Improving the NYC Subway's Rolling Stock
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2022
- Currently, we have over 10 different types of trains in the system. All with differing door positions, onboard systems, and more. In this video, I talk about what New York can improve with its rolling stock, and why standardization is a good practice.
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I had one conductor on the 1 who was really good at being audible and always was announcing points of interest
Conductor Harry Ray. Retired to Florida
There was one 1 train driver who announced when it was 2/2/22 at 2:22 PM. #Neverforget
Another W for the (1) train
Also, yeah, most of the time the announcements are unintelligible, but a couple of times I had this guy who was extremely clear, and announced not just the station name, but what street it was on. He'd also mention if it was the last station in a borough. Very cool experience, which is strange, because it should really be the bare minimum.
I agree with you that the subway cars all have the same stainless steel look, but New Yorkers gave the MTA no choice, do to graffiti in the 1970's & 1980's.
There's ways we can still have the easy-to-clean stainless steel with wraps on the exterior of the train. Just because of a graffiti crisis in the 1980s, doesn't mean we need to be stuck with the same, bland design for the rest of eternity.
@@MysticTransit I agree.
The issue is would a vinyl wrap hold up well against the kind of wear and tear of repeated cleanings and vandalism? Constant re-wrapping could get expensive after a while.
That was the problem with the blue stripe on the R42-44-46s; they couldn't stand up to the acid baths required at the time to remove the graffiti.
@@steveclark4544 New York City isn’t the only city dealing with these issues, other large cities around the world suffer from the same problem yet they deal with it efficiently. Not to mention that many of these cities still have colorful livery and combat graffiti through privatizing some of their organizational structures within transit authorities. The problem is that the MTA’s organizational structure is completely outdated by international comparison. In Europe and Asia, specialized maintenance of fleet are often left in the hands of specialized companies. For example Hong Kong based MTR is responsible for most of the maintenance of rolling stock and services for Stockholm’s metro and the Crossrail in London. Both TFL in London and SL contracted MTR given their world leading expertise in mass transit operations, and since MTR commenced their takeover of certain operations from staffing, rolling stock maintenance and system reliability, both cities have seen drastic overall improvements so far.
@@steveclark4544 Or just paint the trains in a simple or even single color scheme, and paint over the graffiti
I definitely agree with the screens part you mentioned. The screens just advertise the same things when they could have displayed something else.
Service changes obviously need to be address for those who are riding the train over the weekend.
They do address the services changes. People don’t read nor listen to announcements or the side destination signs. So why bother
@@thebignastyone1984 Exactly
Saw somebody get upset and start yelling at the conductor on an E going via the F
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 and mind you there are big ass signs and announcements made on the train and platform
The reason why the rolling stock we have now looks identical is because we kinda had to. The red birds were the way they were because the city was broke at the time and they were cheapest equipment we could get. Problem was that the exteriors were difficult to clean which was a huge problem especially in the 70's and 80's when the city had high levels of crime and whenever those trains were being stored in yards or unused track at night, they would because frequent targets for graffiti. Eventually when the city started purchasing new equipment, we went with stainless steel exteriors as those were easier to clean
Is this still the reason the R211's have this though?
@@maknyc1539probably that since it still happens every once in a while but probably also so that it doesn't look weird whenever they do the occasional collab train wrap
Redbirds were purchased 1961 , delivered 1962-63 . NYC wasn t borke then . NYCTA always purchased most reliable Rolling Stoock at rreasonalbe costs . $ 125 K per car then . However TA s maintance went down due to politics or , ????? The IRT suffered the most excepr # 7 Flushing . TA s "cream of the crop " due to poltical connections of those whose rode & lived along # 7 line . Complaints taken seriously . This was ONLY well kept A division line 1960 s , 70 s , 80 -85 ! BMT -IND was well maintained SOUTH of Columbus Cirlce . Thankfully the 80 brought changes w R 62 -68 s Both replaced primitve SMEE s ( R 10 s outboard door controls ) ( IRT 1st Stainless steel cars w full cab provivisons ) 1970 s R 44 / 46 Advanced Trains w ATO were B division " improvents " that weree NEVER used here . OTHER more modern Transit systems ran them ATO ( run without trains crewss ,or OPTO styles . Not here until late 80 s OPTO limited service on NYCTA .
Yeah i remember reading the stainless steel trains were meant to present a cleaner NYC cause it was coming out of the crime infested 70-80s and that it was a lot easier to clean graffiti off of it.
Open gangway is a must. In case of emergency, passengers can run to other rolling stock.
Lol. Open gangway. Pay attention to NYCT subway yard. Not all NYCT subway yard can handle open gangway cars.. I can see City Hall loop or South Ferry loop . Open gangway cannot fit through South Ferry loop or City Hall loop
I 100% agree with fixing the PA systems on the trains. I was on the E yesterday and it was stuck at Spring St. because of signal problems but the announcements were so garbled that I had to go to the front and talk to the operator.
lol honestly at this point i don't even think its a PA issue, the conductors are just probably messing with the riders now its just the MTA brand
Far and in between issu
I am also someone who prefers transverse seating, mainly for comfort for long distance travel. This is one thing I love about the Toronto, Ontario subway system. BMT/IND trains really ought to all have a mix of transverse and longitudinal seating; I know IRT trains are likely too narrow for this.
for the landmark parts of the announcements, the Piccadilly line in london has 2 sets of annoucnements, a "peak time" one where station announcements are brief and only mention connections, and a "tourist" one where the local landmarks and touristy things are as well as connections, so the commuters get the info they need without excessive announcements, and tourists get the extra info in the off peak
An art contest for train liveries would be an excellent idea, give some trainsets a unique look and get local artists some publicity.
"Having diagrams that display exits relative to the car you are in"
He spoke it into existence.
We could extend the Arts for Transit program to include painting the subway cars and more of the stations.
I think the subway cars look better with a uniform - and perhaps more attractive - livery. I would be dead set against amateur artists slapping paint on the cars.
I remember when the NTTs rolled out on the Lexington Ave lines, the surprising thing was the coherent pre-recorded announcements and how bright they were the lighting on those cars seemed like a major improvement.
I think, to rethink the NTT interiors, we can use darker colour blue seats like they will for R211s to absorb the brighter lighting. For wheelchair seating, use turquoise or a lighter, contrasting blue, NOT yellow. Longitudinal seating is better, but I think transverse seating at the car ends in the corners is a good compromise.
The thing about yellow is that it sets a far better contrast than blue does, particularly for those that can't see blue too well.
At least it actually works within the train car, unlike the LIRR M9 design, where each cab end was supposed to have a bunch of utterly garish yellow with no practical purpose.
I'm so glad Boston's subways don't have this problem, as each of the lines are distinctly color-coded, which is incorporated into the rolling stock's designs. You can take one look at an MBTA train and know "Oh, that's the Blue line, or the Green line" etc.
I remember this operator on the N train. Whenever we would reach the last on the train he would always tell us the weather and what time it is on the PA.
Over the pond in Germany (at least here in Frankfurt) we switched to AI generated Voice announcements, while there where sone Rocky starts, now they sound exactly like before.
But funnily enough for decades more of half of announcement in the whole country where voice-recording by a single person.
Our subway cars are colored turquoise (a very odd choice and many hate it, I like it because it is standing out).
Here's the kicker: most of our own buses here in NYC have now moved to text-to-speech announcements as well (except for PSAs).
Good point but in some cases it's an AI-generated voice of the Original announcer, For example, S-Bahn Dresden Leipzig uses an AI-generated Ingo Ruff voice so does Rhein-Ruhr Rhein-Main Munchen Ingo Ruff although in the case of Munchen and Rhein-Ruhr systems you can have a combination of Ingo Ruff and Helga Baeyrtz. Others like a DB Baureihe 462 RRX Paint uses an AI Voice Linguatec Anna/Petra while a DB Baureihe 146.2 Dosto uses AI Generated Ingo Ruff voice. Learnt those from Train sim world.
@@EpicThe112 Oh! That's different. That's cool!!
@@samuelitooooo You should try that if you are interested in German trains. Boston uses Frank Ogelsby Jr. Example Route 1 bus to Harvard
Here's my idea, any station is now arrived, they should put accessible station announcement first, like the one in Philly (SEPTA) before the transfer & commuter rail announcements. For example in Philly: next stop - Girard. A wheelchair accessible station. For example on the uptown 5 in NYC: this is 125th St (Lexington), a wheelchair accessible station. Transfer to the M60 SBS to LGA, 4 & 6 trains. Connect to Metro-North.
An interesting take on the NYC Subway announcements.
This is a really small tweak that I think would make the system much easier to use for disabled pasengers. I almost can’t believe they don’t already. A similar idea mentioned in the video was displaying transfer info, service changes, etc. on the screens currently used for advertisements. It was suggested as a way to improve general rider experience, but making the trains accessible for just some people makes the trains more comfortable and convenient for everyone.
4:59 thats why the London underground is never boring for some people
It's colourful
I think adding a bit of color to the rolling stock would really help, but use different colors for each train model (Blue for R46, Red for R160, and so on)
Or wrap them in the color of the line they're running on, especially those with the boring red led route indicators; wrap the Lexington R142s in green etc.
They should allow graffiti artist to tastefully create art that represents the neighborhoods that each train goes through. (Ex. 4 train Yankee stadium, 7 Citi Field, D Coney Island, etc..) and put it on the outside of the train.
@@Marvel83 That would be better for train stations, and not the rolling stock
The [D] should also be cut back to Bensonhurst-Bay Parkway; that won’t be relevant.
That could reduce the amount of energy the police uses towards fighting graffiti.
I agree with the lack of information on the trains.. I live in Southern California but I come out to New York for a week every year or two(I’ll be there on September 8th)and I get confused sometimes and I’m fairly adept at getting around
One thing I miss that you can’t do on new trains is standing at the front window of the first car. I used to love doing that when I was a kid riding the trains. Watching the tracks. Seeing when the trains speed up and slow down. Seeing what the operator sees. These videos show me just how much the system has changed since I was a kid. They’re great. I love them
Mystic you always point out the facts keep it up
Love the content, ive never been to NYC, the subway system looks great, the only train ive riden is the vancouver skytrain and i find trains interesting. I find it crazy how many lines and trains there is in new york. Love the content
In Stockholm, our new metro rolling stock are equipped with LED screens that are mounted above each door pair displaying the station exits/entrances, above level street directions upon station arrival as well as transfers to buses and bus station directions and information about connecting mass transit lines. Due to the old infrastructure of a number if subway stations in New York which require you to exit the and enter through the opposite side of the street for transfers, this seems like an ideal solution to inform passengers who are in a hurry and need to navigate quickly for transfers.
I think the PATH trains are largely similar but somehow just nicer looking, maybe its just having color
Yeah, I prefer PATH's PA-5s over all of the MTA's current rolling stock.
@@MysticTransit the pa6 has been announced for expansion trains and open gangway to increase capacity and new features
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 they never announced the PA6, they’ve announced newer PA5s to expand the fleet, none open gangway either.
@@MysticTransit aren’t those R142s with different colors.
@@HesJustSteven pa5a then,But concepts have been leaked for the pa6,if the path system expands.
As a Londoner myself, our S Stock trains (used on the Metropolitan Line, Hammersmith & City, Circle and District Lines) on the London Underground are very popular. The only difference is that the S7 Stock trains used on the District, Hammersmith & City and Circle Lines don't have Transverse seating unlike the S8 Stock trains on the Metropolitan Line. All the seats in each carriage on the S7 Stock train are Longitudinal so they provide more standing room with strap handles during peak times along with the wide open Gangways which is not so bad at all. The reason why the S8 Stock trains on the Metropolitan Line has Transverse seating is because those trains travel as far as Watford in Rural Hertforshire, Chesham and Amersham in Rural Buckinghamshire.
External sliding doors (similar to those used on some London tube stock), in the relevant colour of the line being operated on, could brighten up the outside of the trains and if done correctly, improve access for vision impaired passengers.
In terms of useful information, I feel the same way about the announcements on the letter trains vs the number trains. On the number trains they say something like "There is an uptown express 2 train to Wakefield-241 St approaching the station. Please stand away from the platform edge." That is a great announcement because it tells you what the train is, both its direction and terminal, whether it's local or express, and how far away it is. That's really all you need to know, and the announcement says it in a clear, concise way. On the letter trains, it just says "The next Brooklyn-bound train is now arriving on the local track. Please stand away from the platform edge" which may be a bit shorter but doesn't tell you enough information.
I still rather have the regular screens because it much easier for me to see what stops I would need to. Now i think it would be more useful if they added some information, as long they keep the stop showing up then i'm fine with it.
personally i think that the 'hospital lighting' is quite good because the subway is FILTHY. and having things come across as sterile makes it a lot more palatable to me--the warm lighting on older trains seems to enhance the filthiness of the subway. absolutely agree with you on all other points, but i'd add one, and i think it's prolly more important (except for door standardization) than all the others combined--plug doors. would massively reduce noise levels and allow for more window space, which helps pax claustrophobia (something the MTA looks at in design). in regards to transverse seating that works if (and only if) you want to go the french route and dedicate certain fleets to certain lines. now i think that's quite smart (in general new york could learn from paris in about 6,000 ways lmao and not just with RER/Transilien, the metro in paris is certainly better than what we've got here i can sadly attest), but it would require the MTA to start doing that at a much larger scale than currently.
I want to learn more about plug doors. How sturdy are they compared to pocket doors? My current assumption is that they're slightly more complex since they have to pop out perpendicularly in addition to sliding open and closed.
Also plug doors mean thinner walls. Could those thin walls also be appropriately insulated to keep out noise? (I don't get to travel so I don't know what it's like in metro systems outside of NYC. 😅)
@@samuelitooooo i'm not sure they necessarily mean significantly less thick walls--london's trains that use plug doors seem quite thick and sturdy. now the deep bore tube lines can get loud, but that's because they leave the windows open lmao. Loads of metro systems around the world use them (at home I know that BART's newer trains use them), and in every scenario that i know of plug doors they're significantly more quiet, and as we are discovering noise pollution is actually quite bad for you. Would definitely increase straphangers quality of life, that's for sure!
@@Aviation12 Yup, excessive volumes are damaging, but continuous sounds that are loud but not damaging are stressful. Also London deep tube trains don't have AC which is why the windows are open, right?
Aren't those outside sliding doors (which we also have here in NYC on the JFK AirTrain)? Looks like those take up more space than plug doors do (e.g. Elizabeth line train doors), albeit less than pocket doors. Because plug doors sit flush with the one wall you need, so those walls can be pushed all the way out.
@@samuelitooooo You're right that's exactly why they keep the windows open on the tube and it's STILL hot af lol.
and, yeah the deep bore tube ones might be sliding doors, which would mean the elizabeth line should be a lot quieter even when the Bakerloo line (for example) has its windows shut. I rode the Elizabeth line earlier this summer and it was quite quiet, I can confirm. Quieter than anything over here :( but I don't know how it'd compare to deep bore trains that didn't leave the windows open.
Plug doors will hit people, there is no personal space in New York
2:22
Perfect shot, double helicopters.. Amazing.
Agree with the new info screens to provide more information instead of ads. As far as the C/R making better announcements, until you have worked the job be aware that the complexity of more manual announcements on SMEE equipment doesn't provide better service. Considering that more than 50% of the ridership are self involved with headsets, phones, radios and other distractions or are non English speaking, they never hear or understand any of the announcements as is. We try our best to provide appropriate information but it is a frustrating effort. Walk a mile in our shoes to find out what I'm saying is true. I have 25 years experience with NYCT.
Talking about livery of trains, there's an A train that is decorated in the theme of A-Train from the show "The Boys". As a fan of the show I found that extremely fascinating and I was buzzing through out my short ride on it. The MTA should experiment with more livery designs particularly those of sports teams, as Chicago does with their sports themed garbage trucks.
Moquette seating is an icon of London's Rolling Stock. That, plus the lighting, would surely make for a cozy ride.
insane that they don't provide systemwide service changes on trains, where internet access is typically limited to find out myself. that's probably my strongest critique now. very often i'd be riding the 456 to transfer to the L only to find that it stopped running the moment i got underground
You are notified long before you enter the train and weeks in advance or even months
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 not really true. not all service changes are planned. the last major stall i experienced involved an L being held right before it pulled into the station for like 45 minutes. aside from the fact that i waited 45 minutes to board, the reason why wasn’t searchable, it wasn’t tweeted about on the alerts account, nor was anyone on the platform informed of what was going on. this is information that can be acquired and presented via this technology
The older trains uses fluorescent lighting vs led lighting for new trains.
I think they need cab side doors for the drivers and conductors like they have in London and here in Australia so the conductors can help passengers more when at stations also help with dwell times
That’s why I like MARTA. Though it’s ofc not as expansive the seat layout and the information displayed inside is really helpful and very well done. Plus they maintain it quite well
To shorten announcements, here is what I suggest:
At station: Brooklyn bound (4) train to Crown Hts, express stops only……..
Stand Clear.. Doors are closing
On the train: Next Stop: Fulton St, a wheelchair accessible station, for the World Trade Center, the Pearlman Arts Performing Center and interchange to (A, C, J, Z, 2 & 3) trains are available.
Entering Station: Fulton St, doors open right side
The advertisements have been on trains since the days of the Manhattan Els
I don't mind the plain stainless steel look of our subway trains on the outside. Personally (this is subjective), shape matters more to me than color. But if you want more color, although I prefer a R46/M3-style colored stripe, the best scenario is to have colored doors, which other train systems across the world, regional rail included, do on purpose for accessibility. (But also, many of those systems have riders open doors by pressing a button. Is there a reasonable application of this in the NYC subway? Otherwise the doors will always open automatically anyway, so does it really matter? lol)
For interiors, I feel like deinterlining would make it more practical to give some train services different features. For example, transverse seating is a better fit on the A and J than, say, the G and L. Also I'm personally a fan of cooler lights but they don't have to be bright.
Agreed 100% on information presentation. I'd really like for MTA to work on a new system of information relay/display (not talking about technology/electronics but the framework and details of what passengers should receive).
All full-length trains are actually two half-length trains linked together. Since they almost never have to split up, they should be converted to fixed 8/10-car sets by eliminating the cabs in the middle during their next refurbishment. Plus, regardless of ridership, only the 42nd St and Franklin Ave lines lack full-length platforms. The former can stay the way it is since there are planned 6-car sets dedicated for the shuttle and because it shares no tracks with any other line and the latter can be replaced by an underground section with full-length platforms and connect to the Crosstown Line. The Staten Island Railway has half-length platforms but again, dedicated rolling stock is planned.
My favorite ride is the 3. You get everything. You start at Harlem-148 St which might be my favorite station in the MTA(very hard spot to take though because 81 St-Museum of Natural History exists). It's both a station and a train yard, and it's kind of above and kind of underground. You depart and go through an interesting ground-level part before getting to the underground 145 St station. It's fun to ride in the back 5 cars because you go through a stop without the doors opening in your car or you even seeing the station. Once you get to 135 St, the fun begins. You go pretty fast on Malcolm X Blvd through a mostly straight tunnel, similar to the 1 Broadway Local. Then you get to 96 and the Broadway-7 Ave Express is suuuuper fast. Like 50-55mph in some of the fast parts like from 72 St to Times Square-42 St, and in other parts around 45. Whipping by stations at lightning speed like 59 St-Columbus Circle is the best. Fastest express in the system. When you get to Chambers it's not so good, between Chambers and Wall St it's slow and curved as heck. But then you fly under the East River at at least 40mph, maybe even 50. Eastern Parkway between Clark St and Franklin Ave-Medgar Evers College is okay, going at a speed of around 30-35mph, sometimes 15-20 through curvy bits like Clark St to Borough Hall. Seeing the 4/5 whiz by you is kinda cool though, on the 3 you get both the express experience in Manhattan and the local experience in Brooklyn. After Franklin and especially Utica, you pick up speed, solo track no Rogers Junction or anything to worry about. Best part is, you go aboveground. You see East New York, and although it may not be the best neighborhood to live in, it's cool to see nonetheless. Elevated trains are just like that. You get a clear view of the people, apartments, and businesses of East New York. Then you start to rise a bit, passing over Livonia Ave on the L train between Junius St and Pennsylvania Ave on the 3 train(If you look, you can see the next L train station in the Manhattan-bound direction, Sutter Ave, from the 3 train! Cool little bit of information, the stops are VERY close together). The landscape is nice all the way to New Lots, then you're done. Going back uptown I find it's even a bit better, just going a bit faster in most parts. The whole downtown ride 148-New Lots took me 57min, which is quite fast for a line that long. It's pretty quick in all parts except Chambers-Wall St and the ebismal Rogers Junction. Last but not least, connecting this long post to the video, you're doing all this in an R62A, which is certainly my favorite non-automated rolling stock and one of my favorites in general, only really being beaten by the R179 E trains, which I just think are so modern I just have to love them.
So Mystic, what's your favorite subway line to ride end-to-end? I'm inclined to think you'll say the 7. It's one of my favorites too, certainly has the best views, 3 is just the best overall experience for me, the hyper-speed and everything. Excited to hear what you have to say! Great video.
just an idea would also be to indicate local and express service on trains by diffrent train designs for example diffrent colors used for all local and another one for all express services so that navigating the complicated system becomes a bit easier.
you could also reflect that design in navigation apps, maps and so on
may be a bit but still better navigation is something new york could improove greatly on
Great vid!
Thanks!
After watching the Mets game yesterday I took the subway back to a hotel in Flushing (where I stayed before returning home) and noticed the R188 had doors that weren't perfectly across from each other (unlike the SNEE trains and R160/79). I would fix that...it becomes much harder to implement platform screen doors with these kinds of doors.
5:28 I always thought if u took the color of the train itself and put it in a strip it would be appealing without doing too much. For example, a 1 train could have a red strip along side. While a 7 train can have a purple strip.
Or like the strips on the 4 and 5 line. Doing something like that can greatly improve the look of the cars.
Or do what the MBTA did which is paint the car red on the lower body, white at the windows, and grey on the roof for the 1, 2, & 3 Trains; similarly purple, white, and grey for the 7 Train; and with similar livery for the other trains.
I remember when the 125th Street subway station still had the original 1904 wood platforms and roofs.
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I disagree with your comment about having conductors make "better announcements" and list "points of interest" As a former conductor we are told to keep it per the "blue book" which makes straight to the point announcements, we are not paid any extra to let these passengers know where the empire state building is. We are not paid any extra to hold passengers hands. And you try and make announcements for over 150 stops on one tour and lets see how enthusiastic you sound as your day comes to an end. You should be thankful they''re still conductors on the trains and earning a paycheck because believe me if the MTA had their way the'd eliminate conductors from ALL subway lines!
Aside from the issues you have with the information screens, MysticTransit (I agree with said issues, BTW, and wish that we could have the same info screens on our subway trains here in Toronto), I have no big problem with the NYCTA trains (and since graffiti's [probably] still a problem, I wouldn't be as eager to get rid of the stainless steel ones like you want.)
I say just wrap the subway cars with different colors. If they graffetti it, just pull the wrap off. Give the NTT some nosogia looks of the old train designs, (red, blue, green, white, etc).
i personally love the look of the arnies and Lo-vs, the dark greens and blacks are such a classy choice, and the golden city of New York painted on the sides really feels like the cherry on top
The LA MetroRail KinkiSharyo P3010 actually has screens that display stations and Transfer and place of interest information
i was fortunate enough to travel in HK
its still get ugly packed, but the reliability and efficiency is amazing!
Also don’t forget the R188 which runs on the 7 line which uses 11 cars.
I think the dark tunnels are a missed opportunity for advertising, and showing off artwork, and they should make the windows bigger to show it.
I don't understand why they never introduced the larger train doors they talked about.
Many station still lack accessibility for the disabled, and there should be platform gates to make them safe.
Wifi and restrooms should be at every station and on every train.
All this should be paid for with corporate taxes, since they benefit the most by having a more productive work force. More elaborate visual advertising like movie trailers would justify charging more for advertising to help keep the fair price down.
PATH PA5s are a great example of what the NTTs could look like. They’re similar to what the MTA’s NTTs look like (Maybe R142A/R160 mix) but they look better due to the their design!
MTA should hire this guy
I'm not into the cozy lights on the older trains since I doze off with warm lights. I am welcome for the points of interest on the PA.
One thing I would like to see is the train to announce other trains that are approaching the station. This is similar to how the stations announce approaching trains. This is useful for people who are thinking about transferring to an express train.
actually i thought of your videos on the announcements when you said we thought about the smee announcements
There used to be a Conductor on the D train, back in the 80's, who did exactly what you are calling for...Welcome Aboard the Dynamite D Express...Have an Amazing Day" MTA ordered him to STOP doing his announcements, saying it was "confusing"...
Do the NET's have the ability to broadcast announcements from the side like buses?Maybe announcements can be pre recorded that way.
I go along with you on the seating arrangements. It is more relaxing to be able to look out the window rather than staring at the people sitting on the other side or looking at the ads above. Also, why do trains to Coney Island say they are going to Stillwell Avenue? This makes absolutely no sense. It just makes life more difficult for visiting passengers. Who thinks of these things?
Hey mystic have u always thought of making your own nyc subway game the reason I say this is because u be great at it cause the way think and your suggestions that u make
About screens in trains. Moscow Metro has screens that show city's and metro's news, different activities or just a couple interesting facts about Moscow
Commenting about the train announcements. I was taking the 6 to work and the train operator ended each station announcements with “and remember stay positive and test negative.”
Would be nice to see a red bird heritage wrap on the A-division fleet
The problem with the announcements is that they were voiced around 1999 for the A Division and 2005 for the B Division. While they worked well back then, much has changed over the last 20 years, and that has resulted in the announcements being spliced together in a messy and incoherent manner. For example, Select Bus Service didn't exist back then, but was introduced later, so it had to be added to the announcements. It's probably time to start from scratch with the announcements.
The transfers need to be announced all at once, with subway transfers coming first, followed by select bus service or bus routes serving airports. Nowadays, the bus transfers are just randomly spliced in. Connections should be listed after that. And then stations with a major attraction or point of interest nearby should announce that. For example, for an E train arriving at 34th Street Penn Station:
This is 34th Street Penn Station, transfer is available to the A and C trains, and the M34 and M34A Select Bus Service. Connection is available to Long Island Rail Road, New Jersey Transit, and Amtrak. Exit here for Madison Square Garden.
The interior screens on the R211s need to display station information for the next stop, such as what car of the train you are in, where the exits are, and what transfers are available and where in the station are they located. I wonder if this could be retrofitted onto other new tech trains like the R142s or R160s.
I am mixed on the design, I don't mind the bare stainless steel but I think my idea for some of the trains livery is to add more dark red striping to the IRT NTTs, wrap the rest of the NTT's on the BMT with the "Cuomo Wrap", ironically I think the interiors on the older cars are ugly mainly the seats and the lighting is too dim.
One idea I can think of is have some of the seats ROTATE into transverse during off peak and longitudinal during rush hour.
Not going to lie but I agree with you for like the screen advertisement I also draw kind of like an r160B and a diagram advertisements say where it goes moving on advertisements diagrams
Advertising screens are going to do 2 things, decrease costs as they are easier to change than paper, and likely increasing advertising rates. But yeah, it would be nice if they utilized more dynamic screens for service related info on the trains, rather than just for ads.
You have a nice Railfanning experience
intresing i learn alot
Have you seen the Marc Jacob's car. I wonder if we will see more like them.
MTA could literally replace all of the ad space with digital screens, dedicate some of them for active service changes, and pair some of them with the AIS. R179 Sub is crazy though lmao.
The NTT's all looking fairly similar is, I guess, a design choice meant to keep it from being really obvious to the casual rider if they're on a train that's 20 years old or 20 weeks old. Unfortunately, the look is really dated, which makes sense when you consider it was finalized in the late '90s and then not really updated ever again. Even their cousins the PA5's on the PATH look slightly better just by having a little bit more color added, with the royal blue end caps and seats (of course those trains also have screens built in that never displayed any useful service info...first they ran ads, and now they've been totally blank for years). The problem with committing to a look the way the MTA has is this: When do you admit it's time to move in a new direction? The R211s are the first significant departure we've seen and it's long overdue, but I think it doesn't go far enough. And I agree: open gangways are long overdue, and for people who will be on the train a long time, having a mix of transverse and longitudinal seating would be a welcome change, I think.
I like the new trains' lighting. It is not like a hospital.
i want the redbirds back, or at least a modern version of it with the classic red paint.
One thing you tend to overlook is most overseas systems were built much later than NYC's system. Also, except for the IND, they were built and run by private companies. NYCT tends to be somewhat resistant to new technology, which was surprising when they went to NTT's in the late 1990s and early 2000s. I, as a motorman, was surprised as well.
Stop resisting new technologies
@@qjtvaddict tell that to the powers that be that run the MTA
What u think about the 211t to stop surfing?
Any idea when open gangway subway cars will come to NYC. This is just another thing that’s been floated about and yet to be realized. The subway system is so frustratingly behind smh.
MTA likely won’t bring back transverse seating because it’s only present on 75ft cars and they are being replaced by 60ft
New subway cars definitely would have to move to outside-mounted doors. It would alow for huge panoramic windows. And honestly you don't know what you're missing if you've never sat in one of those. Not that important underground in Manhattan, but in the outer boroughs most definitely.
On the screen showing exit of station, i think it will be hard to do so, after all the same screen have to show all those transfer, station etc. I mean they can add more screen but there wouldn't be enough space. On to the Auto PA, if it is too fast, some might can't hear it because of the speed, I do have to say, the MTA *do* want to improve, but they are just too poor.
I think a whole other issue is the noise the wheels produce, it’s absolutely horrible when trains approach with that extremely loud squeaky noise. I really wish the trains were more silent because over time it can cause hearing damage.
We should take a page out of London’s book when it comes to the subway trains.
I can understand how the R188 wasn't on the 1-11 list on 0:12 . Part of the R142A class type except some were converted with C-cars that's on the 7. Although, I can say for the 7 in Manhattan, the maps are useful with annoucements, Queens bound. It lets riders if it's a local train or express train so, they know what train they are on mostly, the rush hour.
R44 on the Staten Island Railway
@@KawasakiR211S not a part of the subway
1:33 Those screens belong to OUTFRONT, not the MTA, so of course they will be filled with ads that make OUTFRONT money, not MTA notifications.
The unpainted cars is to save money and to prevent vandalism.
0:11 so we are just going to pretend that the R44s don’t exist. I’m not going to mention anything about the 211 missing from this list since the order isn’t complete
Being form the UK, considering how much cozier the S7/S8 stocks are, NYC should just import a couple an see the commuter's reaction to that style.
You mean the ones on Metropolitan line. I'm not sure if you can send them over D & Q trains Manhattan Bridge
The reason why the screens only display things such as advertisements and mundane information is because they are not dynamic and videos have to be loaded in via a USB every time to change what is displayed. The content is made ahead of time and cannot be changed without having to take the train out of service. It would be nice if we had real time information that is linked to the app at the very least, but alas that is technology for the far future perhaps after the entire system acquires cellular service.
yes
Why not do this get Alstom Metropolis Platform then spawn two versions from it an IRT and BMT/IND sized? Remember the late 1940s-1960s this was a common practice with BMT/IND R10 being shrunk to spawn R12 IRT R16 becomes R21 22 17 IRT Trains R27/30 these became the IRT R26 33 ML 33WF 36ML and R36WF. *Hint these became the museum train IRT versions of R10 27/30 & R16 TOMC while the BMT/IND versions TOMM*
The screens you're talking about that's in the Stations also show Subway service information They are displayed for probably 30 seconds but they still have to have advertisements to keep it running. Does anybody really pays attention to them that's an another story. It's show info on the lines at the Station escalator and elevator info
Color is nice but I prefer brighter lighting in ntts but the bluebird and brons and teal and porange brown s better and quick announcements is good and better signage just look at the LIRR, Metro north. , and Amtrak, s colorful cars and the mya ss colorful buses
Hmm.
The MTA did its due diligence designing the NTT cars.
Antenna Designed the cars to move riders efficiently and quickly.
The cars were,for its time, able to do exactly what it was built for..not entertain riders.
I cannot fault the MTA for doing what it was able to do with car design.
The earlier models had less technical bells and whistles,yet worked just fine for years on end.
nyct isn't London transport..
Operates more services than they do.
While I'm with you on the lack of Information features on the older NTT cars, the 211s will address some of those issues.
Also,the so called ideal setting arrangement has been under scrutiny .
The PATH cars had a seating set up with more transverse setting near the ends of the cars and longitudinal seats near the doors.
Obviously, this didn't work out since they refurbished the PA rolling stock with all longitudinal seating.
Even the newest cars came in with those types of interiors, with no plans for changing.
The older rolling stock of the NYCT did have transverse seating, from the R1 to R16s.
Then the R44 to 68a.
The problem was they weren't able to carry more standbys than the other cars, so R27s up to the R42s carried all longitudinal seating.
Changes Could be done to car design, more than we see at the moment...with More information centers...which is what the 211s will have
Be patient.
Things take time to change.
Also the bright interior of the new cars are purposely built that way to discouraged sleeping and other activities
Interesting.
I 100% agree with all you said!!! It's NYC and the rolling stock looks beyond dated and bland. Its NYC!!! it deserves much better.