John Salley Details How Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan Beef Started (Flashback)
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- čas přidán 9. 11. 2022
- In this clip, John Salley explained the origin of Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan’s beef, and John revealed that Isiah first became annoyed when he saw his nephew wearing a Jordan jersey while Thomas was playing for Detroit. John added that Isiah was going off against Michael in games to get his nephew to see that he was a better player than Jordan. When asked about the “Dream Team” situation, John explained that Magic Johnson said in his documentary that he’s the reason that Isiah didn’t make the team. John added that Jordan “loved” Isiah and the other Pistons players, and John spoke about his friendship with Jordan over the years. To hear more, including John speaking about the “Bad Boys” era of the Pistons, hit the above clip.
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Whenever this man speaks, I listened. He played in 3 NBA decades
It's usually cap
That bad boy thing was said out there by many before Phil Jackson even started couching the bulls
Salley is pure class. Always has been… even with the Pistons. 👍
great to see salley giving mullin respect, those that say he didn't belong on the dream team are clueless
He definitely belonged there .. Christian Laetner ?? Not so sure
@Crookid Stali for every Olympic team there usually has to be atleast one star player coming right outta college and in 92' laetnner was the best college player in the nation along with Shaq and projected to be a top pick in that year's draft...hence why he was chosen
@@shakenblake4533 exactly, since the selection committee insisted on having one college player choosing christian was a no brainer, back in 92 no way you could justify shaq or zo over him
@@elai3147 Everyone knew who the better NBA players would be and it wasn't even close and Shaq and Zo was NBA ready so if you're going on a team to play with NBA players and great ones at that it should've been Shaq!!
@@undergroundheatcypher1091 YOUR criteria for making the team is "who the better nba player would be", THEIR criteria was which college player at the time was the most accomplished, back in 92 when two more spots were available wanted the committee to change their minds and allow an all nba dream team with zeke and drexler getting those spots
So refreshing, John keeping it real, from a great who was there.
MJ is keeping quiet and watching the legend grow.
A wise man
Because we know Michael Jordan didn't want Isaiah Thomas to play on the dream team. Isaiah Thomas ain't stupid, this ain't just popping into his head out of nowhere. Jordan himself said he hate them.
He talks a little on Last Dance about it
Salley seems really trustworthy when it comes to his era’s history.
What he said just don't square with known facts. I wouldn't say he knows it but I think he does know it.
He did confirm his nephew stayed with him too 💯🏀
People don't know when Michael Jordan got drafted to the bulls he lived with Isiah Thomas family for a few months because zeek was looking out for young mike.
Capppppppppppppp
@Tellitlikeitisfresh ! read Michael Jordan book before u speak. He says it himself. Zeek and his family made it easy for him to walk the west side of Chicago because Mike and zeek nephew lived together the first 6 months
@@tellitlikeitisfresh6541yo white ahh don’t know shit boy🤣go watch some baseball lil boy
Also watch all the smoke with Isaiah he talks about it too
A and Isaiah's nephew was living with Jordan
Jordan said on the 30 for 30 that he hated Isiah
He also said that he respected him. He and Isiah say that the higher ups are the reason why Isiah didn't join the dream team, despite most of the players not wanting him there.
@@younglove3362 magic was the one who kept him off
Salley is just smooth and cool as ice! Love the guy!
Michael Jordan in The Last Dance says the complete opposite about Isaiah and how much of a beef they had and he couldn’t stand him.
Cap never said how much beef they had 😂😂😂
Exactly and still calls him an a**hole today. He hates Isiah Thomas and isn't afraid to admit it. So John Salley is wrong on this one. And everybody know it was Jordan that didn't want Zeke on The Dream Team (92 Olympics), not Magic Johnson.
@@MrCancer1965the first story is where the actual beef came in. Michael Jordan and Isiah thomas beef have nothing to do with basketball it’s personal. Mj and it was basically like family back then so this beef goes way behind basketball.
@@MrCancer1965magic had aids he probably did
Is he referring to Magic’s documentary that’s on Apple+ ?
John Sally is something else 😂.
Both need to cut out the pettiness. It's hypocritical. MJ says the Pistons we're bad for basketball but had no problem when Rodman implemented the same tactics for the Bulls. 🤨. Zeke overall has a winning record vs MJ. He doesn't suck up to MJ and all the nostalgia.
And Rodman was getting ejected on a regular basis. So much so that he played less games in either 2-year stretch than he did in San Antonio.
Well Duncan, Curry, KD etc have also winning record vs Lebron but they don't say bullshit about him! Isiah was great player, top 3 point guard but as a person is shit!
Facts 💯
Also, McHale’s foul on James Worthy- I forget which playoff series- was awful, as bad as anything the Pistons did-- except for Laimbeer, who was a nasty cheap shot artist.
@@shanenolan085
The same Rodman that no one wanted and the Bulls were the only team that actually put in an offer for him. The Spurs took Will Perdue for him. The same Rodman that didn’t make an all star game, was 34 years old and missed 45 games in his first 2 seasons at the Bulls.
Rodman was a castoff NOBODY WANTED in 1995. Popovich was DESPERATE to get rid of him and Krause had to be talked into it.
Rodman tore his MCL in 97 and became a one-dimensional rebounder. His defense declined significantly.
I love how Michael Jordan doesn't respond to Isiah Thomas, pippen, or any of his media critics. Goat
its like krills trying to bother a great white shark....
Lol
Right and they're trying so hard to get a reaction lol
He’s to rich for it😭
He’s freaking billionaire man why would he respond
Spider is the NBA version of TK Kirkland
Why does Vlad ask people questions when he only wants to hear what he wants to hear?
It’s the most annoying thing ever!
I think it's called jealousy 🤨
Zeke was jealous and a weasel about it. That's just the long and short of it
Jordan saw this and lost respect for Zeke
That is John "The Spider" Salley Djvlad!
I like how Salley is sticking up for his boy Isiah, but its common knowledge MJ does not love Isiah and that All Star freeze out has been confirmed by everyone else lol
Go back and watch the Bulls vs Knicks playoff games and tell me if Detroit was overly rough. It was the norm back then.
Isiah was hypnotized with hatred
Facts! M.J. was getting more love from Chicago, jealousy is a disease
Gtfo y’all just Dicksucker out
Mike from Eastern NC...he don't do that talkin stuff
Hes speaking for himself. He was friends and cool with everyone else. I dont think Isiah or Bill Lambere was trading tickets with anyone on the 🐂's
Mahorn too
Jordan don’t hate bill like that and he talks the most shit about Jordan. This beef is personal,
*Isiah Thomas is top five greatest*
Stop it Stop it Zeke is Great no where near top 5 all time period
@@anthonykyles4310 He's number 3
@@bigolbabyhuey i agree right after spud webb and mugsy 5 foot 10 and under list
Interesting, what's your top 10?
@torpedohost really 🙄? You put Thomas behind them two, wow!
There is audio in which MJ says he wouldn't play for the Dream Team if Isiah was playing.
What he actually says is no Isiah Thomas questions. You have to post something like that bro
@@nativekiowa9488 exactly people just be lying
@@tellitlikeitisfresh6541 it’s you lover boys can’t accept your hero being a goofy who really mad about a hand shake
@@HectorConCarne23 Then put the link for the recording then... It's actually Magic who doesn't want him to the team because he had beef with Isiah at that time suspecting him that he's the one gossiping that Magic might be gay because he caught hiv...
Salley is partly correct though. Magic did say he's the reason Isiah wasn't there. There is evidence of this. Just search it on CZcams.
Rip John Sally
He dead?
"He got to take that hit " this is what is so hard for this generation to understand... Yes this generation has the "talent & athleticism" .. what good is that when you have 2 to 3 very hard fouls from each player waiting for you?
John Salley changes stories every time he tells them. He just likes to talk and seem important. If Sally says it you better believe it's CAP!! All of these "Bad Boys" tried to injure players proudly wore the title while they were playing and winning. Now that they see it was short lived fame, they try to distance themselves from it and diminish what they did.
they never injured anyone. trust me it isnt hard to injure someone
John Salley all due respect, Bill Laimbeer is one of the dirtiest players in NBA history. He was a 6’11 Grayson Allen. Rick Mahorn was physical and would ruff you up, but he wasn’t as bad as Laimbeer. That’s why the ref let Robert Parish punch him in the face and didn’t blow the whistle 👊🏾.
John, come on... Michael loved Isiah, yeah... went out dining together with candles and violins playing, love is in the air... c'mon...
Spider still looks the same 😎
John I know where Isiah went to high school as I grew up west of where he went to high school
That's not what MJ said of Isiah in "The Last Dance" Netflix documentary. Especially after the Bulls beat the Pistons, and Isiah walked off the court w/o acknowledging the Bulls' success of finally beating the Pistons in the Easter conference playoffs in 91.
SHOUT OUT ZEEK!!!!!!!!
John Salley is straight cappin. The last dance explained the whole beef!
…from MJ’s perspective
He tells half truths
MJ said he respects Isiah as a player but not as a person.
We saw MJ had no Problem playing under Chuck Daly or Even Dennis Rodman.
Once Zeke started spreading the NEWS that it was MJ who wanted him out of the DREAM team, that's when MJ lost all respect to Zeke.
People knew Magic had more HATE on Zeke during that time because it was PERSONAL between him and Zeke,.
@@dylanlanzuela7305 yea both his coaches Daly and Bobby knight called jordan greatest ever..another reason he's mad
@@tellitlikeitisfresh6541 Jordan knew what's up with Zeke.
Zeke tried to tear down Mike that's why Mike ain't listening to anything Zeke ever say.
Zeke knew Magic didn't want him in the team but he still tried to blame it all on Mike by saying Mike was still MAD at him for not shaking hands,.
Mike was probably laughing at him not shaking hands like the rest of the bulls did after SWEEPING them.
It would have been a field day for Mike, trash talking Zeke during practice because Zeke was already TRASH in 91. How happy Mike would have been seeing Zeke getting benched by his own coach, Chuck Daly, because Magic and Stockton were better than him in 91.
Sorry man but you got Jon Salley talking about Zeke and MJ’s beef
More proof Salley don't know what he's talking about. He said MJ loved isiah and the pistons. Also there's a recorded hot mic interview of MJ admitting he said he wouldn't play if isiah played.
Wheres that
@@nativekiowa9488 look it up. They played it on undisputed after Jordan's Documentary aired.
Watch save the last dance lol.
I don't know who to believe, unless the whole thing is just fake.
@@robertmoore294 save the last dance is the dancing movie bro lmaoo
@@teehud313 Stop... Magic Johnson is the reason why he's left out because he has beef with Isiah (he suspected that Isiah's the one gossiping that he's gay)...
Salley could have a second career rewriting history books.
Salley is the only Player with a Championship in Three different Decades.
Tim Duncan entered the chat.
The SPIDER! BAD BOY for LIFE! ☠️
Salley nickname was the Spin Doctor playing. I wonder why...😆😆😆😆
The Pistons were known for being dirty well before Phil Jackson became head coach of the Bulls. Salley doesn’t want to have a conversation about Laimbeer. He didn’t didn’t even mention him.
Cap it was Magic, MJ, and Bird didn't want Zeek on the team and MJ did say he wouldnt play there is audio of it
Who is zeek?
@@9wardslugga isiah‘s nickname
Neither did Barkley and Pippen
As a 80's 90's Bulls fan only player from Pistons I dislike to this day is Bill Laimbeer
Thought beef was over
Isaih coached jordan last all star game
And gave him the ball
Only for kobe to be like naww you gotta earn it big bro
Kobe hits free throws kobe wins
smh. you have a person that was there telling the story and people who have not clue say it's a lie.
Salley and Isiah are teammates but they have contrasting statement. So how can i trust anyone of them
See people don't have these intangibles in most of there interviews. Mike struggled until Phil and pip got there. They actually structured there team to beat tge badboys and not their finals apponent. Adrian dantly with his high scoring forced Jordan to excurt more nearly on defense. Now you have two non shooting forwards no AD against Grant Jordan and a anomaly in Pip . Boy this is good . Thanks Salley. The media is for low intellect people. Like people on here Jordan 6-0 when it's a team sport Jordan the Goat but didn't win before Phil and Pio and after.
Sallys statement contradicts MJs statements. MJ called Isaiah an A hole and said he hated him.
Sallet has lost his mind, it's not what Phil was putting out, it was what we saw. You don't get to do what your say Phil did, just say it enough and they will began to believe it.
No.
John Salley...."Mr Spin Doctor"....MJ wore Air Jordan warm-ups at the dunk contest in 85 (Salley wasnt even in the league...he was at Georgia Tech in 85).....before the officials told him to change into his Bulls uniforms......Isiah...Gervin..and Magic (and a few others) took offense to that......And MJ got iced out the next day in the All-Star game!!!
Facts
Watch any all star game and tell me when you will see a first or second time all star be a vocal point of the team… it never happens
Is John and his daughter Tyra still trying to get that weed store going in Detroit?
John sally is wrong on this take. Isiah nephew stayed with Micheal Jordan. Isiah family embraced Jordan when he got to Chicago
Why is it always "political" with Leattner for black people? Previous to the DREAM TEAM, the Olympic team was college players. He was the best college player in front of the public on TV - made the magic last shot of the NCAA championship. He was there as a bridge. Could have been Grant Hill from that team. But Leattner made the famous shot that Hill made a great pass to.
Laettner (at the time) deserved to be the college guy on the dream team ahead of any other NCAA player by a long shot...
In my opinion Isaiah Thomas twists and distorts situations to make himself look like the victim. Jordan's dislike of Thomas is a reaction of the Piston's bad deeds against the Bulls. The Pistons not only played physical.....they took it to a level that they are TRYING to injure the opposing players and that is malicious. Now I think Jordan could of forgiven that but what I think what made it more worse was that Isaiah Thomas (along with most of his teamates) REFUSED to shake hands with the Bulls in 1991 when they were swepted. Jordan was always decent enough to shake the Pistons hands in each of the 3 years prior when they lost to the Pistons....and when Jordan overcame them the Pistons refused to shake hands. To me that shows the Pistons were bad people. Isaiah tries to justifiy that by saying "The Celtics refused to shake our hands when we finally beat them".....but why did the Celtics ONLY refused to shake the Pistons hands in defeat and not other teams they got defeated by? I think it was a reaction to the Pistons malicious bad intentions style of play. You all see how Isaiah likes to twist and distort facts to HIS favor?
You glossed over one key fact: Before the Game 4 where the Bulls swept the Pistons in 1991, Jordan went off to the media telling them that nobody would miss Detroit, that most people would be glad to be rid of them and they dirtied up the game. It’s one thing not to like the Pistons or how they played or whatever, but to say those things to an opponent you’re about to sweep while they’re down and almost out is unsportsmanlike. Had Jordan not said those things, maybe the Pistons would have shaken hands. But they specifically said in their documentary that Jordan’s comments were insulting enough to the point where they couldn’t justify shaking hands with him or the Bulls after the fact. They all acted very immaturely in that series. Jordan was in the wrong for being a sore winner and Isiah was in the wrong for walking off. They both took “L”s for conduct.
Nahh because jordan didn’t hate Rodman, infact on the 2nd 3 peat jordan recruited a lot of the bad boys. Thomas and Jordan beef is more than basketball. Sally just said it started with Thomas nephew wearing a mj jersey. Thomas vorch for mj when he first came to Chicago, mj became part of the Thomas family. So this beef is more than just hoops
What ppl never mention & talk about is in the previous years playoffs, the Celtics did the same thing to the Pistons when Pistons knocked them out. Celtics walked off with no handshakes. Nobody said nor still says shit! So DET thought oh, so we can do the same when we don't feel like it. So they did it to the Bulls next year and he and the Pistons are still paying & answering for that decision while the Celtics got away clean. Smh Mind you, when CHI went up 3-0 is when they dropped that the league is better off without DET in the playoffs. Who says that about the not only current champs but back to back champs?? I'm an MJ fan but Thomas states a lot of valid points. One being the Celtics/Lakers rivalry & games were riddled with hard fouls & takedowns that would be considered ejectable offenses & suspensions nowadays. Thomas stayed getting knocked on his ass when driving down the lane. Karl Malone split his head open. Dr J jabbed up Birds face while Bird was being choked out from behind. That was par for the course back then but when it happens to MJ it's nahh, that's too far now?? Cuz they wanna market the dunk & purify the game to reach a broader audience. That's fine & dandy but let's not act like the Pistons were the ONLY team giving out pain here. Stop it.
Salley acts like he didn't hear the audio that Jordan asked if Isiah was on the team. 🤦🏾♂️
This is petty bs John undervalued a great defender rebounder very much responsible for titles as much as any Piston
I remember the video with Magic and MJ and then Isaiah came to say something to magic and he completely ducked out to avoid MJ. Isaiah looked like less of a man moving like that.
real Nba fans already knew why Isiah was hot at Mike , but you can't say that it all started because Mike took over Isiahs city without mentioning he did try to freeze MJ out
How in the world did Zeke have that much power when Zeke just got into the league himself! Make it make since.
@@derekbanks7377 because Isiah feels like the little guys like him always get overlooked. 😁
@@Advent616 go back and watch that all start game Isiah didn’t try to freeze MJ out… Isiah was definitely passing the ball to MJ
Jordan, Pippen, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, all hated Isiah at the time. They all thought Isiah led the dangerous play that Pistons were known for. If your opponents feel like you purposely tried to injure them during the game, you're not going to be well liked. Don't cry about not getting an invitation to the party, when you're an a-hole.
i still believe zeke wasnt on that team, cause they had have some white players included, and only limited spots , also why laetner got on not shaq... it doesnt make sense that daly being the coach wouldnt demand that zeke be on the team...!
The Pistons were not shutting Jordan down
2:37 don’t nobody believe you lol
Salley stated Magic stated in his documentary he stopped Isiah from being on Dream team. Magic might have said it. But Shannon Sharpe has it on tape where Jordan said if Isiah on the team he wasn't playing. Jordan word carried more weight
It was Jordan who kept Isiah off the Dream team He was talking to Rod Thorn who was on the committee and also Thorn was former GM of the Chicago Bulls. So Salley was wrong
Magic actually did say that though 😂 . Y’all forget Magic and IT was beefing back in 91 that lasted because of the narrative that he was talking trash about magic and HIV.
None of the players wanted him but for some reason people want to pretend it was just mj
MJ may have said that, but he didn't keep Thomas off the roster. That wasn't his decision to make. So basically the argument is, that Jordan was so valuable that the powers that be chose not to include Thomas because *they* didn't want to lose Jordan. That's not Jordan's fault. Besides, as has been stated, he wasn't the only person opposed to Thomas being on that team.
@@somersetcace1 Karl Malone and Ewing hated him also
@@alfredooliva5175 Is that the sameMalone and same Ewing ? who never won a championship,who give a f..k what they thought, Isiah Thomas was the best pure guard to ever play the game, and at only 5ft 10 165 pds, he dominated, and people were jealous.
Lol he said the pistons were shutting mj down until pippen got drafted to the bulls. People say crap just to say it
It’s a reason why Mike didn’t fuck with Salley lol
This is BS clearly pippen said on Jordan’s doc that they pretty much said if isiah plays they wouldent
That isn't true at all John and I think you know it. Stop "Gaslighting" everyone. There is a recording of the call that Jordan got asking him to be a part of the 1992 Olympic team dubbed "The Dream Team" and Jordan asked if Isaiah would be playing and if so he wouldn't play.
Link?
Boy on here 🧢🧢🧢🧢😂
This is the realest anyone has ever talked about that era. Everything else is such soap opera bullshit.
I had to rewind it 4 times to make sure he really said "Michael loved Isiah and the Pistons"
Salley is so full of shit.
Isaiah’s record head to head against MJ is embarrassing for Michael but it’s not said, schooled him for years!
It's a team game🤣🤣🤣
They got MJ on tape…
Sal was a great ball player but he knows nothing about anything else
Bill Lambeer was a dirty player no denying that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good…
I was so glad T.K. Kirkland shut him down. People joke about T.K. being a liar because let him tell it he's been apart of every significant event in the world 😂but the people involved always vouch for him
Jordan does not “still” love Isiah 😂
That was one of many lies he told.
I always thought that everything strarted from Iseah.
John is out of his mind
I've been telling Folks- *Isaiah/Zeke was the man in Chgo prior to MJ.*
*We used to talk about- "Did you see how many Zeke scored"?* *Debate if we could play for Bobby Knight.* *We Idolized him-even followed him in Detroit-Until MJ came along.* *Us-Westsiders Finally had a new home team player to cheer.* *We could watch MJ every game on WGN or* *cable. Go to Chgo Stadium & see this new kid fly.*
*That took Zeke out.*
*He was no longer favorite son.*
As the Bulls got better, Zeke became more bitter. *The games between Chgo & Detroit became bloodbaths,* *the deliberate attempt to injure Bulls players,* *the dirty player label stuck-on Zeke in Chgo.*
*By The time of the cowardly walk off,*
*Zeke couldn't come home.* *We watched the Pistons "Literally" beat* *DaShit out of MJ & he was gracious to shake their hands afterwards.* Soon as the Bulls conquered them(they)punked out. The Olympic stuff was a mere formality.
*Zeke knew he couldn't come back home & that killed him.* *Killed him.* *Even his boy Rodman will never have to pay for a meal,* *a drink-anything in Chgo.-*
*Rodman's that revered-here.*
*Zeke(?) He gotta* sneak in the back door.* *He can't come home.*
I'm a westsider around isiah's age. We recognized his talent but he wasn't holding it down on the westside. Once he got to Indiana his talent really exploded. Went to St. Joseph so he could shine.
Is Larry Bird a coward???
@@RapOvrDos Yo,
*False Equivalencies are lamo*
*You should be asking that to*
*Celtic/Piston Fans.*
*Zeke was so busy being petty, he* *had no idea how DaShit played back in*
*HIS HOME TOWN & w/the Public.*
He *still don't FULLY get it.*
*Dude can't even come home...*
Chgo *Respects Dennis Rodman* more than him....
*Take the "L"* *Zeke* move on.
@@geedavia1785 you said all of that to not answer the question lol 🧢 Isiah still goes to Chicago
@@RapOvrDos And you said all that to State the Obvious. Yep He still comes to Chgo...
*But ain't nobody looking for him-*
*Ya Dig?*
Does this guy get paid by VLAD 😢, it's like he lives there.
After hearing IT interview. I could say John is telling a lot of lies.
Salley flat out lying about the Isiah, Jordan beef. He wants us to believe they hate each other because Isiah's nephew had on a MJ Bulls jersey!? LOL I heard Jordan himself talk about Isiah leading the All Star Team to freeze him out. And I'm sure there's more to it than just that, but it damn sure wasn't over his nephew wearing a #23 Bulls jersey.
Go back and watch that all star game Isiah didn’t freeze out MJ… Isiah was passing to MJ
BS they never shut down MJ he average 26 points a game against them before pippen came get the hell out of here with dat I call BS on the whole interview
Stockton was a better PG... and the beef started at the 84' olympics... Nice try Salley
John "Mr Spin Doctor" Salley!!!
Jordan's documentary was spin also. Everyone trying to put themselves in the best light. It is what they all do.
@@arizjones the biggest spin
That jersey theory is Bull💩. No pun intended.
watching this flashback reminds me why I never trust everything this dude says, some of its true not all
Some of its true not all, can be said about what Jordan says also. In fact they all revise history.
The All Star game freeze out happened, period.
Thank you for proving you didn’t watch the game
The people you pass on the way up are likely going to be the same people you see again on the way back down! Anyone who watched the Bad Boy Pistons knows they were the dirtiest team in the NBA during their run! Even Larry Bird wanted a piece of Bill Laimbeer's a*s for the stuff he did on the court! Say what you want, but there was some serious hateration against Detroit and they revelled in it! And the Bulls put up with it along with every other team on the Pistons schedule because the NBA put up with it! The final straw for MJ was the last playoff game (the 4-0 sweep) that saw Isiah lead his team off the court with time still left on the clock. It was disrespectful in and of itself, but it was also a di*k move by Thomas because his team was the last obstacle for the Bulls in getting to their first Finals! To finally overcome that obstacle and not get as much as a "congratulations" pissed MJ off to no end! He wasn't going to cry in his coffee, but he wasn't going to forget either! And now look at Isiah! Karma clearly has no sense of humor!
Become Isiah made terrible comments about Magic having HIV
STOP TALKING WITH VLAD, he does not KNOW BASKETBALL
Bad asz the NBA back then was a MAFIA hehehehehehehe
Isiah is the biggest Sook in NBA history
They were thugs. Their coach was a thug. And almost all of their players were thugs.
Come on sally lol, you had a set of rules to tackle mj before left the ground lol. And he never mentions bill lampere, aka the dirtiest player of all time lol.