C172 and C152 and quit, so more or less a desk warrior).
It was our 1st literal amateur try.. Thank You.. "Awesome?" Well.. Hmm... So much room for improvement.. Known.. It was publish it shakey, or not at all..
Great video! I'm trying to choose between the two airplanes to purchase. I'm leaning toward the SuperSTOL with the Titan engine with 185 hp. Thoughts??
You need a camera with image stabilization, thanks for the headache. .....................................I do appreciate the video and left a thumbs up :-)
Price wise carbon cub is more expensive and can't fold the wings to store in a trailer your going to need a hanger for the carbon cub. Looks like the JA superstol has better suspension come in harder won't bounce with those massive shocks. The cub bounced a few times can't use the brakes to slow it down while bouncing.
I like the SuperSTOL looks ! I never understood why the Cubcrafters have such large engines : 340 cubic inches instead of 74 for a 914 UL rotax (= 115 HP) 340 cu should give 300 HP easily, but it's just 180. It is the only unlogical thing about the Carbon Cub. About the vid : 1 more please ! 2 shaky but it won't happen again 3 wear a micro because I can't understand you here in Belgium.
+DirkDucat The difference in engine horsepower is easy to explain: Rotax is high RPM engine with Reduction gear, and all its drawbacks. The Cub has a direct drive air cooled engine, super simple, super reliable, super easy to maintain. And it sounds better!
+BetterAircraftFabric Yep, low cubature Rotax with its high rpms isn't best solution, but also Lycs, Conts, ULPowers, ... and others direct props aren't good - Rtx 912 at its max 5700 rpms turns under 2000 rpms on prop, but directs turns props as crank = higher prop tip speed = lower efectivity, high noise. Directs must have smaler, prop, or turn low rpms under best power/torque. Some compromise would be best - actually maybe diesels? About tests - some CZcams vids shows much shorter toffs with SuperStol, but they lift tail, before go run. Also some not real STOL planes show good performance, without slats and turbulators - look Aeroprakt 22 short takeoff :-)
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
I like your planes but I am a farmer and I noticed that in the sky above you and your videos if there's gon geoengineering streaks these tricks are for solar radiation management and they use aluminum other things in there check out the website of Dane wigington has on geoengineering watch to understand what I'm talking about I've been seeing this and videos and letting people know because they overlooked this issue I'm a farmer that's has luminin me and my crops have been severely hurt I did not believe this as being a pilot I referred to this as Vapor Trails but as I seen these Vapor Trails dissipate in a total sky and farming a cloud I realized it was much more as I looked in and investigated in this I realize that we have a serious problem please take note of this and and do the due diligence to check this out because your health and our future families are very much hurt and impacted by this unfortunate situation by a few certain wealthy people that want to control the world and the weather this is definitely a fact that we can't ignore thank you for your time
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
The J3 I flew today weighed quiet a bit less than 800 lbs. I'm not sure what peoples definition of a real airplane but to me it's anything that carries a person through the air
So were the Wright Flyers and the Blériot monoplanes also toys, in your estimation? They probably weighed less, and certainly had less power than the SS.
Why is this film wasting my time. Volume to low going up and down camera man shakes like a alcoholic get a tripod or stick . if you are going to make a film have a mental plan like flying a airplane know something about what you are doing.
You MR. X are wasting your own time.. Hope you feel good now.. You need not watch.. Are you so ignorant not to know CZcams is a "for anyone" amateur forum? Not expected to be a paid for professional venue? People begin somewhere.. Oh, you were born knowing everything.! Obviously a very selfish self absorbed person..
@@MrCocg1 I didn't say there was any thing bad about the presentation my complaint was the audio and the shaky video. If you can't take constructive criticism I guess there is no help for you. ( GROUND HOG DAY )
You are welcome for the last word for I am sure you will not shut up.. Just look at your aggressive multiple reply posts.. Wasting your time? Apparently I am worth it for you need to reply. Name calling, childish for you are needing to write anything.. Put others down to make yourself big... Go do something better for yourself.. Get out of your moms basement.. Constructive criticism? Where? From you? Reply away... I will no longer.. Waste my time with little people who do not know how to communicate.. ? Not I..
Awesome video, Thanks for taking the time to make it! I've been considering both aircraft and appreciate the objective input.
It never ceases to amaze me.how you guys can fly like that , I love to watch it .
Thank you for stopping by.! I just did a real amateur job for the pilot.!
The Carbon Cub is "smiling" from the front, a happy fellow. Like it a lot. Nice review.
great video! i enjoyed the comparison, safe flying,
all the best from downunder
Hi guys!
Really enjoyed your video. Very informative. I considered the Cub and Just aircraft last year before buying a third (but comparable) aircraft.
Wish there were more reviews like this online. May do one of my own one day
Thanks again!
Totally enjoyed it. Thanks for making the video.!
That was so awesome. Screw the complainers. If they dont like it, they can come up and video it!! Thanks for sharing two fantastic aircraft for us!!
Thats cool. Ive actually been in that exact carbon cub
You guys are so lucky! America must be dream for pilots
It is.
If you have the money reality is most people don't have 100k sitting around even for the lowest price kit planes. Certified planes can get for 20-30k but spend that in annual cost maintaining it. If I was single or made 200k plus I could manage it but reality is spending 100k on a kit plane wife never go for that. Almost 50 years old any money I have saved needs to go to retirement now or won't have enough. I missed opportunity to get my PPL in my 20's early 1990's health was perfect, and training was lot less costly wasn't married let me have freedoms don't have now. Anyone reading this in their 20's want to get their PPL don't wait like I did. I made mistake after a few rides with a CFI he said wait till I was 40's and do it that was stupid idea because now I have few health issues although I could probably get a SI from the FAA on them do I want to hassle with 9 month wait times every 2 years. There are so many advantages when your young you can build time go to work as a glider tow pilot. That experience allows you to jump in many of these kit planes where new pilot really needs to build hours in a certified plane get instruction. Insurance cost go down with higher hour pilots so all around much better to get your PPL younger don't wait now I'm stuck.
@@Mike-01234 part 103
That video offered something you don't see: 6000 ft, direct comparison, someone who owned both planes. Thanks.
EXACTLY !
Nice job Blu!
Thanks guys. Do let us have a follow-up when you've flown the a/c for a few hubdred hours. A durability report would also be useful.
Thanks for the comparison. This was a very informative video. Overall, I think Cub Crafter's took it, but not by much.
I would take the Just plus spend some serious time on flying true STOL approaches and departures. thanks for great
video.
Thank you! Please may we have a tour of the insides of both planes!
I am just the posting entity.. Shot it but not the owner.. Wish I could help you more.. ! Truly..!! Thank You..
What I want to see is a CC with 180hp vs a SuperSTOL XL with 180hp
apples to apples
Great vid. Thanks !
sugershakify was
...and they each with 600 lbs in them
would be interested in comparing take-off distances with flaps on both planes.
i feel like the giant fowler flaps could be a major factor on the Just Aircraft's STOL abilities.
The Rotax 914 turbo is just sick!
He said it was heavier I would bet at higher altitude it helps more than the weight hurts.
Try the engine in the carbon cub costs more than the airframe, and it has 180HP for take off only. And costs one heck of a lot more. And Andrew which airplane do you fly?
At 7:27 → "Somebody's having too much fun." *TRUE! LOL!!!*
Will see if we can get them together again.. !
This is the kind of video for the future builders like me, I'm thinkng on those both planes as a candidates. You make a great comparison, verry usefull. It seems that you have more time in the CC. How is the forward visibility on both planes?
Thanks for the video
I'll take the J.A. over the cub. Newer design, fancy wing tech, several engine options, cool landing gear, looks bad ass.
I got a Durafly Tundra and the Timber from Eflite, I like the Tundra better, lol. Both fly well inverted, and do cuban 8s all day, lol.
On the superstol when you take off and you start to roll tap your brakes to get the tail up quicker and your takeoff will be a lot quicker
The Carbon Cub has a 180 HP engine; the SuperStol (as tested) has a 115 HP engine. There is no way to compare the two - even at altitude, where the turbo has some advantage. Test them against each other with the new Viking Honda turbo engine, about 200 HP. That's a fairer comparison.
I cld afford to build one of these...the other wld be something I'd dream of building..
Would love to get together with you guys. I'm a new pilot in the GJT area. I recognize the plane and background.
He seemed to be landing the SS like he lands the CC. (Not that he didn't say he was better at the CC than the SS). With the SS, the normal way to land is to idle, then pull back, and descend into the ground at 500 to 1000 fpm. But maybe you can't do that at 6000 ft. The take off rolls were believable.
(Disclaimer: soled a few times in C172 and C152 and quit, so more or less a desk warrior).
It was our 1st literal amateur try.. Thank You.. "Awesome?" Well.. Hmm... So much room for improvement.. Known.. It was publish it shakey, or not at all..
Thank you very much for sharing...i dont have enough money for a Carbon Cub, and probably build a SS
Great video! I'm trying to choose between the two airplanes to purchase. I'm leaning toward the SuperSTOL with the Titan engine with 185 hp. Thoughts??
What did you buy?...Im looking to build a SS Im pretty sure
imma need a bigger flyswatter, big mosqutoes there.
Where in Colorado?
Thank You..!! For is was very "amateurishly" done..!
Did you build both or just the SuperSTOL? And how many hours? Awesome planes!!
The owner built the SS... Would need to get in touch with him again to answer how long.. Sorry, Just the shakey cameraman.!
Oh okay cool. Thank you. Great video, not shaky!
You are lucky. I borne in Pakistan and it is now almost impossible for me to become a pilot
Baddd assssss
You need a camera with image stabilization, thanks for the headache. .....................................I do appreciate the video and left a thumbs up :-)
D-motor rulez
5 gallons per hour?
Price wise carbon cub is more expensive and can't fold the wings to store in a trailer your going to need a hanger for the carbon cub. Looks like the JA superstol has better suspension come in harder won't bounce with those massive shocks. The cub bounced a few times can't use the brakes to slow it down while bouncing.
That sure is a huge selling feature being able to fold the wings
@@kenkitzmann9307 The CC probably has higher useful weight
That looks a lot like Mount Garfield, the Mesa, and the Monument. Were you in the Grand Valley?
And of course it says so at the end of the video
Yep..!!
Just Aircraft Super Stol VS Cub Crafters SS Carbon VS Zlin Savage Shock Cub
Super stol duel already
José Manuel Mougán Sobredo Haha that would be epic. Zlin Savage Shock Cub with the Rotax 915 iS. 👌🏼
Thank You from... .....Up Top?
this would get real old real fast.
Western Slope.. Grand Junction.. !!
SW Idaho.
Could you get me contact info for the pilot? Perspective buyer and would like a demo ride. I'm in Denver and travel to GJT for work.
Have not seen him in a while... And don't think it would be appropriate without asking.. He is a private guy with both planes and not a dealer...
I like the SuperSTOL looks ! I never understood why the Cubcrafters have such large engines : 340 cubic inches instead of 74 for a 914 UL rotax (= 115 HP) 340 cu should give 300 HP easily, but it's just 180. It is the only unlogical thing about the Carbon Cub. About the vid : 1 more please ! 2 shaky but it won't happen again 3 wear a micro because I can't understand you here in Belgium.
+DirkDucat The difference in engine horsepower is easy to explain: Rotax is high RPM engine with Reduction gear, and all its drawbacks. The Cub has a direct drive air cooled engine, super simple, super reliable, super easy to maintain. And it sounds better!
+BetterAircraftFabric Yep, low cubature Rotax with its high rpms isn't best solution, but also Lycs, Conts, ULPowers, ... and others direct props aren't good - Rtx 912 at its max 5700 rpms turns under 2000 rpms on prop, but directs turns props as crank = higher prop tip speed = lower efectivity, high noise. Directs must have smaler, prop, or turn low rpms under best power/torque. Some compromise would be best - actually maybe diesels?
About tests - some CZcams vids shows much shorter toffs with SuperStol, but they lift tail, before go run.
Also some not real STOL planes show good performance, without slats and turbulators - look Aeroprakt 22 short takeoff :-)
@@BetterAircraftFabric yes i love the sound of a Cub for sure...in comparison to Rotax sound
Thank you for a great comparison...thumbs down to the whiners
Thanks... And still sorry for the shakiness... !
Wish you would of let him finish talking about the turbo on the Superstol, you kept interrupting.
Because we just suck... Happy?
Where do these guys get $200,000 to blow on a bushplane setup?
Who cares, I'm just glad they bought these instead of a big boat!
What I really want to know is how do you people afford not just one, but two of these things lol
"you"? Us people? I know there is a lot of money in this world .. I certainly don't have my share.! (and these aren't my planes)
The aircraft are great. The video is terrible, so giggly as to give me a headache.
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
I love the idea of this video, but I just can't stomach the insane shaky camera. Thumbs down, very sorry.
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
I would like a close up of the girl on the beach please. Just the girl, leave Seth out of the photo.
Shaky camera!
Better to have a shaky camera than no video at all. At least we saw an unusual and interesting comparison of two LSA at altitude.
@@RWBHere EXACTLY !
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
I don't get it. Why are aviation CZcams cameras the SHAKIEST IN THE UNIVERSE.??
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
I like your planes but I am a farmer and I noticed that in the sky above you and your videos if there's gon geoengineering streaks these tricks are for solar radiation management and they use aluminum other things in there check out the website of Dane wigington has on geoengineering watch to understand what I'm talking about I've been seeing this and videos and letting people know because they overlooked this issue I'm a farmer that's has luminin me and my crops have been severely hurt I did not believe this as being a pilot I referred to this as Vapor Trails but as I seen these Vapor Trails dissipate in a total sky and farming a cloud I realized it was much more as I looked in and investigated in this I realize that we have a serious problem please take note of this and and do the due diligence to check this out because your health and our future families are very much hurt and impacted by this unfortunate situation by a few certain wealthy people that want to control the world and the weather this is definitely a fact that we can't ignore thank you for your time
As you, wish I had the almighty power to control and fix all that is wrong.! Thank You for watching..
Whomever is doing the pathetic camera work should be publicly drawn and quartered and perhaps replaced by someone a little more experienced and competent. Very annoying and obnoxious. He shamefully destroyed an otherwise good, informative video.
Not a good comparison, the Cub is a real plane where as the SS is just a light weight toy plane.
It's got wings, don't it? It flies, don't it? It's an airplane.
The J3 I flew today weighed quiet a bit less than 800 lbs. I'm not sure what peoples definition of a real airplane but to me it's anything that carries a person through the air
You are a real idiot.
So were the Wright Flyers and the Blériot monoplanes also toys, in your estimation? They probably weighed less, and certainly had less power than the SS.
Why is this film wasting my time. Volume to low going up and down camera man shakes like a alcoholic get a tripod or stick . if you are going to make a film have a mental plan like flying a airplane know something about what you are doing.
You MR. X are wasting your own time.. Hope you feel good now.. You need not watch.. Are you so ignorant not to know CZcams is a "for anyone" amateur forum? Not expected to be a paid for professional venue? People begin somewhere.. Oh, you were born knowing everything.! Obviously a very selfish self absorbed person..
Truth really hurts doesn't it DUMB ASS.
@@MrCocg1 Watch your own film before you post it. Talk about being ignorant. Then you edit it. Not so hard to figure out DUMB ASSSSS
@@MrCocg1 I didn't say there was any thing bad about the presentation my complaint was the audio and the shaky video. If you can't take constructive criticism I guess there is no help for you. ( GROUND HOG DAY )
You are welcome for the last word for I am sure you will not shut up.. Just look at your aggressive multiple reply posts.. Wasting your time? Apparently I am worth it for you need to reply. Name calling, childish for you are needing to write anything.. Put others down to make yourself big... Go do something better for yourself.. Get out of your moms basement.. Constructive criticism? Where? From you? Reply away... I will no longer.. Waste my time with little people who do not know how to communicate.. ? Not I..