Upgrading your workbench with an accurate grid of dog holes!
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- čas přidán 9. 03. 2023
- This video is about Upgrading your workbench with an accurate grid of dog holes!
For this I use the UJK Parf Guide system and I will give a short review about the quality of this product and what they have done to achieve a CNC like accuracy.
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UJK Parf Guide System MK2
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UJK Parf Guide System MK1
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Fonson Tools Big Square
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Extension Kit Fonson Square
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2. Doweling Jig / Multi-row puncher
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3. 20-watt diode laser
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4. Drill guide cabinet jig
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5. T-ruler
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6. Precision square
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7. Miter square
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8. Miter square brass
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9. Height gauge
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My name is Dennis and I am from Hooked on Wood.
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Products I use in my workshop.
Table saw with dust system:
Felder 740S Slider
Felder 140
Workbench:
Incra master-R-router lift
AEG 1400w router
Incra 25" SL positioner with Wonder Fence
Drill press: Jet JDP 15B
Miter saw: Festool Kapex 60
Different links to products I use
Clamps:
Axminster trade hold down clamps
Piher Rail guide clamps
Micro Jig dovetail clamps
Bessey parallel clamps
Axminster trade parallel clamps
Push blocks
Micro Jig Gripper
Incra Push block
Thank you for viewing.
Best regards,
Dennis - Jak na to + styl
Again an excellent presentation. Thank Dennis
Wowzeers that bench looks amazing Dennis
Thanks Dennis! This looks like a great system!
As always Dennis, you're my go to channel. Great content 👌🏼
Looking forward to your dog hole accessory video! I have the Parf Guide and several types of UKJ dogs, and I'm looking for ideas on different ways to use the systems and different tools that are made for it. As always -- thanks for the great video and outstanding quality!
Hi Dennis.... another great video. I also have the Parf Guide II system. I find it extremely accurate. I always enjoy your videos.
Great video as always. Love seeing other options to make your workshop more efficient.
I'm looking forward to a vid about your new workbench choices.
Great video. I have had the privilege of visiting Axminster Tools. The dedication to tool making to this high standard and then improve them just shows true dedication.
On my early UJK bench dogs, I checked the sizes. The accuracy is just amazing.
Peter Parfit must be very pleased with the execution of his idea.
Another great video Dennis.
Enjoy the workshop videos a lot .
Can’t wait for the next videos. About to start reorganizing my shop and am waiting hopefully for your dog hole and dust extraction videos.
Great and informative video Dennis. Love that adjustable height bench!👍
Great video Dennis.The price difference is a cunundrum.Accuracy means everything!
Great video, just bought the kit and the super dog accessory kit!
Pretty fantastic looking system indeed, Dennis! 😃
Thanks for the review and recommendations!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
In the proces of designing a workbench is had the idea to opt for both dogholes and mocro jig system. But, seeing the disadvantages of it, decided to skip the micro jig part. Thanks for the advice!
Je nieuwe site is mooi geworden Dennis!
As always clear and concise information, thank you Dennis ! 👏👍😀
Bravo Dennis
Another great video. I ended up breaking the 20mm Drill bit while trying to drill over 200 holes with the Parf Guide system. I ended up ordering Fisch FSA-134572 Wave Cutter Forstner Bit, 20mm x 8mm drill bit for $23.70, since I ordered a replacement and it was going to take a while before I received it. I'm glad I did. I use the same material for the tops that you use and the Wave Cutter cuts through it much quicker. I wish I new about it from the beginning of drilling the holes.
Has the same diameter as the mk I bushing?
In my experience the benchdogs fits tighter with the UJK bit. But I agree the fisch bit will cut faster. I have both but I use the UJK fore tighter fit.
I look forward to your videos
Hi dennis interesting system. for those living in Canada , Lee Valley has it in stock for C$309
I've bought several tools at your recommendation ,love the Fonson track square.
Good morning Denis.
As always, Dennis KNOWS how to do it. AND knows HOW to teach it. Thanks kind Sir. ❤🤠
Kijk, dit was ik dus al een hele week aan het opzoeken. Al had ik wel gehoopt dat er ergens een banggood versie van dit soort dure systeem bestond.
Hi Dennis,
You are so right about the cable sticking in the dovetail system. What I did was created (3d printed) some dovetail plugs with a little chamfer that fit at the edge of the workbench so the cable would not stick again. Only downside is that the more slots the more plugs, but I found out that if u 'plug' one side of the workbench it will be fine most of the time. U can slide the clamps from the other side and still remove the plugs if needed.....keep up the nice video's, always watching them,
Cheers,
Peter
Great video on the parf system and your new bench, Dennis, thanks.
I think the MK II version is well worth the extra cost for the upgrades you get. All the additional pieces and changes allow for more accuracy and less wear on the parts, so the system will last much longer, if not indefinitely aside from the 3mm and 20mm drill bits, though I suspect even those will last through a pretty good amount of MDF tops. As for the rulers, they added additional holes for offsetting holes at 32 or 48mm. It's a great system and I'm very impressed with it.
I already have the MK II parf guide and the 1000mm flat parf fence. I have some other ujk accessories on the way from axminster as well. Looking forward to setting up my shop made mft.
Yes, I have the shorter version of the Parf fence and I regret I did not choose the 1000mm. Like I said in the Video, they make very nice engineers products. I love working with it.
Love mine Dennis, yes it’s expensive but the build quality is second to none. Great video
I used the straight ruler from the dowling jig that you reviewed from banggood. It is much cheaper and you can use it not only for dogholes. It is perhaps not as easy but more then accurate for my use.
Yes, i think that works perfect for most use
Please do a video with the details on the Felder FAT300S workbench build
Clear and extensive vidéo Dennis !
Yes it's a budget for this tool/jig.
I don't really understand who are the customers for this.
Professionals will buy a foldable Festool workbench MFT straight.
I've done mine with the rag'n bone method for the cost of good auger drill bit but after 2 years of use, I will not bore all these holes again but just on a smaller part of the workbench.
The debris and dust management may be also a pain.
I often say in my videos that I like dog holes in my workbench, and for most of the accessories you do not need a accurate grid of dog holes. So, just drill holes of 20mm will give you already a lot of possibilities. I think the professional is one market if they want to change the MFT top them selfs.
But the hobbyist woodworker may also be a market. I never thought I would buy it 5 a 6 years ago. Now, I think it is fully worth the money.
Last version. Aha… don’t think so. Speaking as a woodworker that is improving his setup and workflow all the time. Let’s see when the next improvement will be published. I’m planning a new workbench as well where your benches influenced my a lot. Using the Parf Guide system as well which is a great help and very accurate.
I am afraid you can be right 😀
H.O.W. = Hooked On Watching!! Came across your videos last week and have been binge watching ever since! I was hooked when I saw the black mdf work bench, and how clean / organized your shop is! I am new to woodworking and have found your videos very informative and easy to understand (thank you very much for that)
Can I find the same products on Amazon? As I’m in the US (Dallas, Texas) I’m not familiar with the site Banggood? apologize for the ignorance
Looking forward to your next videos!!
Great video. I would really like to see an in-depth review of the Felder FAT 300 cart.
Will look and see if I can do a review of them. I have both the fat 300 and 300S
can indeed be interesting if you are in the market for one and need to choose.
@@HookedonWood Thanks! Will be looking forward to it.
Have you ever used a track saw rail hinge on a workbench?
I've seen those used in combination with a dog hole fence to not only create an amazingly flexible workbench but it also allows you to use a track saw as a semi table saw with accurate repeatable cuts without having to set up any guides.
For people with limited space like myself this is an amazing way to save space without loosing a lot of functionality.
I would love to see a video about those.
Hi, I did not, but I fully agree with you. If I would not go for a tablesaw, that would be my go to direction.
Prima bespreking Dennis! Ik gebruik dit systeem nu een tijdje en ben er erg tevreden over.
Nice lifting work bench
:-)
I'm surprised we haven't seen a Chinese option yet. This looks like a great system, this
Hello Denis, will you plan to post video about workbench buidling process? Dust extraction and how is it build inside? Thank You :)
Tip for others:
When I did my workbench top with the UJK Parf Guide system, I first drilled the 3mm holes, then used a large drill bit to enlarge as many as I could, and only then used the 20mm Forstner bit. Even though that was an additional step, it was much quicker since the Forstner bit didn't have to go through so much material (I have a ~1.5inch top).
Only thing to keep in mind that you don't drill the holes that you need for the guide rail initially to go to the next set of holes.
Also, thanks Dennis for all the time and effort you put into the videos. They are high quality and people appreciate your content.
I've built (95% done) my version of your version of the 4th gen workbench and really like the design. I also think - if you get the chance - spend some time for putting (updated) plans on your website. Even just a PDF with measurements would be great. I know people would pay (some) for it and it may would make worth your effort.
Thanks Antonius for the Tip and compliments
It is also a good idea to drill the 20mm holes 1 or 2 mms deep from the underside first.
Define accurate. Due to the multiple transfer of reference points (ask a machinist if this is not clear) accuracy degrades with the PARF system across the grid. Using a template (CNC cut, and ideally at least half the size of your table) is better, because-
- it is more accurate
-it is faster
-it is cheaper
Using a template with a trim router takes around half the time to give a more accurate result in my experience. I have measured both methods using gauge blocks (accurate to nanometers) and the results are clear.
BTW, using terms like 'perfect', 'spot on', etc makes an engineer wince. Everything has tolerances. Understanding tolerances is the key to accuracy.
I do not make my videos for engineers, so perfect means perfect in the average sense. That said, there is a reason why I talk about near CNC. Because it is not perfect in that sense. The second methode you mention "can" be accurate. Because that also depends on several things in the proces. If you want to use a CNC template half the size of the table, you better make te complete table CNC. That is most accurate. So, it think mainly because of the system design it is more flexible to use in other situations as well. They did a lot to minimize human error and deviation by using very well engineered products with very small tolerances.
So, that is what my message is in this review. I think an alternative can be as good, perhaps even better, but I discussed the PARF system here. In the end, I think we are not so far apart from each other. But the angle we look at this product and I made my review about this product is just a little bit different.
@@HookedonWood Yes, you did say 'near CNC', which is a good clarifier. I say half size, because that just involves just one translation, with widely spaced alignment dowels (used in the engineering sense). Yes, whole table size is better, but not much in practice, because wood (especially MDF) moves with RH in a non-deterministic way, negating attempts at too high an accuracy.
Using 3mm drills through a guide bush hand held in a hole in a ruler has several error components- the narrow jig guiding a forstner bit via plain bearings has several more. Because the jig is 'walked' across the table, errors are cumulative- especially as the reference dowels are only 192mm (two holes) apart. I refrain from doing a full error analysis- the manufacturer knows and agrees on the above (the designer appears not to...) I think your review is reasonably balanced; I would just compare it with the cheaper, faster, and more accurate alternative.
though I really appreciate how well constructed an made this system is, I honestly think buying a CNC made mdf plate is the better solution. It is at least as accurate (in fact I believe it to be more precise...) and far cheaper. And when you have bought one you can easily make a copy with your router, so you don't have to buy another plate when the original one is worn out, and btw that is faster done and easier than the process with the UJK system
If possible, that is the best choice. But this is flexible, you can make the number of holes you want and use it anytime you want.
But there is a reason I say near CNC because there are still some small variables that can exist. But I do not think a CNC cut sheet is widely available, especially for a good price.
Hi Dennis I made the same thing for £50 and yes it is accurate and I have made my friends work bench tops with dog holes to any spacing they need so although its a good video the pricing of it is way over the top
Hi, I am curious what you made!, this is an expansive tool, and it took me long before I decided to buy one myself. But it is a well engineered product and they push the boundaries to make it as accurate as possible. That is what I like about it. But I agree, it is a lot of money and you will have to make three table tops to be even when you let it cut CNC.
@@HookedonWood Hi Dennis, well I used my engineering knowledge as I was a toolmaker, and made it out of aluminium with stainless steel inserts, it weighs in at just under a kilo and its with in 0.001 so pretty accurate, and yes i made it on a CNC machine in a factory near me, so far I have made 9 work tops, but I don't charge a lot as its a hobby not a job, so they buy the material and I make it. It cost them only £20, And compared to the one you showed it is a bit longer but not wider, but I do enjoy your videos so thank you
Hi Dennis, thanks for another excellent video.
I have one question on the table top if you can answer. I found (i'm in Italy) this material "PANNELLO (MDF) VALCHROMAT" which seems good
It comes either 19 or 30 mm thickness. QUESTION : Do you think going for the 30mm is overshooting ?
Thanks in advance and cheers
I use two sheets of material. 1x 19mm Black MDF and 1x 19mm underpayment. This gives more mass and less vibration when working on it. So I found this very nice to work with. So, I think the thicker the better but it does not have to be Black MDF because I think the 30mm will be very expensive. Keep in mond that with thicker top, you can not use rail guide clamps. Bit there are enough alternatives
@@HookedonWood Thanks so basically you glue the two 19mm sheets together before creating the 20mm holes pattern, correct ?
I think what's missing is a description of the alternative. How much is a CNC cut workbench top? If you can make (for example) 5 for the price of the Parf guide + 5 sheets, then maybe it's a bad investment. If a CNC cut top is the same price as the Parf guide system, then it's probably best to get the system.
It would be great if you could get a couple of quotes and see what the price would be. I'm going to do that myself, when I start building a workbench. Which is hopefully soon, the room is almost done :)
And while I'm writing anyway, thanks a lot for all your reviews. There are definitely some tools in your list of china tools that will be bought for my new workshop.
A CNC cut template is faster, cheaper, and more accurate. It can be used multiple times, so straight price comparison is valid.
Nice explanation of the Parf Guide systems, Dennis. I also made a large work surface using the Parf 2 and it worked perfectly with very accurate holes over the 2 x 1.2 meter top. I also used the guide to make a smaller top for my Felder 300 cart - that cart is hands-down is the best purchase I've made in a long time. I would recommend the combination reamer / chamfer tool from UJK for finishing the holes. It works well in conjunction with the UJK dogs and they'll sit flush in the bench top after reaming. I used a standard chamfer / countersink bit in a different top and it works OK but not as consistent as the UJK version.
Yes, you are right. I will mention them in the accessories video
I love my Parf guide system and recommend it for anyone using a “MFT” workflow. I wouldn’t say near CNC accurate it is that accurate.
No, it isn't. I have measured the results of the Parf system, using engineering measuring equipment, accurate to nanometers. It is nowhere near as accurate as P Parfitt claims. Ask Axminster tools, and they will agree on the limitations of the system, including the accumulating errors the system suffers. A well tuned home CNC mill (never mind professional systems) can exceed the accuracy with ease. And a template is also much faster and cheaper.
@@Tensquaremetreworkshop on the tables that I have built observing Peter Parfitt’s directions I get a perfect as measured with my squares,(Bridge City, Starret engineer) and rules (Shinwa, Starret, Mityomo) I get as perfect results as I can measure throughout the grid of holes. Any size and shape I need. Now if your building airplanes and not cabinets or tables I suppose nanometers become important. Mind you I am just working in my garage/shop. All I know is what I build fits together perfectly using my Parf guide system.
And that is the perspective to value this product. Not if NASA can use it.
@@kylereed3577 Perfect is a Platonic ideal- never reached in practice. Everything has tolerances. The Parf method has several tolerances that are cumulative. You say you have measured the result- with rules? Really? Unless you can quantify the error, with precision equipment, you cannot compare the methods. A CNC template is, without doubt, cheaper. It is also demonstrably faster (half the operations with less setup time), which only leaves accuracy- which I have (accurately) measured to be poorer. I rest my case.
@@Tensquaremetreworkshop i guess you missed the point of the circumstance. As long as you are happy with your choices that’s all that matters. Good luck and have fun with your hobby
Not sure how long will last those accuracy when those holes get wear out. Would be nice to see although a build project from this dream shop. I know many of us building our shop is our project, then realize we don’t do actual projects beside picture frame, cutting board and chips trays and then questioning the whole fortune and time we spent on a nice capable shop….to do nothing with it. 😅
When it is a hobby and someone and he or she enjoy making his perfect dream shop, who are we to judge if this was worth the fortune and time?
In my experience, I enjoy my projects so much more in a well equipped and organized workshop. In a sense, I need it to keep my overview. Other make the most amazing projects just by some hand tools in an overloaded workshop with leftovers. As long you enjoy what you are doing, it is great! That my channel is more for the person who like to build his workshop and learn from this proces is evident.
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just wondering.... is there a banggood version of this tool available?
Good video as usual Dennis. Planning to re-watch several of your bench videos before starting on one.
Just wanted to mention - I found the rain on the roof noise(?) a little frightening on my studio monitors!
Sorry, I thought I kept re reasonably under control on my editing headphones.
Which studio monitors are you using?
@@NWGR Not sure it's relevant on a woodworking channel! - HEDD 07 with a KRK sub. The rain noise was so unexpected that I paused it to make sure it wasn't water pouring in my loft! Not wanting to criticise Dennis though, his production values are v good.
@@soundman127 It's all good! 🙂
Who doesn't consider music a necessary workshop tool? XD
I'll check those out, thanks. I'm looking to upgrade my speaker setup.
Where can we get this type of dog hole top? We live in US.
I’ve come across your channel a few weeks ago and had to subscribe.
Just placed my first order last week.
A question for you.
Did you ever make a video about a track saw square?
Similar as a TSO, GRS or what Woodpecker offers
yes, serie 33 of china tools, best is to look at my site www.hookedonwood.online Here you can find all the videos and products with links to the video.
@@HookedonWood Thanks
What is that black bench top material? Been through a few video and have seen a bunch of people ask but no answers? Anyone know what material it is?
Hmm, I got mine from (I think) TSO about a year ago, and it didn't come with a systainer or any kind of case. Did you buy that separately, or was it included from Axminster? BTW, I got this just to make a grid in a benchtop that was too wide for my CNC. Please don't tell my wife.
BTW, I think it's great that you let everyone know that you don't need this unless you're relying on a track saw for everything, and even in that case it's better to CNC or buy a CNCd benchtop. This is one of those fishing lures that's designed to catch fishermen rather than fish. IMO.
Thanks Dennis - whats the make of the try-Square you have on this video? Do you have a link please?
I think you mean the Woodpeckers Square. Look at woodpeckers site. Very expansive though.
@@HookedonWood thank you I couldn't make out it was woodpecker too expensive for me Dennis. Banggood for me. Keep up great work x
Great review as always, and I for one happen to like dogholes. But that Felder table base is crazy expensive. Around €1650 incl VAT in Sweden. Does anyone know of cheaper alternatives?
Yes. You are a maker, make one.
I did find some models without wheels that are a bit more affordable. But I wanted some flexibility, so that did not was an option. It was a hard decision because I always worked without height adjustable workbench. But It is hard to ignore the benefits. Although that does not mean it will justify the price for everyone.
Hoi Dennis wederom een goede video, bedankt! Vraagje, heb jij een Shaper of ben je ooit van plan er eentje te kopen?
Shaper handheld CNC
Nee, ik heb geen shaper. Hij is me wel eens aangeboden en wellicht dat ik er in de toekomst wat mee ga doen, maar op dit moment vind ik het werken met een laser en templates fijn. Wanneer dit tekort schiet om mijn ideeen uit te voeren, ga ik er weer eens over nadenken. Neemt niet weg dat het een hele mooie machine is.
Don't know if I really need one, but my OCD sure does want one.
BTW, how do you like your new Apple Watch?
My Apple Watch is great. When it fits your fist, take it. You will love it, I do not use it for the extreme, but as a daily watch, I love it and I was happy to finally wear another design watch again after 3 normal apple watches that all look the same the past 7 years or so.
What material you use for your table top(black table top) Tqvm
It's black MDF
A topic worth expanding on. By the looks of it , the black MDF is Valchromat, in the UK costs about £150 per sheet, plus delivery. It is considerably tougher than regular MDF. Axminster tools MFT tops and some jigs use this material. I have not used this material yet, but having created MFT work tops in ply and in my pine work bench, and some smaller jigs in MDF, I find holes in regular timber using the parf UKJ jig variable in fit, no doubt grain and wood movement is at play. Ply holes are consistent, I went for a double thickness of 3/4 ". A single thickness (18mm) of standard MDF is I feel a temporary sacrificial solution, especially if if clamping dogs are used, which rely on racking to maintain hold down pressure.
What is the spacing of your dog holes?
Dag Dennis, Waar kun je de festool lineaal 20 mm oranje klemmen kopen?
Hoi Marcel, Bedoel je de klemmen die ik gebruik op mijn afkortzaag?
@@HookedonWood Dag Dennis:de klemmen die de festool lineaal aan de aanslag nokken vast zetten
Hoi Marchel, de liniaal en klemmetjes zijn van UJK. Via Axminster verkrijgbaar
There is a lot of background noise from your workshop in this one Dennis. I assumed it was raining when you recorded and are aware of the quality?
Yes, It was a shame, but I tried to reduce it when editing, but this was all I could do. Next time I will pick better wether :-)
@@HookedonWood got room for sound damping panels on that ceiling? Probably will also help to save your hearing.
And it's a nice video topic 🤣
He's recording this in the Netherlands. In my 17 years of living there, I think I can count the days where it didn't rain on one hand, lol.
Great video Dennis. Will you have a video about the upgrades you did to the Felder FAT 300 S ? It looks like you have a way of supporting the table so the casters are not touching the ground, making the table much more stable.
We Will see eachother tomorrow to be exact 😂
What really makes your projects stand out for the most part is the black top, which is pretty much impossible to get here in the USA unless you want to spend a small fortune getting a sheet shipped. This not something that can be found locally or even ordered locally. Once you take away the black top...you really take away the visual appeal of the projects. But the craftsmanship and attention to detail is the same and its still good work. The visual appeal is just not repeatable....not in the USA anyway. And I live in a very large housing boom location with every wood store you could think of...Tampa, Florida.
Hi Garry, I agree with you. It is a shame you can not get it in the USA. We pay around 100 dollars for a full sheet of 18mm. So, that is much more affordable. Without it, I think I probably would have change the design. Although I like the base anyway.
I've found the same thing - there is a distributor of Velchromat in the USA but no dealers local to me. I've had good luck with Transtint dyes on MDF - although not dyed through it still penetrates the MDF well with a few coats and looks pretty good. There's black but other colors as well.
@@todddonovan9780 Keep in mind that Valchromat is denser than mdf. You need a couple of people to move a full sheet, as it is probably twice as heavy as mdf. Luckily there is a dealer close to me in North Carolina. Also, a full sheet is a little bigger than 48x96.
Wouldn't it just be cheaper to buy a Festool replacement top and use that as a template?
250 isn't a bad price, considering it will last a life time
UJK gebruik het al een jaar
My friend, the word "generation" (and other similar words, generate, genetics, etc) is pronounced with a "J" sound (like jack or john) at the start instead of a "g". I don't know your first language and if that sound is difficult for you, but wanted to help if I can. I love your videos, thank you.
Thanks, i am Dutch, but I was unfamiliar with this, so thanks.
Originally the MK 1 only came with the old rulers ie no 32/48 holes. However they found it cheaper just to use the MK 2 rulers for both sets.
Thanks for the indo
For that price you can almost build a CNC to drill the holes (kidding - not really) but I still think it's grossly overpriced. But thanks for the good video.
It pays for itself within 2 replacement MFT tops and allows for way more possibilities when making your own. I only use it once or twice a year to make or replace a top but being able to quickly whip up a precise worktop or accessory (like plane stops etc) in half an hour on a Sunday afternoon without any prior planning has proved pretty convenient
There is one mistake
You measured to the edge of the ruler. According to Peter Parfit the 3mm holes are not precisely in center of the ruler.
And Peter must know, he created the System 😉
He certainly must know :-) Thanks, I will look into it.
I have the MKII version and started my table layout just as Dennis did. I wasn't concerned with the exact distance of the first line of holes from the edge, but wanted to ensure the line of holes was exactly parallel to the edge. I trimmed the table edges later to the final dimension using the holes as the reference point.
While I like this system I do think it's too expensive. You can buy a very accurate cnc-machined jig for 60€.
I think a CNC machined sheet is a very good alternative.
Thanks for this video, but I decided to ignore UK companies since Brexit, I will not pay for their decision.
€250 is too expensive, need another solution for small DIY workshops
This is perfect. I've been working on a new workbench but your idea of using a Felder is brilliant. I just looked them up and the Felder FAT 300 is affordable and they have a distributor in Australia (for some reason, you have to contact to get a quote but the US site shows the prices and the FAT 300 is affordable for me).
The doghole system looks ideal too so I'm adding that to my shopping list.
Years ago, I saw a video on YT showing retractable dogholes. Never found anything suitable to make them with (best I could do was experiment with various push button type of setups but they just don't give the needed depth). If you come across anything like that for dogholes, please let me know.
Hi Gary, Felder comes from a professional corner and searches for contact with the customer. So, they are not always communicating the price. The Fat 300 is smaller, although it can handle the same weight. So, for a workbench of 80 x 160 I think it will work, but otherwise, it will be too small in my view. Another point is that the lifting mechanism is at the short site, whereas it is on the longer side with the 300S. So, when your table does have too much overhang, it is hard to operate it. For stability as a workbench, you have to remove the wheels. There is too much flex in the wheels. So, keep that in mind.
@@HookedonWood I was wondering about the wheels. Can they be locked? Or do they wobble around even when locked in place?
@@HookedonWood Oh, just one other question if I may. How does the benchtop attach to the frame? Do you need to glue it in place or is there some sort of attaching mechanism?
Looks like an accurate system, but unfortunately it is all metric based, and there is no support for 3/4 dog holes. Do you happen to know if there will have any imperial version too? Thanks!
I indeed do not know if there is an imperial alternative. Sorry, maybe other viewers can help!
Maybe this will be the 1% of benches where the dog holes actually get used. It's hilarious watching panel glue-ups , why use the dog holes and some scrapwood wedges when you can use $1000 worth of clamps instead.
I want to see a video demonstating a panel glue up on a doghole table. Preferably from Dennis, but other video links welcome .
I put a grid of dog holes on my workbench because of these trendy CZcams videos and I absolutely hate it. Stuff falls through all the time. Not worth the effort for the type of work I do. If I had to do it again, I might add one or two rows in front of a vise.
You need something to keep in mind when something falls through indeed. But It does not happen to me that much. I agree that adding the full surface with holes is overdone. That is the a kind of disadvantage of this system, as soon as you become too creative, it is hard to keep it accurate.
Way too expensive for a "near perfect" result,better to have the top made,i found a guy on marketplace who does cnc work,so i got the mdf,cut it close to what i wanted,and he did the rest..total cost was about 40 bucks for two 30x30in perfectly cut tops
CNC will be best.
Maybe if your making benches for a living otherwise it’s way to expensive.
Build something there are already to meany tool salesman on CZcams now.
The problems is, that most ask me to do reviews. Mostly the reason is, that I try to be neutral in my view and tell when it is not the way I think it should be. There are very little CZcams channels that handle it this way. Lots of build videos on CZcams, and a lot of them do that better than me. So, my channel is about reviews and shop improvements and shop design. It is about making choices, and those topics are closes to my interest.
I bought the V2 recently to build my own version of Dennis' workbench.
Great value, though I tried to get v1 first at €160 but Axminster cancelled that order