Can you Daily Drive a Toyota Tacoma on Portals? What you should know!
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- We started installing portals on Toyotas last year and we have received a lot of questions about them, but one stands out the most: Can you daily drive a Tacoma on portals?
In this video we discuss everything you need to know and consider. This Tacoma was the 4th in the world on portals, the only one we know of running long travel and 40s at this time, and it was already re-geared with 5.29s, so it's a VERY extreme case of daily driving on portals.
If you have any questions about modifying your Toyota 4x4 or want to install portals on your Tacoma, let's chat! Leave a comment below or find us here:
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:38 Werewolf Portals vs 74Weld Portals
1:19 Why this is an Extreme Case of Daily Driving
1:40 What else we did to run 40s and Long Travel
2:19 Setting Expectations for Daily Driving Portals
2:56 Are Portals Worth it for a Toyota Tacoma?
3:30 Steering on Portals with Uniballs
4:34 RPMs at Highway Speeds
5:22 MPGs with Portals and 40s
6:02 Pre-load on your Coilovers
6:48 Brake Upgrades
7:21 Maintenance
8:02 Final Thoughts
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If you have the budget and want to do 37”s and up from the get go without messing with the differential gearing ratio, then portals is the way to go. The reduction provided at the hubs is going to even out the load. Ground clearance is awesome. This videos provide a good explanation of what’s all about. But as you can tell the foundation to get this done right is to have a bunch of money ready to do this stuff. Keep up the good work guys!
Appreciate it!
Yeah alot of money. No normal driver can afford these things.
Im a disabled vet. I could never afford this setup as much as i would like it
@@butterstix8965 than you for your service brother 🙌🏻
@@butterstix8965 The maintenance is kind of wild too. I had a Unimog for a brief period and adding what amounts to 4 more diffs hurts when its time to freshen up.
portals suck ass.
we need a drinking game where we take a shot every time he says "i run 40s"
haha this entire build is a tax writeoff for him, it's "for his business"
Tire envy? lol jkjk... it was kinda ridiculous and I'm the one who said it. Every time I edit a video I have several things that I say that drive me crazy. Believe me, I'm harder on myself than you could ever be to me. I hope you have a great day!
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha 😅😂🤣😅😆😄☺️😏😉!!!!!
OH DOES HE RUN 40s aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha 😂🤣😅😆😄☺️😏😉?????
It's a good thing he ever so subtly let us know😅😂!!!!!!
@@mtnyotasSorry but you've got to admit we've not said anything that the the public wasn't already thinking 🤔!!!
But Ok I apologize!!!!
But if you put them on my truck with the ball knuckles and suspension strengthening (for free) you can train and rehearse me till I get it right sweetheart 💞!!!!
Or drink every time he says "portals".
When I was maybe.... 12-13 I wanted to take transfer cases off of some old fl250's and use them as portals on a gokart and I didn't even know portals were a thing until a few years ago. The mind of a kid and a Harbor freight welder is amazing. should've just done it.
Cool story.
Stories that didnt happen for 6000 alex.
This portal upgrade is crazy cool. Seems like something that will take off as pricing comes down
hmmwv portals are super cheap. have been forever.
@@DieselRamcharger please share your source for "always cheap". Owned several H1 and surplus models. Portals are still very costly to rebuild or replace.
portals give clearance but increase the moving parts and fails more often than straight axles.
@@petejones6827 Portals increase the clearance in some places, Not all. They increase the axles distance from the ground, but the portal themselves are closer to the ground. Everything, and i do mean everything has trade offs. The crowd that speaks in absolutes is basically fucking clueless. In order to give in one area you must take from another. Its the name of the game. Compromise. Which is why building a dual purpose rig almost ensure its going to suck bigly at one of its intended purposes. This is why dedicated race vehicles and off roaders exist. AKA Trailer Queens. Because simply put, they are better at their single task.
@@DieselRamcharger to be perfectly honest i never knew about portals till i got in RC crawling and its the same trade offs on that. shit how i learned to be a good rc crawler is taking notes on real life crawling and scale it down lol
Tacoma owners are the only people who will spend $15k on the front and keep the rear axle as stock.
I cannot argue with that, actually... LMAO
Doesn't make enough power to break anything in the rear
Ha ha ha
If it work why would you 😂🤷♂️
Just another "absolutely yes", I have 20k miles on my G55 with Werewolf portals on 38s with no wear that I can see on the gears so far. Hardest part is dealing with all of the looks. I do 80mph on the highway all of the time and don't have any issues with oil temps in my portals either.
Homie just called me poor in 40 different languages
@TheMarshallReed hit with that 20 hit combo lol
Of course there would be no wear. 20k miles is nothing for a part lubricated by oil. Should last 100s of thousands if serviced properly
@@ElisPalace You're right, but I always like to hear firsthand experiences when I can anyway.
Yea but how fast are you burning through your tires though? Or ball joints and rod ends? Or your power steering pump? The amount of additional force required to turn your 38s on that much of a larger arc is not insignificant. All that force has got to go somewhere. I guess cash really is the best lubricant, if you have it.
Good info. Thanks for taking the time to show the drawbacks.
You bet!
What about unsprung weight? "Werewolf portals are made of cast iron steel and weigh in at a whopping 106 lbs per corner in the front and 78 lbs in the rear - 368 lbs total! Weight is a very important factor to consider when looking at each brand. 74Weld is 162 lbs lighter than Werewolf." Did you have custom valving done on your shocks to match the huge increase in weight at the axle?
We didnt do anything custom to these prototype GOAT shocks. They are position sensitive internal bypass shocks, though, so it helps a bit with the extra unsprung weight. We’ll be doing some shock dyno stuff soon.
Keep that center of gravity lower. More stable in off camber situations.
Every mod has pros and cons.
Thats a good point. If the unsprung weight isnt moving off the ground at high speeds then it isnt much of a factor for suspension and all that weight low to the ground is great for rock crawling.@@marcochavanne
@@MSpeedThree obviously not the same exact thing, but I added brass portal housings to my 1/24th and 1/10 scale crawlers and it makes a big difference in stability and off camber performance.
I'm sure it will compensate to some degree with the taller ride height.
@@marcochavanneI wonder if it actually lowers your COG in the average use case. Keep in mind it also puts the entire weight of the rest of the truck higher. It does however add that weight far from the horizontal center though which is essentially putting that weight on a longer lever arm.
Why am I at a dive bar in Wisconsin and I ran into Jim who engineers goats shocks for you guys. Cheers to that! And I drive a Yota too
Jim is a great guy, glad we know him!
As much as i love portal set ups, i would say the main drawback is the price. The portals, suspension and brake mods alone cost more than my whole gladiator and mods, on 37"s that gets 18.5 mpg
Yeah, I really can't imagine spending $30k on mods, nevermind ones that are questionable daily.
those land cruiser 200 components are heavu duty asf! people uses those parts to also convert toyota vans into 4x4 in australia and middle east.
the gear reduction at the hub reduces the load on the drive shafts (CV and universal joints) as well ~ principally it's the same way heavy equipment uses planetary gearing on the final drives
I dont mean to sound ignorant but have you thought of getting a cheap beater vehicle to commute to work and back? I got one and its definitely paid for itself in fuel savings and less wear and tear on my truck
I do have a commuter but I like driving this one 🤷♂️ 😂
@@mtnyotasthat me in my big ugly blue dmax.. she eats fuel but she’s fun to drive.. she goes just about anywhere, anytime & I can see better & further than any car.. to the point where I feel safer simply because my field of view is so great
Yeah this is such a stupid daily driver. Reminds me of all the pavement princesses I see on a daily basis.
Because the only purpose of this vehicle is self validation, amongst strangers and his peers..
I need this on my 2023 new gen ranger. Its perfect on manual trans. Adding this is absolute perfection
This would increase the value of your Ranger by 1/3rd dude. No joke.
Well considering mercedes uses portal axles from the factory on the g wagon 4x4 squared model id say its def dailyable.
Don’t forget the Unimog
@@J.Young808 yeah i feel ya, just dont think to many people are dailying a unimog. But the fact the benz can sell a $300+k luxury suv with portals and get no complaints goes a long way.
Hummer H1s get driven pretty hard on portals by mad lads in the military with no notable problems all around the globe on the daily. 👊
Powerbrake is a South African company. Cool to see them getting some traction in America
They’re awesome all around… ownership team is amazing, Delon moved to the US to build this market and he is the man!
Great video, your taco looks amazing. I would love to have some Werewolf portals on my Tundra. 😁
Me too
Its time to make an order! 😉
@@nxtgen2b416 You too! 😅
so so jealous of your truck, just a beauty!, I love my taco, one day I might get a quarter of what you got done.
great info!!! I'm hoping the trend of portals catches onto the 1/2 Ton market. The new Colorado already has the hubs from the 1/2 chevy's anyway. Fingers crossed
I don’t know how many people are going to buy into this but it’s a pretty interesting setup.
Great Channel! Wow your truck is a beast. New fan here
Appreciate it!!
I guess it's kinda early to say, but do you notice those heim joints making noise? the fact that they are completely uncovered yet have high friction surfaces inside means there's no avoiding grit and water getting in, unless they have a grease zerk perhaps. so how long do they last really before they're squeaking like a rusty bed spring?
This reminds me of when my sons used to put on my boots when they were like 3 years old. Especially when you showed the rims/tires & front axel while on the lift. Now I’m not doubting the Tacoma durability at all but I’m curious about those axels running such a large rim/tire combo? I forget to add it looks stout af too.
Seeing portals on a straight axel makes me laugh. This is silly, and I love every minute of it.
Why would that be bad unimogs do it
Damn clean asf! Thanks for letting us kno whats up
Appreciate you!
@@mtnyotas thanks Brotha! MOUNTAIN YOTAS #1
Honesty, not just sales pitch. Thanks
Thank you!
$20grand for portals
$3,000 on brakes
$5,000 on tires? Idk about the tires.
$10,000 for camburg long travel
$5,000 for shocks? I think….sooooo
$45,000 plus install if you don’t do it yourself…..
Insane……..
Good looking tho
It’s all relative… some people spend that just on bottle service in Vegas.
@@mtnyotas hahahahaha that true.
@@mtnyotashahahaha .. I'm yea .. SOME would jeez. Credit card inferno.
why not just get a $3k hatchback to daily and keep the milage low on the rig? probably cost less than the portals
I have a few vehicles... I just find myself wanting to drive the Tacoma more than anything.
This the first time in 20+ years I see this product in the states, first time I saw it was on a vehicle in Canada. I just never knew what they were called ... 🤔💬 think it was on a promaster van. Oh well your taco looks dope🙂👍🏾
Mudd wheelers, UTVs and H1 hummers have been rolling around you in the US with portals for decades.
Just didn’t notice them 🤷♂️
I have a 2021 Ford Ranger, and this taco is making me want to change teams.
Do it
Referring your taco as "BIG TRUCK" is just bit funny to me made me smile every time you say it. To me, it's still tiny truck just super lifted. Stiff small seats and cramped cab forever mark taco as tiny truck to me. It's not as comfortable nor roomy as full size truck, let alone three quarter ton and up truck. I understand point you are getting across that we all give up MPG in exchange for off road capability and there is no free lunch. Just maybe try use different way other than referring your truck as "BIG".
i watched a guy put portals onto an awd crv or rav4 and then proceed to weld the differentials. was a cute little off-roader for a time.
Unimog is the best truck literally ever
If those can be hardcore use and daily driven then most definitely a Taco can
That was our first in-person experience with portals... Unimogs are insane.
Great vid, interesting info.
Thank you!
It looks badass! I'd like to do something like this to my ranger raptor one day.
74 Weld has portals for the new Rangers.
Looks incredible
Very nice! This would be the dream for me if I could install them for a 100 series TLC!
Portals have been available for Toyotas for years. In Australia people been putting them on 70 series LandCruisers for atleast 5 years.
Available for Tacomas as of last year... The only portals you see in the US are typically G-Wagons and H1 Hummers.
@mtnyotas czcams.com/video/tHLaXQHA7So/video.htmlsi=xJLVyGWHoYkTHndD portal axles on a Mercedes E class, yes not a typo an E class.
Turn the subtitles on, the go to the menu and set auto translate to English, have a laugh. 😉
They are around for new Broncos as well@@mtnyotas
Me watching this video wanting to buy some portals and I dont even own a truck.
Hahahaha awesome!
Beautiful setup. What’s the gear reduction with the Werewolf?
Thank you! It’s a 35% reduction.
My hummer h1 has these factory they are great if you can keep the spindle nut in place lol.
what about the camber? does this effect tire scrubbing and alignment?
no, everything is added below the hubs, so you can run everything factory, shocks, springs, ball joints, control arms
Wish I could afford to play with the cool toys like this.
I'd love to see a video on portals vs RCLT. Which is more robust? Which is better off-road/highway? Cost comparo? etc.
Great idea, thank you!
Nice truck wish I could afford 40s mite be too much for my little 2005 2.7l 4cylinder 5 speed manual I have 33's and she's made at me but that's with out a regear I did put in a under dog procharger kit long tube header and new exhaust so that helped with the 33 pizza cuter tires I have on my stock suspension little regear cab 6foot bed truck with open difs go's just about enywere I point it with almost no complaints lol 😅 that in low rang 4 high she's gets a little grumpy will probably do a regear in the near future
Let us know if we can help anytime!
I learned something new! Thank you
I don’t even have a truck and I watched this video, might suddenly want a lifted yota now
If you get your spring rate correct you don’t have to max pre load at all.
dang, this looks amazing. I just started modding my tacoma after 2 years stock, and now I have the bug.
Thank you!
thanks for letting me know about portals. I never knew they existed. not for me though whereas I mildly take my truck off road. if I do it to a fish spot with my kayak.
Finally not just on Unimogs...
Is there an option available for a v8, 4th gen 4runner?
It would require custom uprights and axle shafts, so you'd be adding around $5k to the cost.
Any experience with solid axle portals? I have a 1996 Fzj80 land cruiser and was curious.
Yep, portals on a solid front is LEGIT.... happy to help you get it done if you're interested. Werewolf has a kit for the 80 Series and they're insane.
Interesting. Why they call them portals? Is look like a type of drop planetary drive. Didnt know this existed for light duty vehicles
I have always wondered why four wheelers called them portals and farmers call them geared final drives
What’s the noise level at. I imagine it would be loud because of straight cut gears.
It’s not as loud as the Procharger with straight cut gears and it’s about the same noise level as running big MT tires.
That Taco looks mean 👍
I’ve been curious about which would be the most removable/back to stock of the 2 options. I know the 74Weld requires a bit of modification to bolt up.
While I love the idea of putting portals on the Trailhunter I have coming, jumping and climbing up that high all day on trails to get footage seems like it would really suck 😂.
Both would be about equally the same to revert back to stock... maybe a SLIGHT edge to 74Weld because the Werewolf brackets get welded to the rear axle.
Very nice truck but I think I'm stuck with a Nissan Versa. 😁 The car is cheaper than just the portals.
So, if I still have stock 3.73 gears, I shouldn't even bother regearing right? With the 35% gearing decrease it would put me at a 5.05 gear ratio. If so, that makes it much more attainable if I can save the money on a regear.
Correct, you definitely don't need a regear when you're on portals!
You got the fourth set from the manufacturer WOW! That’s incredible we are all impressed that it makes your hat you wear more valuable.
It makes me qualified to speak on the subject. Thanks for your valuable input, though.
Those originally come out of boats or the military? I've got tall field sprayers around me but those are chain drive.
A hydro-boost setup would help a lot with braking.
Ya. I've been saying portals were always the way to go for proper lifts, for years now.
What is your lift considered height wise? Im ordering portals, but my truck currently has a 6'' lift on it, i plan to run 39's, im curious if it will be huge!! I can lower it if needed, it would just be nice lower during portal install if needed
And as far as the landcruiser steering rack, what all did you do for that, did you bump up pump pressure at all to help it alittle?
If you're on a drop bracket kit then I cannot recommend that you get portals without undoing your drop bracket... you'll be opening a huge box of issues for sure. Call us if you want...
I had to screenshot that side shot of the truck flexing on the ramps. Holy fuck.
Can we make some portals for subies next please haha
5.29s seems counterproductive with the portals. 4.10s * 1.35 portals would be the same as ~5.5s. Glad to seem the competition hopefully bringing the prices down.
It's definitely too deep with 5.29s... I just went down to 37s and I'll be going to 4.10s.
Hey what size tires are you running?
Hopefully a cast version becomes available for better affordability. Turning radius suffers & heims transfer vibrations and felt bump steer but 40’s may absorb crappy pavement better
Werewolf portals are cast and they're around $5k less than 74Weld, but 74Weld is worth every penny... we'll be diving into why soon.
$20,000 bucks to raise your truck 6 inches and do something to your gear ratio. I believe I would pass on that offer
Holy sht, that thing is a monster!
I wanted a big body Lexus, but they sold it and had the QX, so I gave it a try
What’s the difference in weight between the Wolf and 74Weld portals?
I don't understand why portal isn't used much more on trucks. Often you see a truck on big tires that you think has a lot of ground clearance but looking underneath there's always something that interferes, like differential or lower shock mount...
2 inches of extra tire height will only gain you a half inch to 1 inch of clearance at the pumpkin . Yep 4 inch lift kit and 36 inch tall tires gets an additional 2 inches at the pumpkin . probably an inch and a half because tire manufactures can't read a tape . There are a few reasons nobody wants them . This doesn't apply to independent suspensions . But everything works as a lever .On strait axles That is some serious leverage . Mas times velocity equals momentum . Multiply that by many hundreds of times , only god can comprehend the twisting forces multiplied when a portal is added to a strait front axle . Twisted axle tubes , busted frames , sheared king pins . A traction bar would have to be at least on the same plane as the king pin . Then you lost all advantage farmall b has ten horsepower and the flange to bolt its geared final drive is larger that the outer C on a 5 ton rockwell
Beast of a truck!
finely a video on portals. I just can't find people doing this.
Excellent video I love the honestly
love these small trucks
Tiny!
Maybe not available where you are but definitely been available for 10 years or more elsewhere in the world !
Show me where someone was producing portals for Tacomas prior to 2023....
ha, imagine thinking/marketing that IFS is somehow better for driving "on the highway" or "cross country"... Portals are sweet, and have the same benefits on a solid axle rig.
IFS on a Toyota is absolutely better on-road than a solid front.
@@mtnyotas yeah I guess it does ride/handle better... I think it's the phrasing that a lot of people in the Toyota (and now Bronco world) use when comparing IFS to a solid axle, it comes across as if you "can't" highway drive a vehicle with a solid axle. Millions of miles per year are driven on vehicles with solid front axles.
Very true, I could have phrased that more accurately for sure.
why can portal oil not last as long as diff oil?
Just finished the vid . Did not hear about the temperature on the portals and 40s
I’m convinced I would love to do this to my taco. Can I get portals on my 2006 2nd gen taco?
You can indeed, but it'll cost a little more because we'd have to get some custom axle shafts for you from CVJ. Email us info@mountainyotas.com if you're serious about it!
I drive a 2015 subaru xv crosstrek with a 2” lift. I would LOVE to slap portals on my subie. Shit. I only drive 1-3 miles a day hahaha
Do they sell portals for a Subaru? If so where do i drop off my arm and leg.
would love portal axles on a ram truck. Yours look awesome.
I wonder if these would allow Mattracks without having to cut the body?
That's awesome and the truck looks great, but there's no way you have to change the gear oil in those portals every 5,000 miles. There are no combustion products getting into that oil. The oil will have a similar life to a differential or a manual transmission.
74Weld recommends every 3,000 miles and it's based on chemical science (explained on their channel)... We're going to stick to 5k at most.
Which vehicle manufacture is going to be the first to have portals as standard. I wonder.
Humvee, g-wagon 4x4, Volvo c303, Unimog, etc. All come with portals.
Nice 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Tacoma big truck ? So what is my 83 suburban ?
As awesome as they are, all the added leverage is going to be a problem if your offroad adventures have occasionally resulted in broken driveline parts. Portals are definitely a mod the overlander who has gotten stuck in mud/snow many times, but never broken an axle or tie rod, and want to do deeper. Portals are likely not going to end well for offroaders who like to test their vehicle over crazy obstacles just because its there and bring a pile of spare driveline parts because they often break something. I may be getting soft in my old age and may be more in the overlander category now. It will just be a matter of convincing myself portals will make snow wheeling 20k worth of more fun.
It's really quite the opposite of what you're describing... it's a lot friendlier on the drivetrain because the gear reduction occurs at the hub.
@@mtnyotas The gear reduction only reduces load on your spinning parts. Any loads going into the tire up, front/back, left/right are going amplified by the increased leverages.
It's all likely a moot point as 99.9% of offroaders are very casual and do their best to avoid situations that may break anything. The guys that go out with the mission to push things until they break aren't likely to be dropping 20k on portals.
Someone needs to man-up and install portals… and then a set of Mattracks 😂
Portals should be $5k not $20k. They would fly off the shelf’s. They are super cool and beneficial, but wayyyyy to expensive.
Thanks for the tips
Would a gear vendors over and underdrive be a possible option?
Do you guys have a 4runner you set up with something like this?
I'd love to see the full size box rolling with a 6" plus lift w/o it being a straight lift kit. Only cause i have a 21' Runner and would throw it on mine.
Yep, we can do them on a 4Runner... there is a 4Runner on 74Weld portals and Werewolf has done 4Runners. Pretty much the same considerations.
@@mtnyotas do you guys do this work? Or know anyone in the PNW who does? Looks dope btw!
Man at a 40k truck + 20k price point for portals + suspension + body work you are in raptor territory with a 3rd of the hp haha looks sick though
Except you don't have to own a raptor..
Procharger on a Tacoma > rAPtOr
@@mtnyotas does that bad boi rip or what?
Raptor's got nothin' on this beast, unless you're racing. This rig is for trails and rock crawling; both of which it dominates the Raptor doing.
I have Hilux AT37 KUN26L 2015 3.0D4D; will this have such a kit as well?
Reach out to Werewolf Tech, they should be able to get you something!
I would love to have portals on my 08 tundra.
It's possible, you'll need custom uprights and axle shafts... I'd recommend contacting Werewolf directly. They're doing a custom kit for a 100 Series LC for us now.
Hey! We can make Bolt-on kit for you without any problem. Easy😎
Now you're thinking with portals