Traitor (2004) - The BBC's forgotten first-try at The Traitors!
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2024
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Way back in the mists of TV time, way before "The Traitors" became a bona fide TV phenomenon, the BBC made a short series called... TRAITOR. It ran for just one series of five shows, screened every evening for one week in 2004. Blink and you'd have missed it (as many did).
Whilst the premise of the 2004 show is similar - there are Traitors amongst the Faithful (here they're called Citizens) - it is almost unrecognisable compared with everyone's new favourite. No Castles, Cloaks, Clandestine Meetings or Claudia Winkleman here.
Tony Livesey presents a studio-based battle of wits. And absolutely no murders. - Zábava
I was on this series as well (NOT the David that played today).
We all stayed in different hotels the night before then different rooms at the BBC before we played so no alliances could be formed.
The host came round to every person trying to stir it up before we started saying "be passionate because you'll look stupid if you tell the truth and everyone thinks you are lying".
I said "no, they would for getting it wrong". The lighying was harsh and chairspushed right together confrontationally.
At my audition I did a comedy poem about hating black dresses on women and I later found out they had told the lady next to me to wear a black dress even though she loves colours and to come and sit next to me in the circle. Clearly they wanted an argument between her and me but it was ONLY a poem and I ignored what she had on as that's up to her and not how to solve it.
Anyway. I can't say any more or you'll work out what happens in our episode.
David, Traitors player from 2004.
do you know where we can watch the rest of the episodes?
Thanks for finding this! Now I’d like to see the other 4 episodes.
Diane literally said 2 words and everyone was sure she was a citizen
Yay, I spotted Diane almost straight away! Any Olympic athlete would give their PB time to two decimal points, not one. Especially for the hundred metres. It's a small detail, but it's really fine margins with the 100 metres. She was just lucky that nobody else there knew about athletics.
I love how the last girl screamed "you're the traitor" when it was just a person left LOL
I thought I was going crazy when I found out that The Traitors was a new show, I remembered hearing the name on a different BBC show. Finally it makes sense now
I really like this version because there is an actual way to figure out who is traitor, unlike in the new version where everyone is super emotional
Well in the modern version we KNOW who the Traitors are
@@keithparker1346 Yeah but I'm saying that the premise of this version revolves around who is lying about their profession. The newer version relies on no logic
@@phantomr277 I tend to agree that with about 20 players it's only when they get down to about 6 or 7 that anyone can have an informed opinion of who the Traitors are
David read the room straight from the beginning, what a legend!
Love the pace of this compared to Traitors. An entire season in 45 mins!
Would love to see the rest of these. It’s old but feels fresh. Looking forward to more shows.
I loved this show. Particularly as it was just one game per episode, and I loved the mid-2000s feeling of dread
Upload more episodes please. Thought I’d give it a watch and now I’m hooked 😆
This is the most 2004 thing ive ever seen 😂
The whole "look away if you don't want to know who the Traitors are" bit is great, but as soon as the episode starts there's a clip of what's to come and shows the remaining four... they could have edited that better.
Wow - Thanks for finding this
Comes to something when TV from the early 00's looks like the 70s
This is brilliant, thank you for uploading this.
Obviously I prefer the modern format as it's a bigger cash prize and bigger production but I loved the innocence of this too and how because Diane was quiet she went under the radar and how they should have listened to David 🤦
we need more episodes of this!!!! absolutely brilliant
Knew the traitors from the start. Dianes successive blinking gave it away and to add to this further her quietness and her unbelievable 100m time for someone that petit and young (16 at the time)
Loved this when it was on. Remember Paul Kay on it too. Inspiration for recent BBC Traitors surely.
Yes and No. The recent version of The Traitors is from Netherlands or Belgium...I forget which. Do internet searches for De Verraders. We assume these programmes are British but typically the ideas have been done before in Europe or USA
Please post the other episodes, this is great! 👏
Also a man slagging what a woman is wearing like that is sooo 2004 🙈
John wouldn't last five minutes in the modern traitors with how aggressively he led everyone. Interesting that Diane left him alive.
why would she kill him? He was shooting himself and all the other citizens in the foot
@@kiko3971 yeah, realisticly he was better left alive, since he was gonna cause problems, plus david and john got at each other, greg seemed the most innocent between him and sophia
@@kiko3971 While it's true he did protect Diane, the way he went from completely trusting people to suddenly nominating them to leave (like the artist) and the fact that people listened to him just meant that Diane was quite lucky that he didn't randomly turn on her.
Who knew Michael Mcintyre used to have a northern accent before the plastic surgery?
And he trusted Diane so of course she was gonna keep him. @@kiko3971
For those questioning where the original stemmed from, the board game Mafia was published in 1986 and is the basis of this concept.
I write Mafia online game's for forums as it happens, immense fun
Did Nicky invent the phrase 'the traitor is playing a very good game'? She should have trademarked that as she'd have made a fortune these days! 😂
We want more, we want more.
2004 wasn't ready for this!
For real I can't believe this didn't take off it was so entertaining. If Twitter had been around 2004 I feel like it would've done well!
This was brilliant, I need to see every other episode immediately 😂
John never stops flapping his mouth. Never ever gets humbled by his massive errors. Still believes he is special despite all evidence to the contrary.
John spending the entire game being loud and wrong
who in society does that remind you of?
If there’s one thing I learned from the series, Traitors tend to be the quiet ones in the beginning and strike when they feel threatened.
Yeah exactly, you would think after she eliminated that guy that it be obvious. Plus she barely spoke which was highly suspicious.
It's interesting that the similar show Who Is The Mole that the Mole is sometimes a loud obvious character. Different show with different dynamics though
Wow, this is so interesting, I particularly like the "if you don't want to know who the Traitors are, look away now" aspect. I actually think there ought to be a "red button" version of the new version where you can watch it without knowing who the Traitors are... obviously you'd have to avoid spoilers and therefore much of social media, but I think it would be fascinating...
My thoughts exactly, I did actually look away at those parts! I haven't fully committed to the Traitors series yet (I am about to), but I already know the winner for season two because of social media which is a tad annoying but that’s all I know, I don't know how they won or what the storyline was, so I suppose that could be the fun in it?
@@jasminappleby779 SPOILERS
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traitors tend to sit back and let Faithfuls wild theories spread and they eliminate themselves. If a traitor becomes a target they will get thrown under the bus. Traitors will foolishly recruit another traitor even when it's not mandatory and regret that decision. One player will be utterly convinced a traitor is faithful right til the end
I've watched 6 versions of this show and it typically plays out that way
I'm hooked, please show us more
I remember this show. It was back when BBC2 would show awesome tv back to back like simpsons, Fresh Prince, Malcolm in the middle ect.
Another great show they tried out was called Unanimous
That was pretty good . Glad yt recommended
David was my PE teacher back in the day. A really good guy and a great tactician. He got blindsided
Did he make any other TV appearances? Seems familiar
@@Patty2579 yes he went on a few but can’t name them. He was well known in the town and even organised and chaired quiz nights locally
David was like: I've got no clue, but you have to stick with me! 🤣🤣🤣
He still knew more than the others 🤷♀️, he kept voting the right way until they mistakenly got rid of him .
What a twist! 😂❤ I love this version so much, please upload more bangers xxx
I remember watching this episode when broadcast... the insomniac is the one I remember! There was a similar show presented by Paul Kaye (best known for Dennis Pennis but been in loads of stuff), but in front of a studio audience who had to guess who was the liar.
There was. The show was just called Liar
Also funny that Paul Kaye also did the pilot for this show.
I remember this so clearly! Watching it with my family round the dinner table and a traitor won then cried because she felt bad and the presenter was like “don’t worry now you get to take your daughter to Disneyland”
Well maybe you don't remember it *that* clearly 😅 That's this episode, and she's crying because she's happy and says herself she can take her daughter to Disneyland
@@ixICocoIxi I think the fact that I was 7 and I’m now 27 yet I remember the detail of her crying, saying she felt bad and saying she’s going to Disneyland, is pretty clear for a 20 year old memory 😂😂😂😂😂
@@acousticabby100 I was being a pedant
I thought the ginger was Paul for a second 🤣🤣
It would be AWESOME if these people became contestants on 2025 Traitors ❤❤❤❤❤. One or two of them
Wonder if that old geezer is still around?
The new traitors is better - but it’s cool that you as the audience can choose not to know who the traitors are. Would be difficult to implement in the new traitors but would be interesting if they could.
imo the best show to do this type of game is the Korean show Running Man.
Another one which had a similar format was "The Mole" TV series
Enjoyed this! Thanks for posting 😊 x
This show was technically filler for a week as BBC were figuring out what to replace The Simpsons with in the 6pm slot, as it was moving to Channel 4 later that year.
Oh those few months without the simpsons as a child felt like years. Back when they'd also air the fresh Prince 😢
Omg. I remember watching this!! I never would have remembered it though. Wow
This is a great find. Interesting. Almost a distillation of Traitors without all the overdone production and milking
I dont why he was so convinced Dianne was a citizen she was so quiet!!!
The show is amazing. I think this last season was the best. I can't wait for it to come back again 🙌🏼
Margaret thought she was cleverer than she was, from the get go pretending not to hear basic questions, bizarre
deffidently an interesting format, its crazy to think this would predate the actual traitors.
Wow Diane played a perfect game, very well played!
More people should have been suspicious by how quiet she was. That’s a big tell
@@graphiquejackexcept when quiet people are not traitors
This is the game stripped back its basic framework. I decided to play as a citizen and was almost certain about the Traitors although I did suspect David for a while.
You can see just how much the game has been embellished for the current format which I think works a lot better as we become invested in the cast. Looking at the competitors in this early format I'm convinced I've seen several of them on other shows- reality/quiz and even acting in shows.... mmm
People who do these sorts of shows are going to also going to do other reality or quiz shows. Even the most recent version has actors on and people who have done other reality shows.
I remember this one!!! 20 years ago!!!
I would have thought it was John because he's deflecting a lot to others. He really screams traitor just because he's so vocal and over powering trying to hide his true identity. But then again Dianne being so quiet and flying under the radar does it again!
This is like if the weakest link and the traitors had a baby. I like it. Not as much, but it's enjoyable.
A very interesting find! Was hoping someone would eventually do it
That was so obvious. If there’s anything I’ve learnt from The new Traitors is that they are smug and smirk when they are getting away with it. Paul from UK series 2 and Sam and Ash from Aus Series 2 are perfect examples of this. They are also tend to sit back and let the innocents drop bombs on each other. Diane literally didn’t have to do a single thing in this because they all got rid of themselves, the amateur dramatic reactions when someone got voted off incorrectly was also a giveaway. She also looked defensive and anxious the whole way through, the only person with her arms in between her legs whilst everyone else had quite open postures.
They also deflect, when she was asked a question she straight away deflected with a question back to the guy in glasses. And then felt threatened by him so chose to accuse straightaway.
This is such a bad argument. You're missing the fact that these people didn't have time to hang out or do challenges. These people are basing everything on this exact moment. Also every single example you said came after the og season of the traitor's uk had premiered. People already know how to play the game, so they get better at it.
the amount of times harry was openly smirking in UK S2 was insane.
@@calidofrio13yeah it’s hard to catch people out when you don’t know them well. when i play mafia with my sisters, it’s so much easier to catch out the mafia then when i play with acquaintances.
I disagree. People are notoriously bad at reading people and spotting liars even over extended periods. Plus the neutral challenges don't give you any idea who'd be a traitor. I've watched about 6 different versions of the Traitors. Statistically it's far easier to be a Traitor as with 20 or so people it's inevitable that loads of Faithfuls will get voted off before there's any strong theory about the identity of any traitor. For the traitors it's mainly sit back and watch the faithful wrongly accused themselves
@@keithparker1346 yeah, the traitors always get really far. traitors australia was insane. honestly, they gotta sue or something because that traitors’ wager at the end was ridiculous.
Do you have the other episodes?? Where did you find this
The OG Diane 😂
YESSS
Ha someone’s mother :)
For some reason I get obsessed with British series and reality maybe it makes me feel like I get a glimpse into the UK society but I love these let's get more lol. Cheers from US
Haha I love US reality TV
@@magnoliacrawford4065 if I could move to the UK I would I'm a heartbeat lol. Cardiff or Edinburgh
@@Jkit703 Fantastic choices! First time I have seen an American acknowledge Wales. Edinburgh is apparently beautiful, I work with a lot of people from there. I am not far from Cardiff and I think it is really nice too! (Not very cheap though)
@@jasminappleby779 I think Wales, Ireland is beautiful by the water I also love UK crime shows like Broadchurch which is maybe the best I just don't know any Welsh lol or why the language exists it sounds really hard though... I'm from the Southern part of US(Georgia)
Sophia just wanted to get to know everybody. 😂
Wow i didn't even know about this , so back in 2004 they already had the idea 💡 .
this is so cool!! i’m a fan of the newer version, you can see the themes that were reused for the newer version as well
To be honest, I'm here mainly to admire the flammable outfits.
Interesting. I got this suggested randomly and I will take a look later
They should bring this version back
Daytime television definitely
1 minute in and I thought this was shit. By the end I actually enjoyed it 🤣
Claudia looks weird here
This is stone cold BRILLTASTIC. Glad to see this and definitely The Traitors is better
“They may think you’re posh, but they also think you’re tosh.”
This is everything good about the new traitors without the fluff
Yes by there are no real relationships built when it’s just round table.
Based on the same concept, but wildly different. These guys are together an hour, and its just statements. Not comparable in the slightest
@@rujon288 those real relationships which inevitably fall to pieces once the show is over. I'm being sarcastic but it's foolish to think that there's real relationships forged in this
Get the rest of the episodes up now!!!!!
i can't
The way Margaret deflected the questions, it was so obvious, also, John was a sore loser.
Do you have episode 2 and the rest of the series?
I knew I'd seen this on TV as a kid
Any idea how to get hold of the other four?
I hope some of them will be in season three!
100% faithful mate
Didn't know Larry David collected number one records.
Are there more episodes id love to see them new subscriber here
The issue with this iteration is everyone is just going to vote traitor. There’s little incentive to vote someone is a citizen. Plus it’s corny but it was a different time.
Funny. I was actually on this show. I did it twice - once for the pilot and then a real one.
That's awesome! I'm surprised it didn't take off I enjoyed it SO much
Awesome channel and video sir. Subbed, you should do a video on the original 'Love Island' that everyone seems to forget happened (and was far superior to the awful modern itv2 rubbish)
In a way, I'd prefer it in the current Traitors if we, the audience, didn't know who the traitors were. We'd have to work it out using our people-reading skills. At least here you get the option to look away during the reveal at the beginning.
Had a similar thought myself, if they made a version of the series in tandem where they don’t reveal the traitors and we had to figure it out what the faithful…
But then I wondered what the episodes would actually be like? More shots of them having conversations? 😅
Yes. Perhaps the makers of the traitors could somehow release alternative dvd versions where traitor stuff is editted out so you can play along at home
People wanting to be detectives may find watching any one of the dozens of versions of Who Is The Mole more rewarding than current Traitors
That will be a spin for a future series I'm sure.
I clocked 50% of the traitors from the first secs.
Am I high or are these the weirdest interactions between people ever?
Yes.
@frajoladellagato to which question?
@@tosser182 correct.
I found it weird because it was so normal. Usually everything on tv is so polished and scripted, this felt nice and real.
@@FunkySpunkyJunky exactly.
I've thought quite a few times that i would prefer a show that's just the roundtable banishment part. And yeah, i like this a great deal. Wish they'd do a revamped version as a Traitors spin off, because as it currently stands, The Traitors is better. But this format could be elevated. Maybe new contestants every week. Or maybe every other week if they want to save a bit of money. I'd be fine with it. Prizes wouldn't even need to be as big since it would just shoot over a single day. Maybe they could even shoot multiple episodes per day if the production team is good at what they do. Makes total sense why the BBC threw this together as a replacement show for The Simpsons until they figured out what they wanted to actually do with the slot. Cheap to make, and a lot of fun to watch unfold.
I love the new version but I always skip the entire task - maybe 15-20 mins of the show - and just watch what happens before and after it. I find the task totally irrelevant, and often quite boring (or at least I did, before I decided to just skip them). I never felt like I'd missed anything.
@@davmeg Season two had a really good moment when Harry got the shield and kept it to himself. Was a very clever ploy. I skip the tasks sometimes too. Unless it is obvious that what's happening in the task is gonna have a big impact on the roundtable. And sometimes it has been worth it, because people will mishear something, or exaggerate something in the roundtable. And it makes it really funny to watch them use this faulty information to vote out a faithful.
In fact that's my favorite kind of banishment. When the traitors haven't actually had to do anything at all, and they just sit back and watch faithfuls turning on each other. It's especially funny when the faithfuls after banishing a faithful start going "the traitors are playing a really good game." when nope, you just gave them this one. They did nothing.
The roundtables are by far the best part of the show, but every now and then the tasks/missions are worth watching. Not often enough though. And the faithfuls saying "they play so well on the tasks, they have to be a faithful" always makes me laugh. The traitors obviously want to win more money incase they win. Guess someone didn't read the rules or something. Like they think the traitors get a separate pot of gold of something.
@@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond yeh, I agree. The ploy Harry used was clever, but I was fully aware of it and what was going on without having watched the actual task - they talk about it all the time and it is explained; I didn't feel like I was missing out having not watched it.
I do think there a couple of flaws generally with the show, although it doesn't stop my enjoyment of it. One is, like you said, that the traitors have just as much reason to do well on the tasks, so the faithfuls really have nothing to go by. I think generally there is pretty much nothing they can do except guess, and the problem is that once you accuse someone, that person gets defensive, and it is impossible to prove a negative. I particularly like the "I'm 100% faithful" line which everyone is so fond of saying. As if the other guys sitting around the table are thinking, Oh, OK, I had my suspicions about them and I thought they'd be maybe 75- or 80% faithful, but if they're 100% faithful then I'll turn my suspicions elsewhere.
Another thing is that it isn't actually an advantage to find the traitors earlier on in the show. If you vote one out, they'll probably just get replaced, and that makes it even harder because anyone who you may have rightly believed to be faithful one day could easily have been turned into a traitor the next. So what's the incentive to vote them out, until the very end?
But anyway, like I said, I enjoy the show a lot regardless!
@@davmeg all excellent points
If only we can get a where are they now episode.
David really didnt help himself he came across as a manipulator at the end.
David is a bellend 😂 telling the others to help but not actually giving any solution himself. Then getting angry at the end 😂😂
Diane just getting started of course, future contestant number 1 on Chris Tarrant smash hit The Colour of Money.
How do you know that? Is she famous or something?
@@connokra czcams.com/video/j7yaq9XF31M/video.htmlsi=Ea2QK6tCq2NLu_RA&t=115
more pls !
I actually really enjoyed this, anyone got a link to the other episodes?
I haven’t been able to find any more episodes so far - will keep looking. Thanks for watching!
Tony Livesey
2004 time capsule
Tony livesy!!
£5000 between 2 or up to 7 people? Thats wild... Like thats barely a day out... Like thats still less than 10K in todays money.
You spend 5k on a day out? The fuck are you doing
@@Lezzyboy87 no I mean:
£5000 between 7 people is like £714 each. That's enough for like a really good day trip out somewhere with the family or something. So it's wild to me that that's the minimum prize in the end 🤷♂️ it's not worth going on TV for
@@Kranitoko back in 2004 - equivalent to £1.k now
people go on pointless for less
Sure but it's BBC, BBC2 even. If they stated giving away huge prize money, the gammons and the Daily Mail would be at their throats - "taxpayers money being wasted!". There's more to life than money.
@@Kranitoko some people go on for fun
I knew who the two traitors were before the reveal. Diane kept blinking when she was talking. The other one something just said her
Yes that's giveaway body language of blinking 😂
The things that these types of shows reveal that body language and reading people is mainly bullshit and that lying is far easier to get away with than we'd like to believe...oh and accidental slips of the tongue are nothing more than accidents with no bad intent