Michigan school shooter's parents each sentenced to 10-15 years in prison
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of the Oxford High School shooter in Michigan, were each sentenced to 10 to 15 years for their role in the November 2021 shooting. The Crumbleys were convicted of four counts of involuntary manslaughter each earlier this year. CBS News' Nikki Battiste has the latest in the cases, and attorney Donte Mills breaks down the impact of the case.
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Your kid is a walking red flag and instead of taking him to therapy, you buy him a gun???
I'm curious, how was he a red flag?
Talk on then. You articulated that perfectly!!!!!
The drugs the therapist would prescribe would have made it worse.
“But MY child would NEVER do this ..”
@@gunsrtheanswertherapists don’t prescribe drugs.
Can the cowards from uvalde Texas be held accountable too please.
All the police?
@@Cornpop-N-DaBoyz does uvalde Texas mean all police where you're from??
They already tried that and failed.
Don’t you know? The law doesn’t apply to the police.
@@israelsifuentes9178 you didn't specify should I assume the entire city?
Quit being your kid's friends and be their damn parents!
Real talk 🫶🏾🫶🏾✊🏿✊🏿👏🏾
I don’t even think the mom liked her kid.
According to a study by the University of Michigan's Health Lab as many as 1 in 7 children in the United States are currently suffering from an undiagnosed treatable mental health disorder. Should the parents of those kids all be investigated for negligence? Would be very costly. How can one proactively know which kids snap and which don’t?
These people weren’t even their kid’s friend. He asked them for help and they ignored him.
Only deadbeats are friends with their kids.
Let this be the first of many parents held accountable.
I dunno if I fully agree with that. In this case, the parents most definitely needs to be held accountable. But generally speaking, it really depends on the situation. If people keep going after the parents, kids will think they can get away with it, because no one went after them.
Well they can't attack a certain culture in America, otherwise they might be Wacist
Definitely, let’s have an authoritarian police state where police routinely show up, with court warrants, to perform in depth mental health screenings of kids
And when your kid has a mental health episode and one day breaks, I hope you stand trial next Leigh Ann lol. Becareful what you ask for....
@@antireggisser9126That would require that Trump gets elected. No thanks
When you buy your underaged son a gun. You as the parent accept the responsibility of that decision. Good for the courts for holding them accountable.
Update: damn this blew up. For all you second amendment people. Underaged kids have no second amendment rights. It is illegal for a person under the age of 18 to purchase a gun or have one registered. Hence forth if you are underage you have No second Amendment rights. And if your parents buy you a gun and you are underaged. They accepted the responsibility of that and your actions with it.
Minors have constitutional rights, and the exercise of those rights is on them, not anyone else.
This is tyrannical
Wrong. That kid knew right from wrong
@@francoismarion-eu3jqkilling innocent people isn’t a constitutional right.
@@francoismarion-eu3jqnot when half the country has school shootings then children have no rights to own or carry a gun.
You don't allow a child who is not even of age to drink to use or have easy access to firearms. The parents should have received a longer sentence.
Some parents are not parents to their kids , they are just buddies to their kids and never excerize parental responsibility or authority .
These parents were inherently neglectful on so many levels with Ethan , and now paying the price for it .
minimum, life sentence for each child so 4 life sentences
As a gun owner you are responsible for your weapon.
Sounds like common sense to me, mixed with some good critical thinking.
Not if you claim it was stolen. Then it has nothing to do with you. That is a problem.
What happened? The kid took his dad's weapon?
As a gun owner if you continuously ignored your mentally ill child while enabling him then you’re responsible as well
@@cloudstrife4897 so you’re saying if your kids have obesity related illnesses and die from those you should be held accountable? Or actually what you’re really saying is all parents should be held accountable for the actions of their children?
I grew up in rural Maine have always had guns since I was 10 and had a father who gave a damn. My older brother was not allowed to have guns because he wasn't stable and my father knew it. Parents are definitely responsible for their children and their actions.
Same in my family, had 3 brothers and one was a bad seed, so my dad did NOT allow him to have a hunting gun.
I grew up in rural Maine and I was 12 years old when my family taught me how to shoot. My parents owned guns but we were always responsible.
ten too young it is insane no reason for a kiddie to have a gun
The thing with this case is that this attack would had not happened if these parents actually paid attention to their son and all the red flags he literally told them about and the school told them about. That's why they got charged and sentenced.
I don't see how that's illegal. This verdict is depressing and alarming
@@AngryDad. Negligence. They were aware of his mental health issues. Instead of getting I'm help they bought him a gun.
What a great insight that absolutely NOBODY including the judge of this trial ever considered. You're like a crime psychic or something.
You don't know that
If you left your car keys on a table and you had a kid who was depressed, and that kid took your car, crashed, and killed 4 people, would you make the same argument for your imprisonment?
Lack of Humanity Shown by These Parent Is Astounding.
Lack of humanity shown by the judge and prosecutor is astouning
I totally agree
Shhhheeeeeeittttttttt
This is tyrannical government.Get ready all of you.Blue voters brought this upon us
@@antireggisser9126same amount of humanity I show my toilet.
These two have NO BUSINESS raising children
💯💯💯
Had these parents not bought a gun, specifically for their emotionally disturbed kid, they wouldn't be sitting where they are now.
No even mildly attentive parent would buy a gun for an emotionally disturbed kid.
😂😂😂 They weren't sentenced for being "bad parents". That might be the most hyperbolic statement of 2024. They were sentenced for willingly arming their son who stated he was going to shoot up his school. HUGE, HUGE difference.
They got off lightly. The victim's parents got life😢
I hope this is the beginning of accountability.
In the inner city 😂😂😂
Even the thousands and thousands of young black men shooting other young black young men? How will you find their fathers?
I think it might be, hopefully for ALL races.
All the parents and siblings of low income black convicts will be incarcerated!
Precidenct in court has been set now more of these will.happen now ..
Attention gun owners: You enjoy broad rights. In direct proportion to those rights are your responsibilities. You do not get to accept one without the other.
gun owners never had any issues with this.
Strawman
They illegally purchased a gun for a kid with mental illness.
there are NO laws that require locking anything up -- go back under your rock liberal
I agree- I am a gun owner and pro 2A. and I also agree with this. You think most 2A parents won’t, and think your comment is somehow chastising them. But you can get off your high horse as we are celebrating this. This will scare and weed out most irresponsible gun owners.
They weren't convicted for being "bad parents", they were convicted for being "negligent parents". Know the difference.
You’re going out of your way for a semantics battle. You automatically lose. Bad and neglectful parents are synonymous.
Negligent parents are bad parents!
The difference being...?
But they’re guilty of being bad parents not negligent.
@@Darklord1201FTWboth! Omg! They didn’t care
The parents dropped the ball when it came to preventing the school shooting period. They had multiple opportunities to stop it. They provided the gun, ammunition and ignored signs school leaders caught. Total disdain for human life.
So since the school leaders caught it and faied to do nothing by your logic they should be held accountable to correct??
@@trollhunter7764 Good luck with that...
This is a terrible verdict
@@AngryDad. How so? They purchased a gun for their troubled teen.
What parent thinks their kid is going to shoot up a school? Come on
You have to know your child. There were a few situations I (quietly) wouldn't allow my daughter to be in because I knew she'd be up to no good. Even if you exemplify appropriate ethics to a child, they may still have a devious nature & you need to be honest with yourself about that as a parent. Counseling doesn't always make a difference, either.
A mother was murdered by her son in Polk county last week. Dude's an honor student, 4.5 gpa in HS, comes down to visit mom and stabs her to death the second she opens the door. He said he felt like killing her for a few years but didn't have the nerve to. Look up the case and consider whether you can truly know your children.
@@clarkcrossley7579 counseling takes work not only from the child but the parent as well.
@@noobandfriends2420 Lol, they've got no clue. Having kids really is a wild card.
I got a call from the police department about my 16-year-old daughter being in an apartment where alcohol was being served! But when I came to pick her up the cops assured me she had not had a drink or a drug! It's all about how they are raised, we had no guns in the house!!
I love how what you day it is perfectly reasonable and agreeable. It leaves no wiggle room for debate.... yet others who replied are trying to do so. Incredible.
Mr. Mills. It is not SIMPLY being bad parents. And parents “not taking enough action “ is NOT the same as supplying your child with the means and basically the permission to commit this crime. Not to mention their total complacency when the concerns were brought to their attention. You are minimizing the real issues in this particular case to simply bad parenting. No. This shouldn’t be the precedence for every crime committed by someone’s children. But it should certainly act as an eye opener to some parents that it is possible to be held as your brother’s keeper, or child’s as the case may be.
We had a neighbors 8 year old shoot his little 3 year old brother with a shot gun , the 8 year old got institutionalized and the parents got off scot free.. It was the parents at fault for the death of their son for having the shot gun loaded and out for children to get their hands on
Well thats a different situation, isnt it?
@@gunsrtheanswer , Yes & No
@@gunsrtheanswerthank you Captain Obvious! 🫡
Agreed…sounds like the parents should have had some accountability. Those poor children…both of them. 😢
@@gunsrtheanswertotally
We need more accountability like this! Very proud of the Michigan court system in holding these parents accountable for their poor choices.
It’s all political gamesmanship, and you damn well know it.
The usual criminals.
If parents can be held accountable for property damage done by their kids, they should be held accountable for major crimes also. Hope this catches on in other courts.
They shouldn't be held accountable for eitger
@@AngryDad. You're supposed to raise your children not turn them into killers by providing a weapon for them to use, especially if the child exhibits mental health issues.
@@AngryDad. You lose on this one....just like the parents.
Absolutely!
@@sandywaters1153 Wasn't Ethan Crumbley charged as an adult and sentenced as an adult? How does this make sense??
Normally I wouldn’t place blame on unknowing parents. But this case was 100% different. The kid begged for help and the parents outright refused and laughed at him. The kid cried out for help multiple times and the parents ultimately ignored and then fueled his rage and armed their son in the process knowing full well the demons he was dealing with. After seeing everything that was made public in this case I think the parents pushed their son to do this bc they wanted the publicity. They didn’t care how they go lt. What he did is inexcusable. But I do feel sorry for the kid that his parents neglected him to this point
Thank you.That reporter is speaking some sense about coming after parents.That is tyrannical rule.The brown shirts are next
There is no such thing as unknowning parent believe that, even Bundy's mom knew what he was all about
More than fair.
Those 2 "parents" stood down and allowed their own flesh and blood to collect weapons and ammo right inside their own residence. AND they knew the kid was crazy and messed up. Tragedy unfolded (ALL 💯% PREVENTABLE)
They need to do some Time.
SHEESH.
There's a lot more parents that should be held accountable 😮
And, there are many more parents who don't know how to form a correct English sentence.
What about all the negligent black parents
Yeah. Refusing your teen mental healthcare is definitely at the top.
This might have just opened Pandora's box for parents getting long prison sentences when their kids do bad things. It's probably all part of the plan to depopulate the planet of humans.
like riddenhouse's parents
Ok but this was different. The school brought this to their attention
Also the parents gave the kid a gun even though people were telling them their son was having psychological difficulties
So no blame on the school board allowing him to stay in class
That's odd, bc how many "scholars" have priors, been released back out into the public and done similar things....
@@YuckFouTube2 ohh please do tell!! how many? ....yea.. you DONT kno sht
The school did, but I also believe the school holds some liability because they put him back in the classroom and failed to check his bag. When I was in school, if the school wants to remove a student from the premises, they cannot stay. If the parents wont pick them up, the police will. And I understand if laws are different now, but at least put him in a room away from other students and search his belongings!
As they should! There were SEVERAL signs and these so-called parents didn't give AF. Because of their negligence, multiple innocent people lost their lives.
There were several signs discovered AFTER THE FACT.
The sign was “disturbing drawings” and “being moody” would playing “disturbing video games” and “dressing like a goth” also be red flags?
@respawnedrose8778 incorrect. The signs were there BEFORE the massacre. Did you not watch the trial or read the articles?
@@tiheshakp So you should be able to give me an example right?
These people are crazy this is what happens when Parents look the other way
In this case, the parents need to be held accountable for their gross and negligent behavior towards their own child, who desperately needed help and reached out for help. Ethan is responsible for what he did that day, but his parents are responsible for what they didn't do leading up to that day, especially since they bought him a weapon knowing his mental state.
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So a child crashes the parents car, it's the parents fault because they allowed the child to use it ?
Exactly, now you're starting to get it.
I agree PARENTS DEFINATELY NEED TO BE TOTALLY HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS IF THEIR CHILDREN!!!
That is NOT what they were charged with. And their son was tried as an adult. Do you want to be held accountable for the behavior of your adult children??
Yeah what the son did was totally evil but if these parents were rich would they be going to prison for 10 to 15 years.
You’re focused on the completely wrong thing
Yes
@@BlaztoizeThere’s nothing wrong with acknowledging the double standards that people in poverty face versus people with money. This country is corrupt to its core
wrong
Of course they would not. Your outcome in the judicial system depends on your net worth in most cases
They seem shocked that their self-serving, non-apology statements did not convince the judge to give them light sentences.
You think their lawyers would be smart enough to tell them once you're convicted the worst thing you can do is to keep whining that you didn't do anything wrong. It means you need MORE time in prison to correct your thinking. Not that I want them to catch a break by all means lock them up. It's just maddening how stupid they continue to be.
Be responsible with your firearms folks!
Agreed but this is a biased and extreme decision. Would of been easier in Turkey or N Korea!
@@thefamily512Please explain.
No one will forget this sad case and innocent lives lost.
The school should have been found negligent for sending the kid back to class instead of calling law enforcement.
That, as well. We NEED to rethink responsibility in child-rearing in this country, not just gun issues.
Parents were Trump followers. The kid said he hoped the shooting would get Biden impeached.
STOP BLAMING THE SCHOOL. OTS NOT THEIR JOB TO RAISE CHILDREN.
Don't forget the school bus driver 🙄
@@juliekswanson no, the school is NOT the parent. BUT the school is responsible for applying logic and the power of observation in the process of protecting the children UNDER THEIR PROTECTION AND SUPERVISION while in school.
Holding People Accountable is the first step towards solving this crisis. As Parents Educating our Children is the only Solution to Confront Violence.
Hardly
Now we must arrest the car manufacturers
You think if a kid is crazy enough to go through with something evil like this he’s gonna sit and think hmm wait a min I don’t wanna get my parents in trouble I better not lol
@@LRG2019 the school didn't give him a gun, the parents did
Heard something at the the beginning of this case after it broke out that school was being sued from these parents of these victims too. Cause that school and school board didn't suspend that kid forever from past trouble he was in.
They should've gotten more than that or life in prison, too soft on a sentence for these parents, they knew, they gave him weapons, they didn't care. This is not justice! Keep them in prison! Our justice system needs to quit being soft!
My question is are they going to do the full 15? If they get parole they'll be out earlier. But their son is going away for a long time.
They'll probably serve 6-7 years.
By Michigan law they must serve the minimum of 10 years and may be denied parole to the full 15 years should they misbehave in prison.
@@SheilaLS Thank you for that information.👍👍
Minimum is 10 but they got credit for the 2 years they have been in jail so 8 is the soonest they can get out. All I know is I wouldn't want to be a menopausal middle aged fat woman in prison until you're 52.
Good. These parents are horrible people. I feel sorry for the boy to an extent. After all, he was raised by these two.
agree 💯 sentence should had been 25 + yrs. Justice was not served today.
They make me sick
They made you eat your own cooking?
@@disastermaster1413
Recycling kumrade hush orcboi
@@disastermaster1413 That is a sophomoric reply...
Finally. Willful ignorance costs lives. These two deserve every minute behind bars. This situation is wild.
They show no remorse!
Same with people that support abortion.
Showing “no remorse” (however horrible) is not a criminal offense, as in, it’s not against the law. The law is not emotional. Are all parents going to start going to prison when their children, young or old, commit heinous acts? It’s more than implied that if your child/children commit these types of crimes you are now seen as responsible and punished for not somehow stopping them before hand. What parent has an eye on their kids 100% of the time? What parents are the only influencers in a child’s life? What children aren’t on the internet guided by a million other “influencers” in the world? Where will this precedence setting case end? Maybe it’s just gun owners who have children that commit these crimes who will end up in prison.
I understand being angry at the parents of these very disturbed juveniles and they should be held accountable in some way but be careful what you wish for. God forbid you get a phone call one day about what your child did without your knowledge or permission to the irreconcilable detriment of the lives of others.
@@Lou-Lou8343thank god you have no authority in the matter. thank god you’re not a judge 😮💨
@@fairyboy444he would make an objectively better judge than you
@@Lou-Lou8343You must not of followed this case. What you’re saying doesn’t apply here. These parents had plenty of chances to prevent this and did nothing.
Finally, parents held accountable for the actions of their minor child, the shooter.
Maybe other parents who have guns in their home will learn from this and think twice
It's not about the kid stealing the gun, it's about them providing a gun and refusing repeatedly to get the kid mental help
@antireggisser9126 you clearly have no clue what a banana republic is.
@@ausername2524 yes I do buddy
@@kelleygreengrass by that logic a third of parents should be in jail today for risking a hypothetical mass shooting by not screening their kids for mental health issues. It’s ridiculous. According to a study by the University of Michigan's Health Lab as many as 1 in 7 children in the United States are currently suffering from an undiagnosed treatable mental health disorder.
@@kelleygreengrass According to a study by the University of Michigan's Health Lab as many as 1 in 7 children in the United States are currently suffering from an undiagnosed treatable mental health disorder. All those parents should go to jail? How do they know what their kids are up to?
I say this as a person who grew up in the military and gun culture. My father taught me to shoot when I was 5, and gave me my first gun, a .22 revolver, when I was 12.
Parents are legally responsible for the actions of their children. That's a real thing, and this decision reinforces that.
If other gun advocate parents are scared by this decision, they should be. Be a responsible parent. It's really easy: don't give your unbalanced teen a gun; keep your weapons under lock and key; and when professionals at the school tell you they are concerned, PAY ATTENTION.
Look I’m for my 2nd amendment rights. But to be a responsible firearm owner you must protect your child especially if there are clear signs of mental or problematic behaviors. You don’t gift your child any kind of weapons.
I think the judge was lenient on them. Sentences should have been far more.
Finally. Accountability!
When will the ⚫️ mothers who knew their sons were in gangs get in trouble too?
Not for everyone...
Won’t bring the kids back
Just for US Citizens, not the illegals lol
When will parents in the hood get locked up
I raised two children, never have they wanted one nor asked me to buy them. Parents please don't purchase guns for kids. What is happening???
You Canadian?
I was always under the impression that that you were responsible for anything your child did until he or she was considered an Adult . That is why we’re are parents and have sign for stuff because we have authority ove4 our children .and when you don’t have control of your child or discipline your child you shou be held responsible and go to jail or pay fines or any damage your child does .
I’m just here for the “we just need better parenting” folks who all the sudden don’t want accountability for said parents 😂
Let’s hope this is a wake up call to parents everywhere. Start parenting. If you decide to have children take care of them
People sounding the alarm to other parents either didn’t follow the case or are incapable of understanding the details. Don’t make a broad statement while dismissing crucial facts from the case.
Thank God for this judge! Let this be a lesson to every American parent! Parenting is a solemn duty! You have a responsibility to your child and to the society at large. You are responsible for how you raise and train your children until they become adults or leave your home and care, whichever comes first!
I wonder if trump pardons them if he gets elected…
Even the young black kids shooting eachother on the street corners?
@@publicuser2534Sounds like you need another Boooosta 💉 💉💉💉
@TheStickinator especially, what? You thought race has anything to do with it? I believe all parents are responsible for their kids! Not the white ones, the black ones or the yellow ones, all!
School administrators had this kid with his backpack, WITH THE GUN IN THE BACKPACK, in their office, but failed to search it. The school administrators have some responsibility too. Parents definitely need to secure weapons. ...and why was a kid with problems choosing his gun and the parents buying that gun for him? A lot went wrong here.
His parents knew he may have the gun but did not remove him from the school; the search of his back pack would only occur if they believed he had a weapon! Something parents knew about.
It was very telling that they each said they felt bad about what happened so they thought they shouldn't have to go to jail. But they each never took any responsibility and never said they even messed up at all.
So in the past we had “authorities” aware of people with mental issues or reports of behavior such as this prior to an actual shooting. Are they liable as well ?
Did they buy a gun for the kid?
Did they provide the kid the gun? Or did the parents? Who failed to keep the gun secure from a kid that was hallucinating? The parents, maybe? Theres your answer.
The only people upset about this outcome are people who are bad parents, too. They had every opportunity to help their own kid, and they chose not to...so here are the consequences.
not true in the slightest...
You’re so right on this point!!
It's astounding the amount of parents these days refusing to take any responsibility of their childs actions. What happened to being a parent?
kid was begging for help
@@DeezNuggz it's more true than false.
Finally; parents getting accountability
When are pedos gonna get accountability?
Judges should get accountability for their lenient sentences as well
They should have accountability if someone regrets hormone replacement therapy.
13/52 parents.next?
@@wilsontexasGood thing that will never happen since hormone therapy can be reversed. And that bottom surgeries only happen to teens of the age of consent. Since doctors don’t preform bottom surgeries on kids. It’s almost like shooting people has nothing to do with hormone therapy. Wow weird how that works.
All they had to do was take him to the ER for HI and he would’ve been admitted. Saving those unfortunate souls that encountered him when he emerged from that bathroom.
What was the testimony of the morning meeting with the principal before the shooting?
I’m glad they parents actually got charged and sent but I think they’re sent should’ve been a lot longer, but the judge says it doesn’t take into account a lot of things
The fact that they had guns out in their house makes them neglectful parents that is ignorant beyond belief
Only 10-15 years?
I'm just here to laugh at the bigots whining. 😂😂😂😂
I guess a whole lot of parents need to go to jail , why don’t the courts do this in Chicago , Detroit , Memphis , New York, New Orleans …..
My thoughts exactly. But that will never happen
There's no proof that the parents are complicit in their child's actions in alot of those cases OR those cases are usually adults or charged as adults. These parents are in jail because THEY have empirical evidence that the parents deliberately ignored warning and may have even indirectly participated by providing the weapon. But by all means continue to play the victim.
Cause those are POC states and cities
Also how can they charge parents when they will only know the mother?
@@matthewmoore7447 Blacks and browns. The OP is playing the victim. Somehow this is race issue and not an accountability issue. I'm going to put you up on game.
Democrat city is code for
Predominantly black or brown" which by the way NONE of the cities the op named actually are except for maybe Detroit
Wow! You want guns in your house make sure you are responsible. Biy those are long sentences.
Well, it will give them plenty of time to think about their mistakes, and they'll be out of prison in half that time because of parole and good behavior.
The kids that were killed and harmed were given a longer sentence.
@@jessiejoseph1093 I disagree, that’s a very revenge-focused American way to look at it
They bought a gun for their kid with mental health issues
@@antireggisser9126
Death is not longer?
I understand the crown thinks little of victims but that is a rude remark.
Misreporting, the counselor didn't say we think you should take him home, he said if he wants to stay he can stay in school. IMO the school is just as responsible and should be prosecuted.
ah yes the school bought him the gun as well right?
You seem to be the only other person with the sense to know the problem is so much bigger than the parents.
Was looking for this comment, fully agree
The school had no knowledge of Ethan’s access to a handgun.
That’s not their job. Their job is to teach.
The parent’s job was to care, listen and to look out for Ethan.
They failed miserably in every aspect and other children are dead due to their negligence.
The school was trying to help Ethan - they saw the red flags and understood he needed help. The parents not only made no attempt to help their child, they obstructed the school from putting into effect any plan to help their kid. They withheld essential info from the school. You can argue that the school should have done more, but the thinking was that Ethan was suicidal and his parents did not care. When the parents are actively obstructing the path to help, it complicates the situation for the school to effectively respond.
Good- to not notice your child was disturbed, buying him a firearm and not only that but to leave the firearm within his reach is ridiculous. If the kid had just stolen the gun, then maybe… but there were plenty of signs.
Part of that sentence should include some SERIOUS mental health counseling. YOU failed your kid. And no success can compensate for failure in the home. Your kid is behind bars for life…and THAT IS YOUR FAULT.
This entire trial was exemplary. The sentence was appropriate for both the parents and the child. This was as close to justice as we are able to accomplish with our system.
Definitely a dysfunctional family, but i question if this is actually justice. The schools trained counselors and mental health experts said they did not believe Ethan was a danger to himself or others before the shooting, yet the uneducated parents were expected too. Also securing the gun is a weird angle considering there is not a state law in effect here nor any federal law requiring guns and ammunition be secured in a locked location.
A locked up weapon is useless in a emergency situation. When my kids were little I thought I was better off without one. But that was a personal decision.
Pretty hard for the school to determine if a kid is a danger to himself when the parents didn’t tell ANYONE about the gun they literally just bought him come on man
@@Sam-hb7gu With all due respect, that's a ridiculous stance to take. Evaluating someone's mental health stability has nothing to do with thier immediate access to weapons in thier parents room. Do you think when someone gets psych evald they ask how many guns or knives or fireplace pokers they have access to BEFORE they're evaluated to be a danger to themselves or others? Come on man.
Theres the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. People should not only obey the letter of the law, but to use common sense. To buy and then leave an unsecured gun within reach of a unstable kid who is hallucinating about demons is the height of foolishness. Ethan was self medicating with alcohol because his parents refused to get him checked out.
Now how many families are shattered because of these two selfish people? Not only are those 4 children lost, but any children they may have had as well. How much counseling will all of Ethans fellow students and teachers need? How many marriages will end because of the violence that was unleashed because of these two selfish idiots?
Everybody needs to be accountable for their kids actions.
I don't care who you are or how good you think you are as a parent. They will make their own choices, and you just have to pray you did what you could to keep them on the right path. Sometimes what they choose to do is out of your own hands.
Good luck with that, you can't possibly monitor a child 24/7
Judges should be accountable for their lenient sentences
so are tyrone's and Jamal's parents going to be thrown in prison now, too?
Do u have kids
If these parent's can get 10+ years then definitely the Uvalde police will either get life or the death sentences.
This was a slam dunk case. Future situations holding parents accountable will have far more gray areas.
I think this is what people are missing, it will be once in a blue moon when a parent gets charged with anything.
This goes for every state and every crime. If parents did their job kids wouldn't be out doing crazy stuff like they are today. It's way out of hand. I understand it has to be investigated and also case by case but if the parents are neglecting their kids, they need to pay.
So true..kids do crime at 6 to shoot his teacher..and others comic crimes and get sent home no punishment..so unfair to good parents when their child is killed by them that are not punished.
I didn't see the whole trial, but I cannot understand why or how the dad came to a decision to get his son a gun, especially when his son had many problems! No matter what the dad believed about gun ownership, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Is this precedent going to impact the parents in gangland?
Exactly
No, most of the people in gangland don't get prosecuted
Doubtful....that would be racist.
No, those parents actually need to be around to be neglectful (goteem). The problem here is that this kid gave sign after sign that he was a monster and his parents (who were actively in his life) did nothing.
@@jrtruscott33 and dont have a glue who there dad is
I told my kids growing up, I am not your friend. I am your parent and will be that way to keep you safe.
Sentence too short. RIP victims. I pray for continued comfort for the victim families.
Hella short 50years +
What saddens and frustrates me is these parents bore one of life's greatest responsibilities. They failed grievously and deserve to be held accountable. More parents need to either understand their children or at least their responsibility as a parent.
I’m all for parent accountability, but does this mean ALL parents should be held accountable for their children’s misdeeds? If so prosecutors need to get in gear and start filing cases!
Obviously no. Did you know anything about this case before you started typing?
Murdering people is not the same as a "misdeed" in fact or in law.
"Misdeeds" like he stole a fkn pencil or something
That's racist
Did you get the part where they bought theiir minor kid a gun?
They were not just “bad parents”. They were negligent parents. Recklessly negligent. Criminally negligent. I agree with the Judge, and I agree with her ruling. Proper sentence(s).
They received additional time not for being “bad parents” because of their total lack of empathy & accountability to this day! Claiming THEY are the victims for their negligence.
They eating better in jail apparently.
Peanut butter sandwich and zaybos lol
That's how you look when you stop drinking heavily. Jennifer would go out to the bar in lake orion almost every night
No. Peanut butter sandwich, no jelly. Balogna sandwich. Oatmeal. And tiny packets of lemon flavored drink. It’s not 3 hots and cot like everyone thinks.
She certainly is.
Being a parent is responsibility. It is sad it has to be taught in court.
I wonder if you’d say that to all of the single black mothers raising gang members
@@doubleomega52381most of us would, especially if they had a hand in their kid joining a gang.
It's the school going to be held accountable as well for what they did?
No, the DA gave school staff immunity from prosecution in exchange for their testimony against the parents.
@@craigfinnegan8534this country is full of kids under 18 doing crimes ..and not punished..should all parents go to jail for them 😊
@@craigfinnegan8534 I did not hear about that. Hmm... Well. Okay then, I understand
They didn't buy him the gun
@@user-uh6yr4te2i I didn't say they did lol
Its ABOUT DAM TIME!!! Being a Gun Owner mean you have a Reasonability to Keep it our of their Children's Hands. Both the Parents Need Mental Help and should have Never been allowed to even have kids in the First Place!!!
You need a license to drive but not to procreate.
So, a person who can't handle basic spelling and grammar is the new arbiter of who is allowed to have kids?
@@militantnormal428 are you trying to Insult me? what are ya 8 years Old?? LMFAO ty I needed a good Laugh!!!
Finally a judge worth a damn!!!!!!!!!!!
The people who want these people locked in prison for life are same people who would be bitching about their taxes being raised to build new prisons!
I hope gun holders parents start taking note or they may be held accountable.
This is tyrannical
@@ThePatrioticTurtle No the taxes they force on us are Tyrannical, this is called accountability.
These are people either no remorse at all or
What?
I sincerely hope english is a second language for you
Or…. ???🤷♂️???
Why should they have remorse. A lot of their problems are solved. They don't have to worry about a job.They don't have to worry about their son or there rent for at least 10 years.They get to learn a new job skill. Apparently they're eating better.
@@markusshelby3436 Good point. I bet their tune would change if they were facing the threat of being forcibly expatriated to North Korea to go to work for Kim Jong Whatshisname.
A mum heard there was a shooting and knew immediately to ring her son and say " don't do it Nathan" she deserves jail, they knew he needed help, not a gun.
Wow . They actually talking to the parents as if they actually committed their child crime . Wow
The parents dont miss signs. The over look the signs. You know your child
Anouther example of why the family unit and mom staying at home while dad works is critical. Nobody can do that anymore everybodys broke
"Our son is troubled and unhappy. Let's bond with him by giving him a gun LOL."
No Guns = no deaths, no injuries, no jailed parents nor son, no trial, no having parents relive this horror day in day out. Choose wisely. Be responsible period. Thankyou Judge. You may stop this crazy death culture we have to endure here in this supposed great country.
No guns, worked real well for the jews in 1940s Europe.
Maybe we could start by showing kids they are valuable by not killing other babies in the womb!
Parents need to start stepping up ! Be a parent !
I wonder if the courts went back and evaluated the parents of all under age kids who shot and murdered someone if some of them would also be held accountable!? Why do parents buy their kids hand guns? Why do parents leave their firearms and ammunition unlocked and easily found? Why Why Why?