The Definition Of A Hobby Tourist And A Anti-Fan
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- čas přidán 5. 05. 2024
- Is some one that values the fantasy setting of socialism above that of any other fantasy setting and insist on trying to push their absurdist pigs can fly fantasy onto other, more discerning customers! As always gatekeeping is the answer unless you want the woke to do too 40k what they already did to pride and star wars and anything else their tentacles touch.
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"Hobby Squatter"
Someone who barges into a community where they are not wanted because they are known to have ruined other hobbies.
Much like a squatters, the occupy the space, kick out and sue the people who were there before. When they finally do leave the place is left in a mess.
Kinda like Dev in Arch's streams.
NOICE!!!! i like that concept lolz and it's true as well....
PERFECT! That's what we should call them.
Colonists as others said better name for them. Gamers are like Native Americans welcoming colonists and using them to fight each other instead of the colonists.
>The Activist
>The Tourist
>The Fetishist
>The Heretic
>The Xeno
>The Mutant
Communist activist= shacktivist
>The Commie
>The Woke
>The Squatter
>The Good
>The Bad
>The Ugly
forgot the profiteer.
Tourists, Anti-Fans, Fake-Fans; All people who just 15 years ago would've been the ones bullying us as "Nerds" for liking tabletop gaming and videogames, just that they now changed the type of bullying.
Yep thats the nail hit on the head right there
I get a kick out of charges of "gatekeeping" because the gate was originally built to keep us out.
Squatters, they move in, press charges and accusations against those that were there before, then when they do leave the place is left in a dump.
@@insignificantgnat9334 Not really. The gate WAS built by them, mind you, but it was to keep you IN. Then they found out you were having way more fun than they were so they had to take the gate back.
Exactly. They switched sides motivated by popularity
I prefer to call them cultural colonizers.
Shorten it to colonizer. It'll drive them wild because colonizer is basically a slur to lefties.
Squatters work
I love that. Mostly because being called colonisers will annoy them af. 👌
God almighty YT, my comment wasn't even bad! How is pointing out that just calling them colonizers is better because to a lefty, colonizer is a s l u r?
Hard no. When I saw that word unironically used as an insult in the Black Panther movie, I cringed so hard I pulled something.
The Pride flag is the clearest expression of 'the left eats itself' I have ever seen.
Welcome to the People's Republic of Inclusivity, Diversity and Equity my dear Comrade.
imagine if straight people made up a little club just for us and a special flag then organized little parsades in some POS city that used to be cool??
we'd get laughed out of the room.....and called phobes right??
what if we did the same like White lives matters?? no bed sheets or anything just white guys waving banners with ugly masks on our faces?? we'd get called racist
what if we made up a group of just men and said shit like we don't need women for 30 years?? we'd be called sexist!!!!
well these groups are straightphobes, racist and sexist how ya like dem apples?? lolz hey I said it, comment is likely getting censored so laugh while you can...
The not 4th reich
The first ideology they invaded, was their own
At this point it has consumed the left entirely and started nomming on the centrists as there is nothing left.
LGBT Denmark just lost nearly all their major corporate sponsors as they thought they could strongarm corporate interest groups like Mærsk and Danish Industry into taking a political stance on the palestine/israel shitshow.
Which have allowed them an out on the logic of "Diversity and inclusion, not politics" which is one fuck of a statement coming from what is in every sense a DEI activist investor type interest group built up by a majority of industries....
Diversity and inclusion, not politics.
That phrase is your nuclear option gentlemen, we want Diversity and INCLUSION, not POLITICS. declare their demands political and insist that you exclusively want diversity and inclusion. Faction diversity, as in, a diverse set of factions, not excess diversity within factions, as factions in warhammer are inheriently defined by their consistencies, not their diversity, unless we are talking about the tyrranids so even there, the diversity can be absolute, of course these people cannot cumzoom product if its not boosting their libido....so they do not count nids in their discussions :)
They act more like a Squatter than just some annoying tourist.
They move in without permission, make the place a pigsty, and then refuse to leave. Sounds about right.
Seeing as these people are very often pro squatter / home invader, this is very accurate.
I think they are both. they come to see how the hobby is, doesn't make any effort to understand the local culture and customs that they dislike anyway and they are very vocal about it, like most stupid tourists, then, because they like the place but not the people in it, they stop to pay rent and abuse the squatters protection laws to avoid being evicted, while ravaging the place as retaliation against you for trying to get back what was once yours and like real life squatters, once finally evicted, it's down to you to rebuild everything from the ground up and no one will help you. and you will be seen as a villain still while they will be treated as victims despite the fuming ruins they left behind them.
something like this happened in my country, an old idealist leftist couple that had some sort of help center for people in difficulties had welcomed migrants to help them, everything was OK at first, then, they barricaded the center and destroyed it, they recovered the copper water lines for resell, they used the medical files located in the husband's office (he's a doctor) as toilet paper, between other horrors. and when finally they had the eviction notice with the police to enforce it, there were far left activists to manifest against the eviction, activists that helped creating that situation from the start, as they found in the building pamphlets with guidelines on how to keep squatting and get the necessities to live, stamped with those particular leftist groups. the state of the building was worse than a mid-80's crack den. last time I checked, the landlords were still battling the insurance company to get the money to repair the center, the government denied any help outside the eviction and it's enforcement and they were still viewed as the villains, painted as such by the activist movements.
that horrific event is happening to most of our hobbies, granted, not at the same scale, but still destructive.
To a lot of these people, they don't see something they like and want to get into it, they see something cool and see unclaimed land
Bingo!
Typical Colonizers...
Fake Fan is another term. I deal with these "people" regarding things like Star Wars, anime and manga and other things all the time.
I heard the term Hobby Squatter and I liked it quite a bit!😂
It had all the markers of the characteristics of these leeches.
You go on vacation, you come back and a stranger is living in your home? In this case we thought we were friends, they were buddies and they had hit a rough spot letting them sleep on the couch for a few days a week at tops couldn’t hurt really right?
Only to find out they’ve been screwing your significant other and stollen your identity.
with SW i became a non fan....hey, Disney told me it wasn't made for me and that i wasn't needed, who am I to argue???
well honestly i fell out long before I made up that rationale....i am an agent of truth....
@@judgedrekk2981 Same here. Do you watch Knights of Melvin?
Same here. There’s a lot of fake fans and disingenuous folks that don’t care about the content but will use it as a way to ruin it for others.
Same man! Rogue one was the last one I watched and kind of liked. Haven't ever watched a show and haven't finished the newest trilogy. Was so over it with Luke being a light saber tosser. @@judgedrekk2981
Han shooting first also makes his return to save Luke at the end of the movie FAR more impactful. It's probably WHY they had him shoot first in the original.
Those people don't understand the concept of character arc. Han Solo starts as a scumbag, literally a drug dealer that wasn't much interested in helping Luke, and through his journey he became heroic. It is this transformation that makes him interesting, as he mirrors Luke. At the start, Luke has the good heart, but not the skills to become a hero, Han has the skills, but not the good heart, by the end, both became heroes.
@@Noperare By supporting each other, teaching each other of things they lack. They didn't know everything already, can't do everything still by end of their character arc as well and have weakness true weaknesses and need actual help from others even at end of their story arc. Then you have characters like Rey in current star wars.
George Lucas in an interview said he did it to make it more kid friendly. Dumbing it down a bit though.
Think I was 7 or 8 when I first saw it in the early 90's, made perfect sense to me, Greedo sat down threatening Han, it was shoot or be shot.
@@user-fb7ep4ok9qI mean Greedo literally pointed a weapon at Hans head ready to fire. Han was completely justified not to wait until Greedo shot.
@@LordNithilusExactly, and there was a time when George understood that.
Call them “settlers” or “colonists” because they want to take over the hobby and exploit the indigenous hobbyists… plus it will make them literally explode with rage
Stupid gamers like Native Americans who welcomed colonists and "used" them to fight each other instead of fighting the colonists.
I prefer to call them hobby migrants. Tourists eventually leave.
More like locusts. They’ll go, but only once everything of value is consumed or transported elsewhere.
@@jmass4207what they did with Star Wars, world of Warcraft, dnd, the lord of the rings, magic…
@@jmass4207 Well, that kind of is the reason why Tyranids came about with the Bolter Bitches during the original call for Female Space Marines...
Colonizers
they are indeed like the foreign migrants who refuses to integrate into local culture, very vocal about the fact that they are foreign migrants, likes to talk about how their foreign culture will enrich the host country, but then secretly working together with their "home country" to undermine the host country.
my definition of a hobby tourist is someone who doesn't join the hobby but demands that the hobby join them
I really like this definition. Gets across the fashionista/hipster mindset lots of these types have. They don't care for the fun to find but the skin suits that fun can be fashioned into.
Concise, very nice
yeah we're al good over here now go bugger off.....
after a series of attacks
Tourist: where are we?
?: in the village
T: what side are you on?
?: that would be telling
T: What do you want?
?: we want....information, information......information
T: you won't get it
?: by hook or by crook we will
T: who are you?
? the new number two
T: who's number one?
2: you are number six!
6: i am not a number i am a free tourist!!
2: mwahahahahahahaaah!
but seriously The Prisoner from 1967 was a fantastic show.....
A hobby imperialist
Thus why the tourist does not care for the Sisters of Silence.
but does the tourist care about the Sisters of Mercy?? lolz
i just couldn't resist....
Fan: Someone who wishes to explore.
Anti-fan: Someone who parasitizes and repurposes.
The Borg Collective: "We are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile."
@@clawofthefallenexactly how the modus operandi of these cuckoos has been programmed to work.
Locusts.
They swarm in, destroy everything, and then move to the next target.
And like locusts we need to teach them to eat each other
Fans: want to explore a world
Anti-fans: want to conquer a setting
Not just conquer, conquer and destroy.
One clearest sign of anti-fans is how they actively complain about the fanbase not being that happy that their favorite franchise is being altered, yet anti-fans will defend all of it, saying, "Grow up, you just can't accept change. Why don't you just move on?"
Again and again, the anti-fan will always show utter contempt for the fanbase.
Venice Italy is prime example of how to destroy a tourist destination. My wife wanted go Venice because of Anime Aria. She looked up Venice see how it was and talked to some my Italian relatives and after that she had no interest in going after that. Was very disappointed about what they let happen to the historic city, with corporatization of it and running out all locals, basically turning it in a corporate theme park, where you can get food at all your favorite international fastfood and chain restaurants and buy Chinese made junk that are imitations of goods you used to be able to buy there from craftsmen who's family made them for generations.
Same for Paris, it is like going to Texas to see Cowboys or going to England to see Knights. That was a past age and only exists in stories now.
I can relate to Don Quixote this day and age.
in the grim darkness of the far future ...
the is only
McDonalds
@@BIGBOSS-bu1jt I want some fries with my grim dark future.
I got called a tourist by some random on Mauler's Fallout video because all those arguments for why the Fallout show is shit are just "nitpicks", you see?
Nitpicks like changing who caused the death of 99% of all mankind from the Communists to the Capitalists.
Or the main antagonist being portrayed as sympathetic and actually right, despite being an absolute psychopath.
Or the Brotherhood of Steel acting like absolute idiots who promote cadets who violate their code on multiple occasions. Looking at you, Finn 2.0 .
Or Ghuls being fast regenerating killer machines that go feral if they don't get a dose of some drug that needs to be mass produced on a scale that would be impossible, since they apparently need one shot a day.
Or the absolute destruction of Fallout 1 and 2 lore, places and characters because it doesn't fit with the narrative modern day directors/writers.
NITPICKS, RIGHT?
That show has the biggest corporate bot push for its ratings ever. They even paid the drinker to give it a nice gentle blow.
Had this exact same experience with these new fans.
@@zachhughes9149 Yep. The Synthetic Man bore the brunt of it.
I agree with you on the other points, but the US was always the aggressor in Fallout lore. The difference was that the government was understood to have attacked China first (Fallout 2 computer logs state this, it's either from "the Emperor's logs" or somewhere else I can't remember) whereas in the show, Todd pushes his favorite pet theory that Vault-Tec started the war (although it is implied with Enclave oversight). The US was falling apart for years before this; you might want to find a different franchise if you want to see capitalism portrayed in a positive light.
@@zachhughes9149 damn even the drinker has fallen?
An anti-fan is someone who wants to change the IP specifically to upset real fans.
I seem to remember something about "Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war."
Yet they seem to be turning that on its head and trying to do the exact opposite, in a universe where genocide on a grand scale of a particular alien race just for the factor that I was in Humanities way is a thing, they somehow want to add in progression
I already know which retort this video will get 'But 40k was always political to begin with!' yes, and it still is political. But it is not contemporary. 40k places political / philosophical ideas into characters and factions the way Dostoyevsky would and then let's them clash into each other. Like Perturabo representing the Italian Futurismo movement to a T, paired up against Fulgrim who represents the romanticism movement that predates it. That's interesting and timeless while the corporate slop issues will be forgotten about by next year.
It's a satire take on political ideas sure, but putting modern day progressive sentiments in it is very different. Sure everything is political but only clowns let those politics affect their lives.
not so sure Corpos are ready to abandon it yet... they've dumped Trillions into A.I. at this point and our own Congress poured hundreds of billions more through Chip Fabs subsidies but meanwhile balance sheets are suggesting it might collapse faster than any other Bubble we've seen before so they will need some other controversy to fall back on so people aren't talking about the fact that these people just plain don't understand anything at all about making long term gains
This. Bravo, you hit the nail on the head.
If it was always poltical, why did it need to change to be political?
@@YaboitheCadian Because it wasn't the "correct" kind of political (IE: current-day political propaganda as opposed to philosophical debate over the ideas represented by each faction), according to the tourist.
> Lady Dimitrescu
> A vampire
> Main villain of one of the best Resident Evil games in later years
> Is GAE
They're trying their damndest to paint the bundle of sticks people in the most unfavourable light possible, aren't they?
The Hays Code yet lives!
Lady D is the new Tracer. And just like Tracer she swallowed many thousands metric tons of coom - and quite willingly - in fan animations, made by people who truly love and adore her.
Okay I'm honestly confused at what point you're trying to get out here
@@TheRaven-WingGaming czcams.com/video/5YeBLEbxoL4/video.htmlsi=N0Ir3LOxnPRT0e0H
She also totally dated Karl Heisenberg and they broke up. Just look at their dynamics in the cutscenes.
These are not humans. They are below it. They are robots. Ignore robots.
Robots operate on logic is the thing
Not necessarily, they just have a set of instructions they follow @dankmemes8254
@dankmemes8254
Logic.
They use a different dictionary than you or I.
Their logic is thus.
Anything and everything that advances the agenda and message is acceptable.
Ala "not bad tactics only bad targets."
All else is secondary.
See, that's an insult to Robots. Call Evil for what it is.
Don't call them robot. That's an insult to robot. Call them moron. That's why they are.
I miss when we had hobbies that didn't have real world symbols and real world political activism in them.
When not every setting, piece of fiction, game had to have a positive setting or message. When we could have a dystopian setting and when we had the cognitive function to tell the difference between fiction and real life.
This 👍
You can thank the people that constantly want to always inject politics into quite literally everything because their political views are their life and their personality.
It's the same thing as people who make their entire personality their sexuality, and nothing else. They are the literal definition of a one-trick pony when it comes to their personality, and it is not only boring, it is also extremely cringey and just disturbing to see
Gatekeep. Gatekeep *ALWAYS!*
Something dawned on me during the discussion in the last Archcast: If you look at the Battletech pride anthology, it is rather obvious that the 'mech on the cover is nothing more than a billboard for the activists. Same with the pri... intersectionality marines. It is them holding up an idol and expecting everyone to abase themself before it.
You shall have no other gods before me.
I consider my self a tourist of the 40k universe. I know the most surface level stuff about it, I have enjoyed games like Rogue Trader, and find the universe fascinating. However, I know that I'm just a tourists, I'm not pushing anything on it, just enjoying it for what it is. I can't imagine being so self absorbed to go into a hobby and think it should be like x or introduce real world politics into it..
Rather, I think you’re a hobby boy-scout. And I mean that in the best way possible, when a boyscout goes camping they have a policy of “leave the forest with no trace or better than when you found it.” when you enter the hobby it sounds like you try to enjoy it as “the forest” intended. And when you leave you also leave it’s ecosystem of lore and game untouched so it’s preserved
I think you're simply a new fan.
You are just a newbie, i would love to spend time answering any lore questions you would have about the thing i love most and it would be a time well spent for me
I wouldn't put yourself in their degenerate group. What you described sounds more like fan light.
Same for myself. I am like that for lot of things cause I find other people being passionate about something just as if not more enjoyable than my own passions.
I am reminded of a twitter comment I saw where one of the pronoun-in-bio sorts commented that it views the female custodes thing as a step in the right direction, and that it wants to get into 40k, but 40k has too much war and hammers in it. Not literally said that, but it was basically that: too much violence, not enough romance.
>has to much war and HAMMERS
>big e uses a sword
>only character using hammer is vulkan
Warhammer 40K.
The tabletop war game where you create armies and have them fight each other.
The originator of the term ‘grim-dark’.
Has too much war and not enough romance…
That has got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
@@dankmemes8254 well you also got that one Inquisitor dudes, also Gabriel Angelos was given one by Inquisitor Toth.
Ha.
_Gae!_
As a Floridian I know all too well about tourists
They make no sense to me. They come around and look at you strange, like if you are the one who doesn't belong.
I've also seen a fair number of people, who see what they are perceiving as their political enemies are taking an L, come in and pile on. Comments like, "are you upset you're going to have to share your little toy soldiers with your sister", to me indicates they don't really have any interest in the hobby. They are there just to gloat at what they see as their political enemies.
They can't argue in good faith, they only want to win.
Exactly, and if they don't see one they have to find one.
They don't make any difference between an opponents and enemies.
I prefer the term "locust" because like locusts they destroy everything everywhere they go before moving onto the next.
And they always come in a swarm. Weak and pathetic when alone, brave and destructive only when together.
@@AShockToTheSystem I wonder what it would take to break the woke swarm?
@merafirewing6591
One fun and generally effective way is normally calling them by their own buzzwords that they spam to everyone else. Primarily, things like calling them a "bigot" or calling them a "colonist". Their minds pulling error 404 so damn fast it's actually hilarious
i fan cannon midiclorians away with the idea that they are just microbes that are naturally produced by most creatures using force powers in a unfocused way,
as such they do not produce force powers but explains why they are a method of identifying force users in harsh area as they don't have training so midiclorians are produced in the body acing as a tell tail way of detecting and hunting them.
minimal retcon for maximum effect.
I used to say it was impossible to be a communist and a patriot. Even after they stopped being a fifth column for the Soviets, not due to any moral reawakening but because their masters crumbled.
Didnt know Carl painted. Respect, thats a fair bit of detail he had to work on.
He has done painting streams with Arch and a few others.
From the moment I understood the fleetiness of wider audience it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of an invested community. I aspired to the purity of the Autistic Fandom. Your kind cling to your myth of wider audience, as though the normies will readily spend a fortune and learn the lore and rules. One day the normies you sacrificed so much to court will leave, and then you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the 3D printer go brrrrr.
even in wokeness i still print
Who's the Omnissiah then, Pepe ?
I litterally said this, the painting of there ideological flag on minis is a mark of conquest and victory
There is a good video on flags on Yt somewhere. Its about an open display, shoving us into hiding while they take the public spaces
"Guys its just satire! Its actually making fun of you rightoids!"
Then why do they desparately want neo pronouns and queer theory in their oppressive fuedal theocratic autocracy? Lmao. Seems to me mike brooks is making fun of queers seeing how its all satire.
They exist but if you actually said it outloud they will scream at you
Hint: it is one of the 4 chaos gods
@@dankmemes8254But wasn't he a he until 10 years ago?
Them:
"The Imperium is totally an unjustifiably evil facist faction and should be destroyed.'
Also them:
"The Imperium loves pride marines, female custodes and intersectionality."
to be fair, the sooner the pride flag disappears, the sooner the rainbow can be recovered as the symbol of God's covenant with Noah
It is clearly a massive bridge to Aserne, ya tosser!!
-A northman
When they came for Star Wars, I did nothing
When they came for Marvel, I said nothing
When they came for D&D, I walked away
Now that I've finally pulled the Bolters trigger they come for Warhammer, I'LL BE DAMNED IF I GIVE ONE. MORE. INCH!
THIS HOBBY IS MINE COMMIE'S!!!!
SUFFER NOT THE HERETIC, THE BLASPHEMER, AND THE UNCLEAN!!
They are incapable of simply LEAVING THINGS ALONE.
No they just don't want the others to have things of their own, as like all communist they see a thing the dont own as thefts
they HAVE to inject personal beliefs into any setting they go, it would be like these people getting into star wars legion and painting battle droids in pride colors.
I'm definitely a tourist, I popped in to visit WH40K to get away from the woke, and if GW is gonna be woke, I'mma head right back out.
"Tourist" is too delicate a term for them. Coloniser better reflects nature as well would sting more.
Actually I think it fits pretty well. You just have to think of them as that kind of tourist who goes to a foreign country only to walk around in sandals with socks, never leaves the resort and hits on the bar staff.
Parasites work, too.
Swarm of roachas or locust
@@justachannel8600 Tourists will arrive, sooner rather than later leave. Even if they brawl in a bar and litter a bit, in an isolated environment they are basically no harm to locals. People we are talking about behave differently, I dont know what term is in eng exacly but conquest by settlement according to Islam would also fit perfectly.
@@justachannel8600 you forgot "and dump their trash all over the beach".
This is a good reason why we called them Tourist Not fans.
They are worse than Tourists...
Squatters
I call them squatters.
They will even show you their books as if it were a Door Dash receipt.
Great video, just one small correction: Midichlorians aren't the force itself, they just allow living things to detect and use the force. The force is still supernatural even witb midichlorians.
I thought the explanation was midichlorians whee simply present in force sensitive beings? IE, they had little bearing other than to allow Jedi to detect Force sensitives with technology and, by virtue of their mdichlorian count, get a gauge of how strong one might be in the Force?
@@Andersonzabuza Midichlorians are the interface and potential. In Star Wars everybody has them but you need to have a certain number of them to be able to feel and manipulate the force. So when they told us that Anakin has the highest count ever recorded they said that he has the potential to become the most powerful force user ever.
A fan knows the difference between canon and fanfiction, and can appreciate both.
A Tourist/anti-fan does not see a difference between the two, and works to undermine the divide.
I can “like” females custodes, femmarines, etc, but I know that is just fanfiction and should stay that way.
Another fun term Ive heard before:
"Filthy Casual"
Casuals would be better than these creeps.
They would just want to have fun, not change everything to fit their beliefs.
Casuals don't really care that much, they're just here to experience the fun stuff 40k has to offer.
Basically me a lore lover @@famulanrevengeance3044
Apathy is why we here. let not become apathetic. even if your hobby have been taking by the forces of chaos. you should not leave but instead fight in any way you can. grain of sand is nothing but if people like you cared about your hobby that one tiny grain of sand will become a desert.
worse than tourists... squatters.
Personally, I never understood the rejection of Midoclorians. They are NOT the force. They fuel it.
Chloromidians make what Obi-Wan said about The Force in the original series, a lie.
It took something mystical potentially tied to ones soul & made it like a blood type which can scientifically be tested for
"Hi Jimmy you have an M count of 750 with training you'll be able to move about 5kg with the force"
Yoda wasn't a great Jedi because of how in tune with the force he was he just had the biggest M count in the room
It just contradicts parts of the story the forces limits are only those you put on it too actually..... You ain't got enough midichlorians
@@BillRoyMcBill That's okay, Ewan McGregor is no Obi-Wan Kenobi in my eyes.
You can also tell a good world, because sometimes the fans (and even official writers) will find a way to justify things that have been stated officially about the world that otherwise wouldn't make sense even in the rhetorical universe of the setting.
Keeping to the Star Wars example, we have the statement that the Millenium Falcon is so fast, it can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. For a while, this statement caused some confusion; how is a measure of distance a proof of speed without an accompanying time component? Well, the eventual canon explanation was that the Falcon's hyperspace drive was fast enough to shoot the gap between two black holes, saving roughly 8 parsecs of distance versus the traditional hyperspace route, and therefore saving time. (This was made canon even before the Solo movie, so it isn't a Disney thing). It's akin to a muscle car using a ramp to take a shortcut in an action movie, and watching the slower cars fall short.
That is the product of a true fan; coming at the world from within its own framework to explain an anomaly in the storytelling, and doing it well enough that it becomes the accepted explanation. It's not created arbitrarily, requires no retcon of any sort, and even elevates what was really just a throw-away line into a genuinely badass bit of bragging rights.
As far as I can recall, Star Wars has daemons, of a sort, and the expanded lore of the old universe has xenocides aplenty, including a xenocidal death cult that ruled the galaxy for a while. No chainsaw swords though, although their vibroblades do almost the same thing with far less maintenance.
Both are very similar derivatives of Dune, I loved all three equally. For me the distinction was the style; 40k Grim Dark Edgy, Dune Political Sandbox, Star Wars Spiritual Samurai Knights. All three are being homogenised in modern iterations imo.
See in the south we got a similar term.
See a yankee is someone from up north.
A damn yankee is someone who moves from the north.
A 'tourist' is actually a POTENTIAL fan, although they're often too casual to stay. They'll ooo, they'll ah, and then they'll likely move on. If they stay, they often want to learn more.
What you're describing is a 'Squatter' as @Aserbic (Below me at the moment) accurately points out.
They are fandom colonisers. They will also hate it when you call them that.
Imagine if someone would paint some MAGA Marines.
MIGA
Make
Imperium
Great
Again
@@dankmemes8254 Don't misspell that first letter though
@@dankmemes8254 The Emperor of Mankind would definitely approve.
'Poseur' was a common phrase for these types.
There's a key difference between pride colored Space Marines, and those McMarines. The pride colored ones are created by people that would love to make those schemes and ideas official canon lore. The McMarines were only ever intended to be a joke, and no one actually want's them anywhere near official canon.
Which is one of the most important distinctions between real fans and fake fans. The real fans know the lore so well they can make dumb jokes and memes about it, while keeping them separate in their minds. The tourists cannot separate ANYTHING. To them, real life, politics, memes, and official lore are all the exact same thing. Which is why they cannot understand why the real fans will laugh at something like the McMarines, while hating their pride Marines.
And, this is why having strong and stable lore is important as well. Because without concrete rules to play within, how can anything exist outside them, either? The concept of McDonalds Marines is funny, because it is so far outside the official lore of Warhammer that its absurd. And all us real fans know that, accept that, and laugh at it. We don't want to actually make McDonalds canon in 40k, or give them their own chapter of Space Marines, because we know that would be stupid. In fact, its funny because its so stupid, so we make jokes about it instead of making it official.
This is also why I have never liked any kind of pop culture crossovers. For one thing, it always feels super lazy to just draw Mario with a lightsaber or whatever. But it also dilutes the integrity of each of the individual universes that you are combining. And, its a slippery slope from simply giving Mario a Lightsaber, to going full Fortnite and ruining everything for everyone.
Now, don't get me wrong, I love theory wars as much as the next nerd. Being able to argue about things like whether or not the Death Star could take on a Blackstone Fortress is an ancient rite of passage for true fans. As long as you accept that the two shall not, and should not, ever actually meet.
My favorite part about becoming a fan of something is advocating for its fundamental change so it no longer represents what I was supposedly a fan of.
"We must laugh at GW to avoid crying for it." - Arch, maybe 🤔
Calling them Colonizers get them going too. Especially when you point the similarities to them
As seen in a bar in Florida "If you can't shoot them why is it called tourist season."
One argument I've seen is them trying to reverse our accusations back on us - that in trying to gatekeep real-world politics out of our hobby spaces, we are ourselves attempting to enforce our own form of politics onto our hobby space. And so in their eyes we ourselves are still adhering to the "everything is political" principle that we are trying so desperately to disprove.
At this point I'm done trying to point out how that accusation is little more than meaningless projection and gaslighting. I'm just going to say "Yes I am, and my politics is NO politics. So kindly GTFO."
At this point, if I see the slightest hint of woke or real life politics in a product, I immediately stop supporting it with my money. They will not learn any other way, vote with your wallets, people.
I remember in-universe Star Wars explanations for sound in space and a negation of midichlorians in the old EU books:
Space sound was said to be a system built into most starships, simulating what the external noise would be in order to help maintain a sort of intuitive battlefield awareness for the pilots.
And I recall a scientist that described midichlorians as just a theory on The Force that had been debunked during the Imperial era: they're a thing, but it was more correlation than causation.
Not perfect, but I quite liked those explanations.
We all begin as tourists, once we get into the setting, we either become fans or anti-fans, depending on our reaction to it.
It also depends if we can allow suspension of disbelief properly, Tolkien himself said that if you disrupt the internal logic of a setting, you lose people.
true. we shouldn't call anti-fans tourists. we should instead call them hobby colonisers. use their own words and rhetoric against them.
I like to break it down into two groups: consumers and enthusiasts.
The enthusiast has knowledge, passion, and sincere care for the hobby/franchise/art in question and because of such knowledge has a higher standard of quality compared to the average person. He deeply cares about the subject and wants to so it reach its fullest potential. They want more people to be involved, but only if they will have the same level of care for the art that they do. They tend to be the most critical because, like a master chef, they have a refined palet and will be able to tell when something is sub par and will not be afraid to be honest about it.
The consumer, on the other hand, does not have the same level of passion, knowledge, or care as the enthusiast. He may only be interested because it is either trendy or because it a place where he may use it for his self interest. He lacks the same level of knowledge, passion, and care that the enthusiast has, if he has any at all. Because he lacks those things he is unable to be truly critical of the art and may not even care about seeing the art reach its fullest potential. He just consumes product unthinkingly until he grows bored and moves onto the next shiny thing that catches his attention.
Corporations love the consumer because, unlike the enthusiast who may be critical and will not spend money on something he knows to be low quality, the consumer either doesn't care or lacks the abikity to discern what good quality is. He will take whatever he is given and all the corporation has to do is make sure they keep his attention with enough shiny things to keep him coming back.
What we are seeing now is that consumers are being cater too more than the enthusiasts. And all art is suffering because of it.
Mindless consumers are another source of tourism that must be gatekept. Remember, your hobby is for anyone, not everyone. And consumers are everyone; millions of known sales recorded fueling the corpos in the video game industry for example. They are counter-productive to an effective resistance especially with their favorite weapon - toxic positivity - but luckily, they are financing the next crash for us.
Love you arch. Btw we won on helldivers
we will win on warhammer next and then take back battletech!
For now.
@@LordOfBalIs Don't you do that. Don't you make me hope.
No, the community managers who were throwing around the ist and phobe bans, and called grummz a rapist and their community sexual deviants is still there.
They only said that the May 6 update won't go forward. That doesn't mean they won't try to make PSN mandatory after things have calmed down.
I'm into my hobbies because they're fun. I have never picked up a 40k mini, but I drive 12 hours a day for work. So I've consumed probably over 10,000 hours of 40k lore via audiobooks, youtube documentaries, and lore exploration videos like Arch does while working. No idea how to play tabletop, but I know a fucking ton about this setting. So when the political tourists show up, and all of a sudden Custodes have women, that throws up a ton of red flags and ruins the continuity. I don't give a fuck about the politics of the writers, or other fans. I give a fuck about the continuity of the stories I'm listening to.
Y’all really should become fans of Kaiju, the worst tourism we get is the environmentalism.
Which is actually pretty funny at times, especially when it’s something like Hedorah.
Of course. I use 2 copies of jizukru in my cyber dragon deck lol
No, don't. How do you think this all started to get so nasty in 40k and tabletop wargaming to begin with? lol.
It was the people running from Star Wars that brought this unto stuff like Warhammer, Battletech, etc.
@@t-rex_tion9612 …oh you’re a Zane Truesdale wannabe.
@@ASNS117Zero
Godzilla turns to the camera: “Hello, Audience, Big G here, now I could destroy this major city and fight that giant crab monster, but I wanted to talk to you about the current state of Israel and Palestine. Afterwards we’ll discuss gender equality in the modern age, and finish it up with me demanding the Japanese use my preferred pronouns.”
Might work in 40k, probably not in the Big Lizard franchise
@@Zhtrik You know just as well as I do that isn't how they'd do it.
They'd express it through the human cast, and use the kaiju as poorly dressed-up allegories to their point.
They'd probably make up something like Zilla from the original 1998 Godzilla movie in how it can lay eggs despite being male, and then have the human cast wax eloquent about their gender theory or whatnot.
The "Pride Flag" seems to have morphed into a more excessive, garish depiction of an ideology than it used to represent, growing ever more colorful, and never being enough. Definitely the work of Slaanesh.
I have to Object on one thing and I assume Arch KNOWS this: Muscle women were the exclusive domicile of Nerds even before the Internet was taken over by Normies and leftoids. Search any "Heavy Metal Magazine" from the 80's and early 90's... hell just find some of the Battletech illustrations from that era. They weren't very good, but it was definitely a focus of the old school alpha geeks and not the Betas who cry "dommy me mommy" today
Unironically using "alpha" and "beta'
Lmfao...
@@Only2GendersExistIt's nowhere near as cringe as your comment though 😂
The moment you try to change something to fit your flavor of the month. You're not a fan.
I've taken to posting to their Twitter every post. It brings me joy to voice my displeasure and tell others about 3d printer options. The only way to force change, as demonstrated with Disney is to remind the corporations for these creative products where the money comes from, us the majority.
Those three definitions of "tourist" are all ways of saying "Tumblerites who no longer have Tumbler".
In addition to the tourist coming in and changing everything to suit themselves, they will inevitably leave because it no longer has anything different to attract them.. leaving ruin in their wake.
It's crazy how I, the Emperor's Children player, a Slaaneshi army with flamboyant pinks and bright colors all about infinite depravity. Don't want Female Custodes and find the the whole muscle mommy thing for Custodes to be kinda cringe.
seems like even Slaanesh has limits.
joke aside, if people really want a muscle mommy in 40k, there are other factions that are way more fitting.
Incorrect. The 'Pride Flag' was an intentional corruption of a biblical symbol. That that symbol was also something that children learning biblical stories latched onto was the reason it was chosen to begin with. Malice.....
Suffer not, The Activist, The Tourist, and The Fetishist.
The funny part is that its not the tourist preventing any good HP from being made its JK's obsession with modern day politics and "inclusion" that kills her ability to write anything good anymore. Same reason why we will never get the game of thrones books, a good bethesda game or another good studio produced comic book movie.
Slaanesh takes over Star Trek is something I'd pay to see.
I thought that's what we'd had since 2009.
0:45 Oi Tom! When Someone makes a silly homebrew chapter said maker doesn't demand that his or her idea become cannon!!
Another important point in distinguishing Fans from Tourists; is that fans can and do have rifts within their universe [Kirk v Picard Atlantis V SG1]. These rifts are inherently non political.
The Tourist will use these rifts to “justify their existence.” IE they will use the argument of “Its a big universe with lots of factions, so why can’t I have mine.” On its face their argument is logical and seemingly non-partisan.
In reality their argument is “Your politics are represented, so why not mine.” This is why politics must stay out of hobbies and why gate keeping is an inherent requirement for maintaining the congruence of any universe.
TL;DR: "Call me a Killjoy. But I think because this is not to my taste, no one else should be able to enjoy it." - Marge Simpson.
A hobby Tourist and/or Anti-Fan is a Marge Simpson.
With added aggravant of being outraged for you actually calling a Marge Simpson a "Killjoy" and wanting your head on a pike for it.
Jokes aside, they're more like the Borg Collective. "We are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile." They say as they proceed to wipe civilizations out of the face of the universe.
Fortunately 40k fans are well equipped for the notion that we cannot fight ruinous powers through a lack of belief; we can only fight them through belief in a positive vision.
I never knew i needed spray-painting simulator so much in my life
Star Wars, Video Games, Indiana Jones, Warhammer 40k, Star Trek, Anime, etc are all infected by tourist.
Powerwash Simulator Warhammer 40k addon was awesome.
Totally agree with you. What a person wants out of something and why is of upmost importance.
despite final fanatsy 14 being a self insert mental illness magnet i still love the setting and how its not inserting current day IRL politics. i've overheard an argument between guild members. Both attacking each other over their media literacy by discussing a very popular character. Person 1 discussed the role of the character and their journey to coming to such a conclusion. Person 2:" YES BUT I DONT CARE BOUT HIS JOURNEY HE MADE THE CONCIOUS DECISION TO INVENT FACISM IN THE SETTING AND AS A PERSON OF THE FLAG I GET REMINDED THAT MY PEOPLE ARE PERSECUTED!".
person 3 other bystander:"yeah i just wanna bang the character or ship him with his best friend"
This is probably your best video in a very long time, Arch, frankly fantastic.
I call them colinizeer because they dont seek to join the fandom they seek to rule it.
Sorry but that's inaccurate colonisers atleast care about the long health as they intend to stay.....
These people will drop the hobby as soon as it's not popular making them even worse
real fans like everything about the franchise's story. nothing can go out of the place or be altered, everything must be loyal to the original source. theres no such a thing like "Things to be fixed" or "Things to be improved", the good and bad things of the original source is a must and should never change.
how can someone call themselves a "fan" of something they don't even like, something they think it needs to be "fixed"? you either like it or don't like it. plain simple. and if they don't like, then they're not fans.
I really love that one guy trying to defend female custodes by pointing out Non-Canon Fanmade meme Marine chapters exist. Thats like pointing and a badly written fanfic to make a straight character gay.
Mediclorians in star wars were never a measure of potential in the first place. Just a measure of sensitivity. More mediclorians, means a stronger sensitivity to the force. It does not mean one's potential is limited, because connecting to the force is a practiced and constant growth.
Fantastic breakdown Arch. Good job!
To defend the Star Wars argument, specifically the true EU canon that Disney shat on, Arch... Star Wars already has something like Daemons and a Chaos Goddess. The place where Sith souls go is literally called Chaos. The Force in Star Wars is like a placid Warp, pre-War in Heaven Sea of Souls parallel.
I would more argue that Psykers are stolen from the Jedi, as GW has the privy to do. But I suppose it depends which came first, lol.
Well spoken as always Master Arch. And since you called the tourists and anti fans aliens to our universe then I propose a Deathwatch style of response in kind.
Honestly I've already jumped ship when GW started threatening fan animator and said "Warhammer is for everyone!" I'll just look in from time to time just to see how far 40k has fallen.
At least those admitting to something being a fetish are honest about it. I had an online friend for a few years when he said to me that he was wanting to go on hormone replacement and eventually get breast implants. I asked him why, fearing that he was hopping on the trend and didn't fully understand the potential risks involved. He had never struck me as the progressive type, nor did he seem to buy in to the whole 'diversity' scam. He came right out and told me he wanted to because it was his fetish. He was 19 at the time, so I didn't have an issue with him making the choice himself. I did inform him of the risks, and he admitted that he hadn't been told that there were such risks with hormone replacement by anyone else. Last I spoke with him (been a few months now), he's getting on fine and is paying close attention to his health.
But too many tourists think there is nothing but benefit from what they are trying to do, either they are to naive to realize the cost of what they are doing, too delusional from the propaganda they've consumed, or outright malicious in their intent.
The fandom is infested with Slaanesh. Where are the Inquisitions?