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Komentáře • 510

  • @Red-Dead-Ranger
    @Red-Dead-Ranger Před 2 lety +89

    "I will carve out your heart with a spoon." Love this movie. RIP Alan Rickman.

    • @ShirotoraGodsbane
      @ShirotoraGodsbane Před 2 lety +7

      One of the best threats in cinema history.

    • @Kaldeon
      @Kaldeon Před 2 lety +9

      "Why a spoon, cousin?"

    • @Alakazzam09
      @Alakazzam09 Před 2 lety +15

      @@Kaldeon "because it's dull you twit it will hurt more"

    • @magnificus8581
      @magnificus8581 Před 2 lety +8

      My wife and I quote that all the time, particularly when we empty the dishwasher!

    • @peterbayne7227
      @peterbayne7227 Před 2 lety +5

      @@Alakazzam09 "And keep the stiches small!"

  • @userJanus3003
    @userJanus3003 Před 2 lety +162

    About ten years ago, I was in a short story class and wrote a little action tale. Dashing hero, sexy heroine, sleazy villain, the works. I remember being so afraid of my heroine looking like a helpless damsel that I wound up undermining my protagonist to make the heroine look tougher. I posted my first draft, and my classmates, who were mostly women, didn't like it. They wanted my male hero to be more competent and actually get things done. The ladies wanted to see my male character save the day.
    Second draft, I gave him a lot more to do and dialed back the heroine's abilities. Ultimately, he takes care of the bad guys, saves her neck, and she uses the distraction to open up an escape. My classmates liked it a lot better.
    Basically, I'm still learning to stop feeling ashamed of the stories I want to write, traditional or "problematic" as they may be. Apologetic stories that cater to the tastes of people who'll hate me no matter what just results in crap writing I'll never be proud of.

    • @Halo_Legend
      @Halo_Legend Před 2 lety +13

      Just watch anime for inspiration. They have many feminine and heroic female characters.
      I'm not talking about shounen, though, don't watch it, don't know.

    • @BernasLL
      @BernasLL Před 2 lety +14

      I think if you gender switched in your second draft it wouldn't have worked either, and it's not quite about which gender has to do what, traditionally.
      People really don't usually care for either incompetent protagonists, and it's hard to pull off over-achievers, since you have to throw a lot in their way whilst not have them have a easy time with it, having to earn their victories all the same instead of Mary Sueing their way through the plot.

    • @WasatchWind
      @WasatchWind Před 2 lety +12

      I think there's a strong tendency to feel embarrassed during the writing process. One might feel afraid that groups portrayed in your story will take offense at how they are portrayed, as one variety it manifests in.
      I have my own variety of embarrassment from my in progress novel. I'm writing a high fantasy about a war between humans and merfolk. My embarrassment stems from that to many, merfolk isn't even a term that they know, any humanoid sea creature being called a "mermaid" regardless of whether they're a woman or a man.
      There is a strong cultural feeling that mermaids are something not just for girls, but for you girls to be interested in. This I've felt no shortage of squeamishness considering I'm a guy in his mid 20s.
      As I've slowly started sharing my story however, people have seemed perplexed when I've mentioned this embarrassment. They do not see that I am spending hours looking up myths about merfolk, puzzling out how things in their society would work... they simply have a finished product placed before them, and are able find it all feeling acceptable because they are immersed in a believable narrative.
      I think that for whatever reason we may feel anxiety about our writing, we should ensure that we get lots of feedback to understand that the readers will view our work far differently from our own.

    • @narnia1233
      @narnia1233 Před 2 lety +14

      I’m a woman, we love heroes. I disagree that it’s “problematic.” I think if you’re not making women into purely a sex object, but a person, then you’re fine.
      In fact a lot of us can’t relate to “women” in modern stories because they literally write them without any feminine traits and they make them impossibly strong.
      Have fun and don’t let people get you down.

    • @yeraycatalangaspar195
      @yeraycatalangaspar195 Před 2 lety +3

      Its very difficult to beat the pulp feeling. If you look at what woman want in they heroes is the same. Tall, dominant, competent... The only ones going at it are over socialized, self hating people than want any kind of competence erased because it makes them look bad.

  • @WasatchWind
    @WasatchWind Před 2 lety +120

    This Robin Hood is just such a fun, unapologetic adventure. Other stories will examine more complex heroes and villains, but it is always nice to return to these kinds of films. It is the kind of story Hollywood is determined to not make today.

    • @kirgan1000
      @kirgan1000 Před 2 lety +11

      and it can also have diversity that make sense in the story.

    • @tjvista8177
      @tjvista8177 Před 2 lety +8

      @@kirgan1000 Not just that, but have the characters be enjoyable for viewes to watch as well.

    • @fatetestarossa2774
      @fatetestarossa2774 Před 2 lety +4

      INDEED

  • @firewolf2930
    @firewolf2930 Před 2 lety +18

    "That was back when men were men and women loved them for it" - a great saying

    • @Hero_Of_Old
      @Hero_Of_Old Před 2 lety +8

      Its still that way, and always will be despite what the mainstream gaslights you with.

  • @Ellthom
    @Ellthom Před 2 lety +280

    I would like this to be a regular series. There are many great examples of well written traditional and classic heroes. Knowing how passionate you are at Knights Watch I would love for you all to this. Keep up the good work :)

    • @KamalAdnanTheFirst
      @KamalAdnanTheFirst Před 2 lety +7

      Same!! There's a lot that can be done with this. I would be interested to know about the past movies that are not only entertaining and great in terms of storyline but also teaches good lessons.

    • @JaKorsarz
      @JaKorsarz Před 2 lety +1

      Agree

    • @Kaldeon
      @Kaldeon Před 2 lety +9

      Next topic: CONAN

    • @KamalAdnanTheFirst
      @KamalAdnanTheFirst Před 2 lety +3

      @@Kaldeon Oh YEAH!!

    • @firewolf2930
      @firewolf2930 Před 2 lety +3

      great idea

  • @elijahnewell8064
    @elijahnewell8064 Před 2 lety +23

    I love the old Disney Robin Hood. One of Disney's most underrated classics.

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 Před 2 lety +3

      The thing that stands out is how they made it on the cheap, with a hefty percentage of the art assets re-traced from _The Jungle Book._ Baloo for Little John is obvious, but Marian's... chaperone? Governess? is a retraced King Louie, which isn't so obvious until you see video of the two side by side.

  • @kongilian
    @kongilian Před 2 lety +74

    Even Robinhood Men in Tights had Robin acting heroically. Yes it was a parody, but he still got to be the hero, not the butt of every joke like in Thor LaT.

    • @firewolf2930
      @firewolf2930 Před 2 lety +17

      difference being, Mel Brooks is immensely talented

    • @StarlasAiko
      @StarlasAiko Před 2 lety +10

      And, unlike some other Robin Hoods, he can actually speak with an English accent.

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 Před 2 lety +7

      One of the things I appreciate about _Men in Tights_ is that they made fun of _Prince of Thieves'_ addition of a black man to the Merry Men by giving him a personality that was as out of place as that concept. Now, I don't hate Freeman's character for its own sake, and as these things go they at least bothered to explain how he came to be there.
      Which is a marked contrast from things like the Doctor claiming that there was never a time when England wasn't racially diverse (in the modern sense,) even if I see it as a signpost on that road.
      The other thing with _Men in Tights_ and his slightly earlier _Spaceballs_ is that it's obvious he loves those stories. They're ridiculous in some ways, and he highlights that, but he's still telling a fun story in that same framework, not just making references to actual films with real stories.

  •  Před 2 lety +87

    Alan Rickman as the Sheriff is absolutely brilliant. He's one of the best villains in all of cinematography. The film is good, but it is Alan Rickman who is responsible for 90% of that.

    • @littlebee7147
      @littlebee7147 Před 2 lety +9

      "I'll cut your heart out with a spoon".
      I would quote this all the time as a kid because the sentence sounded stupid but his delivery was done ridiculously well.

    • @brandoncurtis3679
      @brandoncurtis3679 Před 2 lety +3

      @@littlebee7147 I still quote that line to this day. Such a fun and insane line that cracks me up every time.

    • @bryan81584
      @bryan81584 Před 2 lety +7

      @@littlebee7147
      ITS DULL, It'LL HURT MORE!!
      😂

    • @seanp8220
      @seanp8220 Před 2 lety +2

      When he stabs his cousin after he's crying is the most amazing bit imo.

  • @md_vandenberg
    @md_vandenberg Před 2 lety +16

    “Since it is so likely that (children) will meet cruel enemies, let them at least have heard of brave knights and heroic courage. Otherwise you are making their destiny not brighter but darker.” - C.S. Lewis

  • @EvidensInsania
    @EvidensInsania Před 2 lety +22

    The maid Marian fighting Robin Hood is actually from the old ballads. Marian disguises herself to look for Robin, but when she finds him he is also in disguise so they fight each other for an hour until Robin realises it's her, then they kiss and have a feast.

    • @wolfensniper4012
      @wolfensniper4012 Před 2 lety +2

      Funny it might shows medieval impression that a heroine may take on a man for a whole darn hour in combat

    • @EvidensInsania
      @EvidensInsania Před 2 lety

      @@wolfensniper4012 Well it shows that the feminist idea of the patriarchy in the West always hating and oppressing women is total nonsense. In this centuries old ballad Maid Marion is considered as the most perfect woman to have ever existed. Not only is she the most beautiful but also strong willed and physically capable because why would they not want that in a perfect woman? If you've gone off to war and aren't around to protect your family would you want some frail little thing as a wife who would just fall over and die at the first sign of trouble or would you rather a woman who would fight to defend herself and your children, a woman who isn't just a burden upon you? It's only very weak men who would pick the former.

  • @shadowdramon01
    @shadowdramon01 Před 2 lety +21

    When I’m reminded Kevin Costner was this Robin Hood I’m instantly reminded of the line “unlike some Robin Hoods, I can speak with an English accent”. 😂

    • @AnotherDuck
      @AnotherDuck Před 2 lety +3

      I liked the Duel on the Big Bridge. Most epic fight scene ever. Well, on par with the Black Knight.

    • @MagicE13
      @MagicE13 Před 2 lety +2

      Retorting with a Gauntlet to duel is brilliant.

  • @quiett6191
    @quiett6191 Před 2 lety +28

    I never saw the film until I was in my 20s, so my first introduction to the character was The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood
    by Howard Pyle, which I read when I was 11. I loved how Robin and his crew could not stand by and allow tyranny, they'd always be shown going out of their way to confront those who would abuse their authority. I remember a chapter where Robin and his men captured a Bishop who had gotten rich using his position to exhort tithes from the parishes under his authority. The Bishop notices Friar Tuck so he tries to act all "buddy buddy" with him, but Tuck makes his disdain and disgust of him very clear. I remember laughing as I imagined the Bishop's embarrassment.

  • @slytherpuff2010
    @slytherpuff2010 Před 2 lety +15

    I love how Alan kept saying no to being in the movie and they asked him what can they do for him to be in the movie. Alan told them he wanted to make changes to his character. So most if not all of his character was all Alan’s doing. I laugh still at some of his lines in the movie. I’m a huge Alan Rickman fan. RIP Alan Rickman. 💔

  • @EIixir
    @EIixir Před 2 lety +4

    Princes of Thieves should be on everyones watch list for feel good movies.

  • @firewolf2930
    @firewolf2930 Před 2 lety +7

    I saw Men in Tights before Prince of Thieves. Similarly, I saw Spaceballs before Star Wars and remember thinking, why is Vader's helmet so small

  • @finrodbrs
    @finrodbrs Před 2 lety +13

    Shad, I highly recommend watching 1938's "The Adventures of Robin Hood" starring Errol Flynn. It is excellent.

  • @christianbjorck816
    @christianbjorck816 Před 2 lety +19

    I love Robin Hood! Though I prefer the classic Errol Flynn version myself. Doesn’t get more heroic and traditional then that. And Basil Rathbone as the Sheriff is glorious.

    • @violetopal6264
      @violetopal6264 Před 2 lety

      I think Basil Rathbone was also an expert swordsman. Seems like there was a Danny Kaye interview where Kaye said he was nervous about filming the fight scenes with him because it would have been obvious Kaye had no idea what he was supposed to be doing.
      (Movie was Court Jester, and it turned out awesome 😎)

  • @conanmaolcheann5088
    @conanmaolcheann5088 Před 2 lety +26

    Shad is 2 for 2 with accuracy comparisons. First Bill & Ted has the most likely to be accurate deptiction of time travel now the disney Robin Hood is the closest adaptation to the original tales

  • @cp1cupcake
    @cp1cupcake Před 2 lety +24

    I would like to see another film of the classic Robin Hood, the recent remakes are painful to try and watch. The only thing I might add to the film for a bit of historical accuracy is discussion about why the taxes were raised, and Robin Hood and his gang DON'T need to know.
    For those unaware, the taxes were raised because the French captures King Richard when he was returned from the crusades and were ransoming him back. The taxes were to pay for the ransom.

    • @StarlasAiko
      @StarlasAiko Před 2 lety

      Some versions of the Robin Hood story have Prince John or some other baddy (often the Sherif) use that money to have the King assassinated and Robin, instead of giving it to the poor, uses the tax money he steals to ransom the King.

    • @cp1cupcake
      @cp1cupcake Před 2 lety

      ​@@StarlasAiko I don't think I've seen those, though I turned off all of the newer versions after 5-15 minutes of watching. By "newer", I mean newer than Men in Tights.
      But those films don't address address the main issue: humanizing the antagonist a bit. The classic Robin Hood story usually portrays King Richard as benevolent, with him pardoning Robin Hood & Co. when he returns.
      Having Prince John being a supported of King Richard and trying to restore him to the throne adds a bit of historically accurate shades of grey to the story, instead of trying to make the divide between white and black darker.
      Adding that historical fact, it makes the story look like a bunch of people trying to do what they view as the right thing, and seeing the clash arising from that.

    • @historymax5479
      @historymax5479 Před 2 lety +1

      I rather liked the Russel Crowe movie, actually. I liked the way they took a different direction with Robin, making him an older, smarter and more jaded guy.

  • @angelchronicles9848
    @angelchronicles9848 Před 2 lety +8

    Honestly I think you guys should watch a movie called Second Hand Lions, it's a great coming of age film that I think everyone who wants to be a Man should see.

    • @Cattensu
      @Cattensu Před 2 lety +1

      I second that completely, Second Hand Loins is amazing! And a great movie for people of all ages, but I feel especially for boys. So much great male role modeling going on in that movie. I love it.

  • @EverythingFan02
    @EverythingFan02 Před 2 lety +15

    This movie is fantastic, and I’m always happy to see it get talked about. Thank you. As other comments have said, I’d like to see more videos like this. It’s equally important to have critical discussions on well-done stories and characters. A lack of understanding of the strengths in addition to the weaknesses of traditional heroes and story-telling is a part of the problem with current subversive storytelling, writers and audiences don’t seem to understand why these traditions exist as the standard. This is not an appeal to tradition, that’s a fallacious argument, but traditional storytelling is a byproduct of good storytelling.

  • @rebbyra
    @rebbyra Před 2 lety +10

    "Unlike other Robin-hoods, I can speak with a British accent"

  • @joesmutz9287
    @joesmutz9287 Před 2 lety +26

    Quick side comment: Men in Tights
    It's great when a parody movie can make a good movie look even better by making the good parts stand out even more

    • @firewolf2930
      @firewolf2930 Před 2 lety +2

      "it used to be shithouse" lol

    • @TiroDvD
      @TiroDvD Před 2 lety

      @@firewolf2930 My pvp alt in an MMO is named "Latrine Scrubber". Also works in game b/c on race is based on the Roman Empire with legions and one of the lesser ones is Garbage Legion. "Eh someone has to pick up all the scrap for new weaponry."

  • @kellysmith1144
    @kellysmith1144 Před 2 lety +4

    I would suggest the early 80's BBC Robin of Sherwood as being the most accurate to the folklore. The 3 seasons are short but very well done and the casting is generally spot on!

  • @quailstudios
    @quailstudios Před 2 lety +12

    Shad, I like the fact that you said “I do have a tendency to dominate conversations”. The last video that I watched from Knights Watch was you mostly talking and Nathan mostly just sitting there. I thought it might be interesting to go back and see what percentage Nathan was actually able to talk but since it was a 35 minute video I thought that I would spend my time doing some thing better. Good topic by the way.

  • @CptZargon
    @CptZargon Před 2 lety +11

    Fun fact: the main theme in this movie was used for a long time as Disney's movie intro screens. You remember the one where all the various movie clips go flying by before resolving into the Disney logo like the classic Marvel intro? That orchestral fanfare was taken from Robin hood king of thieves.

  • @jeffk7881
    @jeffk7881 Před 2 lety +16

    Subbed for the Shad, stayed for the classical values and well articulated pontification! These videos should be up there with the book Wild At Heart! I know they’ll help me feel more equipped as I’m raising my son as well

  • @rememberstayangry2366
    @rememberstayangry2366 Před 2 lety +5

    Shad you need to do a follow-up with the classic The Adventures of Robinhood. This is the 1938 version with Errol Flynn.

  • @SeekerOTheWay
    @SeekerOTheWay Před 2 lety +5

    Showing heroism like this is important not only to show and reinforce positive behaviours, but also to show what negative behaviours are as well and why we should oppose them. It is a great teaching tool for children/young men that works. Taking that away from us with this bizarre form of feminism or whatever it is I feel actually does harm.

  • @nicholasking6066
    @nicholasking6066 Před 2 lety +3

    In the movie second hand lions the one old man had "the talk" wich once delivered would streighten out any young man and give him a nessisary push in the right direction to be responsible and a protector and provider and not be a jerk.
    I have several of shads vids saved on a play list that is more or less "the talk" and this one is getting added to it.

  • @jordanmetcalf1279
    @jordanmetcalf1279 Před 2 lety +2

    In the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie, Elizabeth is a damsel in distress. However throughout the rest of the series she grows and learns from the people around her and her general experiences to eventually become, what is called in the movies, the pirate king.

  • @ginnyjollykidd
    @ginnyjollykidd Před 2 lety +2

    I think it was in _Return of the King_ where Aragon encounters the lady who practices swordplay. She says to him that in war, a woman can be killed, too. Later in the battle, one main evil man does the Macbeth thing and boasts a prophesy said he can be killed by no man. And then this fell swordswoman confronts him and says, "I am no man!"
    I love that line!
    Also, women- including seniors- who carry a stick or even a cane will be passed up by would- be muggers.

  • @tekkblade82
    @tekkblade82 Před 2 lety +3

    "It's dull, you twit. It will hurt more."

  • @armoredghost918
    @armoredghost918 Před 2 lety +4

    I've read a bunch of the original robin hood tales and they are so much fun. Interestingly, Robin Hood shares many similarities with David, King of Israel.
    1)Hunted by the monarchy and is always on the run
    2)is married to nobility (David marries Michal and Robin marries maid marian)
    3) Robin's best friend is Little john, David's best friend is Jonathan
    4) Both are musicians (david with a lyre and robin with a lute)
    5) both often where disguises and are known for their cunning and trickery
    6) both are pious
    7) robin has his band of a few hundred merry men and david has his 400 followers while in exile
    8) both are exceptional warriors
    9)both use ranged weapons robin-bow and arrow david-sling
    10) both are very loyal to their kings
    11)both were known for singing psalms and ballads
    12)both have good relations with the priests of their time

    • @jonathanhamilton2504
      @jonathanhamilton2504 Před 2 lety

      Great point! I had never thought of that, but it fits perfectly! Good stories often mirror Biblical values, or classical tales, so this is really cool to think about.

  • @TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight

    How traditional does the hero need to be? I always admired Frodo & Sam because they proved that even the smallest, weakest, and overlooked creatures can make the biggest impact on everyone else.

  • @thevictoryoverhimself7298

    I was hoping for “Robin Hood: Men in tights” which is also a period classic. With a young man Dave Chapelle and that bloke from “The princess bride”!

  • @benmazzara6216
    @benmazzara6216 Před 2 lety +15

    I love this movie, and it has aged like a fine wine! Everything about this movie is iconic, and even tho the story has been retold a million times, this is my favorite version!

  • @Aikurisu
    @Aikurisu Před 2 lety +6

    Anything with Alan Rickman as a villain is all right in my book. That said, I'll never understand the hate Costner's Robin Hood got. Maybe it's just the rose tinted glasses, I don't care.
    It's a bit like the 1993 Three Musketeers. You know it's not the greatest version for the era/characters but as much as I love The Man in the Iron Mask my Aramis will always be Charlie Sheen, same with Kiefer Sutherland and Oliver Platt as Athos and Porthos respectively. Plus, much like Alan Rickman, Tim Curry was legendary as the main villain for that film, that being the cardinal.
    Personally, what makes me love these films more than their betters, too, is they are memorable in many ways despite their failings. That and, if they're highly quotable, the better anyway!

  • @darksageasura5805
    @darksageasura5805 Před 2 lety +2

    "mite I have the pleasure of your name? Before I run you through."

  • @DragonmanX90
    @DragonmanX90 Před 2 lety +12

    2 things: 1) Shad is totally onto something with the Heroic role model for young lads. I was raised on a lot of films and media where the roles of good and evil were very clearly defined. At the end of every movie or show I would find myself wanting to be the hero; and if I couldn't be the hero for any reason; IE no powers, not living in the same time period, all that stuff; I was told "why not be like the hero and make your world a little better?" I was told to take the lessons of that role model and try to embody them in my day to day life and thusly be something of a hero in my own small way. Now as an adult I find a lot of my decision making is tempered by those lessons and that desire to better the world by bettering myself.
    2) Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves has some of the best, most iconic lines in film history! And yes, The Sheriff of Nottingham is easily the best role of Alan Rickman's career! I will always love the relationship that developed between Robin and Azeem/Azim (?); how it goes from one of resigned tolerance at best, to profound if not brotherly respect.
    "I'm gonna cut your heart out with a spoon!"
    "Why a spoon cousin?"
    "BECAUSE IT'S DULL YOU TWIT, IT'LL HURT MORE!!"
    "How on earth did your uneducated kind take Jerusalem?!"
    "And they call me barbarian."

  • @ravenheartwraith
    @ravenheartwraith Před 2 lety +10

    I knew even at the time (age 13 or so) that the movie was a bit "corney" but it is still a movie I love to this day and it DOES have good values. So many lines stick with me. I loved Morgan Freeman as Azeem "Did God Paint you?" " Allah loves wonderous variety"
    There are so many meaningful lines, Themes and great values that have informed how I've lived in the world. Throughout my life I've always looked for movies with great messages and values, good virtues, and this is why my top movies all fit that mold.
    I feel the merry men in this movie are quite grounded and realistic, normal peasant folk, and they don't have a chance against actual armored opponents, they need to use stealth, cunning, and guile. It's clear they are quite untrained as opposed to Robin and Azeem.
    "at least I didn't use a spoon!" lol

    • @wiederganger1959
      @wiederganger1959 Před 2 lety

      Sounds like you would like Braveheart

    • @ravenheartwraith
      @ravenheartwraith Před 2 lety +1

      @@wiederganger1959 Favorite movie of all time, followed closely by Gladiator.

    • @wiederganger1959
      @wiederganger1959 Před 2 lety

      @@ravenheartwraith
      Put LOTR in front of those two, and you got my top three

  • @morning_dew922
    @morning_dew922 Před 2 lety +6

    I love this film. Watched many times when I was a child and I own it because I want to share it with my daughter. Morgan Freeman and Alan Rickman were superb. I also love the theme song by Brian Adams! I also enjoy Men in tights a lot. And listening to your comments made me think that Robin Hood was kind of a Libertarian because Taxation is theft and all that. I also own the Disney film :).

  • @jsrrrmg
    @jsrrrmg Před 2 lety +5

    This movie has actually had the opposite effect on me. I really liked it when it came out, but it has cooled on me as time passed. Alan Rickman's character was the main saving aspect of this movie. Sean Connery cameo as King Richard was a great insert.
    Also, I don't agree with your comment that "a man that isn't raised right, will treat a woman as a man". A woman that goes after a man shows that she wasn't raised right and you don't fight to merely subdue your opponent. It's like the old saying "don't draw your gun if you don't intend to use it." Life isn't the UFC. If you are going to fight someone, go in with full intent to ensure they will never come after you again. It's way too acceptable in today's society for women to assault men, and for men to play the "good guy" by simply sitting there and taking it! Weather it's verbal or physical!

    • @PJDAltamirus0425
      @PJDAltamirus0425 Před 2 lety +1

      ....Well said. Chivalry is for ladies and lords. A woman that acts that a female dog isn't a lady just like you wouldn't thing a random janitor have more authority cus that janitor is male than a doctor. Besides, I would bet most adult women are more of threat than most kids, male or female. Shad's wife would certainly have better chance of fucking him up that his kids. As that old saying goes, play stupid prizes.

    • @AnotherDuck
      @AnotherDuck Před 2 lety

      I think any person who isn't raised right will treat others badly, unless they're inherently better than that. Which, honestly, most people are. But it doesn't take a lot of bad apples to make everything sour.
      Women assaulting men is more under-reported than men assaulting anyone. A lot of it is because it's not seen as "real" violence because of several biases, like women being weaker and therefore unable to hurt men, or women being morally superior and therefore the man must've done something to deserve it, or some other justification.

  • @ZeroSalvator
    @ZeroSalvator Před 2 lety +4

    OZ!!! Thank you so MUCH! 👍🏻👍🏻4:00 "He didn't steal from the rich and give to the poor. He stole from the taxman and gave it to the people... '" You are on point today even in the back ground. (I couldn't hear the last bit thanks to Shad talking over you.)

  • @pinhead3427
    @pinhead3427 Před 2 lety +1

    You guys sould make this a regular series, important traditional heroes:
    It would be very entertaining to watch

  • @mowerds33
    @mowerds33 Před 2 lety +1

    My favorite childhood movie is Ray Harryhausen's Seventh Voyage of Sinbad. No agenda, just a fun story, and simple archetypes. Not to mention the wonderful animations, and effects of Ray Harryhausen.

  • @shadow8928
    @shadow8928 Před 2 lety +3

    *whistles the old disney theme of the animated robin hood movie*

    • @KarlKarsnark
      @KarlKarsnark Před 2 lety

      Yes, 100x better than this. Rickman is the only redeeming feature.

  • @r3dcoat397
    @r3dcoat397 Před 2 lety +4

    My favourite movie growing up, and I stand by it

  • @tomspiegel5322
    @tomspiegel5322 Před 2 lety +1

    That movie was on TV recently. It was a neat experience, because there was one particular scene that I saw more than two decades ago, where a guy gets loaded up with riches, then shoved out a window. When I saw that as a child, I thought that had been Friar Tuck who was murdered.
    I found Alan Rickman to be pretty funny in this. "Robin Hood: Men in Tights" really nailed that character...before he could nail Marian.

  • @blankadams3120
    @blankadams3120 Před 2 lety +2

    Shad Dad teaching Nathan things just by rambling shows how good a father he is.
    I would argue that Alan Rickman's most memorable character is Alexander Dane from Galaxy Quest, but that's just me.

    • @tacothunderking4558
      @tacothunderking4558 Před 2 lety

      Galaxy Quest is one of the most tragically underrated movies of all time and I refuse to hear otherwise.

  • @comradjohn117
    @comradjohn117 Před 2 lety +4

    Carl Benjamin did a video on this a while back. I don’t remember all of his points, but the basic idea is that an unjust government was stealing from its subjects. And Robin Hood not only took back the money, but humiliated the unjust tyrants in the process which reduced their authority
    And that the rightful king deserved the power over his subjects not because of birthright, but because the power given to him was an obligation to his people that he will rule justly and benevolently. And when a ruler abuses the power, it is the right for the people to resist with humor, or more directly given the circumstances

  • @susannewehrmaker1303
    @susannewehrmaker1303 Před 2 lety +1

    This film was just so good, even if historically incorrect in many parts. Loved also the role of Alan Rickman "...and call of Christmas!"

  • @DnoFM
    @DnoFM Před 2 lety +8

    Interesting understanding of "evil". I loved this interesting view. I do have a genuine question: How does one stop another person from doing something. The whole "forcing your will onto someone is evil" breaks as soon as it comes to children, and not just children themselves, but their education. We quite often argue with my wife when it comes down to a certain decision: "Can our kid do X?". How do we decide what is the correct decision if neither of us can be considered the final decision maker?

    • @teteudeu
      @teteudeu Před 2 lety +1

      @DnoFM
      Forcing one's will is based on selfishness. Giving limits and guidance to children is not about what you want, rather it is about what they need.

    • @Baybren
      @Baybren Před 2 lety

      I thought this too, this argument could probably have used some additional qualifiers

    • @DnoFM
      @DnoFM Před 2 lety +1

      @@teteudeu Yeah, however you do not nececerally know what "they need", you only think that you know. And sometimes your views can differ from other people (in this particular case my wive's) view. How can a decision be made without forcing (at least partially) someone to accept your point of view?
      That is basically the same for the entire world. We try to use diplomacy, but when certain viewpoints cannot find consensus, we still have no other available recourse other than somehow forcing others to the same viewpoint. It's a tragedy, really, that we have been unable to fully solve this problem.

    • @AnotherDuck
      @AnotherDuck Před 2 lety +1

      @@DnoFM Yeah, technically democracy is forcing the will of the majority onto the minority. And laws are all about that.
      I wouldn't count children in the same category, though. While they might have good ideas and you should definitely listen to them, their judgement and experience is not sufficiently developed yet, so adults do need to teach them what's right and wrong.
      So on the whole, I agree that the argument Shad made isn't a definition of evil, but rather a common theme or a shortened version of an actual definition.

    • @teteudeu
      @teteudeu Před 2 lety

      @@DnoFM
      But you still impose limits and guidelines out of concern for your children, not to feed a sense of control. Incompetence can do great harm, but evil is in the motivation behind the actions.

  • @knighttemplaroftentacult7123

    I'd argue, that one of the most close to traditional telling would've been the USSR made movie "Robin Hood's Arrows".

  • @R.J.Godzilla81
    @R.J.Godzilla81 Před 2 lety +1

    This is my second favorite Robin Hood movie, right behind the Disney animated version, third favorite is Men in Tights.

  • @theidiotfiles9414
    @theidiotfiles9414 Před 2 lety +3

    I love Robin Hood Prince of thieves I saw it as a teen . And it kinda molded me as a person as goofy as that sounds. Its still in my top 5 movies right up there with The Clash of the Titans the 80s version not the recent one.

  • @cvs_en
    @cvs_en Před 2 lety +2

    I say Rickman's most iconic role is in hitchhikers guide in the galaxy. And really this is what made him a GOAT in my opinion. None of the answers are wrong. He killed it in more roles than I can count.

  • @Belnari08
    @Belnari08 Před 2 lety

    We quote Allen Rickman all the time from this movie. His lines are legendary. Prince of Thieves is so classic and I love it so much.

  • @Jonansions3000
    @Jonansions3000 Před 2 lety +2

    Classic's are usually Classic's for a reason

  • @adamlewis6052
    @adamlewis6052 Před 2 lety +1

    "Why a spoon cousin?"
    "Cos its blunt and itll hurt more ya fool!)

  • @TenMillionYearProgram42
    @TenMillionYearProgram42 Před 2 měsíci

    I love this flick! It’s one of my last memories with my grandma, who used to take me to the movies all the time before she passed just after this came out. This movie had my friends and I hacking trees and tying strings to them to make our own bows, and we would “sharpen” sticks to make arrows. Got actually pretty good as homemade bows and arrows built by 7 year olds go, if I do say so myself. Learned it from SoCal Sherwood himself.😊

  • @jasongoulding7186
    @jasongoulding7186 Před 2 lety

    The Robin Hood movie I grew up on was Disney's "The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men" from 1952. I watched it again recently on Disney+ and I still enjoyed it.

  • @tomspiegel5322
    @tomspiegel5322 Před 2 lety +1

    18:00 I had almost the exact same experience watching one of my favorite adventure movies of all time: KING SOLOMON'S MINES, the 1980's Indiana Jones imitator. Sharon Stone's character is being subdued by a slimy, villainous creep, so Richard Chamberlain comes crashing down through the skylight to save her. Every time I watched that scene, I would shout the hero's name.

  • @totalldwarf640
    @totalldwarf640 Před 2 lety +1

    Every day with the watch is a good day

  • @fenshing
    @fenshing Před 2 lety

    I don't know how many times we quoted the spoon line in my family growing up but it was a lot! My Momma just loved this movie.

  • @Kamenriderneo
    @Kamenriderneo Před 2 lety +1

    15:49
    That element of the story goes back to 15th century. Marion disguise herself as a man to track down the criminal known as Robin Hood only to learn while fighting him that he's her childhood friend Robin of Locksla (or whatever he's real name is)

  • @UNSSC01
    @UNSSC01 Před 2 lety +1

    It’s refreshing to see that there are still people who believe in heroes ideals. I love you guys channel. Very nice to see there are some who uphold morally correct views.

  • @Cwronaga216
    @Cwronaga216 Před 2 lety +1

    One uncommon way to show the Damsel in Distress and the hero that I really enjoy but you rarely see is the situation where the hero has to save the Damsel in Distress but the damsel herself is still a capable fighter and despite needing her hero to save her against overwhelming odds she has her own strengths that help her stay alive and give her enemies a run for their money until he arrives to save her. I also like it when the second the hero arrives and saves her from her predicament you get to see that you characters uplift each other and become an Unstoppable Force where both their talents are brought forth when they're together. In other words I like a situation in which the Damsel in distress and her Valiant hero are a badass power couple. We need more realistic awesome power couples in fiction. I really like it when the male and female characters uplift each other. One example would be a scenario in which the woman has been captured and is unable to escape her captors but because she's tough and strong-willed she is able to resist her torture resist her interrogation and thoroughly get on the bad guys nerves and tell her hero arrives and and once she's freed he gives her her trusty bow and together they slowly kill everything in their way on their way out with him protecting her and all costs, his mind at ease knowing that she is safe by his side and with her watching his back

  • @gariongama
    @gariongama Před 2 lety +2

    Great work guys, loving the more off the cuff content covering what you guys enjoy. Would love an archetype series, maybe exploring different character tropes and devices with Shads literary input. Deus ex does and don'ts. Keep rocking we all support you.

  • @brianwright327
    @brianwright327 Před 2 lety +1

    "All that is required for Evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" Edward Burke
    "Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be One." Marcus Aurelius
    and less to the point but one that I think Shad will appreciate
    "Men are like Steel. When they lose their temper, they lose their worth." Chuck Norris

  • @ngVAT579
    @ngVAT579 Před 2 lety

    Great stuff. Robin hood was always one of my favorite heroes as a kid. Our favorite Robin Hood movie was "The Adventures of Robin Hood" with Errol Flynn. Classic.

  • @StarWarsMark7701
    @StarWarsMark7701 Před 2 lety +1

    Best love song.. ever. Great movie too!

  • @surlyunicorn9461
    @surlyunicorn9461 Před 2 lety +1

    I grew up with the 1980’s Robin of Sherwood (known simply as Robin Hood here in the states). It definitely had a more of a pagan spin on it with a more mystical feel but Robin of Loxley was still just as heroic.
    Interestingly the idea for Robin Hood Prince of Thieves character Azeem is as far as I can tell pulled straight from this television show. In the show Nasir (played by Mark Ryan also in Black Sails) is an assassin used by a villain to try and kill Robin. They become friends and he follows Robin afterwards.

  • @peterbayne7227
    @peterbayne7227 Před 2 lety

    The best thing about Robin Hood: Prince of Thevies is that it inspired Shad to get into Medieval stuff, leading to his wonderful CZcams channels that we can all enjoy today. :)

  • @StarlasAiko
    @StarlasAiko Před 2 lety

    The Disney toon Robin Hood was so close to the old stories because it was based on Erol Flynn's Robin Hood, one of the very few who, along with Mel Brooks' Robin Hood can actually speak with an English accent.

  • @billiechristine4034
    @billiechristine4034 Před 2 lety +1

    This is the first video I have seen from you guys and I have thoroughly enjoyed it. I especially loved the discussion on being a damsel in distress, that is definitely lacking in so many modern stories and it is so frustrating.
    Will be subscribing and checking out other videos.

  • @jujinkaisparrow3157
    @jujinkaisparrow3157 Před 2 lety +2

    "Cousin, why not an age or a Hatchett?"...."Because it's dull you twit, it'll hurrt more!"
    RIP Alan Rickman 🍻 🤜⚡🤛

  • @J.Severin
    @J.Severin Před 2 lety +2

    u can have strong woman and have them recued by a strong heroic man too. best exsample is Star Wars (Lea), Robin Hood (Lady Marien) and Shrek (Fiona)

  • @marcob5549
    @marcob5549 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video! I subscribed yesterday, and I love your contents!

  • @atrex1991
    @atrex1991 Před 2 lety +1

    I love this move, I used to watch it 2 or 3 times a week when I would stay at my grandmothers.

  • @floridafool
    @floridafool Před 2 lety

    One of my favorite movies since I was eight or nine years old.
    @16:45 I can relate to that one.
    Also shout out to Michael Wincott aka Guy Of Gisbourne. One of my other favorite villain actors after Rickman.

  • @cskrisz0706
    @cskrisz0706 Před 2 lety

    I had that Robin Hood cartoon on VHS pirate copy, loved it as a kid!

  • @ScratchySpoon
    @ScratchySpoon Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for drawing my attention back to an older film I love and highlighting how Lady Marian was portrayed as a strong in her role, I agree.
    Minor point to add, Lady Marian as portrayed by Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio was a leading, beautiful lady without needing to be sexual. Not that sexy is bed, but the role didn't call for it. I kind of worry that a remake would not only have Marian as an equal asskicker to Robin, but a sexual bombshell to boot.

  • @tylerfeth9008
    @tylerfeth9008 Před 2 lety

    I have this movie on VHS. Man that makes me feel old. Love it still.

  • @gryffindork9563
    @gryffindork9563 Před 2 lety +3

    Alan Rickman film before Harry Potter for me was sense and sensibility 🥰 my daughter is big fan of Alan also 💜 my daughter was 7 years old when my Husband and daughter watched it we loved it .
    Have you seen The adventures of Robin Hood with Errol Flynn that was a favourite of our family growing up we also loved watching old movies ♥️♥️

  • @joeygwood
    @joeygwood Před 2 lety

    In the US, there was recently a mass shooting that was stopped by 22 year old man who was lawfully concealed carrying a handgun. The shooter killed 3 people and injured two others unfortunately, but many more people would have died if not for the heroic action of the armed bystander. The world needs more heroes like him.

  • @benhall7574
    @benhall7574 Před 2 lety +1

    My personal favorite Robin Hood movie is The Adventures of Robin Hood (with Errol Flynn) 🙂

  • @heath33dannenberg25
    @heath33dannenberg25 Před 2 lety

    keep making videos guys love this channel.

  • @oscarstainton
    @oscarstainton Před 2 lety

    This is a solid review, and I hope you make more of this type, there are so many sword and sorcery and fantasy adventure films that would lend themselves perfectly to traditional heroes like Excalibur, Conan the Barbarian and Clash of the Titans. Keep up the great work, chaps!

  • @ryanbackstrom9672
    @ryanbackstrom9672 Před 2 lety +1

    I love to have something positive on this channel again! I have to admit I have not been watching as much recently because Iv needed some more positive media in my life. I also love that the cover image isn't clickbaity! Hope to see more positive and informative videos!

  • @Ithilienranger345
    @Ithilienranger345 Před 2 lety

    Prince of thieves and the classic older Disney Robin hood are absolutely amazing movies the Disney cartoon Robin hood though is what made me so interested in Robin hood's story

  • @FoxtrotFleet
    @FoxtrotFleet Před 2 lety

    Shad, if you haven't seen them check out the three Sinbad movies with Ray Harryhausen stop motion. Golden Voyage is my favorite, I love that the wizard villain in it ages slightly each time he uses his dark magic as it saps his vitality. Seventh Voyage and Eye of the Tiger are both solid as well.
    They all display classic heroism and are each underappreciated classics.

  • @mariusreinecker1556
    @mariusreinecker1556 Před 2 lety

    My last name is practically the same as the foxes from the old German fables, and I grew up with Disney's "foxy" Robin, when Disney was still any good. Robin Hood is a great story, with quite a few really nice tellings in different media. Initially got me interested in archery, too, of course.
    ... and as always: FOR THE ALGORITHM!

  • @techjunkie758
    @techjunkie758 Před 2 lety +2

    This, but Braveheart. Great vid, Shad and crew!

  • @Wastelandman7000
    @Wastelandman7000 Před rokem

    I can totally see Shad walking around with that many weapons.

  • @LeutnantJoker
    @LeutnantJoker Před 2 lety

    Disney Robin hood is probably my favorite Disney movie one together with The Sword in the Stone

  • @rodofiron100
    @rodofiron100 Před 2 lety

    Last damsel in distress moment I can think of was in the expendables.

  • @iitim2152
    @iitim2152 Před 2 lety +1

    Good video. Great topic, good length didn't go off the rails. Kept a good tone.

  • @jamesdavey9690
    @jamesdavey9690 Před 2 lety +6

    If you think this was a good, traditional depiction of Robin Hood, check out the 1938 Errol Flynn version. It's probably the greatest Medieval film of all time.
    I've added a link showing one of the more memorable fight scenes from the film. If you're reading this, Shad, I hope you'll consider doing an autopsy review of it someday.
    czcams.com/video/5UJ6g2Zhwgg/video.html

  • @sevenproxies4255
    @sevenproxies4255 Před 2 lety +2

    Snape would probably be the LAST role I come to think of when i'm thinking if Alan Rickmans career.
    The top ones are definitely Hans Gruber from Die Hard and The Sheriff of Nottingham.

    • @FoxtrotFleet
      @FoxtrotFleet Před 2 lety

      He was great in Quigley Down Under also.