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to no one's surprise majority of comments are venting about oppressive Prism hunters. **Obviously I don't like that balancing scheme.** Did you even watch the video?
any discussion on OP this, oppressive that... is a comparison.
Not that I agree with the specific balancing scheme, but devil's advocate take: maybe they’d argue that prism hunter wouldn’t be OP at all if bungie never nerfed launch stasis, Titan skating, double icarus dash, omnioculus, etc.
Again, a reminder… I still prefer launch Destiny 2 balancing scheme. Imo PvP is fun when primaries are primary.
Real ones remember when cammy said he doesn't like hunters
video was good, just ill timed, ib has really forced the playstyle on people. i for one, love of the wild creativity you can do with hunter, theres a lot of things that you can fire off one after another to achieve a wild power fantasy. thats one reason solar warlock is wild and fun. you can get a good flow going where your abilities can compliment the movement and proc something that synergizes. which is why i was a behemoth main until they made the slide changes plus prismatic is somewhat of a better stasis now with knockout lance. now im struggling to find something in titan that fired off those neurons old behemoth did. been mixing and matching things to see what i can find, but nothing just yet. but on hunter bakris + spectre, tether, blink is insanely fun.
Your enjoyment of the game due to the execution of prismatic hunter and its neutral game is great, but with hunters specifically having access their best aspects across all 5 subclasses + exotic class items + them making up the most of the player base it pretty much makes any discussion about hunters automatically negative. They need to either give warlocks/titans better neutral aspects/abilities or nerf/remove certain combos for hunters. I hope they do the former.
I think Prismatic is kind of unique because the possibility space for nerfs seems limited. So much of the kit is inherently tied to one button and one cooldown - dodge is an evade, a slow, a clone, a second melee, invis on the back-end, etc. Which you can combine with multiple dodge charges and Inmost Light, and then multiply by every player running it. I absolutely love the skill ceiling and wild stuff that you can do, but 90% of the potency is much dumber.
I really don't see them actually replacing any of individual parts of the kit, and any foundational/structural changes will be reigned in by both the base subclasses AND PvE. So we're kind of left with the possibility of... cooldown and damage value changes, which don't seem like they really cover it. Maybe just a lack of imagination on my part, but I think Bungie have kind of cornered themselves with this one
If you hit ascension right before your grapple ends, you get a crazy burst of momentum which is very fun for clips.
or blink
its not that you gain momentum, its that you get to keep it out of the grapple!
Blink with the momentum of strand then use asension
I love building in PvP around what makes for the coolest clip rather than what is the most effective tactics, because even if it only works 10% of the time the dopamine of hitting that clip kill is 100x greater than a basic kill.
I gotchu with this montage including that combo 😙🤔
i stg every single gunfight i get into involves a swarm nade, a smoke bomb, and a clone being thrown at me. somethings gotta get tuned back because its honestly too much
They're looking into a nerf soon
@@ned9542"Soon", like Stasis Hunter soon or oops-Titan-found-a-build soon?
He's right you do get a lot of hate with final warning and its always from people with meta in every slot. I've noticed even their transmogs are the same, red war gear with superblack, warlock trials helmet etc. Its like their fit reflects their loadout just a lack of creativity.
For me the biggest highlight has probably been the class item. The option to have a good handling in neutral on any class thanks to Ophidians made me try many new guns/options.
I can finally use my felwinters on other classes than warlock again
literally the main thing that has kept me exclusively on prism hunter. I'm not using threaded specter, and I switch off smoke for threaded spike plenty. I'm not even using the new super except when I needed arc super kills for IB. I would probably bounce around classes, but having Ophidians on hunter is so nice that I can't let it go.
Cammy man, after a weekend of iron banner, and as a warlock on the team, 85% of my games were a majority of hunters with 3 or more on my team with Titans basically being a unicorn lmao. Being able to dodge, place a clone, heal, get the melee back, and go invis is just insanely frustrating. Hunters just throw out everything in their pocket like Moon Knight with, "Random Bullshit, go!" With enough Prism Hunters, the game goes from annoying to oppressive. Its just not fun to play against a clone and smoke bomb literally every other fight lmao
This 100%
To add to that, radar manipulation is fine when it can be one or two things extra you have to think about. But to have worry about clones, smokes and skulking wolf, stylish executioner all at the same time from 75% of the enemy team is a bit much.
Don't forget about when supers come up in IB and its 4+ storm's edges being cast back to back and you're in and out of the spawn screen from hunters teleporting on you with instant death tornados.
While the more viable weapon and class options and balancing I'd say totally keeps things from feeling completely unplayable, the current situation gives me vibes back to peak Shatterdive, Arc Week 2019 buffed Bottom Striker(+ broken exotics), Spec Blade Hunter, original broken Nova Warp lock, etc.
That being said 3's doesn't feel as awful but 6's is absolutely garbage at this point and I want the bags of crack the 2 whole Bungie pvp employees are smoking with consciously making Storm's Edge able to run as many scams as it can because again it's like when you used to go light speed on Nova Warp, have very little expenditure of super on blasts, and could tag people through hard solid objects like thick walls. There's very few ways to escape it and even other supers throwing everything but kitchen sink can still get destroyed.
boohoo i bet you main osiomancy or bubble titan and wouldnt push without os or a freeze
With your comment of not learning the harder items, thats why i've taken it upon myself and started using Final warning
i don’t know why they threw checkmate in the trash for 6v6 is was a better system than whatever we have now
It was better for high level players, but they explained why it wasn't sustainable in a twab a few weeks/months ago. Good players were getting something like 5x the special compared to noobs, which is just not sustainable. It also made non-shotgun specials completely irrelevant.
I liked it more, but that wasn't ideal for most players and it was never going to work long term.
@@groundwater9120I hated checkmate I don’t understand people wanting to almost eliminate a key part of destiny 2’s identity
the 1KD ammo system, bots need special and couldnt get any during checkmate system
it was only better for the higher skill players, comment explained it but thought id agree either way
I don't know that the 1KD ammo system really accomplishes the goal of balancing the special ammo economy between high skill players in a lobby vs a low skill player.
High skill players are still swimming in special ammo which they will use more effectively against the low skill players.
Only now there is effectively no point in a game where they won't have ammo and really just removes the strategy of baiting ammo that checkmate brought.
I also haven't noticed any meaningful changes in special weapon composition either. Haven't checked any usage rates but it still feels like over 90% of all special weapons are shotguns.
Grapple, to blink, to grapple melee, to mask of bakris with smoke and threaded specter and winter shroud. That and using khepri sting with grapple one shots you can get stylish executioner off it. Just a few things I found in my own prism experimentation.
Khepri's sting activates on a grapple melee?
I’ve found that Khepri’s doesn’t one shot all the time.
Yes it does @@miller8886
Spirit of synthos works on grapple melee, quite devastating if you can pull it off
Absolutely trash. May as well get rid of the guns
I still don't understand how they thought storms edge was balanced in pvp when they released it
You'd be surprised the amount of times it doesn't work
It's not as busted as people say. The amount of times hunters whiff that super or end up hitting the wall next to them has been the occurrence for me while in the crucible.
When I played it half the ppl who knows im going for them knows how to dodge it. Vertical movement to where I cant target or swipe with the aoe.
it’s not broken
@@los_reyes1872 I mean i main blink so i haven't really experienced the humiliation of being killed with the storms edge. I have just heard alot of people complain about how it gets 3 charges and how viable it is in most situations.
I’ve not seen 6 stacks of all one class except prismatic hunters
I just wished we had that flexibility in build crafting with titans, for both, pve and pvp :C
Agree, smoke bomb is too strong right now and clone doge needs a cooldown nerf. but prismatic overall has really allowed creativity. my trials build ended up using one thing from every subclass. which is super dope
“I love prism Hunter because everything is strong…skill gap”
People still don’t realise over shield Titan is insane - just change the super from bubble etc. love hunters
I know you mentioned Bakris at the start but it's genuinely a dream come true I can Blink AND Bakris together!!
I'm using a very similar build to Drewskys Bakris Build but swap out Grapple for Snowglobe + Smoke wombo.
If Nezzy would F'N give me Conditional I'd run that & I've been messing about with the new Seasonal 180 with Keep Away & Precision Instrument.
It's like a weird off meta, meta build haha, loving it atm!
5:44 I feel so seen ;u;
U asked for a prismatic build, you are getting one :p
The main idea is to get the 2 shot on the new 120 scout using raident + desperate measures + hipfire grip
Aspect : stylish
Fragment : Dawn/ honor / blessing / dominance
Ability : threaded spike + magnetic
Exotic : frostees / anything that is fun to you
Idea simple
Once you get a tag with the primary/shotgun.. your spike/magnetic can get a free kill
This free kill is turned into invis + 2 tapping legendary DMT (desperate measures activates even if stowed)
Personally I use a slug And aim at the body intentionally to get enough damage without killing
It's easy to learn and quite powerful
The major problem of prismatic hunter is something that has been said in this video. All of the annoying things that were before in a balanced class are now all compiled in 1 class.
You see them throwing seeker grenade + smoke? Well either you tank it and hope they don´t follow up, forcefully reposition or take advantage of it and rush them.
Rushing is a bad option because they just dodge into another smoke bomb and double jump instantly making you an easy target being slowed, disoriented and with the exotic boots on top of it without a radar.
So the only option is to reposition. If they have more then 1 then this game of tag continues until either you are caught, they have nothing but are in much better positions or they make a major mistake and fumble their attack and die.
You have so much spam, so much play AND counter play, the best super in the game by far, tons of chip damage, tons of arena manipulation and be on hunter, the class with the best jump in the game unless you use heat rises as a warlock but even that can be argued that no matter what skill bracket you are, you have a complete package to actually do well.
It´s good at every skill level and the more skilled you are the more you can get out of it. That is a major problem. And even if you take the radar takeaway pants away, you still have extreme amounts of stuff you can do and can focus on each aspect viably, reliably with many, many exotics.
There is a major difference between "oh shit, he managed to make this exotic work because of this interaction with that setup with this subclass? Never thought of that but he is wiping the floor with us with that, very impressive" and "oh he is playing prismatic hunter... yeah makes sense why he could do that"
Creativity comes from restrictions. If you are restricted and you manage to figure out a combo no one else managed to find and it works great then you are creative. If you pick the best options out of everyone available because they are simply the best options then it´s not being creative at all.
Like you said yourself, if give to many options, people gravitate to simply the best one and spam that. And this will happen in every skill bracket. This time it happens to be that prismatic hunter is amazing in every skill bracket, which is why it needs to get nerfed.
However i do have to say that they are in a unique position where they can balance the prismatic classes by simply replacing one thing with another. Swarm to op on this subclass? swap it with another solar grenade.
I am all for skill expression, and all for "if something is difficult to pull off then it should be rewarding", but currently, prismatic hunter is not it.
I did not expect to be called out for my "I accept I cannot move and aim at the same time" getaway osteo build like this. You're not wrong either, it gets people MAD.
Excited to see Swarm nades rolled back, specters hit with a long cooldown, and smoke bombs have their linger duration reset. Maybe then this subclass will be fun to play against.
Do you plan on making a riposte review
I feel like clones are more annoying than actually lethal. Like, you can hear a hunter dodge. So you know there's gonna be a clone there. The clone itself isn't going to actually kill you very often. It might GET you killed, but rarely is it going to be directly dealing the lethal damage. Whereas prismatic titan gets concentration with juggernaut and unbreakable, and warlock gets speaker helm, you can get blink with the arc uppercut, and you can get multiple arc uppercuts. All of those are either directly lethal or, in the case of the speaker helm, life extending for a whole team.
Personally, I feel like the SECOND prismatic hunter gets tuned, expect the other two prismatic classes to become the new scourge. I always try to base my Hunter build around neutral play. I've never been a fan of gambler's dodge, cause I've never valued my melee ability enough to want to deal with slower cool downs. Also, I feel like the dodge reload is SEVERELY underrated and has been for years. People just like the slick gambler's animation more. I've found myself maining a relativism with Dragon and Coyote, as it allows me to have extra leeway to get out of a sticky situation while also giving me the option to attack with crazy handling and making sure all my guns are fully reloaded. Needless to say, I still doubt we'll be seeing anything but Stompees at the top for exotic usage on hunters, as while hunters might have useful abilities, at the end of the day, none are more valuable to the general player than the extra speec of stompees. Sure, clones and smokes and swarm nades are annoying. But if you ask me, I hate getting nuked by a consecration slam or warlock teleport uppercut infinitely more than I do fighting some jackass trying to be sneaky with a threadling clone
Is there a breakdown of the build you're running in this video anywhere? Looks like a blast
I have an exotic cloak with spirit of the assassin and spirit of the liar, I love pairing it with combination blow and radiant with blink. The ultimate uno reverse setup once it’s active, like sudden death can appear out of nowhere and it’s insanely fun
Your choice of kinetic tremors multi mach and the severing burst. Invis off of kill. As well as a tremors and a tangle detonation at the kill spot. Great for weakening targets
Blink/ phoenix dive/ electro surge warlock is also cracked rn
@@Xtinkxiion if you have a class item with necrotic and claws you can use a better neutral melee, like the penumbral blast, and ditch arcane needle.
Opens up more in your toolbox than the traditional surge only warlocks I usually run into.
1:33 what was that play/technique?
My build before prism was strand hunter + mechaneers + forerunner and the sidearm of the month, now I can run all the parts I love about strand, without needing the super, plus adding radiant dodge makes sidearms have crazy ttks
I love mag grenades and pretty much only use prism hunter for them im not a fan of void hunter so having access to them with a more aggressive kit is why i enjoy it the aspects that are gonna get nerfed wont affect the way i play it thankfully,mag grenades do 140 dmg when you stick someone allowing alot of things to be able to follow up with and get the kill smoke bombs work on some resilience so you can wombo combo like on void, mag grenades are underrated
To me anyways i will forever find it funny to have a discount needlestorm with the new boots. Full strand plus 2 threadling Nades and the boots and it's hysterical.
Loving ascension with blink
Khepri's Sting + Fioritura. Niche, sure, but being able to use Sting in a more aggressive way - Fioritura with Repulsor Brace or Swash- it's a lot more fun and effective than I had imagined at first.
Only prism build I've been really using is frostees constant ability uptime makes getting debuffs a breeze in pvp so I can use my hawkmoon and gunnoras more to enjoy my weapons and get transcendence at the same time as super,giving me far more enjoyment than I was having with the big meta builds
Whips out ghost
Refuses to elaborate
He did mention it. Animation cancel so he could jump again mid air
Yeah would love to know what that’s about! He seems to do it mainly while in air so I wonder if it’s related to a movement bug/tech. I doubt he’s just checking everyone’s super while mid-air.
@@asystematec Pretty sure it cancels the grapple and allows the jump reset
He breaks down the clip when he plays it a 2nd time around. The grapple into pulling out the ghost is his way of canceling the grapple to gain an additional jump.
I mean, you and all Hunter mains…
I rewinded the video to see that crazy ass play legit 7 times before I still didn’t fully comprehend (pulling out the ghost mid nuclear launch phase is wild🤯) only to see him break it down and rewind it himself 😩😩
Cammy, I'm a relatively competitive person and I used to be pretty big into destiny before I got ultra competitive in Esports, I'm wondering where I can get into these scrims/sweats at. Is it just in a discord? If so which ones? I'm open to anything, joining a team, scrimming on a regular basis, whatever it takes. None of the in game game modes are hard enough
You mentioned titan and warlock and it made wonder is there Solar Titan build that is viable and does not rely on Loreley/Precious Scars and uses neutral game exotic, for example: Dunemarchers?
Best thing I can think of offhand is to try to build around Hammer Strike, but prismatic probably does that better tbh. Same with Consecration.
@@life-destiny1196 Peregrines with hammer strike and fragments that buff Ignitions is fun but bulding around shoulder charge on Arc or Void will provide the same or even better result
When the video talks about skill and expression, I feel like that’s something titans are lacking. I can’t speak for warlocks, but it feels like all Titan skill expression goes into things like PK tech or Lion Rampant builds. I know skating is still kinda a thing, but the peak of that mountain is cryo skating, that just got nerfed. It all just feels flat compared to what threadrunner and prismatic hunter get access to.
Am I wrong? Tell my why I’m wrong, I would love to explore some new Titan gameplay
Titan main here…so OP, I use Hunter exclusively in PVP
It’s not that specter, smoke bomb and swarm grenades are super crazy (though swarm grenades do need to be brought down just a tad) it’s the play-style. It’s the, “holy crap someone chipped me I better dodge and throw everything to disengage, and since I have an exotic class item, I can do several times if they want to follow.”
Still not sure why bungie wants the current ammo system. Makes sense for control but I feel ammo meter is way more fun in most other gamemodes
I’ve been loving blink and grapple together. I would have loved access to invis dodge but being able to stylish exe with the headshots is stupid strong. Thinking of trying ascension to get maximum airborn movement. Although the meta option is ability spam, I think prism hunter will always have viability as a high broad mobility class, getting to a lane or any power position first every time.
I still really like Stasis Hunter, I just use it with Stomp-ee5, Shatterdive, Touch of Winter, Glacier Grenade, Whisper of Fissures, Torment, Conduction, and Impetus. Since Final Shape for some reason my Shatterdive has not been consistently activating
I really like what you said at the end about a deathcam you can celebrate. It's why I LOVED Strand hunter before specter, when I died to it, normally the other player was going fast and breaking my ankles which to me is a super cool way to play. Its not *neccessarily* higher skill or objectively better than very slow loadouts, but my neuron gets tingles when the game plays extremely fast like with grapples, or blink, or extreme speed dawnblades, or even OG movement stasis titan. If you pair these with high speed primary play instead of a shotgun? Chef's kiss.
Alternatively, holding angles with barricades, shotguns, wish ender, clones, lingering abilities, threadlings, and turrets does the opposite where it might be skillful, or comples builds, but personally it makes me have negative fun.
Titan mains in shambles 😢
I just miss stasis peacekeepers man
I just love having blink to be quite honest lol.
My main hunter exotic for a while has been Assassin's cowl, just feels great to get a melee kill go invise and heal all at once. Used it with pretty much anything with swash, or golden tri. Still using it right now lol
The other side of prism hunter that i absolutely love is Bakris + Blink
6:58 the actual *teleports behind you*, "nothing personal kid" moment
I've been having a lot of fun with what I've been calling a "discombobulate build" that uses Winter's Shroud and Threaded Specter with Bombardiers, using Storm's Edge for blind on the Bombardier bombs. The idea is that anytime someone tries to get close to me, all I have to do is dodge and they get slowed, blinded, and hit with threadlings. It's pretty good for discouraging super aggressive enemies, allowing me to run more mid/long range weapons without having to worry about folding every time someone rounds the corner with a shotgun. Or alternatively, it's also a good option if I want to be the super aggressive player by giving me an extra option in a hectic close quarters fight. I guess everyone's been running Winter's Shroud/Threaded Specter so it might not be very original, but I've been having a lot of fun with the versatility of it.
I'm using final warning like shit with my crappy bot-walk. Considering you can fly around like a bird, peek the opponent just a bit then back to cover before they realize they have been marked for certain death. But sometimes I do find success facing prismatic hunters. When that happens, it's all worth the swarm/smoke/clone torture.
I think a part of it is that, even tho the lines between the classes can get blurred, they are still three classes based loosely around "Healer, Tank, DPS/Scout". The Hunter kit is always going to be based around movement and being sneaky, and when pvp is so heavily influenced by the radar and a player's ability to move, Hunters are gonna come out on top. The whole Smoke+Scatter+Spectre is just the easiest route to take at the moment.
I love to blink, grapple, blink then grapple melee and then hit ascension.
As of July 9th. 29% of ppl are giving this video a thumbs down. Ouch.
@@lgtokyo2665 we love cammy. we despise prismatic hunter. I get that the backlash is kind of unfair for this video, just the worst possible timing
hey cam, i was the player you juked with the ascension and grapple cancel, i got my ankles broken so hard trying to rocket you lmao. it was an honor to play against you in my rumble matches yesterday
Glaze king
“It was an honor to play against you”. Mad simp energy in this comment
Personal favorite (though I am absolutely not good enough to actually do the stuff i try to) is bakris with blink and grapple. So many gunfights have been free because my opponent literally ran out of mousepad.
"why i love prismatic hunter in pvp" you and everyone else my man
Hunters have a 52% usage rate on week 180 (20th July) of trials. With prismatic hunter having a 41.7% usage.
i don't think it's good but if you radiant dance machines dodge near someone you can do a bunch of ascensions for free
Facet of Solitide lets me turn crimson into a 35m Rat King with stylish executioner. Everything else is just a bonus.
Prism hunter is pute cheese. Im maining it rn but its broken and unfun to play against
Using Smoke+Duskfield+Slow Dodge+Threaded Spectre has allowed me to play my primary with so much ease. Being able to slow down smg and shotgun players has enabled me to play more confortably as a sniper+handcannon player, I just don't need to worry as much as I used to about people pushing
it does help with the fact that they more or less completely rolled back the special ammo changes, and I guess the ability up time changes. I do hope they scale back special ammo when they scale back ability spam again. I hate feeling like I have to run something specifically to deal with apes.
"The other player not being able to move has made them easier to kill" no shit sherlock
@@JakeFish5058exactly lol I’m a Titan Main I finally completed the campaign on hunter for myself I’m now using prismatic hunter in PvP and I have already dropped 5 we rans in just a couple hours the class is absolutely broken too easy
The power level of this is not healthy for pvp
‘Argued that it’s over powered’ honestly, there is no argument, it is.
I also think it’s OP, but there is a reason I always add a disclaimer.
Now while I personally don’t like this tier of power in the game…
There is an argument because what is OP is relative to the other options. Like maybe they’d argue that prism hunter wouldn’t be OP at all if bungie never nerfed launch stasis, Titan skating, double icarus dash, omnioculus, etc.
Again, a reminder… I still prefer launch Destiny 2 balancing scheme. Imo PvP is fun when primaries are primary.
@@cammycakesgaming Would you ever make a plunge to a different game series that focuses on that kind of gun play you seek or is it just a career situation, too much tied up in Destiny to not rock algorithm boat, etc etc ? Not to say it's only you but you often come to mind of people who really want to be playing something else or could get an itch scratched out of Destiny. Also I feel like I could see you playing a fighter like Tekken or something where there's a never ending quest to better play.
Can’t say a prism build but double grapple with woven helm is still the best thing for me
I feel like I’m missing something with prismatic warlock in PvP. Devour is awesome, but I’m just not sure what to run with it to get the most bang for my buck or to be competitive
I run it this way (w/ a Claws + Ophidian class item):
- Bleak Watcher (Sub in Hellion for certain team comps) + Devour
- Vortex Grenade (Gives you utility; can either throw a turret or a weakening vortex. I use Watcher against Hunter + Warlock teams, Vortex against Titan barricades). Could also run Storm Grenade, but Titans do that sort of thing better anyway.
- Penumbral Blast (You get two from the class item, and it's the best warlock melee in the game on its own)
- Healing Rift (I know people like the Phoenix Dive, but it's honestly just not terribly useful unless you're running Heat Rises... which doesn't exist on Prismatic)
Also, if you don't run Burst Glide, I'm (and every warlock main in PvP is) going to rob you with a real gun.
As for facets:
- Dominance OR Solitude (If you really don't feel the need for the weaken or jolt on your grenade, go Solitude here. I personally switch to Facet of Solitude when I'm using Hellion because it's a much more peak-shot oriented build).
- Command (This could arguably switch out for Solitude so you still get your weakening/jolting nade AND moment-to-moment DR).
- Dawn (This is an evergreen pick for basically all of the Prism subs. It's too good not to take).
- Blessing (You're playing stasis-lock melee, getting mini-knockout is HUGE).
- Ruin (Big booms are good. We like big booms).
Now, supers... I run Nova Bomb (with an honorable mention for Song of Flame/Shadebinder for sixes). It makes the most sense for my build, and I usually play 3v3 game modes, so the other two aren't up often enough to define games unless I'm 4-4 and down to the wire. I also only run 60-70 intellect, so that probably plays into that choice.
My stat splits are 30 - 100 - 100 - 60 - 60 - 30. They could be better, but it's min-maxing I don't care to do for one subclass.
i would use the word overtuned, playing iron banner made me realize how annoying this is to play against, team that has 4 prism hunters is just impossible to go through a choke, everyone is running smoke, threaded specter and swarm nades, its legit a smoke/swarm combo in every doorway, then if you get into a fight they dodge to get the smoke back and pop threaded, it made me want to rip my hair out
Thank you cam for such based content! 🐐
Been playing alot of invis hunter but I just wanted to say you should try out Better devils with enhanced openin shot and moving target
I’ve gone back with titan strand I can’t stand using prismatic on it everything is on a long cooldowns and is obviously trash in comparison
1:28 is bro complaining about not enough options, then lists a bunch??? Bro... has no idea about pvp outside of hunters if he thinks 5/6 effextive playstyles off the top of his head is too little
Yo Cammy, I think you should consider doing a video on Khepris Sting. It seems very good for prismatic
hello! what are you rocking on your rose?
Looks like slideshot/explosive
I'm fine with the radar manipulation and the clones, I just don't think the smoke should slow
I thought I was cooking up an absolute storm: speedloaders with slice ib auto (or slice comp pulse or better devils depending on map size) on prism with stylish and threaded spectre. Dodge to get a load of handling and reload, ability to apply a 15% debuff to 3(?) enemies and then the ability to get wallhacks, invis, an orb, and onslaught after a kill following the dodge. In the future I would want to replace speedloaders with a dragons shadow sixth coyote class item. However, I have come to realise that sever does not work in pvp anymore since that big sandbox overhaul last year. Major bummer. Still a pretty cool build nonetheless
I basically main the quickfang with assassin's blade in pvp. I don't do it to be competitive or claim it's efficient but the way prismatic has enabled me to be even more obnoxious with it has really reinvigorated my love for PVP. Relativism with coyote & ophidia with threaded Spectre is beyond absurd.
I've searched your videos and have never seen you build around a quickfang build and I'd be absolutely over the moon to see your take on something like this.
I am hunting ophidia+coyote. I need that combo.
@@wy100101 it is glorious and I wish you good luck in rolling it
Imma be real with you, I have no idea how you're supposed to main a heavy weapon in PVP. I do love the silly edgy lightweight sword animation though.
@@life-destiny1196 you would be surprised how often players these days actually just ignore heavy in most 6v6 modes and if you intentionally track spawn times and try to control the heavy spawn area you can get heavy multiple times every game.
I have approaching 5000 PvP kills on multiple rolls of quick fang over the years and yes it was A LOT more difficult to get heavy before but nowadays I get it rather frequently. Some of my favourite gaming moments are the kill streaks achieved using quick fang in PvP, I even got a we ran out of medals with 18 quick fang kills and 2 golden gun shots.
Prior to prismatic I basically never took bakris off and I still exclusively play hunter.
I have some potato quality old footage on my CZcams uploaded just for shits and gigs.
I love playing Prismatic Hunter as well. I HATE playing against them tho.
Besides prismatic hunter being a problem, I think an issue we need to observe is that we have another week of IB with even more ability spamming, so I wish you all luck. Ik I’ll need it
Oh well... time to nerf titans
My favorite prism build is a bombadiers build with a clone n slow dodge people don’t really expect it .
Only PvP I've done is I.B., so nothing competitive. But the build I've been absolutely having a blast with is Khepri's Sting one-shot grapple melee. Khepri's activates off of the grapple melee and the extra smoke damage is enough to instantly kill guardians. It hasnt been 100% consistent, so I believe it may have a resilience cap. However, combine this with Heavyhanded, the radiant upon orb pickup artifact mod/radiant from charged melee fragment, and a swashbuckler Better Devils, then you got yourself a free 2-tapping 140 HC with wall hacks from just landing a grapple melee
I love prismatic hunter in both PVP and PVE. In PVE/ lucky raspberry Grenade spam build. PVP/ foetracer/ fighting lion damage increase build. 👍🏾
Only Bungie would drag us through an entire extended season of detailed crucible sandbox knob-tweaking (last season), and then barf prismatic Hunter all over the top of everything and completely destroy any semblance of balance in PvP. Way to go, Bungie!
I honestly think that bungie should go all in on the skills-based approach to character creation that prismatic brings as opposed to the older class-based approach of the past. It would make balancing less of a hassle (instead of trying to equalize one kit with another you simply need to equalize one skill with other equivalent skills) and it would keep the build freedom and creativity that many in the community seem to enjoy.
u gotta try ascension with strand super you can ascend about 7 times in a row can do some fun stuff
"the illusion of choice" swarm nade smoke bomb storms whatever
How do you make the radar so dark?
In the game play settings, there's an option for radar transparency.
@@liamwilliamson7694 you numbah 1!
The thing I'm actually enjoying the most isn't even about prism. It is being able to have ophidian on hunter. I can finally counter the clunky handling on not forgotten on hunter, and I love it. I've always said that if they ever game my Ophidians on hunter I would never take them off and this is proving to be true.
I've been abusing having radar pings again, but if it wasn't for ophidian, I'd probably be spending more time on strand just for the mobility of grapple.
W vid. The clone nerf before Final Shape was nice bc while they were still potent, it wasn't something you saw in EVERY game, as it required people to actually use the strand hunter kit, which has cons that come with it, and like you mentioned most people just use the easiest thing to keep up with higher skill ppl. Now people get clone without the downsides. Personally I'd have loved to see whirling maelstrom since it's so neglected.
Whirling Maelstrom is possibly my favorite aspect in the game, really fun PVE utility.
I agree it’s strong but I think Prisim Hunter is incredible. The idea that Bungie released it was a bold move that I admire. I’m get the same vibes that came when strand first released. Obviously it can be used to spam but theres so much inventive potential. A little tweak here and there.. my only concern is even with a balanced prism subclass it’ll always be the best choice -
A hunter version of Fox ditto, final destination.
hey chat, i use blink duskfield smoke slow and clone, am i cooked?
you will be when prism gets nerfed 🤠
Nope. As much as people are pissing and moaning about the main prismatic hunter build bungie isn't gonna hit it with a turbo nerf because they're terrified of pissing off all the hunter sweats because in their eyes that is their main pvp fanbase (hunters are considered the pvp class and has the most players). Smoke bomb JUST got buffed so it's safe, noones talking about duskfield so it's safe, and they can't turbo nerf half the aspects on prismatic hunter just because it's the main one people are picking so the nerfs either of them catch will be minor.
@@ShadowNemesis575a rework of the current aspects is much more likely than a complete nerf
@@ShadowNemesis575this. If shatterdive was allowed to exist for a full year, then prism isn’t gonna be nerfed anytime soon
I get so much hate for using fighting lion :(
It's a strong weapon that offers something very few other weapons do (threatening people around cover with no uptime limitations) while being frontloaded in damage like a bow is. It's dumb that people get so salty over loadouts, but not entirely surprising, either.
Also, if my time playing fighting games tells me anything, people will insult your choices of tools regardless of what you pick.
Just throwing it out there Cammy but I feel like Gambler's Dodge refunding melees are balanced. If Warlocks and Titans can use Mobility as a dump stat, why can't hunters use Strength as a dump stat? Especially if the cost of said dump stat involves burning a dodge?
I've seen people with like 30k plus kills on Mida, Sunshot, etc. When you really go at it with your favorite gun, you'll be much better. My favorite gun Happens to be rose. And elsie's rifle. Meta I KNOW, but I genuinly enjoy using them
For as much as I guard strand hunter clones and believe they should be nerfed, I am happy I finally have a good counter to shotgun aping titans
As a hunter main, that first 1:00 to 1:39 is wild af. I’m clearly not playing this game good enough. 😂
I like pretty much every prism hunter build, though I haven’t touched PvP yet.
Tbh I really wish Bungie would find more creative ways to balance kits than just shifting their power levels. Sometimes they do that, but other times they just give Citan’s double cooldown and also the barrier pops before you finish the casting animation.
I feel like Bungie is going to do that to specter, and I really hope they don’t. If people are getting oneshot by it, I hope that Bungie fixes that by addressing the core identity issue. Perhaps enemies hit my the explosion are debuffed, take little damage in PvP, and don’t spawn threadlings unless there’s nothing in detonation range.
My biggest gripe is that spirit of coyote is so much better and easier to use than every other column 2 exotic class item perk. I wanna run something like spirit of gyrfalconz and then run repulsor brace on my weapon so i get free overshields on kill, but why go through all that effort qhen you can just have a second dodge, keepung the dodge economy so much easier to manage? Even with how you cant carry over more than a full class ability's worth of energy when you die, its so dummy easy to get good value from it, especially with gamblers dodge gifting you another smoke bomb to throw down.
If your point of comparison is Spirit of Gyrfalcon, a lot of class items are gonna seem overtuned lol (its duration in PVP is much worse than PVE).