Karen McDonald speaks to the media after James and Jennifer Crumbley's sentencing
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald speaks during a news conference to give her reaction to the 10-15 year sentenced James and Jennifer Crumbley received for their involuntary manslaughter convictions in connection to the killings of four students during the Oxford High School shootings by their son Ethan.
That’s incredibly disappointing that a defence lawyer would roll her eyes during a victim impact statement
Especially here.
Consider the source. Shannon is cringey.
I feel like she needs to be investigated. She is suspicious all over. Gross
Did you see her rolling her eyes?
@@Queenme1978no but Hannah's sister did and that's all that counts. It's abhorrent behaviour but it tracks with that inspid woman.
They should NOT be allowed to contact each other since the victims families will NEVER be able to contact their dead kids!
That part!!!!!!
Exactly 💯
Inmates are generally not allowed to contact other inmates at other correctional facilities, even if they are married
The attorney rolling her eyes was most likely Shannon Smith.
The prosecutor using the victims´families for her political gain is disgusting.
Feeling bad and expressing sorrow is one thing. Accepting responsibility and acknowledging that they could have and should have done things very, very differently is another thing. The Crumbleys did not accept responsibility.
When Jennifer Crumbley spoke about forgiving the prosecution, she really showed how out of touch with reality she is. I mean, I have not observed the whole trial, but the overall sense that I got is that Karen McDonald did a great job. And here is Jennifer Crumbley saying in the presence of the families that she forgives the prosecution. She should have been begging the forgiveness of the families - acknowledging, "I failed as a mother. I missed the warning signs. I should have paid closer attention. I could have and should have done a lot of things very, very differently." Instead, she painted herself as a victim and insisted, "We were good parents."
They did both say they would have done things differently. You just have the wrong record playing over and over in your head. Nothing they say will be adequate. You could be in their shoes very easily if you are a gun owner with teenagers at home. That´s 90 percent of America.
Thank you Karen McDonald for all of your hard work
Those victims’ families OWE Karen McDonald. Big time.
Enjoy your victory celebration, Karen.
Yeah right. She’s a 🤡
@@dillysgirl4ever lollll
She really worked hard for the victims and future of America! We salute and thank you! God bless yah!
@Jetblue222 What exactly does jailing the parents accomplish? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is a political move on behalf of Karen Mc Donald, she is an elected official seeking reelection or a higher position of power. If she doesn´t go after the school, that just shows she is in on it. We´ll just see how the next shooting goes and the trials that one ensues. Just more taxes to feed more criminals. More taxes going to feed criminals and less money for education and infrastructure. Yep our system sure is laughable.
Don't buy Guns for your depressed teenager for Christmas present? Omg ..
james saying tates surname wrong at first i nearly dropped and then the final statement to tates dad about truth and raising his voice like tates dad had in his statement was just awkward.
Worse than awkward
Manipulation. I am in awe at Tates dad not reacting to that.
They could have said, they wished they had recognized the problems with their son or had taken his problems more seriously. They act like they never saw any issue with him.
How when know saw it what sigh did show in last year beside draw of gun on day it not crime been sad it enough sigh know saw this coming not parents not teacher
I think that they "never saw any problems" because they pretended he didn't exist. Therein lies the issue. It's just another illustration of their negligence. Maybe after a decade to think about they'll finally figure it out.
@@kc-lp6wg yes, it was like he was a afterthought. Oh yes, let's spend time with Ethan today, then back to the horses 🐎
As they Said “we thought we had a perfect son” - entire family is in prison now because of the way they raised their son
@@MysticRose24 That blew me away! remember Mr Crumbly"s Ex said, they thought Ethan could do no wrong. It's pathetic
Nah. They shouldn't be ahle to call each other nor ethan. They had the opportunity to be parents. The real victims will NEVER see their children again. All for sending them to school
I agree with you 100%.
@@lucianozo This is how the government fools the low intellect populace (more than 80 percent of Americans sadly)into believing that it´s doing something about the problem of gun violence while doing NOTHING AT ALL. Meanwhile ensuring that the NRA´s gun sales keep booming. There are still several guns in each American household and the cycle of gun violence continues.This has nothing to do with parenting or mental health help. America is bleeding in dying need of gun control. yet it will do anything to prevent any change in gun legislation including inventing charges to jail Americans for just being their usual dumb ole selves.
Amen Amen
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It's unfortunate that at least one of the defense attorneys can't be professional or dignified enough to show respect toward the families of the victims. I would expect eye rolling from a child, not from an attorney. Well done, eye roller. You showed the court just how much class you have.
I hope this gets more attention. That sister showed more poise, dignity and maturity that that attorney. Gross
I bet I know which one it was. She needs to be disbarred she was inappropriate and unprofessional the entire time.
Where was this eye roll captured at?? Like when did she eye roll?
@@LeslieLyn86 It wasn't on video.
I certainly don't condone what Ethan did . That being said he begged for help but they continually ignored him
Imagine if his parents had paid attention and gotten help for him. His life could be completely different. Not to excuse his behavior, but he was a troubled son who wasn’t parented well.
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We all know he begged for help right? We all know it couldn’t have been him making sh*t up… no one knows for certain what happened. No one.
No he didn’t he wasn’t beg nothing there all had gun in there house he been shot range 9 months Ethen court case he didn’t have anything wrong with him be sad doesn’t make you killer
This is why his parents are going to jail.
one thing they didn't also address was giving their son access to alcohol. The pictures showed an empty whiskey bottle in his bedroom and the parents texted one morning about Ethan not feeling well--he had a headache--and one reason was "he had a lot to drink last night." They were concerned he wouldn't be able to go to work that morning. I believe they decided to give him tylenol. WTH???? Alcohol and Zanax were apparently their idea of good parenting.
Yeah, I heard about that empty whiskey bottle. If they knew their underaged son was drinking, what a joke it would be to claim that they were misunderstood parents that really cared about their son.
And Xanax!
That was a fine statement by KM, "This conviction was based on facts." I too feel disappointed by the Crumblys statements. Well, more disgusted. Also disgusted with the defence lawyers. Mostly Mrs. Smith. Thank you Karen and Mark, plus the whole prosecution team. Sympathy to the victims families and friends.
This conviction was based on EVERYTHING BUT FACTS. These convictions are political scapegoating for the benefit of Karen MC Donald´s political career. The school had all the pieces of the puzzle and did NOTHING, BUT they got immunity from that POS so now they cannot even be sued in civil court. How dumb are you to think Karen and Mark are really on the side of the victim¨s ? Tate Myre´s dad is right. He needs to lawyer up and go after the school and then go after McDonald for giving the school immunity. For not allowing the shooter to testify.
This is a sick corrupt system.
They ran and hid from their son when he needed them the most. How can they act like they care now
Shannon Smith is as Crazy 🤪 as her client. She actually kissed Jennifer and gave a little hug goodbye 🤔. Now I've seen it all 🤣
She was touchy feely with Larry Nassau at trial too and victim blamed. The woman is unprofessional and a disgrace to the bar.
For people who think the Crumbley's sentence is too harsh they
1. Bought Ethan a dangerous handgun and I believe handguns were illegal for teens in MIchigan.
2. Ethan's father bought the gun illegally telling the gun shop owner that it would be his gun (not Ethan's).
3. They did not supervise him or lock it up away from him.
4. Despite the fact that they saw the drawing showing Ethan being disturbed they did nothing to go check on the gun at their house. If they truly didn't know about his issues then this should have been such a shock to them that they would've gone home immediately to verify the gun's location and lock it up.
5. In court they did not even own up to the above (even if they didn't know Ethan was disturbed they knew they did that wrong).
The sentence was totally appropriate.
Also, he begged them again and again to go seek professional help for him. On one occasion, the mother laughed in his face and the father told him to "suck it up".
Thank you for laying it out so plainly.
I also think that them starting to leave him home alone beginning at age 6 says all I needed to hear about their parenting.
1 and 2 are not even illegal under the supremacy clause, article 4 section 2 paragraph 1, second amendment,9th amendment,10th amendment,14th amendment section 1.
There is no age limit whatsoever under the constitution for any American citizen to exercise their constitutionally protected rights.
The ones who are guilty are the principle, teachers, supposed victims who were most likely bullying him and their parents.
His parents committed no legal crimes whatsoever.
The fact of the text of the dad telling him to suck it up is proof evidence these teachers and so called victims were bullying him and caused him to snap they should be held accountable,but you dumb fks never want to blame the real criminals the schools and bullies in the schools, you just blame the tools and parents, society never wants to take responsibility for what they cause. This crap is why all state sanctioned brainwashing indoctrination centers (schools) should be defunded and disbanded, schools are unconstitutional and should be illegal.
I am Literally Sick to my stomach that these parents continue to blame the School. They take no responsibility for this being their Child and What they as parents should be responsibility for. As a parent you don't buy a Teenager a HandGun, PERIOD!!! You don't go hunting with a HandGun. They Still Don't Get It.
Geeze the apple didnt fall far from the tree on this family.. No Remorse whatsoever just so angry that they got charged for these crimes. My heart ❤️ goes out to the victims Family!! The judge gets an A+ on my behalf..
I actually felt more remorse from Ethan during his Miller hearing...the Crumbley's are just plain awful, self-centered drunks.
Her rebuttal and explanation of remorse was perfect. I can't help but think the parents are just plain stupid, they don't get it.
They totally get it.
I watched the parents statements. I wonder about the intellectual level of the parents. Not psychotic, just completely clueless as to what parenting is. Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying they should not do some prison time. I just find it disturbing that people that disengaged from ability to sense difficulties, danger, and make connections.
Yup, the parents still aren’t parenting even at sentencing. No accountability, no parole.
@@Mst-bh9tiagree, I think they are so self-centered and self absorbed that they can not really make connections outside their bubbles
I've edited/corrected my initial comment vis -a-vis prison time.
Crumbleys Ran Away from their son. Never stood by him when he needed their support. Didnot get him a LAWYER!
Thank you Karen and team for your hard work.
I think this would have gone differently if both of them would have shown remorse and taken accountability. Also James threatened prosecutors and that didn’t help.
I was so glad that the Prosecution quoted what James said on the calls. Definitely threatening and not at all the venting that his lawyer tried to portray it.
@@kc-lp6wg me too!!
nahhh, wouldn't have mattered you must not have been on a jury in the last few years, they will single you out till you vote guilty, especially if your a woman
Unfortunately if they had self reflection they would have been better parents and Ethan would have had support for his mental health issues.. but both these people were horrible parents
God bless this prosecutor team, everybody involved in bringing this case to a close and the judge for bringing justice to the victims families.
great job on the prosecution team to get the proper verdicts.. the crumbleys showed no remorse, more like Jennifer did not.. I feel so sad for the 4 famlies who lost their 4 children. I hope this brings a message to parents that they will be held accountable for their actions. shannon smith is a terrible whiney lawyer..
I still can’t believe he was never taken to a therapist or checked in to a hospital for the things he said and did up till that day! Geez mom and dad you blew it BAD
So will James get any extra charges for threatening the prosecution attorney?
So in 7 1/2 yrs they can be up for parole!? I sure hope they don’t get it!
If they keep acting how they're acting they won't. They don't care and the parole board will see that
AND IT'S 4 VICTIMS NOT JUST 1 ...so..
Plus IF AND when they come out they will have multiple felonies on them so mcdonald's job would be waiting for them
Well done Karen and team, you all did a great job.
imagine rooting for the defense in this case...
I applaud these heroic prosecutors.
Now go after the school and school district!
I’m so glad my kids are grown!
Me too.
but what about your grandkids?
@@jazziez6467 well so far they are being raised good by parents who are not wrapped up in their own world.
Parents are messed up and the kid is evil 😈👿👹👺
Society and schools are messed up and evil.
Karen looking at Mark to answer the questions she doesn’t want to has me cackling 😂
I live in Newport News Virginia and we had a 6 year old boy shoot a teacher at school and they convicted his mother and she was sentenced to 2 years.....
How did the 6 year old get the gun?
In a case like this justice IS NOT EVER for the victims. It’s for those the victims leave behind.
Prove me wrong.
WE LOVE YOU KAREN AND MARC !!! 👑👑💙💗
Defense lawyers were unprofessional, insulting and really misrepresented the legal profession.
She’s a phenomenal attorney.
so whats next, the school seemed pretty lazy daisy on letting him back in class carrying a backpack and his criminal pics
Boggling that they want to keep in contact with each other when they didn’t really communicate with each other when they lived under the same roof & we both having affairs with others. They need to be treated as other co-defendants are treated, no contact period.
Prosecuting attorney did a great job both in the trial & staying on the subject in this interview.
Yes, most parents DO need to be told to lock up their guns. So many guns have been easily stolen from unlocked cars in my town. It’s a huge issue! Parents also generally need to be aware that they can be held accountable and need to check on their children. Build a relationship of support and discipline, check their rooms, their phones. Be their parent!
Absolute huge applause to. Karen McDonald. Brilliant work. Thank you
I think prosecution team was excellent and really cared about the victims and their families.
Jennifer Crumbley will have a long time to count her calories on her peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
There's enough personal/moral failings on this woman without picking on her weight. NICE people will reads this & see that you cannot be trusted.
@@SafetySpooon what the hell you talking about
Pay attention to your children because this is the outcome if you don’t listen to your child the Crumbleys kept brushing Nathan off and didn’t get him help.
Not a big deal but it's Ethan.
What about those poor victims and their folks the tragedy have to live the rest of their lives without their child 😫😢very sad
Great job prosecutions team 👏👏👏
They feed them good, that is why she has gained weight,in the 880 something days on taxpayers money. They are not worrying where their next meal is coming from, the ones on the outside has that problem.Their son has never got to worry he will never have bills too pay. Just sad for everyone, all of this could have been avoided if his parents would have listen too Ethan cries for help. Parents need too pay more attention too their kids. Instead of letting TV, video games ,social media be the babysitters.
Very glad justice was served. You all did a great job. My wish is that the victims and families find peace ❤
The Parents are to blame to almost as if they pulled the trigger themselves
No the teachers and bullying victims and their parents are to blame.
Some folks in the US claim people should be held responsible and accountable for their own actions. Well, the Crumbleys are being held responsible and accountable for their own actions. That's how the legal system works.
@@dragonf1092 how are the bullying victims to blame their. Ring bullyed in this case your wrong the Parents ignored his cry for help and the father is crazy with the comment he made at the school and the Mother was out having an affair while her son was in mental pain
@@smoocher what actions, they committed no legal crimes, they didn't kill anyone. That makes them innocent.
@@debrafirestone861 well when you bully someone so much eventually they are going to snap,and that's obviously what happened to this kid. The teachers ignored him they are responsible. And the so called victims are responsible for bullying him,I have no sympathy for them their parents should have taught them better.
Standing Ovation Karen...
Does the media not know how to use a microphone? Can't hear the questions so won't continue to watch.
Well done prosecution 👏👏
Outstanding job to the prosecutors!
Which victim called Shannon out for rolling her eyes?
Love both prosecutors on the team.
Blaming others, fake remorse not taking responsibility! Sickening
Way to go
I am at a loss how this does anything to really address these tragedies. I have raised a teenager, so I know how difficult it is. Each state’s legislature should pass the laws if that is what they want and see if we prevent anything at all or just make $ for lawyers and platform for politicians.
The problem here is the availability of guns in the us. So glad I don't live there and won't go there.
Tools are not the problem, society is the problem, schools are the problem, government is the problem,lack of discipline is the problem, bullying by rich little bastards is the problem.
We are glad that you don't live here either.
Excellent outcome.
Hopefully the verdict will be overturned. It's highly unconstitutional. Why go after the parents alone? Surely the school is as much at fault. The school is responsible for the child when he is at school, in loco parentis. They did not suspend him as they should have. And it is not justice sending a mentally disturbed youngster to prison for the rest of his life without parole.
And her hands!! Fluttering around all the time like nervous butterflies😳
Oh no you don't Karen McDonald - locking the Crumblies up for being bad parents is just plain wrong...
This will be overturned
😂😂 if you knew what matters in appellate court you'd know it's not . They can appeal until they're 100 yrs old but it will NOT get turned over . Too many facts and legislation facts, laws etc 💯.
Every defendant has a right to appeal no matter what . Even Ted Bundy appealed. This is done so every defendant feels like they're treated the same etc and to be fair. However , that's where it states.
But atleast when they're in locked down for 23 hours a day they have something to work on like their appeal . 😅
Hopefully we don’t have to see Karen again.
SNOOTY
It's not just expressing remorse. It's what kind of freaks let this happen on their watch and aren't just consumed with guilt and remorse. It would be pouring out of every pore of my body. I would stand up and say I was responsible for all of it...every decision I ever made was clearly wrong and that I deserved whatever sentence was doled out plus some. But they stood up like they were the victims and not at all consumed with guilt. It tells me that the same type of people who would neglect their son in this way would be the same people incapable of feeling guilt and remorse.
YOU NEED NOT TO BE SO RUDE LADY
Is there a way that the taxpayers don’t have to support them? Do they still make license plates in jail? What about holding the school board responsible as well? What about some stronger gun laws?
She loves the camera 🤣
There goes the woman prosecutor again hearing on about how parents don’t need them to tell them how to manage their children. A 15-year-old kid is going to do exactly what they wanna do no matter what the cases. I’ve been through 215-year-olds and it’s a very difficult age And we God owners and yes, we keep our guns locked up but at the end of the day from everything I’ve heard those parents hit the gun and the kid was been addictive and found the gun. The kid also knew when Mr. crumbly Purchased the gun. He had an intent to shoot up the school. Lastly, the judge had no choice but to give the percentage she did to keep her job intact. There were several complaints, filed against the judge throughout the trial that she was not being sympathetic enough towards the victims. So that’s a whole separate issue.
Shannon Smit the attorney forb mrs crumbly. was ridiculous so unprofessional
OTIS weigh-in JenniHeifer 274 James 98 lb weakling
Oh ffs kids have been able to get guns lomg before now and know 100% not to shoot people this. Shit parents yea but they arent responsible if he got in their car and drove people down its HIS ACTIONS. END OF
Given Ethans mental health and all that was exposed proves Karen, Rowe, etc are disgusting. Ethan is still a child. He was 15. Giving him life without parole is barbaric and cruel and unusual punishment. LWOP is the death penalty. Who do they think they are thinking they know Ethan is irredeemable? Such BS. Theres no justice sending a child to die in prison. Karen and Judge Rowe make me sick.
😂😂 send him commissary money if you love him so much. Go visit him etc. Don't just feel.sorry for the angel .
Karen McDonald for Governor!!!
Listening to the parents statements at sentencing both are clueless and so clearly out of touch.. don’t buy guns for mentally ill children ..
These prosecutors have a laundry list of complaints about the crumbles. Some of it is very valid, but some of it is just way off kilter. The woman prosecutor seems very vindictive and malicious in her ways. Then to file motion, not allowing the Crumley a married couple to have contact with each other is completely Wrong it’s a bitter judgment. At the end of the day they got what they wanted and I hope they’re happy.
Watch it again! The Crumbleys were all co defendants so the law is they aren't allowed to speak to one another but the judge is going to check with the Michigan department of corrections to verify that!
Karen McDonald is a publicity hound.
OMG , LADY ARE THEY SUPPOSE TO BOW DOWN. I HEARD THEM SEVERAL TIMES THEY SAID THEY WERE SORRY....................
The parents locked up the jail can’t our jail because if often his parents give gun ban can more very serious can stay life prison can without parents never back to his son. Can evil both not funny.
Your english is unintelligible. Use a translator if you want your comments understood.
Karen , nothing about charging these parents was hard for you. Stop lying.
Right. She loved every minute of this.
As did I. @@LeslieLyn86
Why are Tammy Irwin and Stephanie Jo standing up for enabling a mass shooting?
Karen, stop defending criminally bad parents. If you're afraid you'll be next, that's on YOU.
She did her job an it is about time parents need to parent this is a bigger job then the one you get paid for
LADY, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE A DAMN THING, PATHETIC SENTENCE. DON'T BE RUDE TO PROSECUTORS. THEY SAID THEY WERE SORRY PROSECUTORS
Listening to you, Mark is disappointing
The sentence and convictions will be overturned on appeal. Many many appeal issues. The judge made many mistakes and was incompetent.
You;re just upset because it shows the flaws in your beliefs.
The prosecutor should be disbarred and prosecuted for corruption of justice, malicious prosecution, predatory practices, perjury in violating oath of office which is treason, conspiracy against rights, deprivation of rights under color of law.
😂😂😂surrreeeeee ANY JUDGE WOULD LOVE TO.HAVE THIS ON THEIR RECORD THAT THEY APPEALED animals . Sure youre so right ✅️ omg you should be a judge . You're very intelligent.
They were statements that’s exactly what they were. He did not threaten great bodily harm.
Oh, and then we gotta listen to messy Mark who looks like Moe
Another win for the Karen’s, what is becoming of this legal system.
Guilty people are being forced to suffer the consequences of their mistakes, that's what.
@@Das-uo9bl pretty simple right.
Thankfully, it seems tobe looking up. If you dislike it, it's on YOU.
It's corrupt and treasonous to the core.
@@SafetySpooon classic, feelings of grandeur of an layup case decided before it went to trial.
Great witch hunt 👍
FFS
Don't insult lovely witches by comparing these two disgusting failures to them.
Why do I find her SO offensive?? This case was a $hit show and those two prosecutors led the entire thing. They made a horrible tragedy even worse.
You're out of touch.
Make sure you word it right Karen because we all know that you did this to further your political career 🤷🏻♀️
Most normal people are glad they’re behind bars. Your statement says a lot about you.
@@mick5330 their sentence was too harsh I know, and I have witnessed child molesters get less time and if that doesn’t bother you then we have a huge fucking problem
I agree
FFS you sound ignorant af.
@@Tammy_26IrwinI don't think you'll find anyone that disagrees with you about child molesters not receiving enough punishment but this case bears absolutely relevance to those cases.
Karen McDonald and the judge should be disbarred for corruption of justice, malicious prosecution, predatory practices, state terrorism.
Agreed
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Parents make mistakes. The truth is if they would of made one or two less mistakes of the long list. They might of got less time but the decision was already made to get them. Someone had to pay the pound of flesh. And that is whats wrong with the courts period.
Well said.
Who been waiting for this?🔥🔥🔥
Gotta soak up that media attention every chance you get
Just imagine if black parents would be held to the same standard in the inner cities- the women’s prison system would be overwhelmed and overcrowded.