Why Phase 4 MATTERS - Marvel's True Meaning Revealed
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Marvel's Phase 4 has seen a divisive set of movies and TV shows that have drastically expanded the scope of the MCU. But how do all of these various threads connect? Is the MCU just throwing random IP at us? Or is there a real plan behind Phase 4, setting up the Multiverse Saga? We explain.
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I want to talk about Phase four of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Specifically, I want to prove to all of you that this phase-which may seem like its made of random projects-is actually telling one cohesive story that is united by single theme. Like the MCU always says, it’s all connected.
So, Phase 4 has been a weird one. It’s the first time Marvel studios has fully incorporated TV shows into their storytelling. Now we’ve previously had shows like Agents of Shield incorporated the movies into their stories, like the brilliant follow up episodes to winter soldier [clip, hail hydra]. But Phase 4 is the first time that any cinematic universe fully incorporated TV shows.
Doug: Well, Ezra Miller’s Flash did show up on the CW.
True, but as part of the multiverse, so that [obi wan, aotc, doesn’t count]. And anyways, we’ll get to the multiverse in a few minutes. First I want to address why people feel like this phase has been aimless.
I started really seeing this complaint after Thor: Love and thunder. Most of Phase 4’s projects up till then told solo, stand-alone stories. For instance, Black Widow, the Eternals, Shang Chi, and What If.
And there were also plenty of stories that dealt with the repercussions of Phase 3, like Wandavision, Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Loki.
These projects defined the Phase’s first year, 2021. But 2021 ended with a massive multiversal crossover, teaming up Doctor Strange with spider-man, spider-man, and spider-man. So fans are ready for 2022 to feel more connected…they wanted to finally get those sweet-sweet MCU connections we all love.
And instead…we got mostly more standalone stories. Moon Knight, She Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Mutiverse of Madness, Werewolf by Night, The Guardians holiday special, and Thor: Love and Thunder are also all standalone projects that tell a singular story about their main characters.
There was an expectation that thor’s movie would kick us off into high gear. Because he’s an OG avenger in a major motion picture, we thought he was gonna meet Dr. Doom, or something. But that didn’t happen, did it?
Doug: No, it didn’t.
So, after the intricate setup of the Infinity saga, where every element serves a purpose in the final story, it was hard to see the connective tissue between all of the projects. How does She- Hulk connect to Thor: Love and Thunder? Well we’re going to explain how, but first, I have to say, that we should not be holding phase four up to the same standards as phase 3.
Phase 3 was a culmination of like 20 movies. It earned its crossover and connective tissue. We should really be comparing phase four to phase one, or even phase 2…and those phases were not very well connected, in hindsight.
Marvel studios did not have a plan set in stone when they started out. TonySstark’s cameo at the end of the Incredible Hulk makes no sense [clip]. They recast two main characters. Crossover moments were conceived of, and then cut out, like Hulk breaking loose the ice where Steve Rogers was frozen.
Even Thanos was included as a post credits sene after the fact, because joss whedon wanted to tease him for another movie. [clip, him explainign this, third movie]. Even Selvig being mind controlled by loki at the end of the makes no sense, in hindsight, because loki shows up to control him in the avengers. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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How can I pinpoint the end of one Phase and the start of the next Phase??????;
It doesn’t matter if the earlier stories weren’t connected. They were still good stories on their own. Phase 4 stories are all absolute garbage. Except werewolf by night.
I think the thread is Gods. The Eternals deal with Gods. Thor, Black Panther and Moon Knight does as well...She-Hulk, Wanda, and Spider-Man and Strange dealt with God like power...Loki did too with Kang...so is Ant-man. Ms. Marvel dealt with godly power too.
Spoiler Alert: Phase 4 is a setup for Deadpool Kills the MCU
No more established titles ads? Thought the video on them was bad faith?
The amount of info and clips mixed with some theories you squeeze into 17 min whilst maintaining coherence is mind-blowing
Rite!!!
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Thank you, Ryan. For reminding the massive amount of people who forget how Phase 1 wasn't truly appreciated, until the end of Phase 3.
Uh no that is totally different. Phase 4 is awful
@@thatcomicdad1687 awful? I’d argue better than phase 1.
@@JonathanHassingerChannel I respect your viewpoint but I gotta stand by what I said. Eternals was hot trash.
@@thatcomicdad1687 True, only the shills have anything good to say about phase 4. It's an embarrassment!
@@angelamarie3547 fun fact, my sister is named Angela Marie
There's been a strong through line about grief and loss, as well. Almost every project has seen the characters grappling with some form of loss and the grief associated with it. Which makes sense, as we lost a lot of characters we'd grown to love at the end of Phase 3. We, the audience, needed to move through their loss just as the characters who remain did. Not saying that was the focus, but it has been present.
Good point!
And the survival guilt associated with it.
1)Hawkeye with Black widow
2)Bucky with his old neighbor who’s son he killed
3)Wanda obviously with having to kill Vision with it meaning nothing
4)Loki learning that his path causes the death of his mother & father
5)Spidey with Aunt May
Examples are everywhere & the stories are about what choices they make to deal with the guilt of causing the death or not being able to prevent it.
I believe loss and hardships make us question our identity and ponder our decisions. Happy times generally don't make us introspect and that's what's happening to these characters.
There is Elsa Bloodstone also changing from rejecting her family to accept the magical stone and accept her new identity as the new leader of the family as well.
Nice catch
Also Ted trying to live his life while people are identifying him as a monster
Finally someone addressing the fact that the Phase 4 should be compared to Phase 1 but not the Phase 3... Many Marvel fans are the people who started watching phase 3 in theatres while they watched phase 1,2 at their comfort from Bluray's and streaming services... It's very idiotic to say that phase 4 doesn't stand the way phase 3 does... I'm very happy that you pointed this out... ❤️
Phase 4 is still trash compared to phase 1
@@amritanjalsingh756 Any specific examples to prove your point? Or it is rather a general statement based on your personal feelings?
@@KvaziELF do i have to explain this 😂 literally every episode of ms marvel and she hulk is top tier trash and how can you forget thor 4 and morbius
@@amritanjalsingh756 Ofc you don't have to explain this. But, once again what I can see is just general statements without any specific examples and/or comparison with Phase 1 projects. Besides Phase 4 has more projects than you mentioned. What about Moon Knight? Or Werewolf by Night? Are they also trash?
P.S. Morbius is not a part of MCU and Phase 4.
@@KvaziELF well yes i agree on that werewolf by night , moon knight and no way home are good( btw loki is excellent) ..what do you want that someone explain you scene by scene that what is wrong with this phase 4 na mate ain't doing that (i Know morbius is not part of phase 4 directly but it still connects with them and its a sh*t movie it hurts me as i paid extra to watch it when it came 😭)
Like the ancient one said “Open your eye.” When I first watched phase 4 it seemed messy. But rewatching it again, I noticed that the West Coast Avengers are in it. Sersi, Hawkeye, White Vision, Scarlet Witch, U.S. Agent and Hercules, etc. Kevin Feige is a smart dude.
But no Wonder Man (yet), Tigra, Mockingbird or Firebird. I kinda doubt Pym is interested.
Patrick: Who are you people?!
@@terryprentice9657 Wonder Man is supposed to be coming, as they've already cast the role.
Thanks for making this. A lot of people seem to miss that the phases work as acts of a larger story. Phase 4 is act 1 of the multiverse saga so it's slower and setting everything up. Phase 5 or act 2 will see the stakes raised. I personally thought it was obvious that 3 phase stories was clear 3 acts. This is why Phase 3 is everyone's favorite because it was the climax of the Infinity stone saga
This.
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Yup. And watch everybody who shitting on the mcu rn, when phase 6 is over they’ll definitely be saying “phase 6 was the best phase” or “phase 5 was amazing” ppl jus have a short attention span. By the time fantastic 4 comes out the comment sections will be looking very differently 😂
The problem is people aren't finding the new content entertaining or fun. If they were they wouldn't be worried about if it's relevant to a larger story or not.
@@darkwoods1954 I disagree. I think people find it both of those things. They just haven't been blown away by anything. People want great and they've mostly gotten good.
I like to consider Phase 4 as the honeymoon phase. The sigh of relief in a post-Endgame world before we hit the ground running again with Quantummania as we head towards a looming showdown with Kang The Conqueror in Secret Wars that I think is going to get darker and more chaotic.
I don't care what anyone says. I liked the "reveal" in WandaVision. Yes, it was obvious, but Kathryn Hahn's delivery makes me get goosebumps every time. It was the first time in a long time that the actual mechanics of the MCU were used as a plot device... This is kind of like revealing how the Elder Wand works in Harry Potter. You have a seemingly insignificant object become the focal point of a prophecy that eventually leads to some exception to the rules of the universe. That moment in WandaVision was monumental.
Another unifying theme of phase 4 is family or perhaps family ties and the dynamics surrounding them.
That would be a lot of dead or dying families then if we look at the entirety of this phase.
Another unifying theme of phase four is ... crap. Because that's what phase 4 is, the only thing that stood out was spider-man, maybe wandavision (first half) and MoonKnight. Rest is total crap. MCU stopped making good content and started making political statements through their movies and series.
@@oskarskalski2982 Yet they all found their audience and made money. Further proof that the world doesn't revolve around any of us or our personal taste.
yeah in Phases 1-3 none of them had any family problems: Thor lost nobody.. Natasha regretted nothing.. Hawk Eye was a lone bachelor.. Loki had no grudge with anyone in his family.. Banner, Steve Rogers & Bucky had no problem finding partners and starting new families.. Scott Lang was awarded father of the year by his wife.. Star Lord was never separated from his family, and his dad turned out to be the nicest guy in the galaxy.. and "Clarence lives at home with both parents and Clarence's parents have a real good marriage"
@@Ra-Hul-K True! Big cap! 😂😢
I stand by how much I've enjoyed Phase 4. I am not going to overlook some of the issues, but I have greatly appreciated the more disconnected nature of the stories. For me it had actually avoided me feeling burned out in it all.
SAME! I didn’t even become a fan of the entire mcu until phase 4 happened, before wandavision I only watched homecoming, far from home, and black panther. Disney plus marvel shows really made me a fan
I think it's been great too. Definitely been the most diverse in characters, ideas and locations.
@@Risgolden That is interesting. Would really like to know what drew you to the shows, and if you have watched other films since. What has your impression been.
@@dreamlandnightmare Exactly. For me Phase 4 is giving me something that I never thought possible, and that is the feeling of persistence and continuity of that world. Remember whenever we would get a sequel and it would feel like everything got reset and were told the same story? The MCU did away with that mostly. Now with this Phase that feeling is expanded more than ever, and I'm all for it.
I believe that will be the difference between casual fans and the more hardcore fans. The casual fans have fallen by the wayside from phase 4. Personally, I feel phase 4 should have been slimmed down because there is way too much content for casual fans to understand moving forward. And that is especially true if they are going to continue the trend of not talking about the events of the shows in the movies where they are relevant. This severely hampered multiverse of madness, for instance.
The boxiness of the stories are just a little too much. Sometimes it worked (moon knight), other times it didn’t (multiverse of madness and black widow), and most of the time it was meh (Thor, Black Panther, eternals, Shang Chi, etc.). And I think that’s where a lot of the trouble for phase 4 lies (lots of meh movies).
We need a "Somehow Palpatine Returned" shirt
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This is a very interesting video which I enjoyed immensely and I also found with phase 4 is dealing with grief and mental health and loss, along with finding ones true identity in these characters. Which in a some aspects was truly underrated
I've been saying Phase 4 is just the phase 1 of the multiverse saga and its only gonna get better from here
Already looks like it too. GOTG is gonna be crazy. Ant Man too
Exactly!
Exactly.. But people are not ready to heard that
People have short attention span. If your not perfect 100% of the time they will turn on you. U can compare it to artists in the music industry. They drop one “mid” album and everybody start sayin they fell off
@@josuafraser4865 true they forget about almost everything in 2021 except for no way home and they only think about summer 2022. Even though most of phase four is great.
brilliant and sorely needed video! i stand by the idea that phase 4 is effectively era 2 phase 1. so many people seem to miss this, thinking that we should just happily skip along from where we were in phase 3 to the same kind of experience in phase 4, but instead so very much more is getting the groundwork laid out. i personally loved phase 4. sure, it had some rough edges, but ultimately it gave us so much new and epic material to move forward with that i think many people who have been speaking poorly of it will view such very differently in about ten years.
Fantastic analysis! I think it's also important to note that some of the phase 4 stories got jerked around and weird due to Covid rearranging the order of the series releases relative to Black Widow, and I think maybe Shang Chi. The storytelling might have been more cohesive before that.
Werewolf by Night is forever iconic!!! 🌕🐺
it was just okay. nothing new, except for a tiny twist and that it was in black and white.
I Literally Jess fin is watching it for the 1st time. It was kool. A good watch. Don't know about "Iconic" tho
It was pretty good
I wouldn’t say iconic…it was ok
Warewolf by night is my favorite marvel anything ✊🏼
I love Phase 4 no matter what anybody says. *I can't wait for Phase 5*
I think ‘ways of seeing ourselves and each other’ has been a major theme in this phase
I’m curious in what direction marvel decides to push moon night. Being my favorite series that’s been released to date, I’d love to see Mr. Night fight alongside the Avengers 👊🏼
I don’t think the problem with Phase 4 is connectivity I think it’s more that these projects haven’t been good
Boom!
I like the theme of "identity" theory, Ryan. It could even be expanded to the whole of the MCU in search of a new identity subsequent to the colossal crossover ending of Phase Which did seem asTHE ending and it was unclear how the MCU would proceed.
I had no problems with Phase 4, and I loved the different directions this universe was taking. It made it all so much bigger, and when they all come together at the end of Phase 6, it will be gigantic!
Ryan, don’t forget that final episode of Agents of Shield. There are a lot of clues and connections to what is coming with Kang. The whole final season was about the team branching into an entirely different timeline, so they could bring back with them Daisy’s sister that died in the original timeline. All of this was possible because Fitz used the AntMan suit and the quantum tech to pull this off. Fitz hid in the Quantum realm away from the Chronocoms until the team could bring him back in the final episode. This is the same thing that Kang has been doing, hiding in the Quantum realm until his counter part died in the MCU, allowing him to come back and kick off the next big saga.
This same connection could give us a way for the Agents of Shield show to come back into the main MCU.
Great points !
As a filmmaker myself, I also saw pretty clearly that phase 1, 2, 3 were just basically act 1, 2, 3 of a fairly long TV series with a lot of characters that just happened to be playing on the big screen.
So phase 4 is bound to be the act 1 of the new "trilogy" of phase, to be sure, the introduction of all the new players of this new arc, with phase 5 being act 2, where shit happens, and phase 6 being act 3, the big clash at the end and its resolution.
And good one for identity being the main theme of this phase. I thought it was more about grief (each and every characters had to mourn a loss, be it of someone or something) but identity makes total sense. Great catch !
I agree. Phase 4 just got to be too long and too bloated with content. It bogged down the story. Yes, the exposition is important, but the amount of exposition is longer than the complete previous story. That’s the primary issue.
I truly don’t mind this phase at all. Thanks for this
you make the folks at marvel look smart and i swear they just watch your videos to help them figure out the next thing they will do lol
Great video as always, this breakdown is what I needed. Hopefully we can all be more patient with this phase.
That was the point of this video… I swear I feel like he is paid by the studio to come and read lines. There is no way he does this all himself. Its like the studio understands youtube and uses channels like this (or owns them) and uses them for public relations
@@bumpercarjoe6391 I've never thought about it like this, you are prob right.
@@bumpercarjoe6391 Any evidence for this lie?
@@bumpercarjoe6391 false. That rumor/theory has been debunked so many times lmao
@@toshtao1 I made it very obvious it was my OPINION… so how is a opinion a lie? I have no EVIDENCE but more of a HUNCH based on the fact I don’t believe he is doing ALL this research, writing, and editing! Unless he is the most knowledgeable comic fan in the entire world, and top of a brilliant editor, with a sense of humor and comedic timing who just happens to (as far as I can tell) NEVER call out Marvel movies? Eternals SUCKED, Love & Thunder sucked, She Hulk SUCKED, Obi Whan sucked, and a bunch of other projects were luke warm at best. Yet he is always telling us “why they are SO GOOD” and basically acting as a public relations department for the studios. And he’s pretty quick to condemn DC. But take the DC part out because that may be highly argumentative. And what your left with should cause ANYONE to question.
As a sport fan Ive become very aware how sports agents will manipulate media by giving a reporter an envelope of cash and having an intern say “I heard the Mets are gonna sign Aaron Judge” so that way the reporter CAN 100% legally say “A baseball insider claims the Mets are pursuing Judge”… BOOM… His value just went up 5million per year!
So long story short, It would only make sense for Marvel/Disney to have a foothold in the CZcams space to help their movie.
My question is do have any evidence that would change my OPINION?
Finally someone has said it! All the complaints about Phase 4 is literally the exact way we saw Phase 1 start. We just didn't know what we were seeing with Phase 1.
Honestly loki is the most important character in general. He started the infinity saga in avengers and started the multiverse saga in loki.
he didn't start the infinity saga.. he actually slowed down Thanos' plans.. remember Thanos already had the mind stone and he lent it to Loki to obtain the space stone from earth and lost it.. finally he had to pull it out of vision's head.. also by the end of the 1st Avengers, the space stone ended up in Asgard under Odin's protection
Its nice to see that Ryan has a life outside of the shop. Now this is the crosover that we really need
i wouldn't say that loki is trying to find what makes him special in the show. rather, he's trying to challenge the evil identity forced onto him by the tva and he who remains
Awesome job man! Marvel should get you on board!
Generally love your theories but, unfortunately, i find the "identity theme" is kinda weak. When you strip down absolutely any human story, you find a story of identity in that every choice impacts a person's identity. Every choice made solidifies who we are or moves us towards a different identity. Eh.... but with secret wars luming in the distance..... IDK... well it's like saying any story is about growth... it's Luke, of course it is otherwise why yell the story?
Doesn’t every comic book movie ever have the main theme or sub theme of the dual identity of the Hero and the Person
Isn’t EVERY story about identity? Or at least any movie could be tied to it?
I really enjoyed Phase 4 by the way. I think a lot of people’s real gripes with the phase stem from some unsettled sexism or racism, given how many stories in this phase had female or POC protagonists.
Marvel should just do away with Phases and simply present a release schedule. Phases are production cycles for business reasons and more inside baseball than anything else, while Sagas are narrative journeys - this is why Marvel introduced the Saga concept. Perhaps we are looking for meaning in a frame where it isn't necessarily found.
This is a brilliant analysis, really puts phase 4 into perspective
Very good analyze Ryan and putting these movies and shows in their proper perspective as well as in the order for the next phases to connect with. Well done and good work. thx
Thank you for pointing out the connective themes
I think when Daredevil finally meets Spider-Man he's going to instantly recognize him as Peter obviously due to smell.
I don't care how it matters. Just tell great stories
Hi Ryan
Great update as always, thanks
Awesome piece, Ryan! (And Doug!)
Why is I Am Groot always forgotten? :'(
I could say it's also about identity. It's about the new Groot building up his identity with new experiences during his childhood.
Personally, I’ve LOVED phase 4 so far! It seems like a lot of people expect Infinity War/Endgame level movies that they forget what it takes to get there. These stand alone movies/shows are so refreshing & cover important subjects like identity, grief, loss, new beginnings, etc.! Excited for what’s to come 😌
I love you 😍
You're absolutely wrong.
from the very first Iron Man and all the other movies built up before Avengers Infinity Wars were standalone and pretty enjoyable on their own and yet were progressing the story forward. There were hardly bad movies before phase 4 begun and EVERYBODY enjoyed it and they did infact build up so well to the Endgame event. But phase 4 tried to move to fast and pushed way too many things to the audience and they weren't that great titles standalone either, with the exception of Loki, Shang-Chi and even Wereworld by Night and that's just three titles which you can watch over and over without getting bored. All the other titles in phase 4 were super passable or a one time watch at best.
@@bhaigeniushoon just let 2 years pass by and you'll say the same for phase 4
@@ishankapoor I hope so, but it is highly unlikely. Especially considering how corporate america is functioning, it's more about politics than actual talent now. Moreover, I don't like this "just wait, have faith, it will get better" thing. Sounds like something a scammer would say to ensure people don't pull out. Maybe you didn't understand what I had said in the previous comment. Phases 1 and 2 were pretty much enjoyable by themselves. Phase 4 isn't. What comes after won't change the fact that we got a Thor: The Dark World as an entire phase.
@@bhaigeniushoon I’m not reading all that but I’m sorry for you and/or happy for you! 🫰
Great break down. Lookin forward to seeing more videos in the future!
The way you’ve tied everything together in this video will help me understand and ultimately enjoy this new phase much more. Looking forward to seeing the new badass version of Groot, too!
Sometimes I feel like I must be the only person who not just tolerated, but liked all of the stand-alone projects in Phase 4 dealing with their own characters exploring their own lives. Some of those were characters we knew who'd always had to share the screen with other characters, giving us a chance to really get to know them (Hawkeye, Black Widow, Wanda, Falcon, Bucky, and even the characters in Wakanda Forever, etc) and some were brand new characters being introduced the way that a lot of the early phase characters got the chance to be introduced. Those solo movies, detached from an overarching storyline, were why this whole giant MCU thing has worked.
Early on, I realized that a lot of the big cameos and tie-ins the people were expecting weren't going to happen because a lot of them would have upstaged characters who we were supposed to be getting to know in their own stories. They got upstaged anyway by people lying about leaks and the fanboys they feed, but there was probably no stopping that. The level of sheer, steely determination by some fans to shove Dr. Doom and/or Mephisto into literally everything has turned into a running joke for me. I want to see Doom eventually, and of course we will and he will be awesome, but I'm hoping Mephisto's never introduced, because the 'NOT THE BEES' joke gets funnier every time I hear it.
That, and the Devil has been done to death.
Thank you!!! Every phase can not be phase 3. It would get old and stale quick. They have to build from the ground up again. I think they are doing this the right way and people need to wait. I would have like a little more spacing between all of phase 4s movies and shows to help build the anticipation but everything will work out just fine. Honestly I hope they change very little going forward. The people complaining aren’t right (not saying they are wrong) this time. The only thing that can solve the issues that people have is time. Also thank you for reminding us that phase 1 was also pretty hard to follow and all stand alone films. I honestly feel like the MCU didn’t really become the powerhouse it is today till late phase two or phase three.
Thanks for being on Preston and Steve
Love hearing you branch out as an authority
Phase 4 was pretty chill to me. Plus ryan’s got a way with words.
I always say i this when i hear ppl trash on phase 4. It’s no phase 3, but it’s a lot more connected than people want to see and i have enjoyed all the movies/shows individually (yes even she hulk) i think phase 4 just suffers from coming after phase 3 and having to reboot in a way to build up to the next big fight
People gonna be back on the mcu bandwagon once phase 6 is in full swing🙄🤦🏾♂️. Then once this saga over watch people start trashing talking the mcu again during phase 7 when everything basically another phase 1 again. People are weird man
i love how we all just ignore Eternals lol
That was awesome. Yes, people are wanting crossovers etc way too soon but forget that there needs to be some standalone stories first to be able to build upon
Thank you Ryan! My first time here! I appreciate the explanation! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I was just having this conversation with my wife. I think Endgame spoiled us. We forget that it took a while for everything to come together. We’re not patient anymore. Don’t worry guys…we’ll get there!!
I love phase 4!!!! I don't care what any one says!!!!
Seeing you and Doug chilling at home and watching movies made me happier than iv been in a long time.
Incredible analysis, bro! You hit the nail on the head! The younger CZcamsrs lack a broader vision and always spend their time (and mine) nitpicking their childish, and often misogynistic, confusions. No wonder so many people (like me) respect and admire your work. You bring a lot of objective clarity to your reportage and reviews. And you can be sweetly funny too. Ryan, you are a class act! Kudos... um, I mean... EXCELSIOR!!
There was absolutely nothing wrong with Meg's cameo in She Hulk
Yes
What do you think of Phase 4?
I think it was not as bad as people sayed
Personally I didn't like Phase 4 except a couple of movies and the Loki series. Besides that I didn't really care for it.
People hate for no reason. Coming off the biggest mcu story ever theres going to be so much fallout while also establishing the players of an even bigger MCU story. Idk what people want
It was a weird transition phase, as all transition phases should be.
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You really really nailed this. I love this channel, very well done!
Great video. Love that you remind us how things tie together.
I think folks are being weirdly finnicky with the last year of stuff. I think it's been some of my favorite Marvel stuff yet. It feels like they're taking the bumpers out of the lane and letting people get weird with it, and after 10 years, that's what I'm more than ready for. Also people wanting everything to be more connected, like it didn't take 4 years to get a connected movie in the first phase. It was always going to be the case that everyone would spread back out into some solo stories again.
While I agree with your assessment of Phase 4, I also believe Marvel and Disney used it as a sort of experiment. Like you said, it was the first time movies and shows worked hand in hand in the telling of a major story, and Disney wanted to know exactly how to best use the Series format. Some shows worked and some weren't a big hit. How do you introduce a new character, tell a decent story AND keep viewers hooked for a 6,8 or 10 series run? You introduce the Special Presentation. WBN was such a fun and incredibly detailed show that focused on a very specific tale. It worked perfectly as a "short movie" but probably would have lost fans as a series. I believe She hulk would have been better received as a Special Presentation rather than the series we got. With phase 4 done and the reviews in, I think we'll get a better balance of movies, series, and special presentations.
Then they wouldn't have the run times needed to literally bash fans in the show.
You CRUSHED it with this one, Ryan. As Marvel continues to grow, it should be amazing and a dream come true for any comic book fan.
Wow dude. Love this so much. Thanks for the amazing video. And high five to Doug!
I really like the diversity of Phase IV, and that they took a completely different path. I can understand why some hardcore Marvel fans don't like it, but the overall success proves that they did the right things. Not every output was for everybody, but among my many friends, each one liked some of the stories told best. Personally Multiverse of Madness, WandaVision, Loki + Love & Thunder were my favourites, but I still enjoyed the other productions
Hardcore marvel fans want marvel to stick to those same formula !So ignore them !
Loki and WandaVision were peak 4… truly new directions and stories that launched the phase based on lasting implications from 3. Spidey, ShangChi & BP2 were also each stellar films…. That’s 5 projects that I absolutely LOVED in the phase. That’s a great personal batting avg IMO.
Loki and WandaVision sucked...
@@monkfishy6348 nah they were more like meh she hulk was garbo
WandaVision is over rated. Shows like MoonKnight and What If are objectively better I would say
loved WandaVision & What If.. Loki series not much
@@monkfishy6348 not nearly as much as your mom though
Standalone movies were great... when they were good. The problem with phase 4 wasn't the lack of interconnectivity, it was the lack of quality.
As always, very well thought out. Love your work guys.
As someone who enjoyed most of phase 4 (with some obvious exceptions like she hulk and ms marvel) I really appreciate this breakdown of it all being about identity, it makes so much sense when you put it the way you did
Why obviously ms marvel and she hulk? I don’t think you understand those shows
@@Djamcar no I just didn't enjoy them like a lot of other people, but if you did, that's cool
I completely agree dude ! Like 100% of all my friends are either disappointed and not even interested in marvel anymore mainly because of how trash she hulk and ms marvel were.. and I don’t think phase 4 movies weren’t planned really well either. Anyhow I loved moon knight and Loki
Because they’re female leads??
@@MadamWilson not at all, Wanda is my favorite character and I love Black widow, don't even go there
There's a reason why the Infinity Saga worked: the audience wants to feel like it's a part of a *Narrative Journey* and the first 10 years of the MCU gave them that. They were having the cinematic experience of watching an incredible story unfold in real time, that's why a cinematic universe works-the audience feels like they are a part of it
Phase 4 didn't do that. Nothing seemed to connect to anything else, every character was trying to be the comic relief, and there didn't feel like there was a plot or even a direction the franchise was heading towards -the abundance of shows were basically to flesh out the Disney+ library, nothing more. Fans aren't stupid and they see right through that 🎯
I think you're giving the audience too much credit. 😅
People have said the same or made similar comments about phase 1. Infinity War and Endgame were concluding chapters to 10 years worth of story. It's unfair to compare that to a phase that's just starting after all that buildup. Obviously it's not gonna ever be the same. Thinking so is a setup to be disappointed.
We never knew where anything was heading in phases 1-3 either. That's kind of the whole point. Especially now. To tell a bunch of disjointed stories about a bunch of unfamiliar people in unrelated places and then tie all those stories and people together in one big bow for the finale and to help set up the next series of unrelated events that will bring another group of unfamiliar people into the mix
@@keithwoodcrest exactly! It's gonna keep happening til Marvel decides to stop or better yet when people stop giving them money. Both can be true
What a great recap. I've read a bit of how underappreciated phase 4 is and have wondered why it's not being seen as a new beginning. So many great things have happened during it. Here's 5 off of the top of my head...1. When Ayo says the trigger words to Bucky and they DON'T set him off and he's in tears 2. Loki sees Friga die and everything after New York through the TVA protection, beginning his, I think, shift to the hero of his story 3. The Eternals introduced us to the sheer scale and power of the Celestials and showed earth's place in the cosmos 4. We really understand the pain and loss Wanda has endured and Vision says "But what is grief, if not love persevering?” 5. Wakanda Forever helped us deal our loss of Chadwick and introduced us to N'amor who, like Killmonger, was right... which makes a great antagonist.
This was pretty great. Answers I've been digging for, thanks SC
Phase 4, I enjoyed overall. But it is the weakest phase.
No it’s not
Yeah phase 4 is definitely a mess and the projects were very hit or miss at least for me. But there was a lot of world building and character setups for the next phases so I’ll give it that
better than phases 1 & 2
@@TheKendeHD Avengers and Iron Man 1 >>
@@TheKendeHD the first Avengers movie is what even put the MCU on the map!
with just 6 movies in each Phases, 1 & 2 are still far better than Phase 4 (7 movies+8 shows)
I agree about the quality of the projects, but it was due to two factors: a) Disney was pushed out projects at a rate unseen before an b) because of the volume of projects being pushed out, Kevin Feige was stretched thin unable to be as involved as he was in Phases 1-3.
@@TheKendeHD some real copium going on here. Phase 4 is shit. Wake up and stop shilling and demand better quality from Disney. Or else they'll keep pushing shit down our throat.
Loved this one Ryan! 👋!
Thoughtful analysis as always.
THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU RYAN!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!! i have been yelling this into the void and it feels so great to have someone with a large platform finally put these things into words!!
Phase 4 was doo doo cheeks
😂😂😂😂
That little projector transition was so smooth especially with the dog saying I’m a little dog 😅
Hands down one of my favorite SC uploads!!
This phase is amazing to me...I'm writing before I watch Ryan and Doug talk. The reason I like it is because it's so unpredictable...even more so than the first phase...when it all comes together it'll be jaw dropping. But the thread I see is Gods. With Wanda, with Thor, with Moon Knight. Maybe even She-Hulk with her seeing godly power in breaking the forth wall...Loki is in that same vein.
We needed this video thank you! I’m sick of everyone trashing on phase 4, you’re my hero Ryan!
This video definitely was needed.
Ryan speaking with his dog reeks of Comicgirl’s interaction with her “pets” and her robot.
I think the way you described Dreykov’s daughter AKA Taskmaster is a perfect encapsulation. That’s what gave me more of an appreciation of the MCU’s Taskmaster than the others who have been boohooing about straying from the comics. Although I wish that the comics version of Taskmaster was maybe revealed later on as the original, like Hank Pym was the original Ant Man. I’m hoping to see more of Taskmaster moving forward.
Imagine taking a shot every time Ryan says Identity
thank you so much for this video
Their best phase so far in terms of projects and creativity. Wish it wasn't impacted so hard by covid and Disney exec changes.
I loved Phase 4. The shows, even some of the lack luster movies were okay (yes even you Eternals). There’s so much ground work being done that I’m juiced for the next possibilities.
The identity struggle has always been the center of superhero stories. Whether it's balancing the demands of the "real" self and their alter egos, or trying to make peace with the destructive potential of their superpowers, the quest for finding one's self and locating one's self in the grander scheme of things have been point and center in MCU. We can see this from Iron Man trying to keep his normal life afloat amidst his public identity. Thor had to learn humility before taking on the identity of the Asgardian king. Cap had to create a new identity after waking up in a different era. And of course, Bruce literally fighting with another identity
The multiverse saga really just made the identity crisis a lot more literal
Phase 4 was a dumpster fire
Let's be honest. Phase Four was a mess.
That’s the point dip ass
What if that was the point
Remember, Kang paved the way we simply walked the path.
Shell media won't dare say it.
@@jake_edinburgh i’ve thought about it this way as well
This video should have a million views for how well its done and clears up the misconception of Phase 4 being terrible or without a purpose
No, it doesn't. It's just one man's opinion. There are no misconceptions either. Phase 4 was generally bad.
"Don't hold phase four to the same standards of phase 3, phase 3 was the culmination of about 20 movies"
THANK YOU!! FINALLY I HEAR SOMEONE ELSE SAYING IT! Everyone wants every marvel movie to be Endgame, and Endgame was basically a season finale. It's not gonna be that hype at the start of the next season
Phase 4 was better as a phase than one or two, but people are crybabies because it's not quite as good as phase 3. Either get over yourself or watch something else smh