Should It Be Reactivated? | The Rockaway Beach Branch Explained!
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- In this video, I talk about The Rockaway Beach Branch, what it is, and if it should be a priority for the MTA to reactivate it.
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They need it! The Q53/52 sbs is extremely overcrowded and people do not want to take the local Q11/21. This would be a great way to relieve them Q53/52 buses from being packed to the brim
Q21*
Q11/21 run every 30 minutes!!!!
I always thought that the Rockaway beach branch should be reactivated for the LIRR. But I'd rather have the branch line used for the subway than the LIRR. And besides the M, they could use the G as well. And have the turn the Rockaway park shuttle back into the H train&have that run on the Queens blvd line&terminate at the upper level of Roosevelt Avenue, and that'll do.
Yes. Definitely revive this line. Much of Queens remains a transit desert and, as a resident of Northeast Queens, I can definitely attest to this!
In case the powers that be have failed to notice: the population of Queens continues to grow and just as importantly, so too does job growth, meaning fewer people commuting to Manhattan, a trend that will only grow, not diminish.
It needs to be reactivated as soon as possible. It would be essential for the people living in Southern Queens and the Rockaways! The population keeps growing and more cars, more traffic. Reactivate now!
I think the M should be sent down there to provide a one seat ride to Manhattan in order to provide an alternative to the A.
Agreed - this is another situation which could be potentially mediated more - the Rockaways traffic backups.
@@TMC_BC This would be ideal - I hope @MTA is watching these comments & taking notes.
@@JaredVonBaren Even better, if we untangled the service patterns of the B-Division of the Subway, we could achieve 4 minute headways on this branch. Though the best option in my opinion is to operate the 63rd Street Tunnel as it was intended and build the Queens Bypass Line connecting to it, with a branch on the Rockaway Beach Branch. This would be a true competitor to the A train.
@@TMC_BC This. Did I just see a solution for Metro NY?! Holy shit.
Great video, I'm always one to say, the more transit, the better. Speaking of Far Rockaway, it dumbfounds me that they never thought to move the Far Rockway LIRR to Mott Ave to make it less of a walk getting from one train to the other. Now they're building apartment buildings across from the A train station, (Cool, transit oriented development). But that land could have been a major hub, looking simular to Long Beach LIRR.
Major construction is going on over there
@@kinggadm1234 I know, they’re building apartments. Probably ridiculously expensive.
@@WiseAssGamer most likely, however the area has been neglected for years. It’s right on the water, and should be treated as prime real estate. Hopefully apartments will have atleast 30% affordable
@@kinggadm1234 Far rockaway is a dump :lol:.
Far Rockaway Mott Av and the current LIRR terminal several blocks away were at one time one continuous connected route that was severed.
i honestly say is that they can extend the rockway shuttle to the A line then on the rockway beach branch making all stops until Matawok. They could change it back to the H train after this. Also, they should reactivate the Woodhaven Junction stop on the lirr branch so easy access from the H train to the Lirr.
Reactivation seems like a good idea, but this video is kind of hard to follow with the repetetive video footage. This would be better with more maps included, so that it would be easier to see where the tracks (both existing and proposed) would go.
Thank you for posting. This is very well narrated and captures many historical facts with regards to the Rockaway Transit lines. The narrator provides significant historical information dating back to the 19th century and it's inception of the lines. There is indeed a great deal of History from its inception to transfers of ownership and consideration of many of the plans that he discusses. The plans of reactivating the branch and providing extra connections is indeed a project definitely worthwhile. Sadly, however it all boils down to the availability of funding! Funding and the exorbitant cost of construction tend to defer or diminish interest by officials on these projects. Right now there is consideration being given to revival of a Bay ridge Queens project which are connect queens and Brooklyn without traveling into Manhattan that may be more realistic. However, it boils down to the state of the economy, the politics, and of course simply the availability of funding. I would love to see both of these projects come to fruition and provide extra Transit options for people in Brooklyn and Queens. we shall see and look forward to hearing more. Thanks again for the interesting video and the great footage of the A and S trains.
Awesome vid!!! In the future, it would be nice if you used more maps throughout the video to show exactly which lines you are talking about. I think it would be easier to watch for the viewer.
Noted!
You absolutely need to cover the Nostrand Avenue 2/5 extension proposals and the Utica Avenue 4 line extension/proposed subway lines. Living in that section of Brooklyn my entire life has made those two + Triboro/Interborough holy grails of subway extension projects and I always like to hear takes on them.
As for the subject of this video, it feels like such a no-brainer too since Queens (especially the northeastern section) really really **really** needs more coverage in general so you aren't just shit outta luck if you don't want to leave trains for slower and far more congested buses and their routes for simple swaps. +1 for more map usage in the videos as well, it's really good to visualize and build ideas out in my head too!
I'll definitely consider making a video on the proposed 2/3/4/5 Extensions in Brooklyn.
Also, I've been trying to up the production quality of my videos, and a good way to do that is to use the maps.
Utica *#3* extension. The local tracks curve south like Nostrand
I’d say the 2nd tier after those three should be Lafayette Ave east and Franklin to Bedford-Nostrand Aves
It would be good for you to make a video on extending the R Train to Staten Island and connecting it to the S.I.R.R. As part of the 1929 plan, a bell-mouth was constructed close to 59thStreet on the BMT 4th avenue line. Connect the R train into Staten Island would reduce traffic on the Verrazano's Bridge and help people to get to work faster into NYC and benefit those that don't have cars. Another idea is to extend the #1 Train to Saint George Staten Island (Tunnel) and possibly connect that into the S.I.R.R.? Or maybe both? R train into S.I.R.R. and #1 Train into the north shore abandoned tracks that lead all the way from ST. George to Port Ivory.
I think it should connect to important parts of the city because that'll definitely give it more of a purpose. I honestly feel like it's better to have to reactivate this a priority on top of the Interborough Express to not only give more options to riders but also to reduce congestion. As always, another great video! :)
Yeah, thinking after the fact, there is another way to have it run into Manhattan without causing issues on QBL.
Run it along 53 St with the (E/F) to 8 Av, then down to WTC. If that can't happen, run it along 63 St, with a new connection to the 53 St Line after 57 St.
Absolutely needs to be reactivated! Would make rides from Rockaway into Midtown quite a bit more straightforward!
After a huge fire on the wooden trestle over Jamaica Bay in 1950, The LIRR re-routed Rockaway Park services via Valley Stream (50+ miles). They also cut service beyond Hamilton Beach.
The reroute through Valley Stream was more like 15-20 miles not 50. This continued until October 1955 when the LIRR service was cut back to Far Rockaway and Ozone Park to allow the conversion of the line to subway operation which began on June 28, 1956. The remaining LIRR service to Ozone Park station ended on June 8, 1962 never to return.
Just found your channel! Great content and very helpful to me as I'm still somewhat new to NYC and trying to learn all of the fascinating history of the NYC subway system.
I'm glad you are able to learn some of the History about this city's amazing Subway System from me! I plan to continue creating good videos going over the History, Niche Information, along with the future of the system!
The next time your in the city take a ride on the 6 train towards the Bklyn Bridge station (that's the last stop). Once the train terminates just stay on it because eventually it will go around a round a bout like. As the train is circling, you will see the ol' City Hall train station. It's "pretty amazing"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also you have the two transit museum's as well. The "BIG" one in downtown Bkyn and the mini one in Grand Central but the bigger one gives you a lot more history of the system though. "Hope this info was helpful"
Just subscribed, even though I live in Denver now it reminds me of my childhood in NYC and how I used to love all the trains. Keep it up man!
Thanks for the sub! Definitely will continue to make these types of videos!
I would definitely want more of these videos!
O thank you for this wonderful essay.... I see you have other great stuff for me to watch!!!!
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Thanks for the detailed history of Rockaway and Far Rockaway.
I think you should do video about rebuilding the Third Avenue El in the Bronx, which can be connected with the SAS at 125th Street, which can serve as a Q train extension. It's sad that the MTA and the government keeps neglecting the Bronx. The MTA should have included extending SAS to the Bronx in their current plan. Third Avenue is more underserved by mass transit than the East Side of Manhattan below 59th Street and the BX 15 bus doesn't do any justice.
I've been thinking about this for a while, and instead of an all-new line, service can be replicated using the Metro-North Harlem Line, and converting it into Regional Rail.
TBH Though, I would love to see an SAS Branch into the Bronx, but I think we both know that it would cost way too much. It's a shame that major parts of the Bronx are underserved by Public Transportation, and the parts that are served, have extremely slow buses that always get caught in traffic. (I'm looking at you Bx4, 5, 15, 19, 40, & 41)
Another idea is routing into the never used Roosevelt Avenue upper level station which was built for a route to Rockaway.
Fun fact about the LIRR RBB, for a period in the 10s or 20s, it did have subway service as well. BMT Broadway line trains would connect via a no longer existing connection to the Atlantic Branch and out to Rockaway.
Pragmatically, the LIRR might be the best bet here. Reconnecting the branch to the LIRR mainline in Rego Park would be simple, and run it down to Howard Beach for the airport. Would probably be the most cost effective way, and while not a subway fare, the upcoming expansion of cityticket would make it cheaper than express busses or current LIRR zone 1/3 fares.
Great video as always.
Wow... interesting fact... Do you have any links about this?
Yes, it would alleviate so much overcrowding in the Manhattan lines
I agree, it would avoid people having to travel into Manhattan, only to transfer to a train that takes them back into Queens. We need more radial lines in the city.
@@MysticTransit Absolutely agree - cross-path (criss-cross) tracks are fine, if everywhere is SUPER super densely populated, like Downtown Manhattan, but not all the boroughs are like that. Some are actually quite large & spread out. This would also increase the buildout along the lines for commercial & residential purposes, & goodness knows we need housing like mad!
Interesting how most if not all SBS’s that aren’t crosstowns (B82, M14, Bx12, etc) are _curiously_ where subway/rail lines were or should be
They also are where former Trams/Streetcars used to run. It's basically the MTA's attempt at running a BRT Line down a Streetcar corridor.
M14 runs on top of the L train which is underneath 14th Street. If you dig up 14th Street and 7th Avenue L train is below the West Side IRT Line at that location
I like these videos with considerations. Also, what if you reviewed rain-fan plans? Like, it would be cool to extend the L from canarsie down Flatlands ave as a new el, and make the 2/5 extend down flatbush.
Great video! Informative & interesting. As a former New Yorker, the MTA should reconsider activation of the line as the citizens of Queens where the line will travel will benefit, not to mention economic impact 😉. Thank you for posting this and other videos and all the best.
Hook staten Island NY up to Brooklyn NY under ground tunnel to Brooklyn NY to staten island NY
Your video is fantastic and new idea to build and connected forest hills to far rockaway or rockaway Park lines I hope they put H train back.
Yes I would like more info towards an extension with utica avenue line and a queens blvd extention for the M and R train.
Good to know!
That line would be a great addition and the stops I could see north of Rockaway Blvd on that 99st trestle would be Jamaica Ave with transfer to the J, Myrtle Ave next to Victorty Field in Forest Park, Metropolitan Ave then curves to either 71st Continental or to either 61st street Woodside and the 7 train/LIRR
I kind of agree making it a separate subway line. A piece of me however would like to see an branch off the F Train using that provision they build for the Queens Super Xpress. I'd even go as far as to say built the QSX and link to The RBL and get railcars capable of running on both CBTC with FRA-Compliant PTC so it can share tracks with LIRR. Yeah I'm being extreme.
Another line that can go to LaGuardia and actually connecting both airports if not indirectly through the JFK Airtrain ( which was the original plan for the Airtrain, top serve both airports from Manhattan.
(I'm not a New York resident) Possibly a rail connection from JFK airport to La Guardia using the existing operating section of the Rockaway branch, plus reopening the old section to the junction at Rego Park. Then using existing rails of the LIRR towards the rail junction at Elmhurst, then head north along the proposed Interborough connection to 31st st. Build the next section along the Brooklyn Queens expressway East, then along the median strip of the Grand Central parkway to La Guardia. Shouldn't be all that disruptive to construct and would provide about 14.5 miles of cross town travel, along with a car-free connection between airports.
That was my proposal for the "A". The connection to the Rockaways should be severed and completely dismantle. in it place should be the G line. Since they already call it cross Brooklyn and Queens, this setup fits well. But a transfer could be made btw the A and G at a new built "Rockaway Junction" station.
What they should do is from Rego Park create a Junction Blvd subway to connect to LaGuardia Airport, Rikers Island (as its being redeveloped) and The Bronx, the Interborough Express can also use the Queens-Bronx Tunnel to bypass the Hell Gate Bottleneck
I remember the H train . That expansion makes sense . Queens needs that. Would love to see the triboro Rx as a subway line not as light or commuter rail . Hopefully it would connect provisions to the Bronx.
I was thinking about the connection with the LIRR branch at Far Rockaway, This is a much better idea and seems very workable since the ROW is intact.
Curious if you are aware that by diverting the M train south at Rego Park, this frees capacity at Forest Hills, allowing for the return of G train service to run once again from Park Slope to Forest Hills. And, if you were unaware of this “perk,“ if that changes your support for a New line running north-south only from Rego Park to the Rockaways? So basically with QueensLink you’re getting two reactivations for the price of one.
I do understand that it frees capacity at Forest Hills, however, it would also make the (M) Route excessively long.
The only way bringing the M to Rockaway makes sense is if the western terminus of delancey/Essex Street is made permanent and service from middle village is cut. Even then, it still doesn't seem feasible.
A friend of mine suggested that the sending the (G) along the rockaway beach branch would be nice, since the (G) barely goes into queens
Bring back the 3rd avenue elevated line which will be called the number 8 train
Absolutely in agreement here. Select Bus Service on the Q52 and Q53 made service faster (and is my favorite SBS line in the city now) but didn't make a significant impact on crowding, even with articulated buses.
I think that the Queens connections to Elmhurst, Jackson Heights (!!), and Astoria might be as important, if not more, than the one-seat ride to Manhattan. So in response to you saying the M shouldn't serve the RBB, what if we merged the R, as per one of your deinterlining proposals, with the M by connecting Chrystie St or thereabouts to the Broadway local? Then you can send one of the deinterlined Queens Blvd local services along the RBB (in whatever form it takes, whether it's extending the G again or bringing back the V to cover for the orange M). Also, Fresh Pond Yard!
I would take it further and extend the M at the Middle Village end to LaGuardia, forming a loop line.
This needed to be done like yesterday...queens is so deprived of subway service..queens has an abundance of parks and this project can bring both..let's get this done!!!
Having recently moved from The Rockaways to Georgia and being raised riding the subway in my youth, I really want a lot of these proposals to fall through, especially in the Rockaways, since it's a pain in the ass to travel from there to any part of Queens without having to go through Brooklyn and Manhattan on the train or taking a slow and often overcrowded bus through the horrendous traffic.
Also you would have to cut back M service too and send it to 96st. The V would go via 63 st and go local from 36st to 63rd drive. Woodhaven Blvd would have to be converted into an express station since it's wide enough.
The northern end should connect at Forest Hills rather than Rego Park. Because the former is an express station unlike the latter which is a local station so transfers would be easier. Also, the M and R trains short-turn at Forest Hills due to low ridership further east and they’re able to do so due to a pair of pocket tracks between the lower-level yard lead tracks. So those can become the new connection to the Rockaway Beach Line. Also, the line was double-tracked until where the Fulton St Elevated runs perpendicular and has a connection. After that, the line is quad-tracked but only the outer local tracks are currently in use and the express tracks have been deactivated, making them unusable. Since the number of tracks which there’s room for changes at the perfect section, the Fulton St Line can continue as the local tracks and the Rockaway Beach Line as the express tracks or vice-versa. Due to it’s connection to the airport, Howard Beach-JFK Airport can be converted to an express station and due to the lack of space for four tracks, the express tracks can run above the local tracks and there can be an infill station called Hammels where the Rockaway Line splits. One branch can become the continuation of the express tracks and the other can be a continuation of the local tracks.
Living in Central Queens the only changed train line I'd like would be if the 7 managed to hit Bayside or something. Can't imagine it could happen but would be cool.
I think they should send the G train to rockaway park via Queens Blvd line
I would like to see some additional lines to add to the B-2 Division to reach areas where there are no rapid transit lines. Your plans are idealistic, coming to you from another railroad buff.
It would be a great idea if they combined the reactivation of the Rockaway Beach branch into a subway to connect the Roosevelt Avenue station that was never completed to it. It will cost billions of dollars, but the majority of the money will come from the US government; so, what’s the issue? The remainder of the 2nd Avenue subway can wait. The last stop is going to be Lex Av & 125th St (4/5/6).
While I love the highline... It's amazing where there is little space and no park, in Queens there is a ton of space and enough parks, but little transit. It's a no brainer.
Regarding one seat issue, as long as the scheduling at the terminus of the new line is set up that there is ALWAYS a train available, why not, just make it on the same platform, and automate the system already, as you point out, we will all be probably dead by the time that comes around.
South Ozone Park is located at Lefferts Boulevard from the main "A" train stop of Ozone Park.
I think that the Rockaway Beach Branch will transform to a park just like a High Line or they will have a Queens Link which is like the light rail.
I walked that line with my camera years ago. Now there are chain link fences and other barriers. People get nervous when they see someone up there and call the cops or worse yet, take matters in their own hands. I still walk around the area but from the street. Live another day.
I think it should be reactivated as part of the Subway network
I fully agree with that opinion.
If this is every built the H train should come back. Running from Rockaway park to 74th street upper level
What if they actually went through with the project and extended the (G) down that way? QBL is already in the process of CBTC and ATO and for that matter so is IND Culver. And that’s more one-seat rides to Manhattan.
The (G) would be too long of a line at that point, plus, you'd just over congest QBL Lcl.
My proposal:
C to Lefferts, shuttle at night
A to Far Rockaway, all times
NEW SERVICE: Forest Hills - Rockaway Branch - Rockaway Line - Rockaway Park
Sadly there is interlining with this
There should be a New H line going the same line as the (E) but QBL local, then it would Branch off to the rockaways. The (E) would also be QBL local, the (M) would run to 125th Street-2nd Av, to Middle Village, an SAS line would take over the (M) on QBL via 63rd and QBL exp. The new SAS line would run to Jamaica Center. The (E) would run to Forest Hills. This is post SAS phase 3 btw
Definitely like most of Queenslink.
My own idea would be, instead of a subway, create a new set of multiple-unit lines (think Stadler FLIRTs) that run along a reactivated Rockaway Beach Branch, along with Crossboro and the Lower Montauk Branch.
Have it so those new lines, along with all LIRR City Terminal Lines, are price matched to a single subway swipe.
And just like that, you’ve eliminated a whole bunch of transit deserts in NYC
Good idea. I kinda want that for the Interboro Express.
I was just thinking about how this LIRR would be like around the same time this was uploaded
Great content & narration. Like others said: use more maps. Taking a wild shot now: you are related to DJ Hammer
I'll definitely take the maps into consideration. And no, I am not related to DJ Hammers.
Great channel and content bro
Glad you enjoy it!
Would love to hear your thoughts on. Utica Ave
Isn't it entirely too cold to go swimming at this time of year?
I like the idea of the H and K but I was thinking they could just extend the S to Rego Park so there wouldn’t be any trouble of deciding a new line
I can see two options:
A) To integrate the Rockaway Shuttle with the internal H designation! The H train would operate from Rockaway Park - Beach 116th St through the Rockaway Branch to the QBL. It would remain local throughout the QBL and run via the 63rd St Line. After 57th St/6th Ave, new bell mouths would connect to the E line at 7th ave/53rd St. The H would run express to WTC. One of the benefits is at 36th st, where passengers can get on to 21st St - Queensbridge, Roosevelt Island, Lex-63rd St, and 57th St, without having passengers to backtrack. At 63rd St-Rego Park, a new lower level would be built underneath the current platforms. A shuttle would only operate between Rego Park and Rockaway Park during late nights without interfering with regular service. This also prevents trains from entering at different lines at Rego Park without causing delays.
B) To bring back the discontinued V line. Just like the recent interest in extending the M line to Rockaway Park, in my opinion, is just dumb. The M line already goes in an almost-complete loop from Forest Hills to Metropolitan Ave. The V line would operate from Rockaway Park to Rego Park ( a newly built platform underneath the current platforms) along the QBL into the 63rd St tunnels. Like option A, it would exercise the same operation; however, instead of branching off of 57th st/6th Ave to the E line at 7th Ave/53rd St, the V line would run express down 6th Ave and end at 2nd Ave; its former terminal.
*If option B is considered, then maybe the V can come back and replace the M line along QBL. The M would go back to the brown M and run to Bay Parkway along the D line as it did before the MTA financial crisis in the 2010 service cuts!
During late nights, either have the V/H continue operation or have their terminals at the lower level of Rego Park Station, only operating as a Rockaway Park Shuttle along the branch!
Feel free to comment and tell me what do you guys think!
I was thinking something similar to option B but there would be major changes on QBL.
(E) WTC - 179 St Full Express on QBL using express tracks beyond 71st Av
(F) Coney Is - Jamaica Center via the Culver Express tracks in the underground section. Queens Blvd Local via 63rd St making all stops
(R) Bay Ridge 95th-179th St via 59th St and QBL local. Makes all stops to 179th St
(V) 6 Av Local via 53rd St, QBL Express, Culver Local. Church Av - Rockaway/116th. Cutting the line to Lwr East Side- 2nd Av is also an option. This line can have two options in queens:
1) (F) to Run express via 53rd St and extend (G) to local tracks with (R) to 179th St. (V) to run via 63rd St but running via the LIRR past 21 St. it would make stops at woodside then curve down to serve the Rockaway Line via the unused LIRR. No conversion of Woodhaven Blvd in this plan.
2) (V) via 53rd and with conversion of Woodhaven to express stop, (V) would curve off express tracks past Woodhaven to serve the Rockaway beach branch. (F) and (R) local in this option.
(M) Metropolitan Av to Broad St via Nassau St Line. Extension via west end to Bay Pkwy should be considered with (D) running peak direction express on that line between 9 Av and Bay Pkwy.
The Queens Blvd changes are made to eliminate the possible delays with a local train currently the (M) crossing between the local and express tracks at Queens plaza. Even if the (V) would curve off the line at woodhaven, it wouldn’t cause as many delays as a local train going via 53rd St. the IND 53rd St Line in both proposals would carry only Express trains.
Also, the culver line would have full express service on weekdays with the (F) or (V) to Coney Island and the other running local to Church Av with the (G) this would improve operations on the Culver line while still giving local passengers a one seat ride to the city
Better idea take over the port Washington to the subway then connect the tracks to the 63rd street line and after woodside add a spur to the rockaway beach line have all 6th ave local trains go to port Washington and Rockaway beach. (F) to great neck/port Washington and (M) to rockaway beach . A new (K) replaces (F) on the queens Blvd express and (G) replaces (M) on the local.
Option A seems like the best of the options presented here.
I like option B especially bringing back the brown M. Connecting Boro Park and Park Slope to the Wall Street and Williamsburg area would be a dream come true.
@@TheRailLeaguer I would say a good option for the MTA to exercise would be to bring full-time service to the Z line. The Z train would operate past Broad St, through the Montague St Tunnel, along 4th Ave as a local train to Bay Pkwy. Instead of bringing back the brown M and jeopardizing the trips for people along Myrtle Avenue losing the one-seat ride to Midtown Manhattan, The J/Z already head downtown. The Z train would act a lot like the brown M. Plus, West End Line already has way too many stations, and although the D train is express in Manhattan and along 4th Ave (also expressed in the Bronx during Rush-Hours in the peak direction), it still has to run locally in the Bronx and in Brooklyn.
I say extend the Nassau Street Line to Bay Parkway. When the Z does not operate during Late-Nights, extend the J line past Broad St to 9th Ave (lower-level). Another benefit for this is that riders from Coney Island Area will have extra service, and a local train will be added to 4th Ave, increasing service and helping R line service. Because at this point, D and N are the only express lines, and the R is all-time local, which causes issues, and the R line is relatively slow.
To enhance service for the 4 main lines that operate to Coney Island [D, F, N, Q], the best thing to improve service along each line would be to do the following:
1) Add the Z (local all other times, and express during Peak-Directions) to Bay Pkwy along the West End Line. During Late-Nights, J trains operate to 9th Ave.
With an intermediate stop at New Utrecht Ave (rebuild the station with island platforms) and 86th St - Gravesend (rebuild the station with island platforms).
2) Add the W along the Sea Beach Line to 86th St - Gravesend. The W would operate locally along 4th Ave & Sea Beach, while the N service will be Sea Beach Express. No W service during Late-Nights.
3) Extend the G Train to Kings Hwy. This would enhance the Culver Line because the F train can operate express from Bergen St (lower level reactivation) to Church Ave. Increases F service, and G trains won't cause delays at Church Ave.
4) Add a new K service going Crosstown from Court Sq to Bedford-Nostrand Avs and then along the Franklin Ave Line to Brighton Beach. This would benefit in many ways as the provisional expansion intended the Franklin Ave Line to operate past Franklin Ave to Bedford-Nostrands Avs, with an intermediate stop at Gates Ave. Another reconstruction would occur by making one long station between Park Place and Botanic Garden (without losing the Botanic Garden connection to the IRT Eastern Pkwy Line). The K line would operate local along the Brighton Line to Brighton Beach. This helps during late nights when the B service does not operate, so the K can add extra service along this line.
The newest proposal is the Queens Link and works. Would connect people, provide economic opportunity and take cars of the street.
YES!!! Reactivate ASAP. The Woodhaven/Cross Bay Blvd Corridor buses are always crowded and Eastern/Central Queens are always starved for more rapid transportation
Videos about new projects !! Yes !! Aarre Peltomaa
what's that map creator tool that you and a bunch of other NYC rail CZcams channels use? example at 7:05
Brand New Subway.
@@MysticTransit thanks!
Yes. Because Rider who live in that part of Queens need better Transit Systems. The Q-52/Q-53 Q-11/22 often get stuck in traffic. Also the Far-Rockaway Beach Branch should replace the Far-Rockaway Shuttle Trains But rebrand as the H .from either 61 st Woodside or At 63 Drive Rego Park and have the A trains at either Lefferts or Far-Rock also have a transfer between the Inter boro Express aka the IBE and that's cool video on the Far-Rockaway Beach Branch
The (A) wouldn't have a transfer to the IBX along the Rockaways/Lefferts portion of the route, only at Broadway Junction. Perhaps you mean the Rockaway Beach Branch?
Since the Shuttle already meets with the (A) at Broad Channel, it would be easy for passengers to get off and wait on the platform for the next Manhattan/Far Rockaway Bound (A) Train.
Now all we need is a BMT Eastern Division video
That's gonna be a difficult one, although, I was thinking about the Eastern Division recently, and about the trains getting extended to 10 cars for more capacity.
@@MysticTransit Improvements I would suggest expanding the stations to 600 feet to allow for 10 cars Some stations would be closed and merged with each other in the process like Lorimer street and Hewes Street to Union Avenue. the whole section of Alabama to Crescent st should be removed, and replaced with a section line from Broadway junction to Cypress hills Via Jamaica Ave, this removes the curves around Alabama ave and also build new tracks to the East New York yard which houses trains for the J/Z.
Build a new flying junction between the Flushing Av station and Myrtle Ave station. The current local tracks would be moved outward so that two new tracks can be added between. These two new tracks would connect to both the local and express tracks. As they approach Myrtle Ave the new tracks would rise up and a new upper level station would be built over the existing Myrtle Ave station, though slightly to the west. This new upper level station would serve Myrtle Ave trains exclusively and mirror over the existing station so elevators could be installed to connect the platforms. A dual level station is what I’m proposing.
The L train should be extended to 10th Avenue 57th street allowing more trains to run per hour. The M train should be extended to Forest Hills during Daytime Weekend Hours allowing for weekend service to midtown on the Jamaica line making it more attractive the M train becomes the main local of Queens Blvd. Due to the current nature of the Queens Blvd line this would have to be at the Expense of downgrading the R train to the supplementary weekday only local. Evenings and Weekends the R would go to Astoria with the N train instead.
And replacing skip stop service with express service Adding a third exp track to the Jamaica Line from Bwy Junction to Jamaica would allow for comparable times into Manhattan. Reducing crowding from the E train and Queens Blvd Express
The entire J/Z Via Jamaica ave, to Broadway Junction, and added the changes, the only thing we really need is a change of service, and while many people think that the Z is useless, I don’t think so, CBTC People are confused about what the Z even is, is it express? Local? I say make it express and have the J and M, local.
And the With the New Jamaica line, the rest of the track can be 3 track up to 121st, so the Z would be used in primarily Express services in peak directions, Morning and and Evening, (Well that’s what the 6 and 7 do and they don’t have alternative lines) well screw it, 2 trains are better than 1 train doing all of the work
But those are my thoughts, I’d really love to see the BMT Eastern Division get some upgrades one day.
In BVE there is already a Fictional Rockaway Beach branch. Now if this were to exist IRL, then think of the ridership, many people would be using this specific line even if they wanna transfer to the A
Not only would I reactivate the line, I'd extend it directly to LaGuardia airport via Junction Blvd/94th St with a transfer at the Junction Blvd 7 stop with stops at Queens Blvd, Corona Ave, Roosevelt Ave, Northern Blvd, Astoria Blvd, and LGA terminals.
It would have multiple benefits including:
- make inter-airport connections extremely viable
- serve essentially 2-3 transit deserts,
- alleviate traffic and air pollution from Woodhaven Blvd
- provide direct access to 4-5 commercial districts(Metropolitan Ave, Queens Center, Rego Park, Queens Place, Roosevelt Ave )
Now this makes a lot of sense.
Would it also eliminate the need for the buses that take one to Rockaway Park in the summer? If so, that would be a great additional reason for re-activation. Please advise and thank you!
Some of the routes would probably stay as backups, however, this would take most of the passengers off those routes.
They should seriously look into the JFK Express proposal. Subway commuter, either works. It's full time for NYC to have transit connections to both airports.
I think if they extend the G along with this new Rockaway branch line, it would work so it would add more trains to the line and also it can give an alternative route to A in Manhattan if need be.
Hello! I'm William L. Dickerson, Jr. From Brooklyn, NY. I'd like to comment that Revitalizing the Rockaway Branch by Extending it From: 63 Dr.-Rego Park to Howard Beach-JFK Airport.
A lot of people want it to be a park instead like the high line. I agree with reactivating it though... because right now you have select bus service connecting those areas. Reactivation would be hell of expensive tho b/c most that structure is decaying.
I think the bulk of the people who want it to be a park, are the NIMBY's that live right near the tracks. This is due to them not wanting to hear trains passing by.
I also want to see it reactivated, but yeah, the cost is somewhat of an issue. It is good though, that Queenslink found the actual cost of the project to be less than half of what the MTA Projected.
@@MysticTransit the MTA loves to waste money. If you want the rockaway why not also take over the port Washington line and link it to the 63rd street line
@@qjtvaddict No way. The people of the Town of North Hempstead and northern Queens need the Port Washington Branch. Of course, an eastern extension of the IRT Flushing Line wouldn't hurt either.
Doubt it’s ever going to happen with all those damn nimbys
I think it would be simpler to reactivate it as part of the LIRR and connect to the main line. On the southern end however, it should then extend into the central terminal complex at JFK, thereby finally providing a one seat ride to both Penn Station and Grand Central.
I just want to add when I say simpler, I mean connecting to the subway beneath Queens Blvd. would be a prohibitively complicated and wildly expensive project. They could do it in Tokyo or Paris, but MTA construction costs are way out of control.
LIRR will NEVER run a line wholly within the 5 boroughs. That’s what NYCT is for. LIRR is a regional commuter system. It’s not meant for use like this.
Craig I lived in ozone Park till I was 26, and always walked along the old right of way 1 block from where I lived on 101 Ave. I also worked for the MTA as a motorman, and I think that it should be reactivate and get people out of there cars. The same way the Lackawanna cutoff should be restored.
If it can be constructed with true Cross-Platform Xfers to existing Manhattan services, maybe that will have to do for now.
Let's see what you do with the UTICA AVE LINE, I ONCE READ IT WAS SUPPOSE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE ROCKAWAYS ACROSS THAT BRIDGE AT THE END OF FLATBUSH AVE.....
The Utica Avenue Line was originally planned to only go to Kings Plaza Mall. Same with the 2/5 Extension down Flatbush. Also, stop with the AllCaps please.
When reactivated perhaps send the V train using Queens Blvd Bypass then Rockaway beach branch. If there's a problem on Queens Blvd Bypass a junction at 63rd dr Rego Park should be built with connections to Queens Blvd Express & Local Tracks which are Siemens CBTC equipped derived from LZB for V train to run on from Howard Beach JFK Rockaway Beach Branch via 59th street IRT East Side Line 63rd st Platforms. Requires the construction of Queens Blvd Bypass line to be effective. Cross section of Rockaway Beach Branch is 2 tracks 4 tracks at some point if MTA wanted those test tracks as CBTC test tracks or experimenting CBTC overlaid on ETCS Level 1-3 like Thameslink Core. Ideal service pattern for this should be like 7 & L trains with CBTC or better CBTC overlaid on ETCS therefore running it like Thameslink
I never understood why the rockaway shuttle stops at beach 116th st , it should run all the way to Riis park
I think that's the way the original line was built. Maybe there isn't enough demand for a station further west?
Absolutely, they should re-activate the Rockaway Branch to Jamaica. They had plans years ago for it to happen but it didn't go anywhere. As I mentioned b4 in a previous video, the gov should do this first b4 the Bay Ridge Line
Nahhhhh rockaway branch should be 3rd important behind bay ridge and 2nd ave
It would be great if they could someday connect the AirTrain to the A line at Howard Beach, and from there run it as a one-seat ride to Penn Station through the newly renovated Rockaway Beach Branch.
Unfortunately, the Airtrain can't be connected because it doesn't use Subway Cars.
Yes, it needs to be reactivated as soon as possible as Kennedy Airport is now under transformation with a new terminal alignment.
I just don't get it why Port Authority is trying to bring Air Train to LaGuardia after seeing the apparent failures of Air Train JFK and Newark. It is just a shame for one of the biggest and the most wealthy cities not to have a direct one-seat access from city core to one of the busiest airports in the world.
@@moraimon We really need N/W trains to Astoria as soon as possible
Just as well with having the M train come out to the Rockaway's because "really" it would be better to bring the G line out there because it would be really good to use that line into full use again in Queen's (meaning it used to terminate @ 71st Continental) only this time it would just branch off into the Rockaway's
With the QueensLink proposal of the M train diverted southward at Rego Park, this frees up capacity in Forest Hills for the return of the G back to it’s original service before being cut in 2010.
Bringing the G back to Queens Blvd in its present form would only cause congestion (like what happens on Broadway north of 34th Street).
It certainly couldn't hurt! I would think it might be better if they used the ROW as part of the LIRR and ran the trains from LIC and Jamaica, QNS.
Can/Would you ask Steven Lynch if he has a track layout of the original DeKalb flat interlocking before the line between DeKalb St station and the Manhattan Bridge was turned into flying junctions. The original Myrtle Ave. northbound platform is still there, but on the southbound side, the platform was torn out for widening to the west.
I'm trying to figure out the sequence of construction to get this done with trains still operating. I would pay money for such a track layout. Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario
YES! The remainder of the former LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch must be reactivated as the IND Rego Park Line! The former Woodhaven Junction LIRR station should be reopened as the Woodhaven Transfer station. The former Rego Park LIRR station vicinity should be converted into the Rego Park Transfer LIRR station. Some of the development in Forest Hills will actually force the line underground in Forest Park though. And yes, the H train should be the the train on the line, while the Rockaway Park Shuttle should be rerouted to Far Rockaway-Mott Avenue via the lower leg of the Hammers Wye.
I think they should put the A-train underground past Grant Avenue, and run it right out to Jamaica that way. There's room presently for a fairly good sized storage yard there believe it or not. I' got other plans for the RBB possess your souls in patience.😉
And can you make a video about the second level of the whitehall station
There is second level at Whitehall? Do you mean City Hall on the R?
@@tskinner670 i think so i got confused
V line out of 2nd Ave/Houston would be good. V from 2nd Ave to Rockaway Park and use Jamaica Yard as it's home base. Now the Rockaway Park shuttle would have to be eliminated if you're sending a full time line to Rockaway Park. Those stations on the 116 side are dead quiet. Only 5 A trains currently serve those stations in am and pm rush.
@@TheRailLeaguer Use H train instead
@@TheRailLeaguer Here’s my idea.
Rebuilt the branch. Then remade the Shuttle the H train and extend it to WTC via Queens Blvd Local 8th Avenue Local. The M train would be move over to 63rd street tunnel and then add new switches at 50th street and 42 street the C train would become Express. The H train would run to Rockway Park allowing all Rockway A trains to be diverted to Far Rockway
3 locals sound overkill at first but both the M and R run under capacity causing crowding so this leaves plenty of space for the H train. The H Train announcements should be Kathleen Campion Feedback please.
7:03 what site were you using right here?
The fact the MTA wants to stream line its express bus routes from the Rockaways to Midtown, yes reactivating the RBB as an LIRR line (IMHO) would allow the MTA to eliminate express lines but still give communters the luxury ride they demand to midtown Manhattan. But the new LIRR line would not just be a luxury ride, with the MTA planning to implement city ticket changes, the new route would be small upsell for many A train commuters in Queens and Rockaway whose destination is midtown Manhattan. Of course, the link between South Queens and Rockaway and Rego park would relieve some congestion on the Woodhaven Blvd local buses, where the single zone fare is competitive with the local bus fare.
You should do a video about extending the (4) train from Woodlawn to Van Cortlandt Park, 233rd Street, and from Crown Heights, Utica Avenue to Breezy Point, Beach 222nd Street. You should also do some videos about the following Extensions: The (C) from Washington Heights, 168th Street to Inwood, 215th Street, Euclid Avenue to Bay Terrace, Cross Island Parkway. The (3) from New Lots Avenue to JFK Airport, Pan Am Road. The (6) from Pelham Bay Park to City Island, Rochelle Street. The (E) Train from World Trade Center to Bayonne Bridge, Lasalle Street. The (Q) from Astoria, Ditmars Boulevard to Crocheron Park, 215th Street. The (7) from Hudson Yards, 34th Street to Valley Stream, Hook Creek Boulevard, Flushing, Main Street to Bayside, Cross Island Parkway.
The (4) doesn't need to be extended north. There isn't a lot of demand, plus, there are a few buses that already serve the area well.
The (C) shouldn't be extended north because it would only cause congestion along the (A).
The (3) Extension is one I like, as I think it could help riders in eastern Queens.
The (6), I actually mention in an upcoming video.
Everything else seems a bit unnecessary.
@@MysticTransit I only mentioned a small portion of my proposal, so if you look at it in one whole piece it will make much more sense. I only mentioned a few lines that are part of my proposal. The (4) extension would connect to another subway line that will run along part of the former Putnam Railroad. The (C) would replace the (A) service along the Liberty Avenue line, as the (A) would only terminate in Far Rockaway.
@@MysticTransit I think buses just add more vehicles onto the road, while having more trains running off the roads would ease congestion, and adding subway lines going through transit deserts would be helpful.
I always see this never knew where it goes 🤣🤣
You had said bring in a new H train. How is that possible when the H train is a redesigned train of the Rockaway Shuttle in 2000
idk a lot about trains, but i don’t like the idea of it becoming a park