A Year Later the Wooting 60HE is STILL the Best Gaming Keyboard
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Deep dive into the outstanding Wooting 60HE keyboard. This has a lot of things going on I've never seen in a keyboard and solves a lot of the issues people have with prior analog keyboards. There's plenty of features here that work in all games, but if you play Valorant or Fortnite especially, this is worth a look.
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Chapters:
00:00-02:43 - Why Lekker (Hall Effect) Switches
02:44-04:07 - Rapid Trigger
04:08-04:55 - Digital Modes / Latency
04:56-06:59 - Issues w Analog Modes
07:00-08:39 - New Analog Features
08:40-9:21 - Sound Test
9:22-11:23 - Modding
11:24-14:19 - Conclusion
#wooting #60he #gamingkeyboard - VÄda a technologie
WOW - response to this has been huge! The comments are amazing - really appreciate you all more than you know. Couple things:
1) I have no idea what this mouse is that everyone's talking about. What mouse?
2) The Salvation has some challenges for case dampening due to the leaf spring mount and all the switches weren't lubed or rotated for the vid, so I didn't want to sound check that setup bc I didn't think it was a fair representation of what's possible w the case swap.
3) I ordered a Tofu 60 case yesterday since I think that will be the most affordable/accessible/easily modded option for a lot of people. I'm gonna lube & rotate all these switches over the weekend and I'll start work on a short vid about HOW good I can get this to sound/feel in a custom case along w some shorts content for those of you that just want the sound test
Hope everybody has a great weekend! -bp
Maybe they are talking about the new mz1 wirless mice
I think the mouse people are referring to is the silver and gold engraved looking one. It's very eye catching.
This is exactly what i thought of when I realized this was a universal tray mount. Put this thing in a tofu 60, slap some gmk on there, and boom! New daily driver. I'm guessing you can spring swap these so dual stage 63.g sounds pretty nice eh?
This would be also awesome for Osu! just because it would be so easier to spam keys (you have to click very quickly, fast to the point where you click with 2 keyboard keys instead of a mouse)
Maybe the new DeathAdder!?đ§đ€«
đłblushing - coming from you, this means a lot to us. The team is elated. This is 6 years of hard work, building experience, and learning from challenging times. It's absolutely gratifying to see how you nailed the entire purpose of the Wooting 60HE.
I'm not one to heap a lot of praise for no reason, but when you earn it, you earn it. Your team knocked it out. đȘ Sidenote - HOW were you guys introducing new features WHILE I was in the process of auditing this thing?? Mad lads lol
Please consider a Tsangan bottom row layout for custom keyboard enjoyers
It's a woot for wooting! Nicely done
Verdorie, nu wil ik er Ă©Ă©n!
Nice keyboard honestly!
as a web developer, the web configurator there made me smile a lot. its really cool to see a completely web-based interface, no electron, no other bs, just the webUSB api :)
There's also a configurator that you can install and run, guess what framework has been used... Now this is not unexpected as reusing the code of the web based configurator makes a lot of sense from a practical point of view.
Are you using the Wooting? I prefer this over the Apex Pro but the Steelseries has a TKL version with dedicated function keys. Iâm afraid Iâm going to miss those in IntelliJ when I decide to go with this KB.
@@CZcamsGetsWorseEveryUpdate theres a full size if you like them
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Interesting that Mozilla doesn't support this. â ïž
Wow. Normally when people say "___ is THE BEST ____" it's super subjective and rarely involves innovation or unique functionality, but honestly this board seems to break ground in a number of different ways. Impressive. Give me a 65% or 75% and Id probably pick one up.
Haha thanks yeah bold statement for sure, even by my standards, but Iâm honestly just floored so see so much thought and *usable* features go into this thing
@@badseedtech Key words "usable features" pretty rare these days to find a product that has features that aren't solving a problem that hasn't just been invented. Great review as always.
I came from a TKL and honestly I don't want to go back. Mod tap for arrow keys, FN and the numbers are your f row, and FN backspace is Del. After a week it's all natural.
What's the game at 5:37?
@@snakejuce battlefield 2042, I paid $160 CAD for this shit game...
I called my mom and told her what I want for Christmas, she said, dude you are 35 now, you can buy the Wooting yourself.
She is right
This is my favorite comment of the day so far đđ
Wow, absolutely stellar review. This is clearly a must buy, made by a company who takes the time to get it right, and reviewed by a critic who take the time to be well informed.
Thanks for the kind words, man! đđŒ
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This really is the most innovative board Iâve seen in a long time. Worth the purchase to me 100%. Wooting is doing really great things.
This looks like the new gold standard in keyboards. Wooting have made everything else look like a relic with this one.
That switch feature is amazing. I want this board now. I feel like I drift around 3d maps in a game while playing relaxed, and to have fast accurate movements takes so much energy, this switch can fix all of those problems for me. Good video.
Wow they really made every right decision with this thing not just for gamers but enthusiasts too. Really want my hands on one now.
I've always quietly cheered for smaller companies with unique products, and Wooting is no different. While their product isn't quite for me, I'm so incredibly excited they've been keeping at it and released such a solid hitter.
I can really tell a lot of thought and energy was put into making this video. You do great stuff Brian, and I really appreciate you.
Also, this keyboard looks SICK.
Thanks! I had a blast with this one. Awesome to see something really push the industry forward for a change
the first few sections, you introduced some tech that topped steelseries and razer. this caught my attention. i was completely unprepared and quite literally dropped my jaw the moment i realized how customizable this board is, from plates, sounds dampening, etc. my jaw only returned to my face when i starting typing this. impeccable category introductions and possibly the most fitting title. amazing as always brian.
What a BANGER review! i love that this thing is leading tech while also being as customizable as it is. Getting core badseedtech vibes on this and good to see you talking about the gaming space again. Great job B!
My man. Appreciate you
Considering this keyboardâs competitor, apex pro mini being so overpriced, 200 bucks just for the wired, I see this keyboard as an absolute win for wooting
Im selling all my shitty gaming keyboards like k100, razer analog, even apex pro cous wooting ist best they even have pbt keycaps for DE đđ
For real, it blows them out of the water. No competiton.
@ indeed, Hall effects can last u years, and I mean it, it can last u for over 1 billion key strokes and thatâs an understatement.
@ thx, i didnt know that. i almost settled with ordering ansi-us and trying to get used to it. BTW for my fellow ISO users: the other language options are only available on the ARM version.
Awesome review and description as always..... looking forward to feeling the speed.
I had mine delivered yesterday, looking forward to using it. Thanks for the video, it was very helpful.
A gaming keyboard that can be customized in both software and hardware sounds amazing. Even the switches can be pulled out for lubing, damn.
What's the game at 5:37?
@@snakejuce looks like battlefield
@@insulinaddict9586 yeah someone mentioned it in another comment. Thanks though young blood. Also just realized your name, I fckn love it. (u dont have diabx though right?)
This is insane, thank you so much. Incredible to see all the details we obsess over every day highlighted here.
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Just ordered this board, thank you for the great review!
Really incredible video. It reminds me of a lot of your older videos which covered new and innovative peripherals. With most peripheral companies being very stale right now, this new release and video felt like a breath of fresh air. I really love the effort that you put into this video, it was a joy to watch. Itâs awesome how they really made this board perfect while also thinking about the custom market. Keep it up! đ„
This video was super nostalgic for me. Really brought me back to the days when I found the channel for the first time. Loved this coverage and despite being knee deep in the customs side of things, this might be a 100% pickup for me. Too much good stuff here to pass up on.
Also, Iâm looking at the order page, thereâs ARM and AVR. This is new to me. Iâm guessing youâre reviewing the AVR version? What advantages does ARM have?
Thank you so much brother. FELT really good to make this.
100% agree. Really reminded me when companies were innovating to this level and thatâs it would cover their new releases in such an in-depth and enjoyable way. Iâm deep into customs too so Iâm not sure if Iâm going to pick up this board but itâs definitely awesome.
@@darkstrider13 it was a little wordy and confusing for the vid but the short of it is that the Arm models will hold more memory so they will be future proofed to a higher degree as Wooting inevitably continues to add more functionality. When I asked them, they said all AVR models should fit the current roadmap at least until early 2024
Did any one see the Razer deathadder v3 pro? đ€Ż 4:10
Great video. I also remember Hausgaming covering this keyboard manufacturer and that's what made me hooked!
Haus is a beast! He actually helped me get the overlay in Valorant sorted for this video
Wow, here's something you don't see everyday. From all the keyboard stuff out there this definitely stands out in function and is in a relatively universal form factor which allows for lots of custom stuff too. Very well thought out. Love the software customisation and best part doesn't need to be constantly running or even installed, simply awesome. Definitely going on the shortlist for "to buy"
Thank you for showing it, well done
This video was excellent from start to finish. Thank you!
Such a amazingly thorough video! I feel like I know exactly what this is about without even holding one in my hand
Coming from the scientist himself, Iâll take that as a very high compliment! đđđŒ
Great video! Canât wait to see what people do with these. Wooting really outdoes themselves every time in this market. Hard to beat for the price point.
I donât think Iâve ever wanted a keyboard as badly as I do this one. Holy hell what a great job done by wooting. Great review man, you broke everything down and explained it all so well. Legit stoped the video halfway to go look up this board lol
Bonkers for sure! Great stuff as always Brian! Excited to get my hands on this!
wooting really be taking in it to the next level with their work
As a keyboard enthusiast, and someone who actually owns another Hall Effect board, I was pretty excited when I saw this thing drop. Especially when I realized the Lekker switches are manufactured by Gateron. Pretty cool stuff. As a gamer, I also appreciate a board with gaming oriented features. Had to preorder one of these, and fortunately I did, as they are going to be going up in prices. I went for the ARM version, so it'll be here later in the year, but a 2-3 month lead time is nothing when you are used to 1+ years for group buys... I'm pretty excited to try out analog as well, since my HE board I own now doesn't have it, but it looks cool, and I remember this being a huge selling point for the original Wooting boards, especially in games like CSGO.
Honestly such a great review, production quality and showcase of all the new features in a way that is easily understandable đ
Brian, of all the years I have been following your channel I have to say this is your best review to date and one that has be SALIVATING to get the product, I love it when the reviewer genuinely loves a product and it shows through. What sold me was the ability to rotate the switches around and being able to use different cases. Looking forward to you reviewing some wireless gaming headphones as it is a confusing market for me as a consumer and others I am sure.
dope to see technological improvements like this in an age where it feels like a lot of stuff is plateauing on progression
I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't all that impressed until he got to the hotswap part, and then was blown away at case swapability and south facing rotation ability. That's genuinely impressive for a stock board.
Great video and an even greater keyboard. Love when companies take the more customer-friendly, almost downright open-source approach to developing products. That way you get things that are performant and standardized at the same time. Kudos, Wooting.
Very exciting video and board. Loved how genuinely hyped you were about the board and it's features and the in-depth breakdown. Best critic and reviewer in the game hands down
Sneaking the deathadder v3 pro in the vid đ§ It's beautiful
while this board probably wouldn't fit my use case, i love to see wooting innovating and improving with their boards. keep it up yall!
ty - for very detailed explanation and video - this is awesome!!
Brilliant review (as always). But especially concise for the wealth of information. love it. damn, I want one.
This board sounds like it would be a dream for fighting games. Being able to footsy back and forth faster than normal sanwa switches and damn near eliminating the travel time of specials to just your reaction time.
Even better,you can roast your opponents in chat while racing... XD
My only downsides with this keyboard? Wish they had options between 60 and 100%. Like a 70% would be perfect for me. And that "Off-White inspired" strap is a really cool looking touch... but only on the 60% version?...
70%-75% keyboards are overlooked imo, those are the perfect sizes for me below TKL
80% launching soon
@@disadadi8958 I've seen so đ Doesn't look like it's coming with the strap either unfortunately... but I guess that makes more sense on the smallest version
Great review man! Your videos really reflect your passion and it's awesome to see a review/product with a perfect "score". Keep up the excellent work brother.
This is the best no-nonsense tech vid I've seen around CZcams in ages. I learned a lot and I was interested the whole time.
đđŒđđŒ thanks brother. Sorry I didnât hit you back yesterday, was filming all day
Fascinating how that escalated from "this is an extremely novel 'gaming' keyboard" to "this also has insane features that a $750 custom keyboard with none of the gaming features simply cannot do"
Not at all the competitive gamer but this is actual innovation in the device space.
I wasn't sold till the release point actuation change feature.
If it works for you that could be absolutely game changing for valorant or for me for csgo.
I'll be honest - I'm tempted.
what a solid review just pre-ordered
Dude, this is the first video of yours I'v ever seen, I have to say, you are a fantastic presenter. I'll definitely be subscribing and checking out more of your content.
The keyboard looks great and you've done a great job densely packing in a lot of information in such a brief video.
Yeah, I'm a backer and I don't regret it, the overall package is really nice for a retail board. However I'm using variable actuation point a little bit different: I set it to 2.5 mm rather than the 1 mm default.
Actually this might also be a game changer for the FGC. Fighting games also use "micro walk" inputs. Traditional arcade button switches like Sanwas are definitely not as refined as gaming keyboard switches.
Just opened mine up today, upgrading from a Corsair K70 mini pro. Already in love and I can back the hype I keep seeing.
I've been in the hobby for over 2 years, but this stuff excites me. It's awesome how innovative this is and how we can actually gain some sort of advantage out of it.
4:12 wait a minute. That isnt the Viper V2 Pro.
Iâm just hoping that the custom keyboard community embraces the switch technology so that there are more options for switch type and sound
Time to buy, great review!
Best detailed exceptional truth telling review i ever saw for a keyboard and i watched a lot of yt woowoo keyboard reviews 30+....i will get my hands on one of those
Love the idea of using a browser to adjust settings to limit dumb software I need to run all the time
Same!
4:09 The new Deathadder V3?
Your review is really incredible! The in depth review, the sound, the shots, everything is top notch! congratz, earned a new subscriber!
Fantastic review my guy! đ
The keyboard in terms of functionality is impressive. It would be interesting to see if they can sell their pcb and switches separately. Considering these can go in 3rd party shell. Like you said the only gripe is it not being wireless. Which i guess if they release v2 with as wireless. This can be easily crown as best gaming keyboard hands down.
Due to the nature of the switches they would only sell the module as one piece. And they stated that it would still cost almost as much for just the module so you might as well get a case and cable with it.
@@moonmessiah9368 understandable considering if the module already cost so much
@@navinnaido3203 if you think about it thats where all the R&D is. The case and keycaps are all quality but they are not what you are buying the board for. The main cost is the Lekker Switch and the Firmware.
This keyboard is actually on another level god damn.
Now all they need to do is split the spacebar 2 or 3 ways somehow while keeping it somewhat natural and they have the best keyboard for gaming
Thatâs a really common request. Wooting does have a habit of listening to stuff like that
just preordered, thx!
Sold me on it honestly
getting it around Christmas 100%
Thank you for the review
9:00 is this stock stabs? which stabs would you take.... bcus wooting also said they have already tried to look for the best stabs in their vids
Those are the stock stabs yeah. The factory lube was ...generous lol. I honestly wouldn't even change them bc they fit the plate so well.
which switch opener do you use or can recommend?
You can use an mx style - even dirt cheap plastic ones. I use a very expensive Gateron opener but its not necessary
Brianâs reco works for me. Purchased. Canât wait to get this on my desk!!
high quality content, subscribed.
4:11
Hold up what do i see here ???
You see nothing lmao
4:10
deathadder v3 ?
amazing review brian!
Great review B, this board looks insane.
I'm just waiting for them to make a 75% version
Thank you for the review
I ordered one instantly after watching this review. Iâve been using duckyone2 minis for a while now and have been holding out on âcustomâ boards.
Iâm glad that Iâve waited because this is right up my alley, not fully custom but a damn good idea / design. I love it, canât wait to get mine!
Best? That's a huge statement, my man.
Best is highly subjective
@@leviathanpriim3951 Is it not Favourite is highly subjective?
Maybe watch the video before commenting num nuts
Huge statement indeed. Honestly feel like thereâs nothing better out there at this point specifically for gaming
As far as I am concerned, the whole "optical switches are faster" thing is borderline a scam. When you press a mechanical switch, the metal parts keep rattling and they may accidently touch each other more than once. That's why a simple code is added to the firmware; all it does is recognize when you press a specific button and ignores the next presses for the next couple of milliseconds in order to let the metal parts stop rattling. So basically you do not make the initial reaction slower, you just limit how fast you can press the same button twice (to a timeframe that is so small, you would never even notice it)
You are incorrect. While unnoticeable without testing, it is indeed faster on even the first click.
The photoresistor in an optical switch is extremely sensitive and sends a "1" signal much faster than it takes for a mechanical switch to reach wetting current. Not to mention, the PTR starts getting light even before the plunger has fully even bottomed out.
> 0.00000000001ms latency
More like ~0.5ms faster response time, on just switch level, not even accounting for firmware delays.
I think the effect of low latency firmware and debounce delay is player specific. Commonly spammed keys being actuated quicker canât be a bad thing. *Most* players probably wonât be affected by debounce delay, but some are.
That's actually not true. Most debounce is done by delaying the input for extra accuracy. Eager debounce (what you described) sends the change immediately and then ignores subsequent inputs, but it's still somewhat prone to accidental inputs and occasionally even double inputs. As you said, this changes the delay between inputs but not the initial input. Deferred debounce, which is the standard, detects the state change, then waits a set period of time to see if the state is the same, THEN sends it to the computer. This is better in terms of accuracy but adds some latency (5 ms being the standard debounce time for most enthusiast boards). You can also do asymmetrical debounce and do eager for actuation and deferred for release, which generally works pretty well IMO.
In and of itself, that 5 ms is really not a big deal, but for whatever reason, there's also inherent latency in many keyboards as compared to many gaming keyboards. The lowest possible latency, even using eager debounce (or no debounce), on the GMMK Pro, for example, is around 6 ms, whereas the Logitech G915 is more like 2 ms or less. Again, I'm not saying that's a noticeable difference that anyone should care about, but it is there and some boards are much worse than that.
This is incorrect. Running the code in the firmware still adds around 1ms of delay which is why optical keyboards have lower latency. Even this Wooting keyboard still has a 0.7 ms delay however the adjustable actuation and rapid trigger still make it faster than an optical in the real world. However it will be difficult to notice a 1 ms difference but the only 1ms mechanical boards I am aware of are the expensive corsair boards.
@@nickglover For some reason I thought that the standard is Eager by now because the switch manufacturers have improved so much and false triggering isn't much of an issue anymore, but after taking a look at the documentation of QMK it looks like the default algorithm used by them is still the deferred. It's negligible, but it seems like I was wrong; the default debounce algorithm indeed slows mechanical keyboards that use QMK's default algorithm.
Amazing review for an amazing looking product. I really want to get ahold of one now. Wish they made one in the 75% size that would get my money asap
All ur videos are amazing brother. Great detail and very informative, keep up the good work and thank you
Thanks very much!
I donât know why but this video is making me nostalgic of when I first found your channel and itâs amazing.
Also holy shit good video , the most detailed review Iâve seen on 60hd easily.
I've watched pretty much every keyboard video you've put out and THIS is finally the one you sold me on. I'm pretty partial to TKL though....
Insanely detailed review, Brian! Damn
this board is actually crazy, thanks for the video!
What a fantastic video. You sir are incredible at what you do. I think Iâll buy this keeb now!
Haha thanks Matthew. I had a lot of fun with this one bc every time I wondered if it did something, the answer was yes lol
Wooting even added features to the firmware in between me getting the board and writing the initial reviewâŠtheyâre insane
Awesome review. I hope we will soon have a standard set for HE PCBs and then there will be options for switches.
Tbh when I heard "magnets" before Wooting GBI was sceptical, but now HE seems so natural and solid.
excellent review!!!
I like your performance and your information and I enjoy a lot when I watch videos đ
One of your best reviews and a truly amazing piece of equipment! Tempted but would hold out for the wireless version
Great Review. Thank you.
You're the second techtuber I've seen that's SUPER hyped about the 60HE, it's fun to see something so good get released into the market đ
I wish they'd release a 75% version
Great review and info. I though optical and magnetic switches were the same thing. Now I see there completely different. Thank you for that.
Great video - ordered. Hopefully comes with that sweet yellow/black cable.
This is actually an exceptional review, quality and information off the roof.
First time seeing your channel. Quality of your video + quality of your review just caused me to pre-order one of these, and also sub to you :-) Keep up the amazing work!
As always, great review. Iâve grown to trust your reviews as you arenât about hopping on hype trains, or pulling punches. You laid everything out about this complex board in a highly digestible and intuitive manner. Iâll be looking to pick this up even though Iâve sworn off prebuilts. Rapid trigger, custom firmware without software, AND can be used in enthusiast cases? Thatâs insane for the price. Thanks again, as I came to get a look at that mouse (r/mousereview) and would have missed this otherwise.
Also, what desk mat is that? Looks dope!
This is one of the best reviews Iâve watched in a very long time, remarkable job đ
Thanks so much!
You convinced me to order one right now. Will be here in august.
Just like the last vid amazing chill yet hype work amazing review also 12:40 such A SMOOTH SEGWAY hot damnđ„
No brainer⊠period. And as always, fantastic coverage. Concise, on point, and straight up smooove.