Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme | Folie à Deux (Shared Psychotic Disorder)
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- This video answers the questions: Can I discuss the mental health and personality factors that may be at work in the case of Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme?
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How do we code that for billing? 😊
Yes! I concur and have witnessed a variety of entertaining symptoms in Dr. Grande since I began observing him.
@@caroled3943 😂 Yes, only hypothesizing about what might be happening in a situation like this.
I concur!
@Janet Doe Me too! 🤣
The 1994 movie "Heavenly Creatures" starring Kate Winslet as Juliet Hulme, is based on this case.
Well made.
Good movie! I saw it that year and was glad later when it's director, Peter Jackson, was chosen to direct "The Lord of the Rings."
I was just about to comment this
@@toweypat ohhh me too, it was a favorite movie of mine and my best friend seen several times, but we were quite young and that was a long ass time ago... unbeknownst to me that was what I was clicking on with this dr grande vid 😁🤘. such a great flick for us "alternateens" of the day...
I've not seen this movie, was it pretty close to what really happened?
Dr. Grande: Pick between murder and surprise. We're not doing both.
Me: But... isn't murder always a surprise?
Unless you’re hanging with the wrong [right?] crowd.
Murder probably is a surprise to the person being murdered.
To me it's the strong vrs the weak Pauline was a psychopath but I am not really diagnosing anyon, just a good guess. I believe sometimes a very weak person can be talked into anything. I've seen some friends who are the defacto leader and they get others into major illegal situations. Hope Pauline was taking her medication for TB but that was a long time ago. So maybe no medication. Who knows?. Thank-you for a very intelligent view of this dilemma. I am exhausted just thinking how this complicated case😁❤️🇨🇦. Here is a treat, hope no allergies 🧁🧁🧁🧁🧁. Enough for your whole family?
I got my “I’m not diagnosing anyone” Merch today and I’m pumped!
Yay!!! 🙌 I plan on getting myself the tote bag!! What did you get?
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Maybe it can be on your Christmas wish list? ❤ and yes! I really like that design, too
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Story Time: I believe I actually experience Folie a Deux, and I'm glad to actually have a name for it.
Back when I was a teenager/college student, I got pulled into a relationship with a young man who had some serious pathological issues (compulsive lying, charismatic/charming when he wanted to be, extremely aggressive on the turn of a dime, lack of forethought/planning, etc).
I got pulled into his world where I started to take on character personalities, and believed he (and I, by extension) was 'special'. He used it a lot to manipulate me into staying with him and fortunately it didn't lead to anyone getting hurt but my self (and my family for worrying about me), but I've had such a hard time explaining to others what that 'state' was. It was like I lost who I was, I was that 'character'. And even if some part of me knew back then this probably wasn't true, I wanted to believe it so bad-- partly for myself to feel better, partly to make him happy.
It's what I'd describe as a cult like mentality for two. It's really easy to lose your sense of self when you get pulled into that world... thankfully, I'm a lot mentally stronger than I was at that time and can recognize that behaviour better now.
Dr. Grande, I'd be interested in your take on 'otherkin' or 'otakukin'-- they're people who believe they're either incarnations of other races/beings, from elves, unicorns and even the Na'vi from Avatar-- or people who believe they're soul bonded' to fictional characters, often based on japanese media like video games or anime. They often worry me because those communities remind me a lot of my own situation as a teen, so I'd love other person's take on it.
Thanks for reading.
LucineBlue I also will never read another book by Anne Perry. In the movie, I hated the bratty indulgent Juliet character. As for your situation, I really think your experience is much more prevalent than one knows. How many times I remember getting swept into a whirlwind with a best friend. I finally realized I didn’t need her for my worth and although I lost my “status” I know now that I had made the right decision. These people make you feel like living on the edge with them is wonderful until something bad happens. When something awful happens, they are swept up by their influential and or wealthy family. I was an outcast for a while but I managed to not be part of her experience. She had gone on and recruited a new victim so I was blessed enough to sit back and read it in the newspaper.
I hope you are fine now, good luck
I’m not sure what you experienced was folie a deux, it sounds more like brainwashing/manipulation
@@nachtegaelw5389 true, she was young and in love with this manipulative man...
"Diary writing for future felons!" LOL!
HA!! I just fell out laughing at that too 😂
Diary Writing For Future Felons For Dummies
Even after the release of "Heavenly Creatures", the Parker Hulme case isn't anywhere near as well known as it should be, IMHO. So glad you addressed this, Doc.
I was always surprised that no one ever brought up folie à deux when looking at Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. I knew them for years and would have told you they were perfect candidates for that discussion.
Would the Slenderman case count as Folie Adeux?
@@JasonSmith-se1jg Yes: Dr. Grande actually did a video about it in that context.
True, and the Hart wives who drive off a cliff and killed their entire family 😔
You knew them. We're you a classmate. Sorry for being so direct I don't mean to be insensitive but your comment is fascinating please explain more
@@tommalnati1798 they explained plenty with their actions, my friend... Though I still hold that DeAngelis and his administration got off light.
If homicidal surprise parties ever catch on, remember you heard it here first 😂
Look up Bruce Pardo. Killed his family dressed up as Santa
@@acctadmin4073 I guess you wouldn't want to get on Bruce's "naughty list."
Think that's a party I'm gonna skip!🤣🤣🤣
Red wedding
@@acctadmin4073 My word. That’s horrifying.
I had read several of “Anne Perry’s” books before I knew about this case. After that, I couldn’t read her books anymore. I have seen documentaries on this case, and it is fascinating from a psychological perspective, and horrific. It amazes me that they were only sentenced to 5 years...perhaps because they were juveniles. The background of this case is fascinating and I think the potential move to South Africa, as well as the challenges Pauline had with her mother/family precipitated the events...as well as the really disturbing relationship the two had. As you said so well, Dr.Grande, it is impossible to tell this many years later what exactly was going on with them mental health wise (I don’t care if their relationship was sexual or not, btw) but, from my knowledge of the case...both came from unhealthy homes, developed an unhealthy, but needed for them at the the time, relationship, and it ended in tragedy. Sad case, thank you for your analysis of this case, Dr. Grande.
I also read a few of Anne Perry's books many years ago and looked forward to continue reading more.. Then I found out about the murder. That was it. I just couldn't pick up another one of her novels.
I’ve seen an interview with Anne Perry (Juliet) after she’d been unmasked and a already a HUGELY successful author. She writes CRIME novels, which I think is disturbing. In the interview she actually came off as arrogant and unrepentant, acting almost as if it wasn’t her who had done it. She also spoke dismissively of her victim, Honorah Rieper. It was incredibly repulsive.
She is a sociopath, so...
I am not an apologist for Perry, but I think she comes across as arrogant as a mask to her pain and vulnerability. She has developed a persona that is cool and self-centered as a defense mechanism. It is as if to say, “You can’t get to close to me or find out more about me. Keep your distance.” This persona is one she has adopted is really part of what she has had to do to protect herself. It is ingrained in her.
A bio of Perry by Joanne Drayton portrays her as warm, caring, gracious and forgiving to her inner circle of friends and colleagues. She is defensive in interviews because she has been pilloried by the press at the time of the crime and after she was unmasked.
@@jkgent4087 She's probably a psychopath. There's no way to know but it makes the most sense.
No matter how stressed out I am by the end of the day, Dr Grande's uploads are always the antidote ❤️
This is such an interesting case. I can’t believe Anne Perry is just living her life like nothing!
oliviatree I mean, she famous, writing books, etc.
oliviatree she seems to play it off like “well Pauline wanted to do it.”
oliviatree she did. You should watch Stephanie Harlow’s videos on the case. I obviously don’t know what she feels, but writing murder mysteries after murdering someone seems a little flippant.
oliviatree really? I thought she was very credible.
Rachel Lindahl Give it to a psychoanalyst and hear she sublimed her homicidal urges to crime fiction.
Sharing is usually a good thing, but in this case, not so much.
Stephanie Harlowe has an indepth video series here on YT on this case that I would highly recommend if you want to know more. Juliet's family was the stereotypical wealthy but cold British family (her father worked on the Manhatten project). They quickly fell out of favour w ppl in Christchurch. Pauline's family worked hard to make ends meet and Pauline's disdain for them and idealisation of the Hulmes (encouraged by them) also played a role.
"Pick between murder and surprise. We're not doing both." - that one almost had my coffee all over the table 🤣 🤣
"Polite Homicide" might be a Canadian thing. I'm sorry.
Good point. I'll give you an "eh."
Nonono - I'M sorry!
@@diane9247 But I insist I'm sorry
sorry pronounce SORE-ey
Sound aboot right😏
No fruit and no library.... sheer torture.
;-)
Fruit would be the last thing on my mind if I was in prison. (No offense to fruit.) lol
Video: "Hello, this is Dr. Grande."
My brain: time to relaaaaaax.
His shirt is gonna make me have a seizure tho
Lol!
@@StachMan 🤨
Yesss. He naturally has that ASMR-type voice.
My thoughts. Exactly. 🤓
Several of Anne Perry’s books are about a detective named Monk in Victorian England. Monk develops amnesia and has to discover who he is, while simultaneously hiding the memory loss from everyone else. The interesting part is that Monk doesn’t like the man he finds - who was arrogant, cruel, and universally disliked. He struggles with trying to be a better man, while no one else sees that he’s changed. I’ve always wondered how much of that character’s inner life comes from her own journey.
Or it's a back to front version of her own excuse. When did she ever have amnesia? What does she care about who she used to be?
@@therespectedlex9794 writers get their material from their own experiences but noone is blatantly saying Anne Perry had amnesia
@@ghost_badger7537 Refresh my amnesiac memory. Maybe I'm not blatantly saying that either. I'm not autistically literal.
@@therespectedlex9794 OK dude
auntielaura@5, There is a very good book,
The Search for Anne Perry, By Joanne Drayton. The author had complete open access to Perry and her friends/coworkers. She summarizes each book, and shows the extent that Perry draws on her own experience for the book. She also takes you through Pauline and Juliet’s relationship and the crime. I found it an even-handed account of Perry’s life and the integration of her
“two” lives that came after she was “outed” by a reporter. She was publicly identified as Juliet at the time of the release of
Heavenly Creatures. Peter
Jackson, (think Lord of the Rings) developed and directed the movie. Jackson did not intend to reveal Perry’s identity and tried to stop it. Obviously, he failed.
Drayton does not sensationalize or judge the material. In my opinion. This book is more even-handed than Peter Graham’s.
The "Waiting for Dr. Grande" Fan Club seems to be growing.
Thank you for explaining Folie à Deux more thoroughly than I've ever seen/heard.
I was literally waiting for Grande.
Thankfully he actually arrives.
I wonder if his favourite size at Starbucks is a grande? ⭐☕
Thank you Dr Grande..
Folie à deux is a fascinating topic. Your deadpan humour is an added delight. 😊
"When the police arrived, they noted that the injuries were inconsistent with a fall."
Pauline and Juliet considered themselves geniuses. 🙄
Melanie Linskey and Kate Winslet were well cast! 😮 They looked a lot like those girls in the movie. Uncanny.
The movie, _Heavenly Creatures_ was both magical (their world) and then disturbing. I'm glad you did this case analysis, Doctor Grande. I'd forgotten about these girls/women. Thank you! 👍🌹
I believe she wrote the book "Diary Writing For Felons" subtitle "How to Get Convicted For Sure"
Can you please do some positive characters? People who have contributed to the world in a good way and the characteristics they have that make them different? (It can be anything from Stephen Hawking to Martin Luther King) The world is such a shitty place rn it would be nice to be reminded that good/exceptional people exist.
That would be great 🧡
Boooooo
The GREAT Stephen Hawking for sure
Put up a statue to one of them and someone else will tear it down. We live in a world where no imperfection is tolerated.
I was going to suggest Alan Turing but that's not exactly a happy end to his story
I suddenly have the urge to listen to Mario Lanza, the world's greatest tenor!
softbatch! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Well, the greatest tenor in the world was Jussi Björling. No such voice heard ever since.🙂 But I understand why you suddenly have the urge to listen to Mario Lanza😉
“Homicidal surprise parties” haha 😆 I seriously almost choked on my dinner! Always love your sarcasm and humor, Dr. Grande - but from now on...
WARNING:
NO food or drink while watching Dr. G videos! It might prove fatal! 😂
"There's no such thing as polite homicide" -- I dunno, Dr. Grande, your dry wit slays me an awful lot... :P
Possibly consensual mercy killing. Paging Dr. Kuvorkian...
Am I the only one who refreshes Dr Todd Grande CZcams channel waiting for the next video cause they are too good
It’s just the high openness to experience in you.
@@zeegeeecs you're damn right 😂
Thank you, doctor, for introducing us to this case. Impressed by the length of your literature list. I didn't know anything prior to your video about this case, but it interests me, and I'm glad to also have found a book written by Graham about these girls. Sometimes I like deepening my knowledge about specific cases that you present here and I like biographies in general, wether these are written about famous people, true crime cases or autobiographical ones written by people with mental disorders. So thank you again and I wish you a great day. 💚 🌞🍂🍁
Not a day goes by without watching Dr Grande's videos. Thank you Dr Grande for your excellent analysis
Can you do more on Folie à deux cases please. It's a fascinating insight into how people alone are ok but when coupled with another they become unstable.
Dr. G! "No fruit and no library."...Bless her heart. Juliet getting to go on and become a prolific writer after no fruit and no library for seven years is "such" an accomplishment. I wonder how many people who bought "Anne Perry's" books know her backstory. I'm guessing not many. I could be wrong!.....
I would be too ashamed to be a public person after committing such a crime. I wonder if Juliet really is remorseful
@@wendybond2848 Probably why she changed her name and moved a continent away. And then very interesting she apparently writes crime and mystery stories. Probably figured no one would ever know. Underestimated the power of the Internet!
Thank-you Dr. Grande for such an insightful analysis. The human mind is such an extraordnary organ capable of so much that is mysterious and unfathomable. Thanks again!
If you don’t have folie a deux does that mean you do have folie a don’t?
I’ll let myself out...
My type of humor. Nice one!
😂😂🔥
Cab for one please
@@ZeroGHome24 🤣
Lol , this a a french term: follie = madness ; a = of; deux = two
OMG Thank you so much for analyzing this case. It is interesting to see what happened to them afterward!
Dr. Grande, you are the BEST!! The way you drop a one-liner out of nowhere and manage to keep a straight face cracks me up. I was so engrossed in the details of this case and I lost it when you said "Diary writing for future felons". I LOVE IT!! 😂😂😂😂
I’ve read many books by Anne Perry. She is a wonderful author. As I’m reading through the books I often wonder how much her past influences her books. For instance in one series the main character is a detective who suffers from anterograde amnesia. He literally has the opportunity to start his life over again. Thanks for reviewing this case. As usual you’ve done a great job.
Thank you for reviewing this case!! I’ve requested it a couple times, so this made my day!
You must have read my mind. I have been obsessed with this case ever since I saw Heavenly Creatures and I am presently reading Peter Graham's book. Still remembering how every feeling and sensation is extreme in our adolescence and it is always, never and forever, i was especially drawn to their story. They just took it (way) too far. Thank you for this analysis.
I don't know what is it about two girls bonding over homicide that gets to me. I haven't watched Heavenly Creatures, but I did watch Perfect Sisters, that is based on a case of sisters murdering their mother, and I've been weirdly fascinated with both the Parker-Hulme case and this sisters' case for quite some years.
It saddens me a lot that friendships that could've lasted for years ended up in delusions and murder. Like, talk about fucking a relationship this badly. I can totally understand Pauline never wanting to be found ever again. She was the one losing a mother over this, and taking a mother away from her sister as well.
@@hollynotholy Because of your comment, I watched Perfext Sisters yesterday, interesting. The dynamic is totally different from Pauline and Juliet though, it was a matter of intense friendship and shared delusion not about survival from abuse from an alcoholic mother with evil boyfriends, and in the case of Payline and Juliet they really didn't see the reality around them and who was really trying to break them apart. In both case, the slipping into excessive behaviors due to the inability to cope with unbearable intense emotions is similar. Heavenly Creature is a great film, i hope you watch it at some point.
@@betsyred4830 I’m so happy that you got to watch it! Yeah, I imagine the two dynamics might be different, but I think that the lack of proper planning, lack of remorse afterwards, and splitting of the two when incarcerated is pretty close. They both got new identities after being released from jail, like Pauline and Juliet. But I wanna see the differences, too, so I’ll look into watching Heavenly Creatures and will let you know my thoughts!
These in depth synopsis videos of historical crimes and the personalities of the perpetrators are often very fascinating!
I just wanna say thank you for making videos. Always a pleasure, really enjoy your content 👍
Fascinating and concerning what ideas, thoughts and delusions can be transferred from one person to another. Thank you for another great video.
At least Pauline Parker had the decency to go into hiding and stay there. Juliet Hulme, unfortunately, has yet to fall off the face of the Earth.
Due to the time difference, I always enjoy your videos while I'm having lunch. Thanks for keeping me company with such interesting analysis 😊
The dry humor is so spot on perfect lol
I enjoyed all the humour woven throughout this fascinating and detailed case analysis that had so many interesting aspects. It was not only a very thought provoking video but one of my favourites, in part, because I can't quite bend my mind around it!
Thanks Todd. I have been watching your videos since the start of my Psychology degree and I am approaching the end of my 4th year just now - you have been super helpful (the SPSS videos are very user friendly).
This story has always fascinated me. Heavenly Creatures is a great film. Glad you made this.
The power of your knowledge, the clarity of your words, the warmth of your voice...🤓
Good evening, doctor. 🌼 Oh, that's a fascinating case. ⭐
That surprise party comment had me dying! 😂🤣😂
Driest, funniest doctor out there!
Super thanks for covering this case. On the side note, the only reason I’m going to watch the coming presidential debates, which is a toll on me, is to be able to listen to your analysis. Don’t disappoint Dr. Grande.
This brings to mind the case of Ursula and Sabina Eriksson, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
Absolutely. I hope he does, that case is beyond bizarre.
I actually landed on this video wanting to recommend the Eriksson case, I'm dying to hear his take on that one
Yay! I requested this! (I'm sure others did too). I went to the same high school, and we recreated scenes and got into trouble because it wasn't spoken about.
Really excellent explanations of the psychological conditions! I’m struck by the similarities in behavior for “Folie à Deux” to a current criminal case in Idaho.
INTERESTING! Great speaker. Now, on to your other videos.
Such a sad story. I feel so sorry for the victim. Thank you for the video.
Thank you for another great analysis Dr. Grande! And just a friendly reminder about doing an analysis of social media folks who film themselves making "reaction videos" and whether you think these folks are narcissistic or just plain self absorbed OR whether there's a marked difference between the two
I am totally making a reaction video to this post.
David Menke I'd been thinking about the reaction community but more specifically the Haydur circle of people that hates on certain CZcamsr... Is it for the money or something else? I can't fathom why people would invest so much time and energy to hate and spread hate on other. I would love to hear why.
Another KILLER episode😊Thanks Dr Grande!!
Bravo 👏🏼 Dr Grande. This was so well put.
Thank you so much, Dr. Grande!!
This case is incredibly fascinating.
Hello Dr. Great content once again. I was hoping you’d expand more on your thoughts on their lives after prison. Both on their short lived sentences, presumably due to their age, and speculate on what their current state of minds would be, especially for the woman who ended up becoming someone of value to society. Again, great content. Thanks!
Wow, I never heard of this case and find it very interesting.
Great analysis Dr.
It is interesting that you see Pauline as the primary psychotic one who dared with Juliette. I just read a book about the case and the psychiatrists believed Juliet was the dominant one. Pauline had a boyfriend fir a while, while Juliette only had Pauline. Juliette’s parents actually agreed to take Pauline to South Africa to live with Juliette- because they believed Honora would not allow Pauline to go. So Honora took the girls’ blame for separating them. I think The Hulmes were the most pathological of the sets of parents. They abandoned Juliette several times and were planning to do so again.
The court placed Juliette in the most awful prison. Pauline was placed in a much better place.
Anyway, it is a fascinating case! Thanks for your analysis.
This case is infamous and a real doozy! Thanks again, Dr. Grande. And like your bibliography, maybe check out some of those articles meself.
You have to remember, this was a different time. Rumors of a possible romantic relationship between two women (although they later denied it and I believe them) was considered shocking.
We've come so far yet have so far to go... we can do it. Thanks for all you do to help us understand.
You absolutely must have your own T.V. Series, I'm serious. Maybe even a kid's show to explain their feelings at an earlier age. Come on Doc, your voice alone is so relaxing, so soothing and strong!!!😎
We must Mr. Rogers but found Dr. Grande.
This story is so fascinating to me. Love your videos!
Thanks for covering this topic. I asked some months ago, about some Swedish twins who ran into traffic on a British motorway and some speculate that this was a case of foile a deux.
I first heard of this case when I watched the movie "Heavenly Creatures," because I was a big Kate Winslet fan. This idea of Folie a Deux is fascinating!
Heavenly Creatures is such a great film. Highly recommend. Thanks, Dr. G.
One of my favorite historical cases. I’m always struck by how poorly planned and executed the murder was.
Were you disappointed in them?
And how they got away with it - only a few years!
Reflections of the past was an interesting documentary on these two..and only 5yrs for the crime that still shocks
I have always been fascinated by "Folie a Deux." I blows my mind how most people can have friends and nothing bad happens, then a few pairs of friends can share the same delusion. What makes those pairs so special? 🤔
Usually both of them are, in the technical jargon, "barmy in the crumpet." The instigator is very forceful; the outstigator is easily hypnotized and spends more and more time under the control of the conscienceless part of her Unconscious. Eventually, anything is possible; fantasy becomes reality. And Dr. Grande gets another video. We get to watch it. Win-win.
Guenther, sounds like the entire GOP
@The Real Deal Well, like she said, we get another video. 😬
It's even more mind-blowing when you consider how common obsessive teen girl friendships are. My understanding is that
it's an effect of the developing teen brain.
It's fortunate that so few of them lead to murder.
@@dagmarland You may be on to something there. Isn't there sone research that says teenage brains aren't fully developed? I don't have children, but I remember my own teenage years. I knew everything & nothing, and I listened to no advice from anyone until I was well into my 20's.
Thank you, I've been hoping you would do this for months, you made my day! I find this case incredibly interesting. For those that do not know, a very good movie was made about this case called Heavenly Creatures. Directed by Peter Jackson and introducing Kate Winslet. There is also a documentary about Anne Perry called Interiors, and a biography about her.
Its been a couple of years since I found out Anne Perry was a murderer. I had read a couple of her books but now I just can't do it.
"Prison was awful because there was no fruit, and no libraries."
Pure torture. Absolute hell.
Another great discussion, Dr. Grande. After thinking about Folie a Deux, it's way too narrow a "psychotic disorder" to continue to be considered. There are far too many influences these days that influence people. These women were obviously in there own little fantasy world when they were teens, but adding the "actress" and "supernatural world" component really takes it to a popular media cultural level. Perhaps that's why their sentences were so short.
Case suggestion: the Snowtown murders in Australia and the main perpetrator John Bunting
I've got a strong stomach and a pretty morbid curiosity but I tried watching an Aussie documentary about this crime and had to switch it off. Horrendous. Stories of torture and murder of learning disabled men was too much. I'd probably listen to a Dr Grande analysis of it though!
@@peterrichards5969 I'm very reserved about the death penalty, but those monsters should be put down like rabid animals, for the sake of public safety and to save govt resources.
@@mikkovaltonen3564 I'm anti-death penalty, in all cases, but having struggled through those descriptions of what they did I'm forced to agree with you. I don't think the govt should do it though, but some aggrieved relative who is never caught. (I'm not sure what's happening to my moral compass, but its been a long week and I'm tired...)
@@peterrichards5969 I'm in favor of death penalty only under certain conditions
- The crime is extremely heinous and destructive, such as serial homicide, genocide and terrorism
- Evidence is overwhelming and/or the perpetrator is caught in the act
- Forensic psychiatrists declare the person so dangerous that rehabilitation is not a realistic option and it's reasonable to expect them to kill again if released.
All three of the criteria mentioned above have to be filled for death penalty to be considered.
Execution methods shall not inflict physical pain on the prisoner, it's not the Code of Hammurabi after all.
If there is ANY uncertainty about guilt, the death penalty option is off the table immediately.
@@peterrichards5969 If that was recent on Australian TV, it's probably the same one I saw not long ago, except I didn't have the sense to turn it off and wish I had. I am fascinated with the concept of evil and why some people resort to it. I too would love to read Dr Grande's take on it
Very interesting. Thank you Dr. Grande.
Gunna hit 500k soon big doc!
Hey, Dr. Grande. How about Shirley Turner? Dear Zachary is a haunting documentary.
Lulukins, yes. This story was so tragic!
great idea, that crazy bitch...that documentary broke my heart, it really made me cry...poor baby Zachary
@@vsanchez7158 very sad indeed
Yuss. I was hoping to hear about these two.
Dr Grande I loved the term Folie a'Deux it sounds like when two people are engaged in sex Your analysis of these two was extremely interesting Dr Grande you have the best channel on CZcams and you are also the best
Great video. Quite in depth and informative. Also love the dry humor
Hi Dr. Grande, I really enjoy your content! Thank you for the insight that you share. On the topic of folie à deux, I ask that you consider doing a video about the case involving Joseph McEnroe and Michele Anderson, also known as the "Carnation Murders". I would be enthused to hear your thoughts about it.
Thanks, I wanted to hear about these two!
This was such an interesting story. I saw this movie when it came out. Thank you for discussing these interesting women.
Idk why it still surprises me you talk about all these things I know about, I didn't think this kinda stuff was your jam 😂 can't wait to hear your thoughts as always. Hope you're having a great day 💕
Lol whut, why wouldn’t such a case be his jam 😆
I'm SO curious how familiar this case is to people. Thinking about it, I'm betting it's not as well known as some because it's a solved case. It's still an important one, though.
@The Real Deal idk how I've not realized he has a podcast until now let alone a true crime one! Thank you for letting me know ❣️
@@grayhatjen5924 yeah I didn't think it was very well known at all! 💕
Thanks for this, Dr. Grande, another very interesting analysis.
Next, _please_ can you analyse the Joel Guy Jr. case? His trial is just finishing (jury deliberating). A lot of us watching the trial are wondering about his mental health/ personality, and why his Defence team didn't even attempt to plead insanity or reduced capacity. My own opinion is that he's simply a narcissistic psychopath, but would love to hear your opinion.
Wow! Crazy! (which is probably why you’re talking about this case) Interesting video. 💖💗💖
Excellent analysis as usual, Dr. Grande. I have always been fascinated by this case. I think the Slenderman case is similar. I feel the murder of Pauline’s mother would never have occurred if the two had never met.
“Polite Homicide” sounds like the title of a mystery novel with Miss Manners as the detective! Interesting delusions this pair had. Great presentation, thanks!
Fascinating!!!! Thank you!
"her family would move to New Zealand..."
Aaaaand there's your first mistake. Just kidding, NZ, you're awesome. ❤️ from 🇦🇺
Lol! You Strines crack me up. 😜
We are awesome (even though I’m a kiwi in perth) 😆
James W .....Cheeky 🤣
The place is overrun with nutjobs.
@@JP-md8fp you're in Perth? Me too! To be honest, there's bugger all difference between Kiwis and Aussies.
I really enjoy Anne Perry’s books.