How Does The Dustbin Mac Pro Hold Up In 2024?
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I check out a dustbin Mac Pro and was real surprised by it.
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Ah yes, the burial urn of Steve Jobs
He sleeps with the trash can.
Totally made me think of an urn too when I saw this. Curious what other CPU options are compatible with this hardware?
@@NjazmoNah. He sleeps with the liver he sole from that teenager who was on the transplant list well before he was and would probably be alive if Jobs hadn't paid to jump to the front of the queue.
Ah yes another “Ah Yes” comment.
@@zybchyou know the transplant list doesn’t work chronologically, right?
It’s whoever needs it the most and can get to it in time.
It doesn’t matter at all when you get on the list. It’s given to whoever can get there within 4 hours and who needs it the most. Little Timmy really, really needs it but can’t get there? Sucks to suck. Similarly he’s already there but doesn’t need it quite as bad as someone else? There’s a salesman selling child-sized coffins on the second floor.
The adverse is also true with a rich person, he doesn’t need it but can get there? Cry into your money. Desperately needs it but his private air fleet all broke down? Sad panda…
Now fit a 4090 in it,
Like salvage a laptop motherboard and fit one inside the case(if required)
well, it has thunderbolt
I believe the only option you have besides the D300,D500, & D700 dual GPUs is to use a Thunderbolt eGPU setup. I have the dual D700 setup in mine and it's surprisingly snappy for current stuff that I do with it, but I don't do anything extremely demanding on that machine. I have a gaming PC for the stuff that requires more grunt.
Using an eGPU is too civilized and unfun,we need something more "sophisticated"
My god, I’m not even almost skilled enough to do something like that.
I've put a M1 Mac mini's logic board in mine. Video about it soon.
Fun fact: that's not an m.2, it's protocol compliant but of course it has a proprietary apple connector (which you can buy adapters for).
No way! That makes so much sense. I assumed it was M sata, but it being proprietary makes much more sense.
Considering the M.2 standard came out in November 2013 with this computer being also from 2013 it being proprietary ain‘t that unexpected, I am more annoyed that the more modern machines don’t have M.2…
@ophmuller3511 Considering Apple, it's funny how they didn't make propietary processor nor memory. They're good at copying shit from everyone, and then "making" their own, which is "think different" -mentality.
@@NjazmoTook them a while to make everything proprietary. But to be fair, their processors have genuine improvements over the standard ARM designs.
I noticed this with the MacBook Air. My 2015 11" came with a 128GB drive and my M.2 drive (970 Evo) didn't look the same.
I had gotten it as a dead liquid damage machine for $50 in 2015, then fixed it for $27 more with a new Magsafe 2 I/O board. A friend also had to RMA their 11" MacBook Air, so I traded batteries with them and got their 114 cycle battery while they got my 600+ cycle battery that got swapped under their AppleCare.
The solution for the memory was a bit tricky. I ended up buying two more parts 13" Air machines, selling them through repairs (LCD swaps, housing swaps, etc.), then having 256GB drives left over. Instead of using one of those, I traded both 256GB drives and the 128GB drive to a fellow refurbisher for a 512GB MacBook Pro drive; now my tiny 11" Air has a decent 512GB of onboard storage.
Still running great in 2024. I can't believe next year will make 10 years in my ownership. Still haven't gotten lucky with the M-chip Macs, everything I have in my collection is either Intel or PowerPC.
Dawid is like that one nerdy uncle that always makes you laugh
EXACTLY
I have a uncle, his name is Dawid and he's a computer technician 😭
@@HynarisFanomg that’s so good😂
Uncle? I’m pretty sure Dawid is younger than me (Same age as Linus from LTT) so more like little brother.
@@HynarisFan No way! Am I your uncle?
Now they aren't, thanks Tim.
yes
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Damn
Being cool that time were not always good
I'm still waiting for Apple to be remembered as a healthcare company as Tim Apple once said in an interview.
I got burned out watching tech videos a few months back. Except for Dawid. He makes these so much fun to watch, that I get happy when I see a new one posted.
well, get yourself one of these macs then every time you have to upgrade it you will think you're playing with your own mini nuke.🤣
4:30 Ah yes, cinenbench
cinnabench > cinnabon
It’s the cinebench we have at home.
10:50 In the future if the overlay doesn't want to work in CS2 you can use the netgraph to show performance. The console command is "cq_netgraph 1"
Thanks! I’ll give that a try. Usually the ole “allow_third_party_software” trick is enough, but I’ll give that a try next time. 👍
Doctor : Long Dawid isn't real, he can't hurt you.
Long Dawid : 7:06
🤣🤣🤣
My stomach looks extra sexy reflected in a Mac Pro.
His sexy face looks extra sexy at 1:50
3:39
Run! SlenderDawid sees youuuuuu!
The closeup on Dawids lips with the Mystique is just what I needed
He got me good with that. It was so subliminal I had to rewind to make sure I really heard it.
“If only someone else made it” describes the problem with all of apple’s modern products.
idk, some of their stuff would be pretty lame no matter who made it, but I also understand that some of it would be significantly cooler if it was just less "appley" but I think I get the vibe, can't really blame the 8gb ram sticks for being soldiered and sold at a 10x markup. The sticks didn't do that to themselves.
While I agree with a lot of things, I feel like if Intel made the M-series chips, the battery life on the Macbooks would be like 25% of what it is. Were it made by most PC manufacturers, instead of sleek and sturdy aluminum body - it would be made of flimsy plastic. Apple isn't the best at everything, but they have had their wins over the years. I use MacOS far more than I use Windows. (I'm kind of OS agnostic, not a fanboy - I run Linux, MacOS, Windows [10&11 currently], BSD, and I usually have at least one tinker system running something like Haiku or some other alternative system.)
The problem is that Apple designs for normies, creatives, and people that aren't as concerned with flexibility and geekier pursuits. I think the Mac Pro that followed this was worse, because it's bigger, but still has too much going on inside that's proprietary. And don't get me started on the fucking $699 case wheels, or the $999 display stand!
@@sbrazenor2 Similarily priced windows laptops are not made of flimsy plastic. a lot of budget gaming laptops are but that's because the people who buy those do not care whether it's made of plastic or metal.
@@kirby1225 I have used computers in the same price range that felt cheap and flimsy. Not all of them are, I agree, but many. I have laptops I got for $100 that feel solid, on the other end of that, so I was just making a generalization.
@@sbrazenor2 Came here to say this, so yeah - me, too. I use Macs at work and home for normal productivity stuff, because I like Unix and macOS is the nicest desktop Unix around (yeah, yeah...YMMV). I also have a Windows desktop I built myself for gaming.
I wanted one so bad back then. Sooner or later I will get one just as a collector's item and for nostalgia. This thing will be capable of everyday browsing and E-Mail tasks for years to come.
Yeah thats what I've been doing with late 2000's HP HDX laptops lately like the HDX 9000 and the HDX 18T, they're old enough to be found for like a hundred bucks, but still oddly usable once you give it some TLC and do as many in-place upgrades as possible. Heck my HDX 18T can run Windows 10 just fine. The poor HDX 9000 is limited to an 800mhz FSB so no Core 2 Quad for it, so I upgraded that as far as it'll go, enjoyed it, and now its boxed back up in its original box as a collectors item/museum piece, as 20.1" laptops are rare.
These are still widely expensive and widely underpowered computers from 11 years ago. Like why the hell are they still $500 on eBay?
They look cool?
@@Collin_J Yeah that is definitely why. They do look cool.
Cool like a gucci trash can, sort of understand why now. @@DawidDoesTechStuff
Sheep buy trash cans for $500.
Genuine psychopaths actually collect Apple gear. No clue why in this case, it's not old enough to be interesting.
Try not to think too hard about which fluids that towel was used to mop up
Thoughts on i3 n305?
The color of the towel may hint at the color of the liquids
Well that I didn't expect 😅
iSperg
Well now I’m much less excited by the towel. 😂
Bootcamp is known to use older versions of drivers. You should consider updating the video cards drivers and retry gaming. Hopefully that improves performance.
Yes and also custom drivers like amernimezone
5:50 - Aroused Wale Sentience…? What a gamer tag. 😂 I wouldn’t expect any less from Dawid.
fun fact. it stayed somewhat similar to when he didn't blured his username back in 2018+
Why even bother blurring?
For RTSS overlay to work on CS2 you need to launch the game with "-allow_third_party_software" in the launch options
Cheater ! Don't be a cheater, man, nobody likes a cheater.
Yeah! I did use that, but it just wasn’t enough this time. 😥
@@Gatorade69 it's not cheating if it's available and provided to anyone from the devs themelves...it's called an option
man really made me watch a 18 minute video about a Trashcan
1:50 dawid looking elongated
I'm a simple man, I see Dawid I click
yes you sound simple
Nothing wrong with that 🤩
I bought one a year or two ago as a home server (running Mac OS)
Thing works super well. Monterrey is still more than enough, especially since the Mac Mini server I was using ran Catalina. Automatic backups, Jellyfin, Airmessage, NAS, Compressor over network, and whatever else I want to throw at it. I paid around $850 CAD for a system with the 3.0Ghz 8 core Xeon, 64GB of DDR3 ECC, 1TB SSD, dual D500. Compared to an M1 Mac Mini, it's an absolute steal.
Towel... Why that brings always to my mind Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy and quote about man and his towel....
Quote;
“A towel, [The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy] says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapors; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a miniraft down the slow heavy River Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (such a mind-boggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.”
I salute you. This was awesome. And by the way, the Hitchhikers Guide is one of Dawid’s all time favorite books.
Woah, I really want to read the Hitchhikers Guide books again now. 😂
5:35 ntfs was created for windows and macos uses it's own(apfs),tho it can read ntfs but it can't write to it. exFAT is supported by macos and windows
If you get the software called Macs fan control it forces the fans to change speeds depending on the temps.
Apple designers then: "What should it look like? How about a...trash can?" Apple designers now: "What should it look like? How about a...cheese grater?" Apple designers in the future: "What should it look like? How about a litter box? a toilet? a microwave? a...???"
The old Mac Pro was a cheese grater, then there was the trash can, and then a more aggressive cheese grater. Now, the pro option is just an obese Mac Mini.
They’ve already done the Toilet with the iBook G3
Next up litter box
Glass would be hillariously expensive in this application unless you somehow found an off the shelf jar or tube that was somehow the exact right size, but maybe some high quality acrylic or something to mantain the overall shape and see all the insides would be a neat case mod.
Sometimes being a box hoarder is a good thing if you need to RMA something, I have done it several times using the original box and anti static bag
Except for when your spouses hate it…. 😂
@@AnnaDoes
But your cats will love it
I always wait for these interesting videos, keep it up Dawid
I hate to be "that guy" but I'm pretty sure that Linux open source drivers support those gpus with more modern games.
I love the eerie noises during the B-roll footage of this thing. Reminds me of Bakemonogatari's crazy cinematography.
That SSD is an AHCI PCIe 3.0 SSD but that connection is proprietary. You'd need an adaptor if using it for PC.
That's one of the things I hate the most about Apple's decisions with this computer. I have one, and unless I get an adapter for an M.2 drive, I'm stuck with that proprietary non-sense and there are very limited options available for replacements.
@@sbrazenor2m.2 wasn’t available when this thing was designed.
@@christophmuller3511 the trashcan was made from 2013, onward. M.2 was available from 2012. They could have either used it, or a different key variant to use SATA compatible drives. (Slower, but more options.)
@@sbrazenor2 the M.2 specification came out in November 2013
I used to run Windows 7 on my 2012 Macbook Pro for about a decade as my main OS, just partition divided hard drive and easy install off of ISO. Back then their devices did actually have the end user usability in mind - unlike now where they just have the end user wallet in mind.
Man,
I do appreciate all of the content you create. Thats all.
Bought one a few years ago. It now has 64gb of ram, a 12 core cpu, and a thunderbolt 27" monitor. And, with having an m2 and a stupid powerful gaming PC, I enjoy using it more than any other PC in the house.
Great teardown into the bowels of that MacPro. It's certainly a clever and interesting design, and I enjoyed seeing how it's put together.
i still use one of these at work, gets everything done just fine still for graphics design and even runs davinci ressolve with no issues for 4k video believe it or not
Older AMD exclusive fullscreen often had the issues with the whole mouse missing thingy.
It's be cool to take one if these and modify and upgrade it to function as a top of the line rig obviously with form factor limitations
you could do tests after cleaning too to see if there is any performance gain, simple and cheap 64gb ram upgrade, faster msata ssd or cpu upgrade test would be nice too
Getting a driver for those Firepro D500s is kind of strange considering my AMD HD 8350 has a legacy driver available for Winders 10 on AMD's site, it's even older than the D500 by nearly one year.
The hitchhiker's guide to old Macs.
I had similar issues in Bootcamp, but all of those issues were on older Macs which were EOL. And EOL means no driver updates, also not for Bootcamp. My best guess is those old drivers cause issues in Windows 10. But I am a sane person and I never actually owned on of these bins so I can't be sure about that. It could also be something in the hardware or its firmware which was made for Mac and just doesn't like Windows because of that.
Now that's what I call a real trashcan
this thing is so beautiful. the mac studio should use this case. the m chips are perfect for this kind of format.
try the 3rd party Nimeze drivers for those AMD cards, i don't know a lot about apple, but if you can install those it might help with your gaming situation.
That deep cool ad had me in tears. The whispered "mystique" like it's a fragrance ad or something haha
About 5 years ago I picked up the base model on eBay and then had fun upgrading it to a 12-core CPU, D500, and 64GB RAM. I thought it was gorgeous and, hooked up to an external GPU, it gamed nicely. I finally sold it and made the transition to Apple silicon.
Dawids ad spots actually wants to make me buy their products. It's filled with true to life emotion.
Bootcamp doesnt do anything to the windows OS, its just an "activator" to ensure you can dual boot your device you can install other OS once the setup is done, HOWEVER it will use everything "stock" which also means very outdated drivers IE think of it this way you installed the drivers that came with the disk from your GPU, its just meant for you to get you started its up to your due diligence to get everything setup though (get the latest drivers from the GPU manufacturer and or CPU/motherboard driver which you typically dont need to do)
I love when you do videos like this!
cool isnt exactly the word i would use to describe that pc but i think you realized that when you saw the temp during the GTA V benchmark
I love how all the B-roll has rumble in it.
yay love the days when dawid uploads, dawid is the only youtuber i actually have notifications on
Great vid Dawid. I hope Deepcool like your sponsor slots as you nail them! Great to see Apple never change, also interesting to see there’s not much difference gaming on an ancient Mac Pro to a M2 Mac. Both leave you disappointed.
Hallo boet! I literally just picked up one of these in Surrey off of Craigslist
I inherited a Promise Thunderbolt 2 - 6 drive RAID array that I needed an older Mac to access. It was either this Trashcan or an older Mac Mini for roughly the same price, but this one is way cooler
So, now I've using it for UNRAID with a 6x6tb 30TB array and I'm very happy
I use one of these free flight 3 years in my graphic design job and I had no idea that that was the back
The 2013 Trashcan Pro is a bit of a boondoggle. 6x Thunderbolt 2 ports but only 4x USB3 ports. TB2 hardware is increasingly hard to find. The 2 most useful ones I've ended up buying are a 2x eSATA port dock (goes well with a 4-bay PROBOX for ZFS) and a 10Gbit Ethernet adapter. You can get more out of it with a USB3 hub; but it has some pretty famous overheating issues and the graphics cards tend to die
I want one of these. It could make a passable late '90s/2000s retro gaming PC if you can install Windows 7 or XP on it. You'd need a USB optical drive to install anything but you could use nocd cracks to avoid having to leave it plugged in full time.. Or it could be an awesome general purpose Linux machine. A GPU mod other than the dual D700 option would make for a fun modding challenge. I'm thinking RX550.
the imposing, ominous rumbling every time there's a b-roll shot of the dustbin is making me giggle 😭
Try the Jonsbo BO102 case, it has a similar structure
I have always admired his design.
I would even suggest adding the ability to attach a stand and angle it, as if it was an airplane turbine.
MSI Aegis has a similar feature.
The layout reminds me a bit about the NUC Extreme series
4:26 People often say that apple devices get support for so long yet I have several ipod touch and ipads that work perfectly fine but cant run anything. Even the homebrew side sucks because of how poorly backed up old apps are.
aren't their custom drivers that bypass the driver check in games, and adds support for newer games.
I have a 2013 Mac Pro only mine is the 8 core processor. It still runs fairly decent but nothing like modern Apple silicon.
I really would like to see you month this outside the urn and put water cooling blocks on the gpus instead. Put small heatsink on the memory. Maybe also the CPU and change the ram if you find something that works.
You should have tried custom AMD drivers (Amernime Zone, now known as R.ID)
Just like that scene in The Abyss, when the Seals disassemble the nuke's warhead to use it against the alien
I love how now there is an AIO that is the same name as my home media server.
Look at the Mac Pro 5,1 they sold in 2012 or 4,1 from 2009 They had dual CPUs and on the 4,1 the dual cpus came delided
On Mac Pro 2013 you need the external GPU. I play game gaming in Mac OS withegpu
Pity, wanted to see if he was able to put it back together so it worked ☹, since it didn't show it being reassembled , makes one wonder!
@DawidDoesTechStuff
Did you install the boot camp windows driver package first, and then update the graphics card drivers? There are sources for older drivers and also moded driver packages with "modern" drivers for old cards.
I got one of these from work (free because it would have been junked othervis) I got the same cpu the one with D300's so even less graphics power. Have seen youtube videos were people do connect high end graphics via the thunderbolt ports on in it. It gets kind of nerfed because of the bandwidde deficit, but still good fun. Love this old computer. But personally I will stick to playing games on my PC.
12:10 nope, bootcamp worked fine on traditional hardware configs until they discontinued it. I ran windows on a macbook pro forever until building a pc after the M chips came out.
Form/look over function😁
Thank you, for posting this fun video. I have always, loved the design (but, not the very high price tag) of Apple's space gray "trash can" Mac Pro. A couple of years, after the used price of these units started to "Drop like a Rock" had to decide to either buy Apple's new M-1 "Mac Studio" desktop or a used "trash can" Mac Pro. For about $1,000, I picked-up off of Ebay a "trash can" Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD model (smile...smile).
Hi may I ask what kind of of connection did you used between the trascan and your monitor and what resolution, tks
You should send it back to the guy disassembled
It’s not SATA, thats the Apple Proprietary NVME SSD, the 3rd and final version they made and used from 2013-2015. It’s technically PCIE gen 3x4. I’ve swapped all mine to newer M.2 SSDs with a little adapter but it’s only compatible with NVME m.2 gen3 drives (Samsung 970 Evo Plus is my go-to). Max speeds on the 2013 Mac Pro seem to be about 1.2Gb/s with a new M.2 drive, maxed out the original Apple drive around 800Mb/s. SATA drives max out at 550Mb/s.
You can use modded AMD drivers which include some modern features, namely Amernime drivers, which include support for older GPU, for the fireproof d500, the Legacy GCN version could work, maybe allow us to boot newer games.
Yeah you nailed it, mac can read NTSC drives but not write to them. Luckily apple gives you know indication off this other than erroring when trying to write. We a FAT32 house now
Regarding Bootcamp, I only have a little experience with it on my old 2011 macbook pro 13, but I think it installs a legacy version of windows rather than UEFI, which could be causing some of the performance issues and quirks youre experiencing, as UEFI has been common-place for quite a while now. Using the "OpenCore" bootloader will let you install UEFI Windows and Linux, and newer versions of MacOS than apple "officially" supports
i have a crazy maxxed out trashcan from 2014. Someone is still producing music with it lol.
Upgrade video when? I wanna see you get one of these to the highest spec possible :D
How about a stand/base with a 200mm high static pressure fan to push moar air thru the bottom grill?
That would add about 399$ more to the final price of the product
Hey Dawid! If you still have this, you should install ‘Macs fan control’ on both the Windows and MacOS sides and re-benchmark some things to see how it really can perform.
Apple is notorious for favoring ‘quiet’ over ‘cool’, and the default fan curves are usually trash ESPECIALLY for Windows. But with MFC you can crank the fan(s) to full blast.
There are also more recent custom/community made drivers for gaming on these in Windows :)
Have one there not bad as long as you do a lot of bs
1. Replace all thermal paste
2. Replace drive with new m2 sata ssd with adapter to avoid apples proprietary ssd bs
3. Install a os once installed quickly install mac fan control and crank to the max unless you want to overheat
I remember doing this with bootcamp and having to install drivers for windows for better performance.
That cursor problem is a dota bug
It'd be very interesting to see you upgrading this Xeon to another one more powerful, and with more cores.
Thanks for showing this product, ManyKudos from Canada
In around time when that was made almost all computers used sata drives and motherboards had usually just only one additional M.2 slot that nobody really used because of the price of the M.2 drives. I don't think the chipsets supported more than 1 of them back then.
to be fair I got one of the 2006 imac last year and it was easy to install windows 10 on that ..... wouldn't recommend it at all but was interesting it would do it.
Just wondering how can i get the same "stat" overlay that Dawid uses? Ive been wanting to test how well of a match my gpu and cpu are on different games.
Its literally afterburner overlay which may or may not work
I always had a soft spot for these little things.
But as you finished the video with, "If only someone else made it."
xD that background music
Right on Dawid has given us another banger. Lets go!!!!!
So much respect for the engineers who conceived this thing.
Any chance to make a video where you upgrade this a-ssyphilytic system?