Why aren't CSGO Pros using this keyboard?
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- The Wooting 60HE is fast, customizable, and even sounds good for a gaming keyboard, but the only CSGO pro who seems to be using it is Zywoo. In this video I explain how this keyboard feels in CSGO, and why there aren't more pros using it.
My 60he settings: 0c727bec57b350228b57a3e89f75d2c8491d
Keycaps: amzn.to/41zcYHJ
Switch lubing kit: amzn.to/3nV6LZ5
00:00 - Intro
00:28 - Actuation Distance
00:47 - Rapid Trigger
02:11 - Rapid Trigger Settings
02:52 - Per Key Actuation
03:38 - Adjustment Period
04:38 - Wooting 60HE in Tier 1 CS
05:40 - 60% layout
06:29 - Pros forced to use other keyboards?
07:13 - Advantages of the Wooting 60HE
07:53 - Sound and Customizability
08:35 - G Pro Keyboard Sound Test
09:18 - Wooting 60HE Sound Test
10:35 - Conclusion
11:15 - Outro - Hry
The Apex Pro lineup from Steelseries now has a nearly identical rapid trigger feature, although it isn't as customizable and they are still missing some things like mod tap. However, the apex pro is likely a lot more accessible so this is a great option if you can't get your hands on a wooting board or if you need a TKL layout.
Was gonna head to best buy and pick one up today, but research has led me to quite a few people having issues of phantom keys being pressed or spammed even though you’re not touching them since their rapid trigger update. In some cases it sounds like it comes and goes, in others it sounded like they were completely unusable and essentially “bricked” because of the problem. Went ahead and just ordered a wooting instead. Yes it will probably be fixed but wasn’t willing to take a gamble and would rather just have something that I know will work out of the box.
Well, I just ordered a Wooting and received it a couple of days later. (shipping to Germany). So it’s not really a problem, at least for Europe in September 2023
i had to return 3 apex pro minis because once the software was installed into the keyboard it would spam the keys. There was no way to factory reset it....I have one that "Kinda works". What i mean by that is....there are multiple profiles you should be able to use...for example you dont always want the keys to be super sensitive...so u would use a different profile...but the problem is when i toggle to a different profile...it wont let me toggle back lol so i have to unplug it and plug it back in....after returning 3 this is the best i got and i kept it...also ordered the wooting though lmao .
@@MrPicklock i order a day or two ago and it said january 5th.. im finished
@@grqfes unlucky - Christmas orders I guess
Good take 🙌 cs increasingly adapting.
Really sad wooting doesnt accept paypal and doesnt make ships yo latin america , i would buy no matter the price , other companies are better i guess , they at least care about the rest of the world not just USA USA OR EU EU
Waiting for a wooting 75HE as a gamer that also plays MMOs I need that function row! I had the 60HE on preorder for a few months but decided to drop out because I couldn't live without function row.
But I also need my keyboard smol so tkl size is too wide for me.
Still waiting on a wooting 65 or 75he...
Still waiting for white, TKL 80%, wireless with hyperspeed dongle & raised/open switches..
@@hydronik9838 they're a tiny startup that can barely handle the shipping situation they have now. it's not a matter of "caring" 🤦♂
I legit was just looking up videos on this two days ago and was just randomly recommended your channel. Great vid!
bro you should definitely make more of these essay type cs videos on different topics could definitely grow the channel especially as CS2 is around the corner. Very well laid out/presented.
This keyboard + rapid trigger absolutely broke the game Osu! with top players even hiding/lying about what keyboard they were using to keep their advantage. The skill ceiling seemed to double overnight once the word got out.
Stuff like this is what gets me excited about being a PC gamer. I love new tech
Yeah, I recently noticed a pro I won't name, with his own branded keyboard he advertises using, slip up when he did a collab video with a content creator, and the content creator's different camera angle caught him with a Wooting 60HE, and his keyboard off to the side, lmao!
That's not true! There is no keyboard that makes your skill double overnight that pro players are trying to hide xDDD
Simply wooting is the current meta, and most of osu players can efford it, expecially the keypad one.
So basically it is a skill issue if people can't be super good at the game, there is no secret wooting keyboard that makes the game magically much easier.
Complaining about rapid trigger in osu, is like calling tablet pens a cheat xD (which would actually make more sense, since plaing with mouse is hard to learn)
@@paolo9038bruh this was 10 months ago before keypad release. and top players like sytho were infact hiding their keyboard, saying its the hyperX. Also im not complaining, wooting just registers your inputs better than any other keyboard. It wont make a 6 digit 5 digit, but it helps with fingerlock.
Great video! I've heard about this keyboard couple months ago because some of the streamers/pros started using it in Apex Legends. It's nice to see more in-depth look for cs.
Awesome was waiting too see how this goes with Csgo! Cheers for the great work/review
This is just a well put together video you deserve atleast 30k subs.
List of pros using Wooting keyboards:
ZywOo
tabseN
EliGE
oSee
Nitr0
Freakazoid
DemQQ
shox
Saffee
Kyojin
WOOD7
Kscerato (using wooting 2 he)
honda (honda is tier 1 in my heart)
sdy
there is probably more, this is what I could find on prosettings as of 5/11/2023, during paris major
honda is tier 1 in my heart too
freakazoid
ZywOo use it? say no more, i bought it Kappa
+sdy
+scream (ik val player now but cmon...) using 2HE variant
This is exactly what I was looking for from a review skewed towards CS - nice video
Damn, smooth video man, from start to finish. Thank you for the info.
well i am officially sold, the biggest draw back is missing keys but the advantages when gaming are just too awesome to ignore. thank you for the review! your movement is clean too :)
you could get the wooting two he. its fullsize and has all the same features, it just wont sound as good
@@klunamactuna374 oh this also sounds very enticing. is there a particular reason why it wouldn't sound good? personally sound isn't a huge factor in my decision but i am curious why and if it could be modded if i suddenly did care down the road.
@@linklightCS it's just the way the case is shaped. The 60he has a higher profile case that creates that deep sound. It is probably slightly harder to mod just because of the nature of full-size keyboards, but it wouldn't be too difficult.
They do a full-size it's called the Wooting Two HE.
They releasing an 80% keyboard now
Awesome video dude! The Wooting 80HE founders campaign is going on right now. Snagged ine instantly and cant wait to get it!
W video. Amazing quality and presentation. Thanks bro
the wooting is never sold out over in the uk so im gonna get one on christmas, heard they were insane and this video prooves it even more
very very very very very nice and informative video!
Awesome video! Could you make a video showing what all you modded on your 60he? I’m getting one soon and love your layout.
Damn i was looking for that keycaps on wooting 60, they stay so lit on the black board loved it
i got this when i was playing apex, i came back to cs and couldnt find anything for the wooting! goated
There's a 2 main of reasons:
1. Deceleration is much slower in CS than Val, that's why so many pros use it in Val but not many in CS.
2. CS pros are longstanding traditionalists, they've been playing the game since they were little kids and even stick to 4:3 aspect ratio (even some with black bars, negating the supposed "advantage" from larger player's on stretched) due to familiarity. Majority of the pros use mousepads with laughable quality such as the G640 and GSR for the same reasons.
But wouldn't rapid trigger make Deceleration actually faster in CS?
@@WooXZerah yes it would. If decel is slower in CS you would think you would want a keyboard that could cut decel time even more.
I know everyone is different, but I’ve tried so many pads including Artisans and haven’t found something that I aim as consistently good as the GSR
so do you know which keyboard has the fastest keys or actuation point out of these 3. if u have any idea. please reply. Hyper x alloy core, origin , fps rgb. out of these 3. which has the best keys for valorant so i can do fast strafing. if anyone is a expert.
@@Neonloverx they are identical. get a light switch (red) and you won't notice a difference.
this was great video. kudos
Great keyboard review but the real reason I'm subbing is that cute Dosia sticker on your Ak ;)
Wooting should pay you for this one bruv. Great work!
Seen this board first on “the score esports” . Good to heard other hot takes on the keyboard
Legend, this video is perfect
sick video, keep it up
Exactly the video I needed. Thanks.
PS: About pros not using it... I mean, they're still using the 4:3 BS (there, I said it).
Its worth noting that a 0.1mm actuation point is insanely light. A 0.7mm actuation point is much more reasonable and massively improves consistency
LOL I was in the game with you 4:30... great video too going to have to get myself a Wooting 60HE eventually
no way bro ur the guy that dropped 38 and lost hahahaha ur aim is really good
@@rhodocs ty
I found that I actually prefer a low profile mechanical keyboard with optical switches over the 60HE. It’s technically a little slower but it feels so much more crisp and consistent.
which one specifically
Low profile is definitely a good option, you get faster activation and deactivation than a normal switch and i can understand why some ppl wouldn't want to give up a consistent actuation point
@@phr3ui559 I've got the keychron k5 and the logitech g715. I actually prefer the k5. The g715 feels really cheap for how much it costs.
G915 TKL My Love
That's why I'm "upgrading" my Wooting 60HE with a lower profile case and some low profile keycaps. I've also removed the feet and use mouse grip tape in underneat since they are thin. Oh I've also installed hard o-rings to reduce travel distance. So yeah my Wooting 60HE is almost a full low profile keyboard.
I mean, only recently we started seeing pros swap to 800-1600 DPI, and lowering their in game sens. It was proven to have better accuracy with modern sensors years ago, but most were keeping 400DPI anyways, so seems like maybe a lot of it is them just being set in their way?
great video, keep it up
Great review! This made me look at pro CS player's settings, and gosh darn - almost all of them are using wireless, lightweight mice, good pads and quite good gaming keyboards (razer huntsman v2 tkl, apex pros). CS used to be the most stubborn esport, with players using decade old mice cuz "they're used to it". Glad that's changed
When was even this? xd, what are you talking about?
CS pros were the first people to start using the real first trend of ACTUAL good gaming mice with Zowie. The fuck is this dude on about lmao
Teams can use any companies peripherals for the most part now. You’ll see a good diversity of products within teams regardless of sponsors.
you have made me really want to get this keyboard now haha
NIce video man, how long did it take them to ship you the Wooting 60HE? Like from the day you ordered on their website till the day you received it? thx
how the actual fuck do you have 87 subs, this is high quality... mind blown ong
Insanely underated
There are uncommon uses as well. I use a keyboard bind for zoom, not mouse. I rarely ever double zoom, but let's say you have a situation where you want a fast double zoom. You can bind to activate the bind on press, and activate again on depress, so you essentially double zoom in the time you could single zoom.
Thats really dope I never thought of that
@@rhodocs there may be a software delay though, honestly haven't bothered trying it in CS due to double zooming so rarely but it definitely works in other games. But I feel like you could make similar binds for throwing nades with one press. Or maybe a bind for weapon switch on press and fire on depress if you need an immediate no scope from knife or something.
Pretty sure a regular keyboard would do that too with a micro, not sure how the analog switch help here
@@alfred9805 because it's activating and deactivating by depressing a fraction of the distance it would on a regular keyboard.
Umm, if you hold the zoom button it automatically doublezooms as fast as its possible. Even if you spam your zoom button, it wont be any faster.
I’ve been in the game for a decade and Rhodo makes the best content I’ve ever seen. You guys are all bozos if you’re not subscribed to this man already.
I'd be interested if you could do a video where you explain how you have optimized the actuation distance and on which keys. I imagine it's a trial and error situation, but maybe we can save a little bit of time on your behalf. ;-)
I've just ordered one but I was really hoping they had a TKL keyboard, but its sadly only 60% or fullsize :/ but I guess I'll adapt to 60% rather quickly
I've had mine for a long time, I used to have a full keyboard and the 60% but after a while I've phased out the full keyboard, modtap and FN keys do the same thing for me, the modtap is totally awesome lol.
@@konnj how about the delete key from TKL, any way to use delete on the 60% ?
@@MissMan666 Yeah man I just press down the FN key then backspace which functions as Del.
@@MissMan666 even things like arrowkeys can be mapped as "advanced keys" so say "fn, ctrl, menu, shift" in the bottom right work like normal when holding but work as arrowkeys when tapped :D plus say you like to use page up/down, end and home map them to the function layer on WASD (fn+d = end) Its honestly not hard to get used to I am shocked myself coming from a full size keyboard.
Just bought the Wooting 60HE even though I already love my G915 TKL. Someone mentioned upgrading his wooting to a low profile keyboard and keycaps. Can anyone tell me the brand of this? I feel the height of the G915TKL is perfect for me and would love my wooting to be just as low.
Instead if deactivating rapid trigger for E, ctrl and shift why wouldn't you just activate it for wasd only as there the only keys you would want it on?
Can confirm, i love my wooting and dont want to use any other keyboard ever again
whats your view on Razer's version of this? they just released their version for the huntsman mini analog keyboard
hey i just have a question for any keyboard enthusiast out there is it possible to adapt to 210g spring switch ?
I just got mine today and still trying to adjust settings and get used to it, however 60% is really a pain in the a**
btw is razer orochi v2 your main? then i strongly recommend you to get a zaopin z1 pro, lighter and better hands down.
I've heard someone say that on a scale from 1 to 10 a regular mechanical keyboard would be rated as 9.5 and the wooting a 10 for CS, that the difference isn't that far away but on a high level when every millimeter and millisecond matters it makes a noticeable difference. Would you agree to that?
I would say if you want to get to a high level in csgo you can absolutely get there with almost any keyboard. Playing on a regular mechanical keyboard won't stop you from reaching your potential but there is an advantage to having a faster keyboard
I like off rapid trigger on W beacouse I sometimes stops running while playing
I have gateron gmmk pro with gateron oil kings im curious weather it’s good for cs or not since i have 7.5k hours and I spent quite a bit of money modding it.
Ive seen some other pros play the 60HE. One of the Gamer Legion players had one yesterday
So the more mm u put the faster the activation and deactivation for rapid trigger?
my 60he came with terrible stabilizers, it varies from person to person. You can tell they put lube in there, but lubing only the joint of the stab wire doesnt always get rid of all of the rattle. I would recommend disassembling and lubing the wire itself. But it's true that it is already a lot better than other gaming keyboards on the market
Interesting, mine was really good but hopefully wooting can improve on the qc so it doesn't vary so much
@@rhodocs I think it’s understandable for a gaming keyboard. Having lube on the stabs is kind of just a kind gesture rather than being an actual selling point. Those who really care about sound will have tools to fix stabs anyway.
Looking at the website, is the Wooting 2 HE just the 60HE but in a Full Size keyboard layout?
🔥making it out of silver with this one 😎
yea I just went to a 60% keyboard without an audio nob and I didnt like it so I went straight back to my usual tenkeyless (edit: oh just learned wooting has a full keyboard version, that's nice)
but this video has made me have some second thoughts, so maybe when I can afford it I'll try it out in the future
You can get the same rapid trigger effect if you don't bottom out every time you press the key, you can just rest your fingers on certain keys, and get the same actuation speed if you know how much weight you can rest on the switch before hitting the actuation point.
Yes you can do what you are describing, but it's a completely different thing than rapid trigger and works absolutely nothing like it.
That requires a kind of accuracy in the middle of a key press that is almost impossible to achieve consistently, but rapid trigger works at any point on the switch travel, eliminating that skill factor.
Are you stupid or something?its like you compare idle gas that you can do the same by holding the clutch
What actuation point do you guys run on your jump and crouch, cant find my rhythm in kz.
Would you recommend the use continuous rapid trigger?
are there any other brands out there with similar features that we can compare to?
i cant wait for the 80he in july
W2HE coming in a few days and I'm hyped. I've only ever used cheap IBM/Dell/freebie crappers for 2 decades of gaming and work. W2HE because I need a work tool and with a trackball I don't care how big a board is (not being a midget also helps).
I wanted one of these keyboards but the biggest limitation for me was the 60% size. The larger option on the other hand is tooooo large (I dont want numpad)
some ppl actually consider fingers off home to be a fail, their world (and keyboard) is very small.
apex pro TLK
You can buy an external numberpad for more binds and place it somewhere that doesnt obstruct mouse space
well the 80HE just got announced
so you mentioned you bought heavier springs correct ? And you switched out the keycaps. I am simply curious. Would this throw off any of the software and mm actuations at all due to them not being configured with the stock stuff ? Or am I thinking way too much about this ? I just recall somewhere peopel saying getting different keycaps could be a potential issue.
You really shouldn't have to worry about the keycaps, unless they are heavy enough to activate the switch itself lmao. Huge selling point of the keyboard is that you can customize it to look however u want with case and keycaps etc. As for springs, if you get the ones that wooting sells on their site u won't have any issues. I've been using it for like 3 months at this point with no problems
really wish they have ones with 86% or TKL layout, i just cant use 60%
Apex pro's got a free software update btw, so they now have rapid trigger as well! :)
I love this keyboard, but I still don’t understand the difference between continuous rapid trigger and the default rapid trigger, for some reason I can’t feel a difference, what are you using?
From what I understand if you have continuous rapid trigger on then rapid trigger stays on until you completely let go of the key, whereas if you have continuous rapid trigger off then it turns off when you release past your set actuation point. So if you had your actuation point at 2mm but continuous rapid trigger on at 0.15mm, once you pressed the switch down past 2mm now rapid trigger is on at 0.15mm until you fully let go of the key (you can spam the key really fast until you completely let go of it). For my settings it doesn't matter because I play with 0.1mm actuation and 0.15mm rapid trigger. Wootility code: 0c727bec57b350228b57a3e89f75d2c8491d
If you use a very small actuation point(which you should be in FPS games) then it doesnt really make a difference.
Did you lube the Stabs with the Wooting recommended Lube. I watched the video on their channel which recomended to use another lube seperate from Krytox. Any help is appreciated!
My stabilizers were very lubed when i got the board so i didnt touch them, but they are just normal stabilizers so whatever lube you would typically use on stabilizers would work. Maybe check what hipyotech or switchandclick use
sick vid
I have a really good reaction time and my steelseries keyboard just got that rapid trigger update and strafing is much easier. Can say I would get the Apex pro tkl for the average person but wooting is gonna be my next keyboard since the software is on the web plus I personally don't like the steelseries software imo.
Edit: Also I have used red and yellow switches can say this stuff is all preference but the video is really good. Don't get it twisted you can do good on both just means this could be easier
what actuation should i use for apex pro tkl
You should switch out the nasty plastic case to a aluminum like the tofu60 and lub up or change out the space bar stabilizer to really make it sound better
The case swap isn't going to really help sound all that much. It's very very hard to get a wooting to sound nice. The benefit of lubing it yourself over the factory lube is so negligible that I'd say it's a waste of time. Just my opinion though.
6:06 Fellow Launders enjoyer 😎
What key caps did you put on there. Those would go good with my wooting in a tofu 2 case. Just have not found the right key caps until now. Link for the caps please 🙏
updated description with link to the keycaps
mine has had issues from the start. sometimes you can sling the thing around and it doesn't come unplugged but other times you barely slide it half an inch and it disconnects. when it disconnects sometimes some of the keys don't work so I have to keep unplugging it and plugging it back in until the keys work. ive powered through these issues for almost a year know but i think I'm going to switch soon because the issues have gotten worse.
I'm hoping you've tried a different cable at the minimum.
@@konsolidated i have and its done nothing. The cable that it came with works fine with with my other keyboard.
@@thiccmingo ahhh, my wooing cable never worked but I've had no problem with other cables.
ty for this video
just bought the 100% version
That’s a nice leet museo craft damn 10:48
ty bro crafted it myself a few months ago
i already get 96-98% counter strafe accuracy on refrag why would this be needed
Just ordered one of these for overwatch and valorant, can’t wait! 🎉🎉
Also I was previously playing on a laptop with a membrane keyboard. 😂
what's the code of the crosshair in this video?
Another thing that people aren't talking about with analog keyboards is that they allow you to walk silently faster than regular shift walking, as demonstrated by 3kliksphilip
Faceit doesn't allow controller or analog keyboards that are being used as a controller, I pretty much only play faceit so I haven't touched it. I am interested to see how it affects air strafing though
@@rhodocs Yeah faceit don't allow it and that fast shift walk speed has been patched in normal matchmaking too. The only advantage like that you can currently get is accurate shooting while walking speed. You can set your velocity be just below 80 units which is little faster than crouch walking speed and still be accurate. It's quite a lot slower than normal walking speed but it can look hilarious when you are just walking and tapping heads and being accurate at the same time.
wasn't that patched
@@DarkStunterand how do I do that on my wooting he?
@@dk-ku4tc Did you find anything? not sure if true or marketing people spreading stuff
Bought this and a death adder v3
nice video btw what keycaps are those?
Glorious aura v1 pudding keycaps
As of last major zywoo is using the xtrfy k5 compact, not the wooting.
Hi. What is that white thing u connected ur earphone to? I use kz zsn pro iem with apple usb-c dongle and cable is too short.
Its a 3.5 mm extension cable, just make sure you don't get it confused with an aux cable which has male connection on both ends. Hope this helps! :)
it is good? rtings give less points than for steelseries apex pro tkl 2023
Wondering if i could get 4 switches and replace them with my brown switches just letter W A S D (3 pin) without software support
Nah the switches just have a magnet in them, u need the pcb to have hall effect sensors for the keyboard to even have an output. There's no contact points like regular switches, has nothing to do with software
have you noticed any improvements in playing KZ after adjusting to the keyboard?
Honestly I'm not good enough at kz for it to have a noticeable impact on my long jumping or anything lol. I've gotten better just from playing but not due to the keyboard necessarily. Someone much better than me would likely be able to push the limits of rapid trigger a bit more and do tons of strafes n such
I'm not sure how the 60% kb thing is a problem given they sell a 100% kb too
Short answer the team is sponsored by a peripherals company and can't because its in the contract.
he said that..
there are pro players who use wooting I saw osee use it and other pros in the Paris major that use it but it will become more and more popular like in valorant and also u have to wait like 4 months for it
Bro can you please recommend a keyboard other than this? The wait time for the wooting is until november for me and i dont want to wait that long. Im grinding cs2 right now and want to switch from my gmmk 2 keyboard. I have the gpx 2 mouse coming in today and want another keyboard. My budget is 200$. What the best keyboard i can get for cs or just fps in general? Appreciate you!
Would definitely reccomend the apex pro if it fits your price range, the new software update allows it to have the same rapid trigger feature as the wooting. If not, maybe try a low profile logitech keyboard like the g915. Thanks for the comment :)
Appreciate you my friend
How long did it take you to stop accidentally moving? Certainly my biggest issue using the wooting for a few days now
I would maybe start around 1.0mm or 0.9mm actuation point and then slowly work your way down as you feel more comfortable, it took me 2 or 3 weeks to stop hitting W by accident at 0.1mm lol. Ideally you don't want to feel like you need to hover your fingers above the keys, u should still be able to rest your fingers on them comfortably
@@rhodocs yea i have started with 0.7mm. in high pressure situations i start to just randomly slide left or right lol. appreciate your response and videos!
Also disagree w no rapid trigger for crouch bc you can fuck with head movement way more like starting to crouch a little and then immediately uncrouching
I don't actually think niko is forced to use the keyboard he uses, his other team mates use different keyboards.
Wow, i really only cared about kz, watching random wooting kb videos on yt. Someone actually talked about it, thanks. Kinda need a 75% layout rn
should really update the description or make a comment that steelseries now have a comparable 0.1mm actuation point +rapid trigger :)
Done, pinned comment 👍
I remember ZywOo is using it
It’s also the reason why I got one
If the goat use it, it must be very good
Wooting literally has perfect auto counter strafe binds w the dks bro this keyboard is fucking nuts