The Defenders - Season 1 Review
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Chris Stuckmann reviews The Defenders Season 1, starring Charlie Cox, Mike Colter, Krysten Ritter, Finn Jones, Jessica Henwick, Sigourney Weaver, Elodie Yung, Scott Glenn, Rosario Dawson, Simone Missick.
Karen and foggy actin like matt be snortin that cocaine hes just helping people.
that is exactly what it felt like man, good analogy
BrysontheGhost Gaming Karen pissed me off a little when she started having a go at Matt for putting the suit back on, BITCH you put the idea back in his head in the first episode!!!
It's like "IDC if new york will be destroyed and everyone dies. I don't want you to get a booboo"
lordlinkthegreat It's more like "I don't want you to be found dead/half-dead in some back alley."
They know the risk that comes with putting on a suit and fighting bad guys. There is also the fact that if the world found out Matt was a vigilante, it could affect the people around him.
hahahahhaha i know right?
Iron Fist displays more emotion in the first scene of this show than in an entire season of his own show.
He's much better in this show. I guess he just had a shitty director in his own show.
He was still fucking annoying. I lost my shit when Matt called him a kid and Danny freaked out for no reason and even though Luke was the calmest person in the entire room and Luke told Danny to chill out Danny shouted " NO YOU CHILL LUKE!"
Tryhardblackguy yes bc that is his character. Just now he actually acts instead of doing pouty face
I mean it's still a step in the right direction.
The Defenders season still used Iron Fist more like a tool than an actual character. Definitely a flaw, as he was used as the central character of the show.
I'm surprised he didn't talk about the way color was used in the show. How each of the defenders had a specific color heavily used in their alone scenes. And then there was that restaurant scene where they came together and even the neon sign used each of their colors. That was one of my favorite aspects of the show
*R.I.P Defenders Season 2* :(
R.I.P _Ironfist Season 3_
R.I.P _Luke Cage Season 3_
R.I.P _Daredevil Season 4_
R.I.P _Jessica Jones Season 4_
R.I.P _Punisher Season 3_
SHAMBLOCK I want to cry
ugh Disney...
😥😥😥😭😭😭😭😭
They’ll probably appear in the mcu at somepoint
Fish_waffle_ Customs you have no idea how badly I want that to happen
I can't be the only one who thinks that stick was one of the best characters of these shows
El Richard i like how he was so chill about cutting his damn hand off
ShockingHazard1224 Yeah he was like "Fuck it, To ecape the hand i must cut off my hand"
El Richard who was that big guy he was talking to in season 1 with all the scars on his back we never see him again
House stark the north remembers Probably an member of the Chaste, like him.
Kadir Seker I wonder if we will see him again
I love the shows use of colour how each character has a dominant colour in each of their scenes
And they use music to evoke the solo shows
I loved that as well. Their is one scene where Jessica runs into a room with Trish and i knew straight away Daredevil was about to show because the entire room was red. And he did.
Super Saiyan Goddess also I loved the scene where Jessica is in cuffs and the room is all blue lighting and then the door opens and it's red on the other side of the door and of course it's Matt Murdock
I noticed too in the beginning that the character in the next scene his a small tint of their color.
yeah i saw that too that was fucking beautiful and when they were in the same sceen toghter u could see a hit off red or yellow or blue are green behind them when they talked
There actually is kind of an excuse for not calling the Avengers or SHIELD. This takes place during SHIELD season 3, in between Ant-Man and Civil War. During this time, Coulson and his team were traveling the world looking for Inhumans, so they wouldn't have been around. Captain America and his New Avengers team was also traveling the world saving little towns from warlords like Crossbones (and low-key looking for Bucky). Thor wasn't on Earth and Hulk was MIA. Peter Parker may have been Spider-Man, but he would have been new to his powers, and he lives in Queens. The only real person you would call is Tony Stark, but from his point of view, an earthquake happened and then a building collapsed. And the entire thing happened in three days. Tony could have been at a party the whole time.
under_score nope. Right now, it's the farthest in the timeline because
A: most of daredevil season 1 takes place before avengers 2. The avengers were in sokovia while DD was fighting the kingpin
B: season 2 of daredevil happens around season 3 of Agents Of Shield because the events of the show was on the news in S3
C: The JUDAS bullets from Luke Cage showed up in Season 4 of Agents Of Shield
D: spider man was actually referenced in a in universe song in the last episode of defenders
IP Films And Spiderman was mentioned in Iron Fist
Anyway that whole defenders plot took place underground at night as well as their own standalones shows so even without all this information about the crossing timeline which is wow that is some dedication, it's still reasonable and respectable to the canon if u twist the logic. I simply imagine the avengers were sleeping or somewhere else AS LONG as the defenders stay in the dark then there is continuity. But I scoff anytime any one of them spur the words along the line of "New York is my city" 🤣 no it's not someone get them up to speed.
Reading this after canon confirmation is mind blowing
A few questions...
1) What is the Black Sky?
2) What can the Black Sky do?
3) If the leaders of The Hand are immortal, why are Gao and Alexandra so old?
4) Why would the Hand need to hire Harlem kids of all people to do "clean up"? Shouldn't they have an organization that does that sort of thing?
5) Did Jessica finally fly? I honestly couldn't tell. The lighting was almost at level "AVP Requiem" which made it very hard to see, and they NEVER mentioned it afterwards.
6) Why did they play that Wu-Tang song in that final fight?
7) Are we SUPPOSED to hate Iron Fist? I sure do.
I'll try to answer some of the questions here.
1&2) The Black Sky, from what I saw in the Defenders, is a superhuman assassin, whose abilities can only be summoned after having the "vessel" die and be revived. The black sky, Elektra in particular, has shown be incredibly strong, and may even give Captain America a run for his money.
3) As for why those 2 are so old, I assume its like why Ra's Al Ghul is so old. They don't take as many dips as the other members do. Or they got immortalized much later in their lifetime compared to the others, like that main villain of Iron Fist (I don't remember that guy's name. I didn't like Iron Fist that much.)
5) Jessica can't ever fly. She can jump really high. Like a super jump essentially.
7) If you are talking about how Danny kinda acts annoyingly stubborn, I understand why that bothers you. I don't hate him, and I don't think we are supposed to hate him, but if you do and a few others do, then there is nothing that can be done about it. Hopefully, season 2 of Iron Fist fixes that.
A ghetto person from the hood says they work for an ancient underground ninja cult, nobody would believe them
Yash Bhuiya
I just feel like Elektra wasn't really worth the precious final resources and massive effort the Hand used to acquire her. She's an assassin who didn't get the job done, and even became a hindrance to the Hand in the end. I don't know why Alexandra bothered to get a "super assassin" when the Hand had a literal army of ninjas.
In the comics Jessica can effectively fly like an airplane as in she needs a running start, a big jump, and a landing spot, but when she's in the air she's pretty much flying. During the finale I thought Jessica might've been floating when she was holding up the elevator, but like I said, it was so dark that I couldn't really see. The music, Luke and Danny's reactions, and the fact that it seemed like she needed both hands to grab the cable made me think that maybe Netflix decided to give her at least a levitating ability. Otherwise, I don't understand why Danny and Luke had such a reaction that she had to tell them to "Stop staring."
Oh, I won't be watching Season 2 of Iron Fist. Which shouldn't exist.
I know about Jessica's abilities in the comics, but they nerfed a bit in the show. As for Elektra, I believe that under other circumstances where the hand doesn't have to fight Superhumans, then the Black Sky is like a One Man Army. Of course, right when they finally got the Black Sky, she had to fight 4 superhumans. So she kinda had her hands full. The army of ninjas probably wouldn't have done as well against them then Elektra as the Black Sky.
Yash Bhuiya I know they nerfed her powers for the show. I was hoping that was a set up for a surprise. But no.
Elektra literally didn't do anything but use martial arts and ninja weapons. If the Black Sky actually had powers or could actually kill a ragtag group of low level superheroes then I would buy the Hand going through so much trouble to resurrect her, but it seems like the only benefit to resurrecting someone as the Black Sky is to have a better than average ninja assassin with temporary memory loss which allows you to control them for a relatively short time. That's what the Hand did with Elektra and others in the comics, but it wasn't such a "special chosen one" kind of thing like in the show. Maybe the Black Sky should have actual supernatural abilities like corrupting people's hearts and minds, or regeneration, or walking through walls, SOMETHING.
Ironman: I am Ironman
Batman: I'm Batman
Superman: I am hope
Ironfist: ..... I am the *immortal* ironfist
Hodor
Cuz I'm a wanderer What was the point of this comment?
Cuz I'm a wanderer
Jessica Jones: I'm drunk...
Yondu: I'm Mary Poppins Ya'll!!!!!
Dredd: I am the law.
Now Marvel Studios could OFFICIALLY bring Defenders to MCU by making Tony Stark give Misty Knight her gold arm...
ikr but they have opportunity now
I'M BATMAN lol it wont happen what is up wit u ppl
maybe I made suggestion because that's what happened in the comics?
I heard that Dare Devil was getting a cameo in avengers 3 or 4
you know what will happen? thanos will take over the world cause stupid iron fist sucker punched vision killing him. then thanos would just walk up and take the last infinity gem to complete the gauntlet.
danny rand ruins everything.
SPOILERS
The first few episodes where they were separate was a bit on the dull side but I gotta say when they got together 0 to 100 real quick. My only real problem with Defenders is The Hand. In Daredevil they seemed like this all powerful mysterious Illuminati like organisation but it seems like it's just a bunch of old people trying to live longer. One of the worst parts is when the main leader whose been alive for god knows how long is just killed off suddenly out of nowhere by the BlackSky which she had been trying to attain the whole of S2 of Daredevil. It was just so anti-climact, they seemed more like a group of thugs rather than this all powerful organisation.
fs87 Yeah, but as they got older they are more doubtful, paranoid and requestioning every decision made by Alexandra. They know that they are dying and basically acting like demented old people.
That black guy who died very fast didn't feel like a Hand Leader but like a mini antagonist that Luke Cage could easily one shot in one scene in his show
can one of you guys tell me what rooftop scene with iron fist he's talking about? I've watched the show I just don't remember
The two first episodes were too slow for me,I even skipped parts when I saw them but from episode 3 they were good episodes.
Well I could still feel that they were powerfull and dangerous tho
Am I the only one who thinks that Alexandra died too soon as we never got to see her fight apart from that little one with Elektra where she wasnt even trying and Murakami asks her if she will join them fighting which implies she is powerful also Madame Gao sort of fears her and we've never seen Gao fear anyone and we've saw how she can send people flying with a little flick of the wrist and not even touch them so there's no wondering what Alexandra was capable of.
Lewis Bettison yeah i feel they really wasted her character there especislly since Sigourney Weaver was playing her. Im not tol bothered as it moved the story along but i would have liked to see her kick some ass.
Would’ve been nice if she like got into a fight with stick or someone
Her character was never too great, I'm glad she died early because she didn't serve much of an emotional purpose
@@filmtoppings that's also true
The hand was extremely disappointing. All this build for something so lackluster. They felt like a bunch of amateur goons in this show. I don't know why because they felt so menacing and powerful in daredevil. I just wanted the same vibe I got with Fisk, kill grave, cotton mouth, and the hand from daredevil in terms of villains. Instead I was just laughing at how easily the hand got taken down. Other than that I enjoyed the show. I don't get the massive amount of hate in this comment section.
I would give it a 76 on a Tomato meter. It's just a little too character driven and doesn't balance the conflict well enough with the hand. We see man-made earthquake being used by the hand but don't know how it was used by The Hand. We keep hearing how devastatingly dangerous The Hand is, but there's nothing we haven't seen before in Daredevil and Iron Fist. Yes they want to resurrect but the conflict is like the same thing in every episode never really amounting to much.
the villains were so bland ...nothing special ...including Sigorney's character. And she just dies and i didn't even give a shit. the only good villain was Elektra ...this show could have been better ....7.1/10
CJ Zanders Exactly how I feel. They need to make the seasons longer tbh. 8 episodes isn't gonna cut it if your gonna cram so many characters into one show. So many sub plots instead of showing us the hand's power capability. So much emphasis on Electra rather than the hand. It felt more like a season 3 to daredevil imo.
@Sweet Muffin - There's a lot going on this season though. 5 times more fight scenes and probably a limited amount film time they had. Yes, probably too many sub plots.
CJ Zanders Yeah I get that but I still feel 8 episodes was way too little for amount of characters and sub plots they had. Idk maybe I'm just being too harsh, but it just felt rushed to me.
The Defenders: a team that punches real good.
Larry Kenshalo RIGHT? Lol bad guys would use guns and instead it's Kung fu action all the time
Yeah man, heroes that mostly punch people suck. I hate Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, The Flash, The Hulk, Black Panther, Captain America, The Thing, and others. Try kicking sometime!
"Then they punch for a bit..."
Tell that to Saitama.
Not true.
There was a lot of throwing, too.
The show's crowning flaw, the villains. The Five Fingers of the Hand who Stick says when they're all together death and carnage ensues... they went down like pansies. Also their entire motivation in this series is to get dragon bones to prolong their immortality which presumably was done to give them a thwartable goal for the Defenders to target. The problem is it contradicts absolutely everything that was spelled out in Iron First and Daredevil about how the Hand's immortality works. They're immortality wasn't invulnerability, yet the guy Colleen grew up with takes a sword to the neck and multiple gun shots without blinking. It was shown that they die just like regular humans, it's just that after a day or two they revive (some side effects may ensue) so if they auto revive after a certain amount of time unless they lose their heads why would they need more of the immortality substance. And if this substance is so rare why is it used on their foot soldiers as we saw in Daredevil season 2, even they're ground troops are undead.
In addition to that why and how it is that the Dragon Danny defeated to get the Iron Fist's bones under New York? He says to Gow that she's desecrating the body of Shuw Lew and she responds by saying "and you punched him in the heart" so it is the same dragon. If Danny killed the dragon rather than just defeating it how did previous and how will subsequent Iron Fist's get the power and since the place under NY was sealed by the Chaste millennia ago that means for Danny to have fought the dragon where they were also had to be a passage to Kun Lun, so if the Hand has opened a passage to Kun Lun where the hell were the city full of warrior monks ready to take them down?
The only solution I can think of to the Shao-Lao problem is that he is somehow alive. And looking at how absurd that sounds when I'm reading it aloud, that is a really bad plot hole.
The Hand came off so weak. Nobu was a bad ass but here the hand was just laughably human. At times it felt like Superman was fighting Jimmy Olsen.
Irk. How the hell did the hand survive this long?
I find it funny how Danny's the most excited about being a team, but he's also like "This is my calling, I must do this myself. Only me."
Foggy and that girl whatever her name was. Acts like Matt being daredevil is like if he taking drugs again or something
wweRamz cuz worrying about a friend is soooo unrealistic
Come on its dangerous but foggy and karen exaggerate so much
The_other_black_guy it doesn't really come off as they worrying. It's like they act like he has a problem or soemthi mg
Too be fair going out as a man in a devil costume and beating people up is a problem.
wweRamz 😂😂😂
Anybody else finished with the show and doesn't know who the character was that Chris hated?
someone please reply to this, i have no idea who he was talking about
I'm wondering myself
I finished it and don't know who he is talking about.
Christian Maldonado I'm not sure but I think he was talking about Bokuto.
Surge Yeah, but wasnt Bakuto revealed in episode 4 or 5?
One thing that I really loved in the first episodes is the usage of light and filters - Luke's scenes were all in a yellowish light, Jessica is in a blueish filter and Matt in a red filter, and it's amazing
I was completely underwhelmed by Alexandra as a villain. At no point did I believe she was the head honcho of The Hand.
thewhatness i feel like they should of reveiled something like the leader the palm of the hand or some shit
i know. she barely did anything.
I felt I was the only one who didnt really liked her
I liked her, but definitely didn't find her believable as the leader.
they pulled a cottonmouth with her character
Spoiler - ish
Did I miss it or did the elevator at the end never reach the ground after dropping?
Aye Nit That elevator is probably still falling as I type this. It was a deep hole. lol
Aye Nit I think it was by the SPOILERS
Nobu guy
Aye Nit I was waiting for it to hit the ground and ruin their moment 😂
I thought it came down on one of the remaining member of the hand, when Madame Gao looked up after she said "it is the end" to the other member of the hand that fell from the elevator.
OGUN she was saying that because that is when the C4 was going off, the elevator would have fallen a while ago after she said that, if he landed then so would the elevator
can some one please explain to me why Luke did not get his ass knocked out by the iron fist, but almost died by Elektras kick a few episodes later. and don't give me the black sky shit...
He was just knocked out by the incense, not Elektras kick.
Michael G. Scott Iron fist punch rips holes in metal doors and walls, so much more powerful than a shotgun. But cage for in a coma with a shotgun to the chin. Lazy writing.
Iron fist doesn't always have the same strength each time it's not like he wanted to kill Luke Cage
Michael G. Scott .......... black sky shit yo lol.
Michael G. Scott Elektra somewhat gained super strength on par that of Luke and Jessica when she was revived, just like the top leaders of the Hand.
I felt like this show could have really used an extra few episodes. Everything seemed to go down so fast and it made the hand feel less powerful than they did in daredevil.
I thought sigourney weaver was intimidating at times, but not intimidating at other times. Like the fight scene at the Chinese restaurant. She seemed very timid, especially how she rolled up after the fight in a white car like, "are...are you guys finished?😟" 😂😂😂
Theodore Williams I think that was the point, to give her some vulnerability
The character was terrible. Absolutely zero build up to her other than Gao acting like she was afraid of her. That didn't really cut it. The hand were so disappointing.
I loved Alexandra.
Dicky Collins really? What did you love? As far as villains go I thought she was weak as fuck...and not because of her illness. A bit of decent back story may have helped. We didn't even get that though. This show needed some serious threat to make it work, it failed, massively.
They hire Sigourney Weaver and then give her nothing to do besides make a speech here and there. Her character was wildly incompentent as well. There was just never a reason to fear her. And crazy how many times she mentions how important Black Sky is, but Electra gets her butt kicked constantly.... what was the hype around her?
Am I the only one who liked this show a lot and didn't seem to hate it like most people in these comments
Edit: Thanks for all the likes guys
Spicy Pickel The critics said that the show was good, but there's a huge amount of CW fans in here, they can't take Netflix success.
Spicy Pickel I loved the show. Hating on The Defenders is just the cool thing to do. Most of the people who are commenting probably didn't even watch the whole series or just binged watched it. By the time they made it to the 2nd half they were too tired to truly take in what was happening. Most of the things they're complaining about was explained in the show, yet they somehow missed it.
I liked it, the only issue I had was the song playing in episode 8 during the defenders vs elektra fight in the hole
Spicy Pickel I personally thought it was really good. The only thing I hated was elektra. She was boring af and sigourney weaver was a lot more interesting than her
yes you're the only person on earth that liked the show, god I hate people who ask this stupid question.
To me it wasn't entirely bad but it had major flaws, the most important ones being: 1- "The Hand" as a villain was too weak 2- I was expecting a little more interaction between them, i feel like there was some chemistry missing and 3- am i the only one who really dislikes Matt and Elektra together? I don't know, i wasn't expecting in season 2 of Daredevil for Matt and Karen's start of relationship to end so abruptly and i never entirely bought Elektra's character
anne melvine They didn't want to be together, they had to be together obviously the chemistry was supposed to be off, it's what causes the drama itself
I get that, but that's exactly my point. At first it's supposed to be off. As the season goes on they are supposed to come together, which they do, but even in the end the chemistry is lacking
shadow Elektra is awesome and super hot, wtf are you talking about. She's Daredevil's love interest and a great dark character. Instead you should be complaining about Claire and Colleen Wing that are shit characters.
metallicak5 Colleen Wing makes me want to drink bleach.
anne melvine I completely agree about The Hand. In season 2 of Daredevil, they felt vast and incredibly threatening. In The Defenders, they felt very weak. Nobu was a high ranking member that came the closest to killing Matt even though he was much lower in the hierarchy than the 5 Fingers, yet none of them seemed as capable without resorting to super powers. The Hand damn near filled Hell's Kitchen with undead ninjas in Daredevil, yet there seemed to be a lot less of them in The Defenders. I could continue on regarding the degradation of The Hand between the 2 shows, but I think my point has been made.
Frank Miller's Daredevil stuff made me fall in love with that charecter, and why he is my favorite hero.
just give me the punisher already
IRelentless theres a post credit scene at end of defenders his show will be in November
Zach Lenk his show comes out next year
Sir bitches it's this year
The Best Scenes news sorces dumb ass
The Best Scenes there is no release date just november
Even though this wasn't as well choreographed, edited, or well paced as other shows like Daredevil, this is the first Netflix show I want to watch more than once because of how much I loved seeing these characters interact and fight along side each other. Episode 3 was so fantastic and actually made me enjoy Iron Fist with his office fight scene.
I agree but as a miniseries it works.
That’s why I love it when characters initially refuse the call to action, so we understand the reason why they accept the call to action in the first place.
I loved the season. But i think my favorite thing about the entire show was the color play. How each character before they met up the show was tinted their colors, Red for Daredevil, Blue for Jessica, Green for Iron Fist, Yellow for Luke Cage. It was so well done. Like when Matt Murdock first met Jessica, she was in a blueish room and when he burst in the inside of the door was red. It was throughout the whole show. When they went to the restaurant the colors of the neon dragon included all four colors. Small stuff like that kept showing up throughout the entire show.
I think the "Iron Fist on the roof top scene" he mentions was actually a great tease scene for what fans wanted to see from the character in season 2 of his show (plus a step closer to seeing him in the full outfit). Also it's worth noting he definitely becomes mature by the end of this season due to certain events and the people he has met. Him and Luke Cage definitely make for the best team and I eagerly look forward to a heroes for hire series or episode in the future.
I think we can all agree that dare devil was the best series
The editing for the very first fight that opens up the very first episode was absolutely terrible. A few fight sequences particularly the ones with Electra were kinda bad and hard to follow.
James Esparza Exactly. the camera work and editing for the fight sequences were horrendous.
another thing an editing friend of mine pointed out was the extreme use of out of focus wide angles, they use them three times alone in the aforementioned fight sequence. I feel like they handled the fighting in this movie like they handled the fighting in Iron fist. Of course I edit videos a lot so I don't expect everyone to be as keen to bad editing as I am.
Man I don't think I've ever disagreed with Chris more than I do on this one. Pretty much everything he said, I feel the exact opposite. You make a compelling case regardless, man! Great job!
I'm not the only one that actually kinda loved the show, right? They actually did it better than I thought they were. I was underwhelmed by the five fingers, except for Gao and Alexandra. That's about it. I actually thought Karen and Foggy being overly concerned with Matt was fitting. After months of believing that he had retired, and didn't miss, Daredevil, him going back at such a dangerous time would definitely make them fear for his life more than they ever had. I personally would give it an A-.
Doctor Infallible I'm with you. I'm also confused by all the comments who don't understand what the Hand were trying to do or why they were trying to do it. That was very, very well laid out in multiple episodes. It wasn't a world ending plan because they didn't want the world to end. It was only the end of their plan because it was the last known source. It was simply that they needed something that, in mining it, would destabilize the foundational structure in Manhattan and cause mass destruction. Frankly, I found big villains having a relatively small goal refreshing. If Suicide Squad had gone that direction and had much, much better pacing-based editing it could have been good. Defenders are to Avengers as Suicide Squad is to Justice League, in terms of scale, and this scale was fitting. One goal, one building, one problem, and one chance to stop it from destroying hundreds of thousands of lives.
Not to mention that every single character motivation, from Foggy and Karen's reluctance, and why Matt made the choice that he did, to the same for every hero/supporting character from each show, was established at some point. There wasn't a lot of character growth but I don't think they needed there to be that here. The only growth needed was 'okay, so working together sometimes might be a good idea going forward'.
I liked it. Some of the fight editing could be better. Finn Jones needs to learn more before S2 of either IF, Defenders, or maybe a Heroes for Hire thing they'll do. A lot more. But overall, it delivered as promised and it did it without the awkwardness all the other Marvel Netflix shows had to one degree or another. And some of the cinematography/editing was downright awesome.
The only thing I really disliked was that there's no timestamp-y reference to give us an idea of when this is set. If I'm correct it's chronologically either in the time leading up to or around the same time as the Sokovia accords, something the show could have used in a 'so, fuck, we're on our own then' way.
saeva atdreamwidth Yeah, I'm always confused with the timeline of the Netflix MCU. All I knew for a long time was that all of it happened after the first Avengers. And I don't even know how long after that. It's also difficult to establish the actual time between shows. Kinda wish that they threw in Easter eggs to the films a bit more. Show a TV that's reporting on, and has footage of, the fight with Ultron in NY that turns off as a part of the power outage.
Shit was so boring the hand sucked dick and boring and plot sucked cock
Nay, overall I quite liked it. Definitely more enjoyable than I thought it would be.About the only bad thing for me was that the Hand wasn't treated fairly; at least, they just didn't have the menace they used to this time around. Too demystified?
Doctor Infallible -Same, I loved the way how they all came together and the fighting was really good. The hallway scene where they first fight together was probably the best maybe second to the Daredevil one but still really good. They even managed to give the side characters their own side story (except Karen and foggy). Also the end credit scene was a nice inclusion and nod to the mcu movies.
Elektra was cool but they basically gave her the Super soldier serum because she ain't that powerful in the comics.
Super Saiyan Goddess Do you even know this fase of Elektra?It's her with the power of the beast some diabolical thing basically...
+Seasonal dark Where the hell was the beast of the Hand in this show? Because i ain't seen nobody get possessed once or use it's powers or get driven insane by it like in the comics. And yeah i do know this phase of Elektra and this isn't anywhere close to what happens in the comics. They powered her up big time.
her "power" and others seemed to change scene to scene to fit the story as needed. movie marvels is smart enough not to have fights where one side would just win easily defenders didnt go the same way sadly
SS Goddess, yeah i was wtf with that. She can fight good, but how the eff was she smacking around Luke Cage giving him a tough time with her non superpowered ass.
Super Saiyan Goddess wait....that's right in the comics the hand worshipped some sort of mythological beast and didn't come from kun lun. And the show chose to make the big secret of the hand was that they were from kun lun and wanted to get back
I would love to see you review the Punisher series.
He did.
What ya think?
I actually agree with almost everything Chris says here. I remember people saying Defenders was shit and when i finally watched it I was blown away by how wrong those people were.
It's fine! Felt like a 2 hour movie, it just flew by. Does a decent job at tying together all the shows. DD Season 1 an JJ are a lot better tough
They should have released the final episode ending scene in the first episode of Season 2 to create more suspense. People who already finished it knows what I'm talking about. That way that we don't actually got to know what happened to him. I was suprised and shocked tbh at first but the ending scene kinda ruined it for me.
Yeah, also it get a bit downplayed, knowing that season 3 of Daredevil is already in the works.
they cant do that, because season 3 of DD has been confirmed for 2018, so...
Same
I had no idea there was a season 3 confirmed so I was genuinely troubled until they showed him
For me, I kinda knew in the back of my mind that they wouldn't REALLY kill off DD (with his death being offscreen and Season 3 confirmed and all). I was thinking that somehow, The Hand revives him and we get Shadowlands Daredevil, which would make him a future antagonist.
I really enjoyed Danny in this series. Almost all of his interactions with the rest of the team were "FRIEND!"
I loved it :')
This show had too much hype, and not enough delivery. No memorable scenes. The hand was not intimidating at all, and were easily taken down. There were no serious consequence/danger to the heroes or their loved ones. Anyone that thinks this show is great is clearly blinded by their emotions of excitement from having these heroes unite.
Emanuel Alvarez, DD and Elektra at the end there was really memorable. Chinese restaurant scene, midland Hallway fight scene was cool, stick chopping off his arm to escape was pretty badass, Warlord hand guy being decapitated by stick was cool. I mean I enjoyed it. Just level your expectations next time
All I want is Wilson Fisk to break the handcuff, grab Murdock and bang him against the table
*"say her name again"*
best scene from DD s2 😂😂👌👌
KillingTheJoke hahahaha loved that scene
KillingTheJoke the prison block scene the punisher was better
KillingTheJoke
Fisk is the greatest onscreen marvel villain to date imo
KillingTheJoke when are we gonna see him again better show up in Daredevil season 3 he should also appear in punisher after what we got with Fisk and castle in season 2
House stark the north remembers he is not in this defenders?
Spoiler Alert...
I was sad and excited when Misty lost her arm. 😉
Same 😂
a.d.w. n. in the comics she has a robotic arm, so it was only a matter of time.
a.d.w. n. actually that's what she gets didn't like her much, she wants answers guys she won't handle them
I was like, finally, they had to make up for that weird tease of her arm getting injured in Luke Cage.
a.d.w. n. Lol ikr
It was really cool to see Jessica use her other ability in Episode 8 in that elevator fight scene. She hardly used it in the first season of her show but glad I saw it again.
I'm trying to figure out who he's referring to when he says there's a character he doesn't like who pops up near the end.
review the godfather 1 and 2
They're both equally great BTW.
hello hows it going Godfather 2 is better
The Godfather I Think 2 is better because of those Flashbacks with Robert De Niro amazing
1>2
Part 1: 9,7
Part 2: 9,1
Part 3: 7,6
A great show that remains grounded and subtle. The Defenders is not meant to be over the top, cgi infested, series. It is a show that deals with real human emotion and the four deal with different yet empathetic issues. And it's this reason why CW have been overtaken by Marvel Netflix. The acting was great, the story was good and the fight scenes (especially with Charlie Cox and Fin Jones) were excellent.
Bring on season two.
The Hellfire Club! Glad you feel this way. Iron Fist fight scenes totally got better, don't know why people are still hating on him.
Raul Mendoza They improved 100%. Iron Fist for me, is a scapegoat for some reason. Yes, the first season was the weakest but I didn't hate it at all. So I was pleased to see him develop in the Defenders.
The Hellfire Club! Thank you. My thoughts exactly
The Hellfire Club! I definitely enjoyed Iron Fist season 1 as well, but felt like he needed to improve as a character which he did in the Defenders. Still feel like he needs to improve a little more though. I was kinda disappointed in how he fought the whole team which led him to be excluded from the team for a good 2 episodes.
Superhero Fan Has to be said. Plus, looking forward to seeing Iron Fist dawn the suit :)
I liked every character except Colleen. At some point she needs to realize that she isn't "super". I literally called out while watching the final episode when she said she could "fight". I understand she's very talented with her katana and has a background with one of the members of the hand but this doesn't make her a player in the game. Someone really needs to reel her in.
"The last 20 minutes of the finale episode messed me up so bad."
Same Chris, same.
I didn't hate it, i had fun actually, but honestly it could've been way better.
I give this show a 8/10 idk why people are hating on it so much. I mean I expected it. The people hating on it have little to no knowledge about the hero's powers and abilities. Either that, or people hopping on the bandwagon
lil chino310 Me neither!! I enjoyed it alot and understand if people didn't love it, but seeing alot of people call it garbage and bad makes no damn sense to me.
Juli Kidman Coming from the guy who "head" to listen to shit writing sure. Either way your opinions yours and mine is mine.
"The people hating on it have little to no knowledge about the hero's powers and abilities". Oh great. Another jackass who think the comics fucking matter. If they don't explore the powers that are in the show itself then don't be surprised if people rightfully gauge their power by what they've seen.
Glad you liked it! I for one, didn't think it was that great. The main female villain was not compelling at all and a lot of scenes with her felt very repetitive. On top of all that, the first 2-3 episodes felt very slow and was weirdly edited together. It felt choppy and out of place, and Iron fists story in the beginning had terrible dialogue (IMO). And the terrible dialogue didnt just extend to Iron Fist, it also extended to other scenes in the show as well, and that really takes you out of it as a viewer.
Overall, I liked it and thought the best moments were with all four Defenders on screen (either talking or fighting or etc), but a lot of the show just feels slow and out of touch. FYI just my opinion. Hope to provide an alternative viewpoint!
Sajan Patel Thank you for a respectful opinion and reasoning. I understand your points and agree with some things, like the first 3 eps being a bit slow and Iron Fists acting (much better here then on his own show). If I were to put a number on this I would say like an 8.
I mean the show was greatly produced but COMMON 8ep only why???
bikramjit singh I felt it dragged a little bit even with 8 eps. Not a bad show at all, a bit underwhelming though.
The solo series should be 8. The Defenders should be longer
@@NPClownumber81googolplex Nah Jessica Jones and Daredevil deserve their 10 eps. The other ones just don't need it and Iron Fist doesn't deserve it
I thought it was hilarious in that part when daredevil stepped in to help jessica jones fight the guy from the hand and she says "Nice ears"
"They're horns"
What happened to not liking to binge-watch Chris?
The Vagabond maybe he likes binge watching now?
Meh
It's only 8 episodes. That's like a full day at work
Justin Samuels I know
Only 8 episodes? Awe...
Welp, it's about time I finally watched Iron Fist in order to watch this.
yeah since Iron Fist wasn't that good Netiflix thought it would be safe only to have 8 instead of 13
Crono Sapien 8 Episodes = You don't have to stretch out the story for good
baole58 Well, have seen it. Probably agree with that but this is not a shit show tho imo.
Ahaha the rooftop scene... I went "Gawd noooooou don't" too 😂 I literally stood up from the couch shaking my head no
Can someone explain it to me the scene. What was its meaning? Why did you guys react to it in that way? Thanks
I enjoy the moments the four characters had in each episode
Remember, Chris. It makes sense foe Cage to be a skeptic. There are people who believe the Earth is FLAT.
deathsdoor07 Damn. Best explanation of Luke's denial I've read as of yet. Flat Earthers. *smh*
I grew up with streaming services and their superhero properties
fazeel ashraf I grew up with*
3HeadedJewMaster yes
I like the CW and marvel shows but the tie breaker for me is daredevil
Idk why but I like the over the top justice seeking version of iron fist. It adds some comedy during serious times where they're like " we have to wait and take our time with this" and iron fist is like " I am the iron fist we must stop them NOW"
There was one episode, 9 I think, where the fight scene was a complete jump cutting mess. The rest were really great though.
TeaLoafer there's only 8
Brendan Gray Ha. Quite right. Episode 7 then!!
Hmm, yeah that was pretty bad too! Compared to the office fight scene when they first team up, that was excellent, very few cuts.
Also the huge fight in the last episode had a song that really didnt fit.
TeaLoafer Agree. The action in episode 7 has terrible action.
Other than Iron Fist I do not get why people hate on the Netflix MCU. What's the problem, too many human emotions and character building for the heroes and villains? Just because the heroes don't crack a joke every other line doesn't make this series bad. These shows are meant to be a slow burn at times, get over it lol
Besides Iron Fist none of their shows were horrible. People always want something to complain about I guess.
The only decent shows were Daredevil 1 and 2. The rest were completely skipable.
Get over that Wall not Jessica Jones boi
if found Jones to be pretty bland and uninteresting with one dimensional bad guy and terrible writing (especially the cop sidestory ...)
even BLM SJW pandering Luke Cage was more interesting show than that ...
Get over that Wall racist bitch
Who was he talking about when he said that towards the end a character is there who he doesn't like?
Did anyone notice the different hues of colour between the characters in the first episode? Jessica Jones Scenes = Purple, Iron Fist = Green, Daredevil = Red and Luke Cage = Yellow.
Also, Sigourney Weaver's character mentioned the fifth member will be coming soon, who was she talking about?
lol what's with all the hate for this show? Were you expecting Avengers part 3? Jesus. People's patience levels have disappeared
cory l They expected a movie budget for a Netflix show. People like that are just determined to not be happy.
PLLittleMama2007 No. They expected it to at least be as good as Daredevil season 1, Luke Cage season 1, and Jessica Jones season 1...but it was't...not even close.
+Gummi Bear In your opinion, your statements aren't fact, not even close.
Gummi Bear I'll have to finish it but so far it's pretty solid. Again, I don't understand the hate
The show is mediocre simple as that. Jessica Jones and Daredevil season 2 are the only good ones on Marvel's Netflix, the rest is just dogshit. Agents of Shield is even better than this show.
*Spoilers*
I love how the team called _The Defenders_ ends up blowing up a building rather than defending one.
InMaTeofDeath they defended the city by blowing up a cult of villians
I know this is a comic book show but it is hard to believe the military wouldn't be called into the city because of that shit.
they called the bomb squad for the bomb, you see them when they get out of the building
Dick pole Not really, the police only knew that a group of possible terrorists were targeting a building and were planning on blowing it up. A bomb squad would be called in because the authorities had no idea about there being a possibility of the city crumbling down meaning that from the perspective of the authorities the scale of things wasn't large enough for the army.
Alexandra in this show was great. Everything she did showed her experience and just screamed “I’ve been doing this for centuries.”
Hey Chris, love your channel! Glad I found you! Your comments and critics are spot on. I worked on DD season 3 and JJ season 3. Would love to hear your thoughts on those! We put a lot of love and hard work into it!
Sheila Natera that’s so cool! What did you do?
I love the cinematography. The scene lighting is beautiful in episode four in the restaurant. All of the neon colors represented each characters almost meshing. Even in the scene afterwards look at the two colors present for the characters. Loved that.
Daja Stewart if u still breathin u are ULTRA fine chocolate girl
I read through this common section, and it's a f*ck*ng mess, decide what you think people!
Some people loves the Hallway fight scene, while others hate that fight scene but love the final fight scene, except some people who disliked the music during that fight scene. Some people really liked the character Stick, while others hated him and wishes that he never should've existed, but some people just think he was underwhelming and didn't care if he died or not.
And also, there's a CW VS. Marvel Netflix "war" going on so yeah, just a warning!
It's a jungle of opinions here, to crazy for me to handle, so bye! 😅
Do you have a fear of opinions? Because that is how opinions work. People don't have to agree with each other over a show. CW is a different medium and meant for a different audience than the Netflix Marvel shows, so I agree with you that they shouldn't be compared. Their opinions don't have to affect you so much you know?
Theendman Not the problem with opinions, it's the fact that everyone tells each other what to think
Honestly, killing Stick is the only good thing Elektra did. Hopefully her boring ass is gone too. I have no idea why Matt likes her so much, my God.
King V How the fuck are you angry about different people having different opinions.
That's true, they do that quite often try to feed others their opinion, but not always.
Dude! Do 2003's Daredevil! (Mention the Director's Cut plz)
Also
Spinning cameras
Bizarre angles
And dark scenes
A lot of those three.
The scene where Elektra and Matt reunion and kiss at the end made me cry and be so happy at the same time 😂❤️
im curious why netflix keeps making super compelling villains just to kill them off in ep 7
James Fulham Shock value?
yea but thats super lame. Alexandra was soooo compelling for her to be taken down the way she was just seems uninspired.
James Fulham very true , she had great potential
One of my favorite things about this show is how they show the characters and what they can do if you didn't want to watch the other shows
The interactions/dynamics in this were on point 👌🏻
The Hand could've been done better imo (especially with the other members, because they werent as compelling to me like Madame Gao was)
The "War for New York" should've been an actual war with casualties
Also, The Mandarin should totally be the villain for next season; I believe the Ten Rings could get much better treatment on the Netflix shows than in the movies.
Misty Knight is now set up to become a superhero with her bionic arn. Ayyyyyyy.
Any of the punches in defenders by iron fist has more weight than all on his own show
Who is this character that shows up at the end that chris is talking about??? The annoying one??
abed massoud bakuto
Wasn't Bakuto there for most of the series? And he kind of had to show up because he was one of the five fingers...
So I finally finished this season and I have one tiny issue. During the last big showdown between all the defenders and the hand, the soundtrack very jarringly changes to like a rap/hip hop song that did NOTHING for me and kinda took me out of the moment. Was that just me?
lesley you're not alone.. most everyone complained about the end part of that last fight.. not the song on its own mind you, just there and then
I enjoyed it & it was good but definitely could've been better. Iron Fist was less annoying & I liked his scenes with Luke Cage, but he still got on my nerves
Ranked from best to worst:
1) Daredevil
2) Jessica Jones
3) The Defenders
4) Luke Cage
5) Iron Fist
I found my way here because I wanted to see what other people thought about this series. I just finished episode 5 of season 1 for the first time and was starting to feel quite annoyed with the terrible writing and directing choices (or lack of them). Alexandra shows up alone and unarmed and they don't kill her or at least take her prisoner? Elektra gets hit by a car and isn't immediately killed or subdued? (would've made a great scene for Stick to try to kill one or both of these characters immediately and then Matt to jump in to break it up -- now THAT would've made for a great scene, with the "Defenders" taking on each other while also trying to make it out alive). Gao is knocked down but not immediately killed or subdued? Murakami is literally knocked out but not killed or taken prisoner? The remaining "Defenders" are in great shape outside, at the back door, with only a few simpleton minions left inside after Elektra runs away and yet they feel the need to not only RUN AWAY themselves but in the SEWERS?? Even Alexandra looked scared in the car nearby.
I enjoyed Daredevil and The Punisher (even though they weren't really that faithful to poor Frank's comic background) but struggled through the drawn-out melancholy of Jessica Jones and the lack of well-roundedness in her character. She seems really out of place in The Defenders. The Iron Fist series is to me, as you also said, a disappointment and could've been so much better. This guy was supposed to be the sole protector of the entrance to Kun Lun? Really? A guy who does so-so Kung Fu and sometimes lights up his hand to punch stuff and regularly gets thumped by average fighters? THAT guy is supposed to be the sole holder of the iron fist and protector of the entrance? Right.
Luke Cage wasn't bad but, as I've been watching these shows, I realized that they seem to rehash and recycle some of the same plot points, dialogue, and progressions between them. I was really looking forward to seeing The Defenders, hoping that as they were brought together the story would become more interesting and reveal some different, if not cool, revelations. Unfortunately, after just 5 episodes, what I've seen is writers and directors who have mistreated and mishandled what they've been given.
My opinion: Characters didn't shine through. They were very static, one dimensional, merely carried a shadow of the tone of their seasons. They were put together in scenes where the director seemed to expect 'magic' to happen, but it just didn't. Instead the delivery was stale and sometimes even forced. Luke Cage and Iron Fist were expected to have chemistry but didn't. None of the characters showed any actual chemistry.
The side characters were forced in. Their interaction with each other felt like an obligation. They simply echoed the obvious at each other. "Oh really, that's what happened to you? Oh my gosh that's horrible."
The Five Fingers were awful. When they're revealed and actually fight, you have to ask: Really? That's them? How is it that Nobu, a non-Five Finger member, posed more of a threat to the main character than all Five Fingers combined? Kingpin from Daredevil Season 1 was even more elusive than the Five Fingers, and he was able to hide himself in broad daylight, even managing to remain "hidden" in public sight. Kingpin is the real ninja, not the Five Fingers.
The choreography showed improvement for Iron Fist alone, but were lacking for the rest. In the finale group fight, they used the actual actors who were mostly not action heroes, and their fighting were stiff. The Hand looked like dummies just waiting to be punched by Jessica Jones or awkwardly thrown by Luke Cage. They should have been untouchable! The hospital scene from Daredevil season 1 showed how intimidating even a fraction of the hand could be, and here they were, being taken out by people who don't even know martial arts. Furthermore, Daredevil and Iron Fist had barely any room to fight coherently and so their segments were shot so close that you could barely make out what they were doing.
The final fight with the two characters was redundant and too lengthy. I was begging for it to end.
The setting in the whole season felt claustrophobic. Too many of the fight scenes happened indoors, in a convenient open space factory or warehouse setting. It felt like those b-movie Japanese action flicks for kids.
The story itself was so linear. It's a straight, predictable track with no surprises, no major events happening in the universe. The ending left so many unanswered questions. The director banked on the team chemistry so much that the rest of the other elements that would make a great show were mostly expected to just work out. Unfortunately, the chemistry just wasn't there.
the character you hated better not have been Stick. Scott Glenn was awesome.
That scene, where he escaped Alexandra and Elektra... Soooo fucking baadd assss!!!
Ted Troncoso Yeah, who DID Chris mean by that? Bakuto?
Bad Worker wasnt stick in the trailers though? So it probably is bakuto
i hope he meant Bakuto. Stick is too awesome not to love.
Spoilers sort of. Am i the only one that thought matt and jessica hade some romatic feelings at the end of the show?
That's what I was hoping for. On set photos seemed to indicate they would be doing more stuff together in the show that actually was the case. I saw them as equals who are so different yet complement each other.
Something that could be developed in future seasons, hopefully.
Lamashtar the relationship between matt and her is just so toxic, I like elektra alone, but the two of them is just so bad
Aurkin95 I didn't get that feeling at all, not in the slightest.
"I'll punch you so hard that you can see."
Gotta disagree with you on the villains. Sigourney Weaver's character was underwritten and boring. The "Five Fingers of the Hand" were not credible threats to the heroes. The whole "In war, both sides need to believe blah blah blah" is sophomoric, at best. It's really not that clever. Elektra was even more underdeveloped than Weaver's character, and the whole dinosaur-bone thing was a bland, stupid reveal, lacking sufficient foreshadowing. The whole show felt like a jumbled, half-baked mess.
In the first two episodes (which is all I could stomach) Iron Fist and his partner referred to The Hand so many times that it felt like product placement to sell action figures.
It was confusing to have MM, JJ & LC speaking like adults while Iron Fist and his sidekick talk like something out of a bad YA novel.
Chris u said u would avoid anything MAJOR, but ure wearing a ghost in the shell shirt :)
Why do people say they hate it then give no reason?
The fighting scenes are atrocious. Why don't the goons all attack at once. Why haven't daredevil and iron fist been shot. The comics can get away with it, but the live action ruins it. A bullet to the head won't knock luke out, but a kick to the head from elektra will? The exposition as well as the dialogue is boring. etc etc etc dvdhjvdhvdbdhvdu
Not Applicable elektra had super strength dim wit
I go off of what I know from the comics and they never mentioned super strength in the show
Not Applicable season 2 of daredevil explains her power
F Bailey I'm sorry but the iron fist was so laughable in that show, he really dragged the show down for me.
If there ever is another Batman vs Superman *type* of movie- you and AngryJoe should do the review together. (would be very entertaining).
That last shot of Iron Fist on the roof made me laugh because...he's really only watching the street immediately in front of him. Daredevil has super senses, Batman has Alfred/Oracle/etc. monitoring news and police radios, so they can pull off the rooftop surveillance thing, but Iron Fist is just one guy who can't watch more than one street at a time. Good thing Hell's Kitchen is a really small neighborhood?
The show was great, I just thought the hand was a bit underwhelming after all this build up. Iron fist still isn't right- I want him to be more like his comic version. Besides the lacking villains, and iron fist still being underwhelming, I thought the show was amazing and I loved all the characters!
To be honest Iron Fist becomes Daredevil in the comics for some time...
Misty is hot !
Still looking good with one arm?
AdmacEdits mate Scarlett Johansson could have one arm but she'd still be damn beautiful in my books!
Slitherr you misspled Elektra
You misspelled "misspelled" ;)
Get out, all of you
Two things I noticed, I don't know if you guys think the same:
- The Hand was more intimidating in Daredevil season 2. Kinda dissapointed....
- Jessica Jones was way stronger in her own series.