harry styles and the fanfiction to film pipeline 📝
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- čas přidán 20. 03. 2024
- although the concept of fanfiction has existed for hundreds of years, it wasn't until more recently that we began to see it in the mainstream. today we decided to take a look at the fanfiction to film pipeline and why harry styles has made such an impact.
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“Being sold by the parent” is the craziest fanfic trope. Why would your parents sell you to a popstar ??? Why tf would a popstar buy you 😭
I’m saying
Cuz they are unique and different of course
Wait isn't that how Prince got his "muse" tho?
lol I know it’s not quite the same but that’s lowkey what happened in Priscilla
So they can go down like P Diddy and R Kelly 😭
Not enough people realize how disturbing it is that people wrote graphic, inappropriate works about Harry Styles when he was seventeen. Imagine being a seventeen-year-old and finding out that strangers are writing about their gross, sexual fantasies involving you. It's a more commonplace scenario than we'd like to realize (i.e. an underage Natalie Portman receiving a letter from a fan detailing a rape fantasy) and I can't stress how disgusting it is.
I agree that adults should refrain from writing self insert rpf about teenaged celebrities, but I think the largest group of people writing 1D fic was most likely girls 11-18 tbh, which is a lot less creepy and a lot more just teens fantasizing. I think it’s the publishing houses choosing to publish and adapt this stuff and therefor push it to a wider audience rather than make them search it out themselves that’s more cringe
@@yoogrldude I do agree that we should be holding the publishing houses accountable.
Anna Todd was 25 when she wrote after on wattpad too
And then these were OLDER women who were writing these stories😭✋🏼
Harry Styles has been done dirty. Though I wasn't a fan of One Direction, it was weird that Harry was the love interest in every fanfiction that involved sexual situations while he was a teenager. Fanfiction itself isn't a bad thing, however, it becomes an issue when celebrity parasocial relationships goes way too far with celebrities who are underage. There have been plenty of celebrity fan fiction stories that are well-written, but 90% of them are popular because of how trash they are.
rpf (real person fic) has been taboo in many, many circles for a long time. it's like keep that shit on your hard drive lol
I agree ☝️
Yeah fanfiction is at its best when it's written about already fictional characters
@@rosecoloredbby agreed
To be fair the ones writing them were also teenagers.
As somebody who reads and writes fanfiction, I hate that the actually good stories aren’t the ones being picked to be turned into films.
truly like there is so much great written fanfiction and everybody who does not read fanfic thinks its all after and 50 shades
@@silergal9994 Exactly! Fanfiction is so much more than that!
Same here! I've read a bunch of fanfics over the years where I'm so impressed that I wished that they were hired by Hollywood studios to adapt them into films and television. However, Hollywood always greenlights the smut fics.🤦🏼♀️😩
This. So many amazing twilight fanfictions and 50 shades is what we get...
yeah! there's so many fanfictions that i read that are really good, with full plots and character development
can you all IMAGINE if the After series was written by some dude about a teenaged Millie Bobby Brown or whoever, and that dude was now making millions of dollars having sexualized not only a teen girl, but a REAL LIFE HUMAN? my god the internet would shit itself. conversations about sexualizing teen girls are 100% necessary and valid, but I hate how people are so much more likely to turn a blind eye to women expressing similar thoughts toward men, as though women's sexuality is still so childish and fantastical as to be a non issue.
i had no idea about caroline flack's relationship with him when we was 17. now dont get me wrong, sadly a lot of celebs do not give a fuck about that sort of thing even with genders reversed. but surely enough folk would rightfully point out how predatory that is if it were a man in his 30's chasing a teenage girl. i hate this double standard of it somehow not being an issue, going as far to say the boys are lucky, when they have fully grown women going after them. i'm 32 right now and the thought of dating someone that young makes me sick to my stomach! i will never forgive these kinds of women who sexualise teenage boys and clump together in fandoms and justify this behaviour, it's fucking vile regardless if it's coming from women.
@@NikiPaprika I so agree! I think age gap relationships only start getting to be safe/okay when both people's brains are fully developed when they meet...not so okay when it's a teenager (who could have 5 or more years to go on brain development) and anyone who has been aware of themselves and their place in the world for quite some time
@@sarahwatts7152 absolutely. age gaps especially dont really mean much once you're into your late twenties/thirties onwards and are dating someone older. but seeing some people really toe the line with "jailbait", only dating 18 year olds just to avoid legal ramifications without questioning why you're still going after someone who is still technically a teen is very disturbing. it's also much easier for older peoole to groom teens because they dont have the life experience that the older adults do. thats when age gaps become bad when one is still that young.
@@NikiPaprika That's how you know those people are predators cus once you're over the age of 25, anyone younger than 21 is like babysitting conversationally, let alone romantically. There'd be so little things to have common unless the goal is to take advantage of them for gross, selfish reasons.
Anna was 24 and harry was 19 when she wrote after, and harry was treated as a completely different character (even older) in the books, his face was probably the only thing that was borrowed, fan fictions and erotica are artistic expressions, and of course they can get problematic, but fiction about already popular people is neither uncommon nor inherently problematic, so stop shitting your pants over something that's not even an issue.
The world isn't black and white, gender reversal of a situation doesn't work that way and the fanfic isn't inherently problematic, it's just a steamy fantasy. @@NikiPaprika
Fanfiction about real people has always been yucky to me. I can’t imagine how bizarre it must be for Harry especially when people are probably eager to tell you about all the movies that are being made of fanfics about you.
Still waiting for the Harry/Obama movie
thank you! i've been tormenting my friends with this info a lot recently
hobama for life
Hobama is real❤
They did Harry so dirty with After.
realll bc he’s so nice how can he play a toxic guy
the extent of parasocial relationship in today's society is extremely concerning!
literally. if you look up how "fans" destroyed FKA Twigs and Robert Pattinson's relationship it's pretty sad :(
@@K.C-2049I’m pretty sure he wasn’t very good to her
Just imagine someone fantasize about you in dirty and unmature ways, and then make a movie thta it is known it was inspired by you, absolutely horrible and gross. Harry Styles literally said he was uncomfortable with these things, and he was concerned with his own sexual - affective relationships because of this massive hate/massive sexualization of him when he was younger and a MINOR. Defo wattpad fanfictions should stay there and NEVER be OUT.
as a person, who were sexualized as a teenager, this is a worst scenario ever!
Is disgusting how they made a movie about the harassment that a 17 year old boy suffered from a GROOMER and how movies are made from Fanfictions where the authors imagined themselves wirh harry doing all that shit.
Harry Styles must have seven degrees of dissociation with his fandom for how strongly his fans have romanticized him vs. how much of a normal human he must actually be. His coping strategies must be airtight bc he seems well adjusted to fame. I wish his fans would stop being so awful towards his girlfriends and stop spreading conspiracies about his life.
I’ve been a lifelong lover of fanfiction but man, RPF has always felt so weird to me. It’s one thing to write fic about fictional people who aren’t go to get hurt or feel weird about the things you’re making them do, but it’s entirely different when you’re writing about real people. I have few lines when it comes to fanfic, but RPF is one I will never cross. It feels too exploitative and creepy to me.
"so aesthetically perfect" so you like kids? you like em YOUNG?? 🤔
Right!? That was so disgusting I had to hold the phone away from me.
Give it a few years and there will be a wave of bts fanfics getting adapted, mark my words
Nah it's diff now, harry styles quite literally dominated fanfictions and wattpad back then. While yes fanfics are still a huge thing today but everyone's in their own corner, there isn't any one "it-boy" who's just taken over (thank god cuz it was prob horrible for him) so it's disappointing but not surprising that it had this much impact even in the film industry and i honestly don't see it happening again. Like yes we're aware he's one of the most consistently successful artists of our age considering he's been in the spotlight 14 years and is still top 5 biggest artists today but it's actually insane to just witness the impact he had on many aspects of popculture. I am curious to see if it'd happen with more fanfics like bts tho, if it does then that means this really opened the gates of fanfic to films and idk how i feel about that lol.
There will eventually be another It Boy to the level of Harry Styles, but it usually takes awhile for that to happen.
@@jeremyudoh ya there'll def be someone as successful at some point i was only talking in the context of fanfics, and the reason i say that is cuz people are too divided now and there's too many contrarians and people who refuse to like something simply cuz it's popular unlike back in the days (even tho it already started happening in the 2010s but it's much worse now, harry taking over fanfic era was just before that) so it's harder for one thing to just be loved by most people today which is one of the reasons there prob won't be someone as big as michael jackson again cuz that many people loving someone at the same time is just impossible cuz everyone's trying so hard not to be basic, if i was to simplify the reason lol.
Mutual Help will be one of them lmao
Ummm “he was done dirty” is an understatement lol
i understand that in the new movie with anne hathaway the character is 24, but the “book” is based on / inspired by harry styles and a relationship he had with a woman when he was 16/17 and she was 31/32. YES, you read that correctly, THIRTY years old dating a CHILD
9:15 I am gonna call another BS as far as Larry goes, as with many ships, the shippers are not in fact queer many times.
For sure there are always queer young people who want to see representation and fall into shipping same-sex people, but it is as common if not more common to see straight women shipping male fictional characters or celebrities (very similar to what men fantasize with non-straight women in 🌽).
It is another type of self-insert/coping and it's very easy to see this with K-pop groups, where same-sex ships are much more common, because of the type of fan service the members provide and are forced to provide by companies.
i was a larry for a long time. it was a lot of lgbt people myself included and it was presented to us by others in the fandom as them being victims and how we needed to show solidarity and support. if you were lgbt and didn't support them or buy into all the conspiracies you could be sent hate comments telling you you weren't really lgbt and equating you to being hateful. it was a nightmare and one of the reasons i was so scared to step out away from it. it was presented to us as our "duty" almost
@@promisemochi Oh, for sure there were many LGBT+ members, but I also had interacted with quite a lot of straight shippers back in the day. And even though there were queer people in these fandoms, they were never as aggressive, at least I had never interacted with THAT aggressive shipper of gay couples that are queer themselves, in various fandoms btw, not only Larry.
Yes, some were problematic and queer, but attacking people outside of the fandom, bc of a meme or something (bc I was never a big 1D fan, but I was a chronically online teen😂), wasn't as common, at least in my experience. It is similar to this weird and unsettling phenomenon where many heavily problematic fanfics with teens were written by fully grown adults.
Edit: Many times shipping gay (mostly men) couples, for young girls, is a form of coping as well. If the guy they find attractive is gay, then the reason they cannot be in a relationship with them is not the fact that they don't know them personally, or the age gap, or bc of their outer appearance, but because of something they cannot change: their sexuality.
@@CompanyOfTheCat very good points!! you bring up a lot of good things. i was very active in the fandom and had a different side of it on tumblr for example than others in other parts. another point i would like to tack on is back in the day during this time girls were so shamed if they saw their celebrity as hot or sexy. it was seen as objectifying to say "oh he's so hot!" a lot of young women in turn would use these ships to "safely" fantasize without being shamed. it removed themselves from the equation in a way.
@@promisemochi "a lot of young women in turn would use these ships to "safely" fantasize without being shamed."
Also very true!
And also if the case was giving them a safe space, why in the world do larrys STILL insist they are toguether
On the topic of fanfiction, I find Sherlock Holmes and its adaptations fascinating.
Since Sherlock Holmes is in the public domain, we can do whatever we want with him. Not just for fanfiction writing and publishing but for making movies and series of him as well. So technically, any Sherlock Holmes work that doesn’t strictly follow the original is a fan work such as fanfiction, a movie or an episode with a fanfiction script.
On top of that, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (the author of Sherlock Holmes) said, “You may marry him, murder him, or do anything you like to him”. Even though Sherlock Holmes fanfiction and adaptations can be absurd at times, it’s good that we have the author’s “blessing”.
My classmate actually wrote a fic about me and my first girlfriend. She outed us in a very, very nasty way. All participants were 14-15 y/o, the fic was marked NC-17 and oh my, how I was scared when I saw hundreds of visits on this page. Fortunately most readers didn't know me. I still write fics myself and has never written a single RPF after that day when I read about myself.
Wow, that's really nasty of your classmate. Hope you and your gf are doing well though
God, I did not realize The Idea of You was based on fanfic, but I should have known because it REEKS of it. I just saw Anne Hathaway and was excited to see her in a romcom again!
I'm all for having fanfic getting published because there are some truly excellent writers out there, but I really wish Hollywood would stop choosing really bad ones like After or 50 Shades. (Props to you if you like them, I just really cannot stand them myself.) I also do feel bad for Harry Styles because I can only imagine how weird and off putting it must be to see people either thirst over you (The Idea of You) or bastardize your character in the name of fantasy (After).
The book is FAR from a romcom.
As someone who writes fanfics for video games, I could never understand how people can write RPF when it comes to teen celebrities. It's just such a hard ick for me as an adult reader/writer
my goodness, listening to you explain the directioners vs beliebers craze as if it's not a core knowledge reminded me that people went through puberty post-2010s. I wasn't even in those fandoms at the time but they were EVERYWHERE. wow i feel old lol
i went through my teens before 1dr was even a thing. hell im only watching this video because im subscribed and it piqued my curiosity, i actually have no idea about the ins and outs of the band rivalries or anything like that, i just that i know of RPF being a problem. when i was a teen i was enjoying silly anime shows and making OCs with my friends. not whatever... bandoms were doing about real life people.
They won’t admit it’s Harry because they don’t want to get sued lol
Mila Tequila’s videos on “After” and the film adaptations are hilarious for anyone wanting a good laugh 😂
The idea that a movie could be based on a Harry Styles fanfic, but production can not acknowledge that, because Harry is actually in the movie industry now, and technically if they want a "Harry type," they should cast him, is so weirdly meta. Imagine watching someone play a non-autobiographical version of YOU
the “dark” versions having tattoos and smoking cigarettes?? literally 4/5 of them have tattoos and many of them smoke lmao
okay but give me Hobama
LMAO BYE
It’s disgusting what the tinhats did to Harry and Louis. There are still some larries out there and that’s just unbelievable.
I don’t think fanfic will ever go away. There was one recently based on Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s relationship for god’s sake.
Granted that fanfic is not written just based on artists and celebrities, I cannot think of any cultural phenomenon that is as widespread as Harry Potter, Star Wars, Star Trek, and even Twilight past the 2010s.
But I think as long as there are fans of a specific media, fanfic will always be around.
fanfic is fine when it's concerning fictional characters imo, but when it crosses the line into real people's lives that's where it goes off the rails.
@@K.C-2049 💯 agreed. The whole Harry Styles fanfic is wild
Most of the Renaissance was just Bible fanfic. But also, specifically Dante's Divine Comedy is Bible fanfic, and it was so popular that it is responsible for most of the world's idea of what Heaven and Hell look like to this day. Fanfic is eternal.
As someone who’s written and read a couple of fanfics when I was in my teen years, this is my hot take:
I think it’s completely fine to write stories about characters from an IP that you like (i.e. Harry Potter, Star Trek, etc.) cause at the end of the day, they aren’t an actual person. However, fanfic writers should leave real people out of it. I remember never understanding why there were so many stories written about an actor or a pop star that I liked at the time. I always thought they were kind of invasive, also put it this way: Would you like it if strangers wrote stories objectifying you and/or your friends, and writing verbatim or assumptions about stuff that happened in your personal life? No you wouldn’t!
However, I do have a neutral stance when it comes to “original stories” that have a bit of a fanfic-leaning, where one of the characters was “inspired” by a celebrity (i.e. “The Idea of You” and “Grace and The Fever”). It can be done tastefully, just as long as no lines are crossed. Changing the name(s) of the celebrity-inspired character(s) isn’t really enough. If you’re copying verbatim on how the character looks and/or facts and rumors about stuff that happened in their personal life, that to me is a bit too much. I think the Harry Styles character in “The Idea of You” kind of crosses the line, since his looks and his personal life is described way too similarly to the real person.
When I first got into BTS a few years ago.. like 2017 think, cause that's when they won the bbmas, I believe.. anyway, I was a teenager in high school and found out about fanfics. I read a few about most of the members here on yt.. but I mostly read about Jungkook. I never liked anything too explicit though. As I was a minor, I couldn't really read them anyway cause it wasn't allowed. But there were some cases where the authors were able to sneak past the restrictions and I was able to read ALL of it. Not because I wanted to, but I was so far into the stories already that I felt I had to read it so I wouldn't miss anything. I mostly liked the stories that felt realistic.. well, not sci-fi or fantasy. Always a love-story, but with drama and suspense. Usually JK played the stereotypical bad boy who was selfish and had never been in real love until my character (y/n). Sometimes he plays the popular guy that every girl wants to date and every guy wants to be friends with, or a playboy who doesn't leave his bad habits behind until I walk into his life. I usually turn out to be the new girl or a long-lost friend from his childhood. Usually very kind and naive at times, but can be just as stubborn as him. Sometimes he gets into trouble.. for example, hanging out with the wrong crowd that includes dr**s and g**s, and I'm always there to watch out for him so he doesn't get hurt. He does the same for me a lot because he's not really a bad guy.. unless the author wants him to be a jack-A out of the blue to make my character storm off in tears.. which turns out to be for a reason because he doesn't want to see me get hurt by others who try to get to me because of him. I always loved these storylines.. Not because they were about JK, that doesn't really do anything for me.. but I just loved how the authors wrote such beautiful stories that made me feel so many emotions. I felt so many emotions for characters who aren't real. Most that I liked are gone now, either because the author left yt or it got deleted. There were a few times explicit scenes appeared and I always cringed.. like wth? Why is it important? The authors usually did it to make it seem more mature and not for kids, but really? I didn't need all those details about the sheets, weak knees, or whatever else they came up with.. like please, they could've just said we did it and move on. How simple is that? I felt so awkward even looking at pictures of him after I read them. It was just so weird. The endings were worth it though, but if I could erase those scenes, I would. Now it feels like Jk is acting out. He probably knows how hyper-se**alized he is compared to the other members. So instead of fighting it, he decided to give them what they wanted and that cost him a lot of fans who didn't agree with his behavior. Just because he's an adult and western artists sing about their se* lives doesn't mean he should too. But if he doesn't act like a man-wh**e, people will baby him and call him cute nicknames. I understand he's trying to show the world a mature image, but se* isn't cracked up to what everyone makes it seem. If anything, adults should be responsible and not do it unless they've committed to someone. One night stands aren't good for anyone. Not that he does it, but his lyrics are so gross. Even though he possibly had barely any input since it was all in English, it still wasn't my cup of tea. And then he acts like everyone who disapproves is out to destroy his career.. like how did he get that mindset? Criticism for his actions are different than wanting to see him fail. He's very talented and has so much to offer. Taking his clothes off and singing about getting it on will only attract a minority who doesn't actually care how his choices will affect him. All the people who groomed him since he was a teenager probably feel proud. 7 and 3D felt like a teen boy rebelling against social norms cause of his raging hormones whenever he sees a hot girl.
god i remember when the After and Dark harry styles fanfics were being written, and so many people (myself included lol) would wait up till the early hours for new chapters to be uploaded. it was like a cult
I studied literature in university and me and my course mates concluded that one of the first fanfictions ever (at least as we know it) is the Divine Comedy
Marvel this Marvel that but when will we talk about Wattpad Productions?
I can understand having a parasocial relationship with a celebrity if you are a teenager (when I was 15 I was SURE that Luke Hemmings and I would eventually meet and he'd fall in love with me obviously) but writing a "fictional" story based on someone real who happens to also be a teenager and publish it... it feels weird. Bring back original stories!!!!!
I'm so glad someone is finally talking about this. These fanfiction writers/readers need to apologise to Harry styles. Celebrity fanfictions are absolutely ❌❌
As someone who reads fanfics and loves them rpf gives me the ick
There defenetly are some amazing stories on Wattpad that would make good movies, and yet, Hollywood choses to adapt series like After, of all things. I don't think that Fanfiction is going away anytime soon, whatever we like it or not, they are a great way for writters to start practicing their writting and form an audience, they also are a way for young people to express themselves and interact with people that have similar interest.
But on the topic of making fanfic about real people: Is weird, i totally agree that sexualizing a real person and writting them doing weird stuff because of a "fantasy" is extremely weird. People are allowed to have crushes on celebrities, but going as far as to writte a book and make monney out of it is so distespectful, is one thing to be inspired by a real life celebrity for a character and other completely diferent thing is to include said celebrity in your fanfic and just change their name (looking at you, After). The weirdest part to me is that you don't need to have Harry Styles levels of fame to have someone make fanfic of you.... I remember seen people make fanart/fanfic of ships between CZcamsrs, hell, i've seen people shipping the creators of famous cartoons between themselves. I was young when i saw that and i didn't really though a lot about it at the time, but now i remember seen it and i cringe so hard.
Maybe my old Harry fan fic i did in 6th grade gets a movie
This feels like one of those "card declines at therapy so you get retraumatized" moments for me. The showcase of the johnlock fanficfion I definitely probably reblogged was a horrific flashback 😭
This may be my fave “deep dive” video of yours to date omg I never knew how deep fanfiction went or just how much 1d impacted fan fiction culture.
Fanfiction is fine. Most of Shakespeare is fanfiction if you think about it.
Fanfiction about real people is also fine. People are allowed to fantasize about the romantic notion of your favorite celebrity falling for li'l ol' average you.
It gets messy when people start involving the actual people they write about. Stop sending your work to celebrities or the media. Stop tagging show creators on your posts about your thirsty fanwork. Stop selling your work for profit. Media people, stop digging up fanart and fanfic and showing them to these celebrities on camera to make them uncomfortable. Everyone, just share your fun stories and art with likeminded people within fandom spaces, and keep it at that.
A video plucked from my Roman Empire!
I would love for famous Harry fanfic writers to explain what piece of media or real life encounter with him gave them the impression that he was moody and a bad boy and all of that stuff
Cassandra Clare got her start from harry potter fan fiction
and she was notoriously an awful person for years lol
kinda random lol but im obsessed with how u used a clip of young aaron taylor johnson for harry potter at 0:55 bc of how popular that fan cast is😭
I love how you use clips from so many movies and shows to visualise what you are saying!
“Cockamamie Conspiracy Theories..” OUCH 🔥
Ok 50 shades being a fanfiction of characters fine
Works of fiction fine
Basing fanfics on relationships with celebs ok...
But fucking publishing it and turning it into all these creepy scenarios?? I hope harry sues all of these people and gets the royalties this is bullshit
Like if its just on the internet to share with people ok but if you're turning a profit eww
Also i find the beginning funny mentioning the ick factor of basing stories after someone elses work when they do that with stuff in the free domain every single year especially sherlock holmes
Great video! I love your history lessons, takes and editing! ❤
Great Video. You raised the topic of a Major problem in the Industry. Even fans can let an Artist down. Hopefully this gets a lot of reads/watches, and people realize that they are (Hollywood)puppeteers.
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Not only is problematic for Harry's own personal life to be written like that (also when he was onyl a teen), but it's a Heterosexual problem, because most of the fanfictions (the most famous ones as well) were M/M but the ones made into books/movies are only straight couples. So a problem within a problem.
I'm sorry but the last line in 18:17 is absolutely bonkers, fanfiction is absolutely still going strong 💪 just look at the surgence of the marauders fandom, they are basically a subfandom of Harry Potter about the characters from Harry's parents time including Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Regulus Black, it has even expanded to create the new ship of James Potter and Regulus Black, if people can come up with all those new ships and stories in a 30 yo fandom, then there's even more stuff for more established fandom
i was waiting for this one 😭😭😭😭
it's cool to hear you bring up actual old timey fanfiction (pastiches)! i feel like in discussions of fanfic and its history, it's very rarely brought up. mostly you just hear the jokey "technically dante's inferno is just bible fanfic" which IS funny but i feel like doesn't do much for the conversation lol. thanks for teaching me a new thing :^D
I feel like this a great, lighter, companion piece to Contrapoints video essay on Twilight 👍 She goes more in depth on a lot of what you touched on here. Worth a watch!
Imagine you were propelled into fame at the young age of 16, at the age of 17 you had a 34 year old you had a crush on bc that's what happens when you're a teenager, you find older people attractive. Said 34 year old "dates" you. Then at 19 you were linked to a 35 year old you "dated" and had a fling with at the x factor. From then on, you tell people quite explicitly that you're not dating every woman you're friends with. That whatever they see is work, you keep your private life private. Still, you are constantly oversexualized and made into a "womanizer" and people constantly tease you and classify you as someone who "goes after older women". Hell, even your band members defend you from comments about that.
You are a feminist, someone who supports women, stands up for reproductive rights, you stand up for the lgbtq community and spread messages of love and acceptance and how everyone should be themselves and yet the media focuses on your dating history.
A fanfiction about you and your band mate is made into an animated segment on a wildly popular series with a voice over with Zendaya (when you weren't even notified about this happening), not one but TWO movies are made based on fanfictions of you and there's not much you can do about any of it
also idc about Hayes, he's NOT MY HARRY STYLES. He's just like such a cheap copy I'm sorry. The Tattoos look awful, the wardrobe is meh, the band could never hope to be half as great as One Direction. The least the author could have done is made the character more different than the person it was based on (not that it makes it okay).
But lets recap:
His name starts with H
He's British
He's in a 5 member boyband group
He has tattoos
I MEAN COME ON
THERE IS GOOD FANFICTION I SWEAR
Ones that aren't based on real people but fictional character, that even actors sometimes encourage which is funny as hell. Stuff like this gives all fanfiction a bad name and makes fanfic writers all seem like horny bastards
wait voiceover from zendaya?
I write fanfiction but I have a strict rule for myself that I will never break. "Never write fanfiction about an actual living person" this includes live action shows with actors. If an actor could stumble upon it and read it, it's in the zone of my rule. I only write fanfiction about books and if that book gets turned into a movie or show after the fact, I make it very clear that my characters are strictly based off the books. Now I don't judge people who do write those kind of stories, but for me personally I feel like a living person should be able to concent being in someone's works, and the thought of the actor or living person I'm writing about somehow finding my story makes me feel gross and horrified.
i feel similarly. there are live action characters that i enjoy together as part of a relationship or whatever, but i’m always very careful about what content i consume or make regarding them because they’re still technically tied to a real life person’s image and i personally would feel uncomfortable violating that boundary with anything more than the equivalent of like a middle school romance, lol.
As someone who has written and is currently writing RPF (of Kpop idols), I truly believe you deserve major respect.
Although I obviously have set boundaries considering I’m writing about real people, I can’t deny the fact that so many “fans” completely disregard that.
I was completely traumatised when I stumbled upon a fanfic CZcams video where a Kpop idol **r worded** the female lead (I was probably 13 at the time). Unfortunately, the RPF community kind of normalises lack of boundaries and they just come up with the most fucked up scenerios they can think of (they need therapy).
As someone who has been around fandoms for a long time and is relatively old in fandom years, this is my take: it is, for the most part, totally normal to have fantasies about real people and fictional characters - everyone has them to some extent. I even think it's okay to share those fantasies with others (including RPF) as long as A) it's very very clear to everyone involved that it is a fantasy that has no bearing on reality and B) you don't involve any real people in any way, shape, or form e.g. Harassing band members in real life who you think are secretly in a relationship! The stories and characters in RPF have nothing to do with that person in real life, so keep them out of it.
What I think that means for mainstream fiction and films is that there needs to be a degree of separation - the celebrity inspiration should be dead, or it should obviously be based on lots of people, or even a public perception of a celebrity that is interesting to explore in fiction. Keep the fantasies about one person away from where that person might see them and feel harassed, uncomfortable, or upset about them!
I'm still waiting for a video about 15 of the best green dresses in cinematic history.
I've been waiting for Scarlett (a.k.a Gone with the Wind 2) to be brought up. That's a living legend of a fanfic, which is universally hated by scholars of Mitchell's work 😇
X files also played a huge role in this in the 90s as well as AOL chat rooms and message boards too infact if it’s not mentioned the term “ shipper “ came from that lots of old slang too.
I haven't read the idea of you and I've heard it described as a "beautiful story" but something about it's premise makes me uncomfortable. I think it's because harry's tendency to date older women signals more "grooming trauma" alarm bells to me more than anything. just the fact that he was _seventeen_ dating a 30 year old and that from then this became a pattern for him should raise some red flags to you rather than inspire a wish fulfilment fantasy. whoever made the movie understood this because the age gap was changed just enough to feel comfortable. 24 rather than 20 feels much less…fetishistic?
I'd actually be interested in seeing a story with that same premise that instead explored the trauma of a young pop star being exposed to older women who continuously cross boundaries and take advantage of him. otherwise it's giving aaron taylor johnson and his wife who is twice his age and almost definitely groomed him. I understand where the author was coming from with the whole "younger man desiring an older women" thing, but there was no reason to make the character 20. the character could have been 24-26 and the same idea could have been made. especially when the inspiration for the character is not even harry styles but a _young_ harry styles.
hahaha oh those Heidi sequels!! I read as many as I could find when I realized they existed. I don't even remember what the stories were now, but they definitely were not the same. Then there's that movie with Charlie Sheen that was a Heidi sequel as well, Courage Mountain. He was very young then and I didn't know who he was. It would probably be a real mind fuck watching it now.
I honestly have faith this will actually be a good movie. Having two actors that actually know how to act will take it a long way
In all seriousness, I feel like The Idea of You will bring fanfiction back into the spotlight and all of Harriyanna Hook’s stories are fanfiction based on animated series, and is turning one of them into a dubbed animated series with another being a web series.
I think I enjoyed The Idea of You because of the ending
SPOILER ALERT:
They don't end up together and his fame is the reason for their split I also liked how the book dealt with the horrors of dating someone so famous and never having any privacy the movie looks more romcomy which is a choice...
Fanfiction about real people makes me really uncomfy. Even fanart that draws the fictional characters to look realistically like the actors makes me feel weird. It feels so unfair to them, like such an invasion of privacy. And I hate (like some of the clips you included) when talkshow hosts make the celebrities look at the fanart/read lines of the fanfiction to them. Stop making them respond to this on TV. It's like forcing a stalking victim to look at the stalker's creepy shrine to them and then expecting them to laugh at it good-naturedly in front of millions of people. Just because they're famous and everybody knows their name, doesn't mean they're fair game in this way. The fact that Harry Styles has to tolerate actors essentially playing over-sexualized versions of him and act like he's cool with it is messed up to me. I love fanfiction and fanart in general, but when it's about the characters, not the actors. Otherwise it feels creepy and exploitative.
The ‘glowy/Larry’ phenomenon is very pervasive on YT to the point that looking for any song material by the band is largely replaced with the Ship; fans are notorious for ignoring rational debate.
PLEEEEEEASE! Do a outfit analysis of Rosemarys baby PLEEEEASE
oh damn i only knew that guy from bottoms. i have no idea hes been in a lot of wattpad to movie projects asfgjkl what a shift 💀 i thought he was strictly comedy
Eh, I don't think fanfiction itself is the problem. Not even when it's about real people. As long as the readers understand the -fiction part and avoid projecting what's in the story onto the real people, it's an acquired taste, I guess. And tropey writing is something that will never disappear because it works a lot of the time. Most people want to be comforted with the expected, which is why the really unexpected stories make us feel awkward if not scared.
The actual problem imo is that fandoms have become TOO comfortable with sharing fanfiction and ships with the "common folks", and even worse, with the celebrities that star in them. Like, why would you tag a celebrity online while commenting on a fanfiction? Or print that stuff and gift it to them? That's utter lunacy. But it checks out with the rest of contemporary fandoms' ludicrous behavior. I'm fine with fans but please keep that s*** to yourself kids! You're not the celebrity's friends and they don't want to read the crazy fantasies you write about them. Stay in your lane. You're not anyone's fan unless you respect them as a person before anything else.
I never understood why the "bad boy" trope exploded in the way it did. Is being a terrible person attractive now??
Contrapoints most recent video on romance pointed out it is not always about being with a bad guy, it is the fantasy of that person changing for the female main character. It is that this powerful coded person that is considered powerful by society chose the audience stand in female character out of allll the other possible other potential partners. That is not all dark romamcnes, but it does covers the appeal.
I like to think it's the whole "I can fix him" thing that is the appeal
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Yeah I don’t think RWRB was based on fanfic lol, the author has never said anything like that.
"The Idea Of You" Makes me oh so very uncomfortable.....especially since it's inspired by real life age gaps.....
I remember writing a 1D and The Wanted fanfic on Wattpad😅😅.
Fanfictions are never going to go out of style (pun intended)
Seeing REAL PEOPLE being incorporated into fanfiction literally disgusts me to my core. Like imagine you're famous and there's people who write about HAVING INTERCOURSE WITH YOU?!?!
The Larry shippers used to be my enemies as a tween
I’m a swiftie who was really into Haylor, but I did always think it was a bit weird for them to date considering their age differences. I think it doesn’t bother a lot of people because it didn’t seem like a serious relationship, and because they were both at such levels of fame that their available circle for dating was slim.
yknow I don't really care if people are into RPF or shipping. The problem is when it's shown to the subjects against their will in some form. Like scrubbed rpf fics becoming movies or books (especially if everyone knows who its about) crosses the line for me.
I’m pretty sure 5SOS fan-fiction helped keep me sane during the pandemic lol. I feel for Harry Styles and the rest of 1D.
When are we getting our Trapped in a Island With Josh Hutcherson movie???
the way after was written by a grown woman when harry was a minor. that and he was written as an abusive shitbag; why did THAT portrayal blow up and get its own franchise ???
Maybe it’s my asexuality talking, but I never understood the concept of RPF.
Like, you don’t really know these people and it comes off as hella creepy.
Maybe your RPF should just stay in your private journal.
Bring back journaling!
Yeah, I never understood writing fanfics about real people either. I’d rather read something that’s about fictional characters from an IP that I like since it’s not invasive, rather than reading about an actor or a singer that I like.
..Larry stylinson?..I haven't heard that name in 10 years...
they will do anything except make a maurauders movie
I was on tumblr extensivley in the 2010s, (still am) and yet I've been waiting for years for someone to make a deep dive video into HOW the 1D members became so caricaturized by the fandom, and especially fanfic writers.
Despite being a teen myself at the time, I never experienced celebrity worship, and seeing the whole thing from the outside, and kind of the inside, was and still is baffling to me. How can you consume so much disparate media about a group of different people and distill it into fandom-agreed upon stereotypes? There's no book to reference, the "canon" was almost wholly created by the fans, so how does anything get solidified, and why?
I guess it's freeing for kids and teens to make up their own slight deviations in interpretation and not be told it's "wrong," but to my sensibilities the whole thing is too free-form and invasive to even play with, and that's before they even get into the graphic, sexual stuff.
I just want someone to explain what the heck was going on at that time, cause I could not connect with people my age over any of that stuff, though i do enjoy fanfics of imaginary characters. Kinda hoped this video would help, but it seems to have only given an overview.
In regards to The Idea of You,
Because it’s starring Nick and Anne Hathaway, they adjusted the age difference, and it’s been proven in the media several times that Harry Styles like’s dating older women, I don’t think anyone will care that it is based on a fanfic and that it’s “odd”. I think people have accepted it as part of our culture.
I think people agree with me in that there wasn’t as much “effort” put into the last few installments of the After films. But so much effort has gone into having TIOY be a good quality film, I think it’s more going to be about “Will the quality of this film show people how tacky FanFic films are or will it remind everyone how brilliant and a money maker it is for the industry?”
I someone who loves fanficion and I believes it can be cathartic and even transformative, but the fanficion I read are about FICTIONAL STORIES AND CHARACTERS and I find it really creepy when a fanficion is about a real person. I haven't watch or read After knowing it's a Harry styles fanficion and I'm not gonna watch The idea of you either because it's just to wierd for me.
This entire video sees me 😂
I wrote fanfic (mostly httyd and brave stories)but I hope my fanfic stories won’t be turned into movies
Httyd ff would a good movie though.
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Well mostly you need to change a lot to say it’s original but in my head it’ll be those characters
*Wattpad left the chat* 🙈
You sound like anne hathway tbh
I'm trying to think of one fanfiction to film that was good. Does Death Comes To Pemberly count?
Anne Hathaway is all that movie needs
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I don't think fanfiction itself is a product of its time. After all, there are still some people with a passion writing who, at one point, have used fanfiction as a platform to hone their craft, and became successful as a result. That's why I hate it when people shouldn't talk down to those who enjoy or create it since there are actual stories (that aren't inspired by 1D and any other celebrities) that are really good. Even I liked the idea of Fifty Shades of Grey becoming successful since it is a good example of an original book based on fanfiction that was able to sell millions of copies and launch an author's career. I also know that you shouldn't follow certain trends set forth by the fandom just to write a good story, especially the ones you are part of.
And by trends, I mean celebrity pairings
Is fanfiction going anywhere? Nope K-pop would like to enter the chat, lol.
Anne Hathaway, girlie, Princess of Genovia, WHY would you participate in this.
Because the script is good. The movie is heavily praised by viewers and critics. It's currently 100% on rotten tomatoes and 86 on metacritic. Just bc it's "fanfic", it's automatically BAD.