Is Original-Style Paper Mario Officially Done For?
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Does Origami King offer hope that Paper Mario might someday return to its roots? Or is it a guarantee that that will never happen?
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I am very slightly out of focus and I have never been more embarrassed in my entire life.
lol
Honestly can’t notice, you’re all good Arlo! Thanks for the great video!
It looks fine don't worry about it
Arlo
No
You want turn-based combat, huh?
*WE'LL SHOW YOU TURN BASED COMBAT!*
You want fun ?
Me too
*OH.*
Why does that go so well with the Elmo pfp?
based
Omg○○yes
"Don't do that. Don't give me hope."
- Arlo, on any Paper Mario news
If you want hope watch the new crash bandicoot 4 trailer
This... this whole video is about how all the new Paper Mario news in fact made him lose hope. I'm not trying to be rude but how did you miss the thesis of the video?
@@dr.ivoeggmanrobotnik4011 Depending on how much you like older 3d platformers, there was an HD port of the first Ty the Tasmanian Tiger game. It's more of an upscaled port with some retexturing rather than a ground up remake, so it still has a lot of jank with some platforming that's too specific or some minigame like things that just needed some more refinement, but I just finished it myself and I honestly absolutely loved. Certainly not perfect but if you've enjoyed games in the style, it might be worth it.
Sorry, I know I'm being a walking ad here but I want the other Ty games to get similar ports or even a fifth game (there was a fourth that came out of nowhere in like 2013). Still, I am glad that crash is getting a fourth game in the style of the first three (even if the "fourth" part is incredibly confusing considering he has had like 6+ games, many of which in the same style, and fight me, I liked crash of the titans) and do plan on getting it and the HD remake when I finally graduate in the fall. I'll probably do the same with spyro too.
@Bold One we can do whatever we want to be quiet
Bold One yeah no I’m getting it. Looks great
""It's not entitlement to fall in love with a product then find yourself disappointed when a company stops producing that product."
I know this is primarily a nintendo channel but
[Cries in Sly Cooper]
I know man... I really dislike Sony and any dev team that has anything to do with them sometimes... Their IPs have been neglected harder than F-Zero, Panel de Pon, and Chibi Robo for example.
I know this feeling.
[Sniffles in Breath of Fire]
And banjo kazooie
@@MrLinkkid "Oh, nobody wants a story or difficult gameplay. They just wanna shoot things with a bunch of colors. Makes things easier for us cause we don't hafta work as hard!!!!"
God, I Hate that Lazy Mentality . . . .
I read this comment the exact moment when he said that
we only want one thing Nintendo, and that is Paper Luigi and the Waffle Kingdom
Now that would be great
AHAHAHA
Are You seriors
Please let it be in the remake🙏🏾
"You only liked the old Paper Mario games because of nostalgia! You didn't actually like the formula!"
Bug Fables: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
When people say "don't judge a game by its trailer," I get confused. Like, that's the whole point of promotional materials; they show you the game to get you hyped (i.e. pre judge the game positively). If advertising doesn't make me want to play a game, don't blame me. Blame the ad campaign.
Well, nintendo is not that good in trailer. Most of the time.
Your right
Also, there's a difference between judging a game based on how it feels and seeing from promotional trailers that the game isn't a return to form to what you loved.
That reminds me of something that happened to me a while back. This was about SWSH before it released and I said it looked bad. Someone else said “you can’t judge a trailer,” and then a few minutes later they say “This game looks good.” That was a great conversation... the point of a trailer is so you can judge a game before buying it.
You said nothing that made sense the dont judge thing is to say that the game could be good but the trailers might be bad just watch a review i mean have you seen yoshis island trailer and its known as a great game
Pretty much agree with everything you said. This isn't quite a perfect analogy but I feel similar in regards to what happened to the Wario Land series, which died off in favour of Warioware, which aims to deliver an entirely different experience. It's a shame, Warioware is fine, but I really wish we were still getting Wario Land games.
the difference is that the next time they announce a new "Wario Land" you'll get to be confident that it isn't Warioware so there's a good chance it is closer to what you want, with Paper Mario they've done nothing to change the brand identity so every time they announce a new Paper Mario we're forced to wonder what kind of Paper Mario it is, instead of when a new Warioware is announced there's no reason to think it might be Wario land, cuz that's not what it's called.
Wario Land is very good but I wonder if they've ever thought about making another one for Wario World, I guess it's kinda the same game formula but in 3d, I've only played one wario land game so I could be wrong.
@@tomatot-rex7693 that game is so bizarre
I love it so much!
the difference is that paper Mario is the same series that changed his formula drastically
and Wario ware and wario land are a completely different series
if a new wario land comes out
probably Is going to have the same formula of the others
Wario Land didn't die because of WarioWare, where did you get this from?
Just started playing the first Paper Mario on my Wii U and I’m getting it more and more why it and the GameCube sequel are so good
Paper Mario 64 is Great!!! I grew up on that game, than played TTYD. I prefer paper mario 64, i think it's nailed its charm more than ttyd.
@@ruvimperna5532 same, but that might be my nostalgia talking.
GameCube games work on the Wii U?
@@alecavila2519 No, they were talking about playing the original one for the Nintendo 64.
Ruvim Perna I agree, PM64 is a masterpiece and I liked it way more than TTYD. One of the few game where I actually feared Bowser, oh it reminds me the old snes days with Mario World.
Why is Arlo so good at food analogies
Dang, he liked your comment lol
He really IS related to Cookie Monster, isn't he
Man I’m hungry now
Butternut squash? YES PLEASE!
It’s all those big, messy sandwiches he’s been fixin’ and eatin’
Trailer: Literally the one thing that's responsible to sell the product.
Fans: You can't judge it based on the trailer, man. That's so entitled.
The amount of times I, as a jrpg fan, have said "this trailer doesnt show us anything about the game" have been attacked, is crazy. so Many people always say "oh it's just the story trailer" well, yeah. But they could show gameplay. is it turn based? action? 2d or 3!? lol
Well, we still don't know if there will be a reason to fight normal enemies. If there is it'll probably be a good game, if not...
@@braydenb1581 Now a days it's specially a problem. Companies release CGI trailers with no gameplay whatsoever and expect us to be hyped. The sad thing is that it works.
I think they mean you can’t look at a few minutes if footage for a game and decide that the entire thing is terrible. You can judge some things but not the game in general. You can only judge the game when you do one of the following: Play the game, watch footage of the entire game, do lots of research on the game. That’s my opinion.
The thing is: you really can't say a game sucks based on a trailer. You can say it looks good/bad but you cant say how it's going to be withouy playing it.
I bet Nintendo is like, "You want RPGs? Go play Fire Emblem."
This comment utterly infuriated me and I don’t know why.
They literally said this but it was “you want RPGs? Play Mario&Luigi”
@@UltimateGenosyko ...And now AlphaDream is fucking dead.
Kind of reminds me of F-zero. "You want a new Nintendo racing game, stick to Mario Kart".
David Herrera I love just how stupid Nintendo is when generalizing the type of audience Mario Kart appeals to.
Why would any F-Zero fan play Mario Kart? When F-Zero is the VERY anti-thesis to that series?
It doesn’t have any items. You have a finite number of lives. You can go even faster than Mario Kart, and it’s level design is designed for that alone. And you have worldbuilding and lore behind why you have these racing taking place.
The best Mario Kart can provide to F-Zero fans is 200cc, and even then it’s way too fast for any level in Mario Kart besides the F-Zero DLC levels.
Just pisses me off really.
Does anyone else find it weirdly cognitively dissonant how the flagship default mainline MARIO series of games, the 3D platformer ones, get to go completely crazy with wild crazy imaginative ideas and concepts with every game, Odyssey more than ever making every world feel like a different art style and unique inhabitants? And whenever the rare opportunity comes that a spin-off Mario game gets to pluck a little piece of them it feels like a big deal, like say if Rosalina popped up in a Golf game. But no the spin-offs that revolve around exploring Mario's world and fleshing it out at a more personal level, the RPGs, they got to stick most of all to good ol' Super Mario Bros. settings and assets and scrape what they can from them.
It used to be the other way around.
@Uderscore, The Mario Luigi games don't stick to your typical settings. Even Color Splash has stuff like a pirate ship area, mines, a beach with a festival, a cave full of horror parodies, etc.
That happend when Miyamoto said them, that he just want generic Mario characters and simple story and Paper Mario sticker star was born
@@oscarcarbajal5135 Miyamoto only said that he wanted characters from the Mario universe. There's plenty they could have within those limitations - what about Super Mario World enemies? What about more Piantas from sunshine? What about variations of new toads of even some enemies inspired by Super Mario Galaxy? Miyamoto did not say, "Use Toads only". That's completely on them for adding toads.
@@mikemann9641 except paper jam.... to many toads........ the series should have ended at dream team imo.
Can't wait for Paper Mario: Paperclip Paradigm! Only 28 more years, guys!
Honestly I'm more excited for Paper Mario: The Ancient Pencil
Or what about Paper Mario: Crayola Chaos
Paper Mario: Marker Madness is going to sweep the VGAs.
Paper mario: Paper Craft Palooza
I need it now!
Arlo: Starts listing random game titles with a number of paper gimmicks for satire
The guy at Nintendo who loves paper gimmicks: WRITE THAT DOWN EVERYONE WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!
I swear somebody out there took the "bosses are things" idea from a heated satirized internet review, I can just feel it in my gut.
I don’t get in paper mario thousand year door there were paper gimmicks
MichaelTime
Not really. A handful of abilities were paper based, but those were barely used at all. Now, paper gimmicks are the entire game.
@@MichaelTime Back then it was a minor thing for a puzzle or two, and maybe a joke very infrequently. Now it is the entire focus of the game and humor.
Time to donate for Bug Fables 2: The Front Yard of Dreams.
Is that a thing? Can I do that?!?! They can have the $80 I’m not spending on Origami King 😱
Arlo (paraphrased): "It's okay to fall in love with a thing, and find yourself dissapointed when that thing stops being produced."
Me, a classic Star Trek fan: Yeah...
That should also amply to Star Wars as well!
Which is why when you find something that fills the space that old thing left behind, you are even more grateful to that new thing.
You will also never shake off the distrust you've gained with the creator/company for the old thing that ruined it (either by cutting it short or going in a completely different direction than what was so loved about it).
You might want to check out Star Trek: 25th Anniversary and Judgment Rites. Between the two games, they basically form an extra season of TOS.
@@SabinStargem If you happen to like the old school Scooby-Doo style the Star Trek animated series is surprisingly good.
There is also the fan made Star Trek Continues series on CZcams, which did get Chris Doohan in for his father's role as Scotty. Takes a little bit to adjust to the new actors, but the heart is certainly still there!
@@alyssaagnew4147 So what you will categorize Fallout 76 in that description?
Origami King feels less of a "hey we know what you've all been wanting!" type of game and more of a "here, now shut up" type of response
I think that’s a nice succinct way to put it.
yeah idk how anyone can say partners are back, they just look so far like enemies that follow you through the certain worlds and maybe auto attack in some battles they don't seem to have HP bars either and aren't in a lot of battle and boss footages, no where as playable/fleshed out as what the first 2 games did
Chandster feels like WoW in a way.
@@TwilightYonder720 paper mario 64 partners simplified
Like the 2 trailer screamed sceeamed the shut up.
Notice how most of the bosses are "things?",
Yeah they're now taking revenge because we used them as power in Color Splash and Sticker Star.
It has been foreshadowed beating a steak.
What if it's nintendo way of saying
"Hey fans, did you guys hated the Things from ss and cs? Well now you get to beat them up!"
@@TinyGuy97 That still isn't a way to bring back the OG Paper Mario series. Origami King is still a sequel to Sticker Star and Color Splash.
zjzr08 Mario beats the meat.
That's basically on the same level as the toad from color splash that admits he's just a generic faceless toad with no interesting or discerning qualities. Making fun of a problem doesn't fix that problem.
I'm not sure how anyone can make the "It's called 'Paper' Mario" argument when anyone else can point out that's wasn't always its name. The series was originally named "Mario Story", with the localized name outside Japan is "Paper Mario". While the Paper Mario name has stuck over time, the series (or at least, the first two games) was not made with "paper" as a major part of the theme or gameplay.
Notably, the moment they started to focus on the paper aesthetic was the moment the games veered away from the things that made the first two games so loved. So yeah, I'm certainly going to be hesitant about the game as well.
The olders game did have paper gimmick and it was based on Paper graphic style. If this was not case they would have gotten rid of flatness in other Paper mario games.. but no. It was technical limitation why they did not look like paper at that time.
@@abbasaltake1414 I don't remember any paper gimmick in Paper Mario 64, and even SPM (you could argue those are digital gimmicks).
@@zjzr08 I just played through 64, and I remember Mario falling slowly like paper in the Koopa Bros. fortress. That's all I can think of.
Other than the small, minor paper mechanics in TTYD, your argument about the series always being a paper gimmick is flat out wrong. Sure, there might have been small moments where as the commenter above mentioned Mario falling from Koopas fortress, it wasn’t a major part of the game. They weren’t shoving it down your throat every second. They weren’t shoving the paper aesthetic down your throat the entire game. It just gets real old after the 300th time the characters are like “haha we’re paper” within the first 20 minutes of the game.
@@zjzr08 Well, Mario swirls around like a sheet of paper while going into pipes, there is a cutout cardboard stage as an arena in TTYD, he can become a paper airplane (yes I know the reason), He can turn skinny when he turns at an angle in TTYD and SPM, revealing secrets shows a wall peeling off like a page of a book or a curtain passing over, and the opening is a book opening. But I wouldn't consider those paper gimmicks, just "storybook aesthetics"
I hope we get a mode that allows you to use the Ring-Con when battling
No we need a Wii wheel mode.
No we need an official virtual boy controller adapter so we can play paper Mario how it was meant to be played.
no we need...
*paper*
No, we need Labo VR to be mandatory. Before you can enjoy the paper craft asthetic, you need to MAKE the paper craft.
nah, we need Labo support so we can do the origami ourselves
"Do you ever get the feeling that there are eyes all around you? Hungry ears at very turn, treacherous little fingers that prod and paw and nab little bits of your world whenever you're not looking. Then you need a VPN." I'm pretty sure you also need a licensed psychoterapist, but what do I know.
Maybe not, 2020 Arlo. Maybe not.
I knew I had to check this comment section after this morning's bombshell
Arlo: Judges game based on marketing material literally designed to help people make a judgment about it.
Fans: How dare you.
You can't know if a game is good or not based on a trailer, that's just the true
@@Mqstodon example of your claim: Luigi's Mansion 3
Example of counter claim: Pokémon Sword and Shield
Basically, trailers are there to generate hype, but also give a first impressions view to people who might be thinking of checking out the game
@@Mqstodon yes you can??
That's the Fanbase in a nutshell!
Trailers may help with first impressions and I agree with arlo in this game but We cant know for sure until it comes out.
Sticker Star is like if Silksong just erased everything that made Hollow Knight great and became a game about pollinating flowers.
Sorry I read this comment wrong
Omg true
Lmfao true
frfr
I'm not gonna pretend I wouldn't enjoy that
I have a feeling that TOK had started before Nintendo realized that the M&L series wasn’t doing well. Bowser’s Inside Story DX was made for a dead system and it sold fewer than 30,000 copies worldwide, but I don’t think Nintendo realized that was going to happen. I think that’s why this game is still experimental, personally. I might totally be wrong, but who knows.
Just say what many people mean: we want mario rpg. It's about the RPG part, leveling up and story, not the paper.
Maybe we don't communicate this enough to Nintendo.
@S C I still can't wrap my head around this since the story is the one thing about SPM that I see pretty much unanimously praised. Like who the hell were all the people taking that survey?
I like the paper stuff...
With that description, can I just say:
The Mario and Luigi series *exists*
@@JustAnotherMike_ But its different, Paper Mario was THE Mario RPG with Mario & Luigi being the supplement.
@@zjzr08 Imo Mario and Luigi are way better than any paper mario game hands down. They have some of the best music and made it into an action packed rpg mario series that resonates easily. TTYD and 64 felt more like pokemon with not much action but mostly thoughts while M&L feels more like xenoblade.
It's just really annoying as a longtime fan to see the series change so much in the last few years. Origami King may actually turn out good but I just wish the series was still the way that I and many other people loved it as
At least games like Bug Fables have showed that people still adore the og Paper Mario games. Bug Fables is an amazing game and I hope more og Paper Mario fans especially pick it up and enjoy it as much as I have
Not everyone wants the same game for the third time some people are actually happy that they got creative with origami king. So please just try it and putt the nostalgia bullshit aside
@@Bennieboy918 I hate ignorant comments like yours. People like the games more than just nostalgia, so put aside that cowardly and nonsensical argument. It's pathetic. We aren't asking for the same game. We are asking for a sequel that expands upon the formula of the original games.
@@Dragular Whenever people make those sorts of comments, it's so obvious that they've never even touched the product they're talking about. I'm sure if they ACTUALLY played some of the earlier titles, their opinions would change.
@Why would you care about someone's name loser You are literally missing the point of why we loved those old games. It’s because the series was about being a great rpg series originally, not paper gimmicks
After watching ttyd clips, I now see why people hated sticker star and color splash. I really hope origami king will at least be like super paper mario. (Original characters and a good story)
it won't since theres some turn based it seems in origami, while super paper mario is not
@@pangrey8931 the story could be good ;-;
PK3705 the gameplay was pretty fun with being able to play as peach bowser and Luigi
The fact they gave up on all gameplay beyond paper themes instead of plot that conveniently is in a paper based world didn't help any.
If you've never played TTYD do try to get your hands on it
"Probably too old to care about a game series aimed at children"
I'm 28 in a few months and the first and second games were my childhood. Currently playing the original on the Wii, then it's on to TTYD. I do this once every couple of years or so. It never gets old, even if I do.
Ian Lindo same here. I'm 24 and grew up on the first two games. Spent a ton more time playing TTYD. Actually maxed out the game timer on my file screen at 99:99 because I played it that much! Pretty much 100% completed that game on my own without any guides or Internet or anything.. It was wonderful! I then played a ton of Super Paper Mario, but still like the original better. I played though Sticker Star just because it was on 3DS, but it wasn't that great. Still have never touched Color Splash..
@@austinmartin2927 I'm 30 now, and I feel exactly the same. Played Paper Mario when it first came out, and loved it. Played TTYD and was blown away! I used to write FAQs for that, to help others!
Super Paper Mario was alright, and I still play it every few years, with the other two.
But then I played Sticker Star. I was so disappointed with it. Only played once, beat once, never fully 100% completed everything, cuz it just wasn't worth it to me.
Never bothered with Color Splash.
Won't be bothering with Origami King
I'm 41. I played Super Mario RPG 7 Stars, and it was so good. A proper RPG, accessible for new RPG players and with just enough depth for people who knew JRPGs well.
I appreciate Nintendo thinking of the young players, and those without a ton of free time. But that's what an easy setting is for. 😔
Damn, "it never gets old, even if I do." are you reading my mind? I'm 27 and totally do the same thing, I feel you bro.
Moonsprout Games really said “we’ll do it ourselves, then.”
Apparently one of the 2 main developers of Moonsprout learned English when he was 5 just to play the first Paper Mario. I think you can understand why they basically made their own game in that style based on him alone.
@@PikaPhantom_ Bug Fables is not good. Without mario
What I always disliked about Sticker Star was that it didn’t need the Paper Mario branding. It felt like Intelligent Systems could have made a new IP with the battle system but added Paper Mario just to help the game sell more.
I’m sure the team at Intelligent systems is making the game they want, but this forth style should have been a new IP without needing Paper Mario attached.
Yeah, we're often criticised for not looking at the newer games as their own things, but Intelligent Systems sure as hell doesn't, so why should we?
Yeah the new Paper Mario games should be rebranded as “Mario’s Sticker World” or something.
Exactly. The new Paper Mario games feel like a completely different franchise. The original Paper Mario/Mario Story series has sadly been done, with Super Paper Mario being the last in the OG series.
i liked super paper mario for two main reasons the great deep story and the items the vast list of over 100 items
I agree. Even if Sticker Star would still be largely panned, it could have at least avoided the sheer backlash from people expecting a Paper Mario game.
Oh boy I can't wait until he covers Leauge of Leg- I mean Pokemon Unite
Happy most disliked official Nintendo video ever.
@@anueutsuho7425 nope, wasn't a Nintendo video
HappyFoxUniverse It was Nintendo related
@@jackolanternJOL maybe, in that it is on the Nintendo Switch, but outside of the mainline Pokémon games, Nintendo and The Pokémon Company work separately.
@@Vixikitsi and mobile devices.
When you say there's millions of people screaming and begging for a return, I think Nintendo is probably going to view that through the lens of "The Mario+Luigi games used classic RPG mechanics and they failed. The market just isn't there."
Its okay Arlo, you can rest now
You know, I never thought about how the better Paper Mario games were going for a story book look and not an actual papercraft world until you pointed that out, but shit man, you're totally right.
Well, the first Paper Mario's Japanese title was "Mario Story". tTYD was called "Paper Mario RPG" in Japan, that may have been the beginning of the end, planting the seeds of change that would lead us to "this is a game about paper first, not about story."
The best one looks like a colourful etch a sketch
@@LokiEris No, that's not how it works :) Lust like the original Mario Story, TTYD didn't put focus on Paper, rather concentrate moreso on the story. The Story in TTYD is even argueably better than the first game as well. In the development of TTYD in Japan, it's still called Mario Story 2 before Paper Mario RPG replace that name. And in Super Paper Mario, the story continues being the focus. It's until Sticker Star, where Intelligent System all of a sudden thinks"You know, this game is about PAPER Mario, so let's make a game about Paper Gimmicks" being the focus
I try to explain this to my friend who thinks this game looks to be a proper return with the partners coming back and all the other stuff. I told him the game was more than just the partners and badge system. These paper/arts-crafts gimmicks make the game feel too self aware. Nothing and no one acted out like they knew they were made from paper cutouts in the old games. Them and the story played out like it would any other tale set in a real world of flesh and blood. The paper curses in TTYD weren't gimmicks. Nor abilities you had from the very get go. 4th wall breaking? Sure. However they were still situational to the chapter you acquired them and could later be used for optional backtracking. The whole game was not built around them.
@@retrofan4963 I'm not saying that tTYD focused on paper. I'm saying that the change to "paper" in the title may have got some of the developers thinking about it. It's only a theory. Super was still good and I don't remember any paper references, but I could be misremembering.
Imagine if Nintendo released Paper Mario: Refolded.
*All Three Original Paper Mario Games*
Later... *Complete Remakes of Sticker Star and Color Splash.*
to brainlets in the reply's a re-make improves on what was bad in the original
Remaking bad games isn’t as ridiculous as people think it is. What’s the whole point of remakes...to improve upon aspects that could’ve been improved. SS and CS are examples of having great elements, but are ruined by awful ones. Yeah there are other games where everything has to be fixed, but these aren’t those games.
Stolen comment
*@Senior Shrek* I actually have a few ideas on stuff that could’ve been improved. For Sticker star, I think they really need a level up system. Basically instead of beating a boss and getting a new page, I think you can level up and get more pages in your Sticker book. Another level up could be HP. As for a third upgrade, I don’t really know. There isn’t any gimmick in Sticker Star that I think could warrant a third upgrade, so I’ll leave it at 2 for now. And I think some more character variety can be implemented. And I don’t mean huge characters added, I mean little added clothes or color differences to make the characters look unique. Example, the three Goombas in the “Prologue” and Level 1 of World 1, give the three different designs instead of being three generic Goombas. Another example is the Toad in Worlds 1,2,3,4 and 5, the one who gets beat up by random enemies. Give him a unique design! Don’t just have him look like a generic toad! He likes to paint right? Give him a painter outfit! Or just something to make him look unique! And a smaller detail for the battle system, allow the player to choose which sticker hits which enemy. That would be appreciated. These would definitely improve Sticker Star, while maybe not make it the best game ever, perhaps it would improve it to be a solid sequel. Maybe something like Super Paper Mario, where it’s not the game everyone is hoping for, but it can still give some joy to the game.
I think a deluxe color splash would be better than a remake. More areas, interconnected without map, that are unique and have unique npcs and a better battle system. Also expand on the story doing that. Then I wouldn't have an issue.
It's a bummer that Arlo is having to defend what he says so much, he's just providing an opinion on what we can see WHICH IS A LOT! Lay off our fuzzy hero, guys.
Defending his opinion is kinda his job though. Like, literally voicing his opinion and explaining why he feels that way. This naturally comes with differing views.
@@mysticbazuso36 The issue is that Arlo feels like he needs to reiterate himself like 20 times in his videos now, just because some asshats who can't just agree to disagree decide to tweet at him inappropriately.
@@Jimble ^ this. We've gotten to the point that there are people who can't handle the fact that people have differing views and can't understand their reasonings that they try to either go out of their way to prove you're wrong (Arlo has a whole video on the topic), or try to send inappropiate messages. Not everyone does, but it has gotten to the point that people think it's right to do so, and it's stupid.
@@mysticbazuso36 yes he always has to do this, however in this particular subject he has to more because there are so many little maggots who don't understand what opinions are and actually think Arlo is telling people to not like this game...
Well then I guess that's on him to decide whether to respond or not.
There was an interview released at VGC where the developers explain why they are not doing for the old direction. To make it short: They heard our complains, but they do not care. It is saddening.
I stumbled across a possible answer to the lack of unique characters: It is easier for licensing. When using the original characters it is easy to say what belongs to the IP and what not. If someone makes a new character with accessories etc. it is much harder to differenciate what is fanart and what is belonging to the Paper Mario IP. It is not really satisfying, but at least a better answer than "We do not care"
Or do they 🤔
1:25 Hey look, Mario's on a stage that's being watched by an audience, TTYD's battle system is clearly back guys -/s-
Christopher Moon bruh you’re everywhere
You could summon Bowser’s minions with cards in Color Splash, the partner system is clearly back guys -/s-
Bullshit
Jace Hill /s
@@derple8524 bruh
To be honest, as someone who is actually a big fan of SS, CS, and is excited for OK
I understand where you're coming from.
You just simply want a franchise that has been dormant since 2007 or 2004 (It depends on if you see Super as a true continuation or not) to return from the dead.
Donkey Kong may have continued to get new games after the Country series but the Country series was still dead. and likewise, when it did come back, it arguably still didn't since Returns and TF, much like Origami King, are very different games in a lot of ways.
A game being different doesn't mean it's bad or low quality.
It just means it's not the same.
I feel the people who think you're moronic for feeling this way are missing that point.
You don't necessarily want Nintendo to stop making "Paper Mario" games.
You just want them to revive the "Mario Story" series. That's all you're asking for.
and that is perfectly valid.
I couldn’t have summed it up any better, that’s perfect!
Have a Paper Luigi spinoff that’s more story driven
Returns wasn't as polished as TF and are still not that bad compared to the originals.
Can't really say the same for Paper Mario though... as I played TTYD first and they ditched the original stories and interesting gameplay for a colorbook-style design post-SPM, which I'd just rather get a coloring book in real life xD
OK at least looks better than CS, but honestly doubt its gonna be better than Bug Fables
at this point we might as well just ask for Mario RPG 2 instead
Remember when PM 64 was actually going to be called SMRPG2? It's so weird to see the series actively avoid RPG elements in this day and age with that in mind. I personally don't mind this at all of course but it does come across as very stubborn.
I’d like to think Paper Mario is entering the Sonic fandom curse: inconsistent styles and qualities of a series which lead to inconsistent opinions and division of a fanbase
Or Star Wars?
That is a dark fate indeed
That is scarily accurate.
PatsandSox95
Be prepared for the series getting its own equivalent to the sequels...
3 weeks later and you be even more right
Whew at least bug fables exists
Great timing too. So fun on switch
At least Bug Fables has filled a lot of that void. If they can continue to make good Bug Fables games, then I'm OK with Paper Mario being a different experience
Or even differently themed games with the same style.
Like more Bug Fables would be cool, but what if they made other games with the 'Fables' tag that are the same style of game but with different themes? Kind of like how the Tales games are all the same style of game but different worlds and stories.
@@ABemis Just hope they become bigger with more resources so they games are not only in english...
Even my english is not bad a whole RPG game is a bit difficult if your Native language isnt english
Can't really say it completely fills it since there's no Mario in it. Maybe does fill the gameplay void, but I don't feel like it fills the Mario side of that void.
@@connorbeith3232 I agree so hard. Bug Fables is almost a copypaste of TTYD, but it's still just a copypaste. It's not a Mario story, it doesn't have mario characters and settings we are familiar for. Granted, Bug Fables is a terrific game, but it's not Mario's universe.
@@Acacius1992 the language barrier gave me an especially hard time with finding recipe combinations out by myself
Legend has it he’s still waiting for all of you to go play Bug Fables
Bug Fables is exactly as good as Arlo says it is, and I didn't believe him at first. I think some folks will pass it up just because it doesn't have the reputation Nintendo has, which is understandable. But still, maybe that game will find a solid base if Origami King doesn't deliver the goods.
I didn't like the og Paper Marios as a kid, but I gave Bug Fables a try. Kinda regretted it. Wish it was physical so I could trade it.
I started playing bug fables. It is really good overall, has an interesting story, the strategy part of the battles is awesome (even better than that of the two first Paper Mario, I'd say), but the platforming sections can get a bit frustrating at times... this specific aspect of the game I feel could use some more polish. Maybe we get that in a Bug Fables sequel some time :)
Can you turn the sound off for bug fables? I watched a few videos given the hype but cannot deal with the noise the characters make when talking.
GrimsonForce I had same problem when starting. Good thing there’s a Setting for dialogue volume.
16:30
Oh don’t forget *”Paper Mario and the Cookey Confetti Conundrum!”*
I'll hold on to the hope maybe someday it'll go back to its roots.
To those who say nostalgia glasses, I bought bug fables and the spark for wanting og paper mario grew stronger.
"Being wrong is, like, my favorite"
We love you Arlo
-bring it out of the dark pit
*Shows Dark Pit*
dark pit’s dark pit
I think Nintendo makes games their own way out of spite sometimes. They hate being told what to do and how to do it
That's what i like about Nintendo. Their one of the most successful game companies known to man, and have entire teams of developers. And the more the fans demand of Nintendo, the most likely Nintendo will listen, cuz Nintendo is free to make games how they want to
infinite dragonscar Looks like they don’t listen to different things, especially when it comes to their OG audience, which is older gamers, who grew up with them since the NES when it was actually released.
Or maybe they make games their own way sometimes, because they feel it will be for the best. You sure have a cynical outlook, don't you?
They absolutely spite their fanbase. They spite the entire gaming industry. They are so enamored with the smell of their own ass, especially in a post-Wii era. They literally think they know better than everyone else and would rather tell you what kind of game you should like rather than make a game that you know you'd like.
This arrogant philosophy extends into both their software and hardware development. They insist on pumping out dated technology with a random gimmick to justify it. Even in the cases where the gimmick is a cool concept (such as Wii or Switch), they also insist on putting in less than the bare minimum in regards to including even the most basic of modern multimedia, communication, and online features. The only modern online feature they adopted this generation is the fact that they charge you money for it. Other than that, they've actually REMOVED features from their consoles, much in the same way they remove features (or new entries) in many of their iconic franchises.
Ironically, for as much as Nintendo prides itself on innovation, they are equally as proud of their own stagnation and regression.
@@N.i.E.M.O HOT DAMN! That was so fire I think I can smell an entire forest burning down!
I've learned to accept the fact that Paper Mario is dead. I gotta hand it to Nintendo. They taught me a very valuable life lesson. Accepting that something is gone and learning to let go. I'm letting it go.
Very Mature of you.
So much for that
@@Entertainmento_And that’s why maturity is foolish 🤪
16:33 I’m going to remember these names because of how scarily good Arlo is at predicting games
Bug Fables definitely scratched the Paper Mario Itch!
Saw the Arlo review and I gotta say that the community and the game are both amazing. Beat it 100% on hard mode. (Probably because they are so close with the original Paper Mario fans)
Uh definitely don’t want to be scratched by bugs.
I'm with you. The moment I saw the combat and partners, as well as the rotation timer, I knew the series as I knew it was done for. I won't be getting Origami King, but at least I'm still enjoying Bug Fables.
Yrah the Partner thing annoys me the most. I mean yeah Personality is the most important for a Character.
But is it ask too much for a at least a bit different Design?
Yes Design is not everything, but thats not a excuse for being lazy and just copy/paste Design...
@@Acacius1992 Worst part: partners aren't with you forever.
To everyone in this thread: The worst part for me was the new battle system and the field being crowded with collectibles. And what was with those partners? All near useless, one shot attacks that sometimes miss... so disheartening. Honestly I feel like the way they experimented with Super Paper Mario was amazing. I honestly feel like they should have given us a platformer paper mario again rather than a puzzle paper mario. I know that in SPM gameplay is a common gripe, but I think the game was amazing and from rpg to platformer, given the battle quality in sticker star and color splash, I feel like the series would have done a lot better as a platformer than a gimmicky battle-type puzzle game where most rpg elements are badly designed anyhow.
100% agree here. I've seen a lot of people dismiss people being disappointed, and it's always so confusing to me. Let me be sad that the thing I liked isn't what I like anymore.
I also want to say: I don't mind if they use Paper gimmicks in Paper Mario. That wasn't really the issue for me. I see those as potentially really interesting if they are treated with some tact, and not just "haha we're made of paper!" Both Color Splash and Origami King have a element of darkness in them that *could* be really cool in a game like Thousand Year Door. The idea that people get the color sucked out of them, or get converted into origami versions of things has the potential to be kinda spooky/unnerving in a narrative sense if they were taken seriously. It's kind of like a kid friendly version of the concept of body horror, and it works.
Let's, for a minute, imagine a game like Paper Mario where they used those two ideas, but in a less self-aware sense. Like, everything was still made of paper and the like, but it was treated like it was in the first batch of Paper Mario games. Imagine the bad bad is sucking the life-force of the population out of people to fuel their quest for world conquest, or to summon an ancient evil being visualized by the act of sucking the color out of people ala Color Splash. Imagine they took the idea of origami-ifying and treated it as this almost uncanny valley sense, where you are faced with things that look familiar, but extremely "off," ala the opening moments of the Origami King trailer. As far as I'm concerned, this could be really, really neat.
You could do this with almost any paper gimmick, and if it wasn't trying to be cute/coy with the idea by making everyone talk about being creased or soggy or whatever paper term. Modern Paper Mario is too focused on being like "we all know we're made of paper, isn't that funny?" and it's distracting. There are ways to do the paper gimmick concepts well, but the Paper Mario devs/Nintendo just don't seem interested in being clever with them when it comes to games "aimed at children."
Yes I agree, look at super paper mario, a game that was super different game play wise to the first two games, but was still really liked by a lot of people because it got that tone down right and let the story take itself seriously enough
@@partylikeits1066 And that's one reason why we love it
I really appreciate how much you've doubled down on Bug Fables
It’s really really good!!!
"You can't assume anything about the game by its trailer!"
Buh...what are trailers for, then?
Trailers are technically MEANT to make you assume stuff about the game, but it's reductive to say that you can get an accurate picture of the game or film or whatever from it.
I feel like trailers can be misleading and Nintendo has been guilty of making trailers that make the games seem more than what they really are. One of the BOTW trailers showed this really action-packed sequence will epic swelling music, and they used pretty much every cinematic they had in the game to sell us on it, but it gave this false impression that it was this epic, story-heavy game, which it wasn't. Don't get me wrong, BOTW was incredible, but it waaay more meditative than that one trailer led a lot of people to believe.
Granted, a lot of this comes down to people hyping themselves up for the game, but I do think the assertion that you can't assume fully assume everything from a trailer is a fair one. They often share too little to give anyone a good picture, and they're not meant to be a full picture, cause then you spoil the game.
That said, Arlo's probably right that it's probably not going to be the game he wants. I think you definitely can tell that much from what we've seen.
I just really hope people give the game a fair chance when it comes out and aren't too caught up in the frustration of it not being like the originals (I may have not played the originals, but I don't blame anyone for being annoyed that they seem to refuse to go back to its formula). I want this game to be good, and for Nintendo to not give up on Paper Mario. It'd be a tragedy if it got bombed again because all that, and while I doubt a majority of people will do that, I know gamers will do a lot of gross stuff for less.
Exactly, the trailers literally show you parts of the game and scenes and they exist to sell you on the product. If the company has tried to entice you and yet you still don't like what you see than you are almost 100% not going to like the game
Some trailers are very misleading, that's why. Remember No Man's Sky? Anthem? No Man's Sky is good not but how long did that take? Lol
I feel like exp may be in the game, we just have no evidence on either side.
Exactly, pre youtube days if we saw a trailer of a game on t.v. and we didn't like it or we didn't hear good news about it from our friends then we wouldn't buy it. Rarely would we ever take a chance and just buy a game just to buy it.
On a side note, I do have to kind of applaud paper mario origami kings game trailers, they broke the trend of spoiling literally everything about the game before we play it.
APPARENTLY NOT! TTYD REMAKE WOOHOHO
Everyone else: Waiting for a sequel to TTYD
Me: Still waiting for a sequel to Super Mario RPG
Exactly not everything has to be an rpg i enjoyed color splash way more than TTYD because TTYD is just another generic boring turn based rpg
@@Bennieboy918 uh... okay
@@Bennieboy918 I don't think you played it. It defintely far from a generic turn based rpg. Why you say that? This is coming from someone who doesn't like generic jrpgs by the way so I'm curious.
@@TinyGuy97 because it's just Mario but turn based badge rpg with paper mechanics thrown in the exploration while games like mario and Luigi paper jam and color splash and as it looks now the origami king go more into detail with the paper mechanics hell if you took away the paper mechanics from TTYD it would not change very much and now fans are getting mad because it's not the same cookie cutter game again
@@TinyGuy97 like if you want rpgs play persona or the recent final fantasy remakes but leave Nintendo to do actual original things
"Don't judge based on the trailers"
As others have said, yeah it seems kinda silly for people to say "don't judge based on the trailer" when the entire point of the trailer is to persuade you to buy the game. But even more than that, I feel like it's a dishonest criticism because even if you waited for reviews and said "game looks weak" or bought and played the game and said "yeah I still don't like it", they wouldn't suddenly be like "Well OK, you have now acquired a sufficient level of evidence for to judge the game". They would still find a reason to call you entitled, unreasonable, whiny, or whatever ad hom.
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And aside from that, unfortunately the quality of the last two games does function as evidence for the quality of The Origiami King. If you make two bad/not-great games in a row, you have a higher burden of proof to demonstrate your next game will not also be not-great. Like if you didn't enjoy Halo 4 & 5, you should probably be wary of the quality of Halo 6 even if they seem to have learned some lessons. It is totally valid and reasonable to be skeptical; probably more reasonable than looking at the trailers and assuming they've suddenly just figured everything out.
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I'm not saying with any of this that The Origami King will be bad; it probably will be better than Color Splash. I'm not super sure if I'll buy it at release, but I am...somewhat optimistic about it. But I do get tired of people asserting or implying that this is a return to form, or that past criticisms of the games have been addressed. (People jumped the gun with "Partners are back!" and best, they didn't really understand WHY people wanting partners back and what that means and at worst--no, they didn't bring them back.)
It really is a two-way streak. With the nature of the internet today, it has become instinctive to try and needlessly defend your argument under the fear that you're gonna get harrassed. I, admittedly, am one of the people who try to dismiss others disappointment as "entitled", as I kept getting told that I was "not a TRUE fan".
"You can't judge without having played the game"
But
"don't like it, don't buy it"
or
"if you don't like the game why did you even bother to play?"
@@ricardoquerubin3962 I do not endorse No True Scotsman-type arguments, so I would not say people who like Sticker Star/Color Splash/The Origiami King are "not true Paper Mario fans"
Probably at best, the observation I would make is that generally, people who like Paper Mario 64/TTYD REALLY REALLY REALLY LOVE those games, often to where they list them as some of their favorite games of all time and can go into immense and excruciating detail as to why, whereas at best I see the people who like Sticker Star/Color Splash as a more passive "I like Color Splash." You just don't really see people listing Color Splash as one of their favorite games ever, even if they do say they like it. But as I said, that is just an observation, not something I judge people's credibility on.
(OK, I won't lie, if someone said Sticker Star was their favorite game ever I'd probably find that pretty strange.)
I hate it when people act like you can only react positively to a trailer. "Oh, you think this game looks fun? Yeah it probably is." "Oh, you think this game doesn't look fun? YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED IT OMG YOU BABY!"
If Alpha Dream wasn't also history, then this wouldn't be nearly as important to me. Without Paper Mario, there are no more classic Mario RPGs.
If they won't fix Paper Mario, can they at least revive Mario and Luigi RPGs?
Actually, I bet Alpha Dream could've made better Paper Mario games than -Nintendo- Intelligent Systems.
I don't know why they needed to get rid from any original idea. Why miyamoto told to Intelligent systems to stop creating original plots, characters and system combat?
@@YoshoRay
He only told them to tone down on the original characters.Intelligent System did the rest.
Paper Mario games are made by Intelligent Systems, not Nintendo.
well Paper Jam does exist, which is just trash and just a sticker star crossover
@@plant433 it's not trash
Personally, I say its dead for good. And the reason is simple: Either I am right and I can't possibly be disappointed by any future reveals because any Paper Mario game getting released from Sticker Star will play like that, or I am wrong and I can only be pleasantly surprised.
When you set your hopes and expectations to nonexistant, its impossible to be disappointed.
Sad but true in this day and age
That can be said about every aspect of 2020.
I really hate Kensuke Tanabe. That stupid prick thinking what we actually want.
Hmm interesting statement
The last part is wrong. I (and many others) were expecting nothing for the other game reveal at the latest Nintendo treehouse. That bakugan was still extremely disappointing.
This is disheartening. Nintendo has never been one to drop a sequel that simply uses the same mechanics as the previous title, they always have to do something "new" to their detriment. It's the reason they haven't given us a new F-Zero, because they dont know what "new" to do with the series. However, if Mario Galaxy 2's success shows them anything, it's that more of the same can be amazing! Still hoping they get it right someday and give us follow ups in the style of the original Paper Mario games we've always wanted. Cheers.
This aged horribly. Actual terrible shit
@@jaretco6423 *You're
It's like replacing a good savory dish with a sweet dish named as a savory dish -- the latter may taste great, but it's not a savory dish; it's just being sold to you as one.
Honestly I think arlo speaks for the majority of people when he says "I dont speak for everyone"
Alright, that was... yeah good one.
Yeah, but that's still not everyone
Doesnt speak for me
@@theARDISAN I actually loved Color Splash tbh
I do not mind the lack of original characters at all. I actually think that the og Paper Mario titles do not feel like Mario games because of all of the weird obscure characters. In my opinion, they just look like some random RPGs with Mario as the main character and a few Mario enemies here and there.
Color Splash was hilarious so I kept playing to have a good laugh. I played through the whole thing and loved it.
Not really. I'm with him with the original characters thing even tho I love exploring individual generic character stories like for example the Bob-omb Bobi.
But when it comes to the art style, I LOVE paper theme and I think it looks better than ever in The Origami King.
I'M JUST GLAD THAT ORIGAMI KING HAS THESE THINGS THAT SEPERATE IT FROM COLOR SPLASH OR STICKER STAR:
1. Bowser's NOT the Main antagonist(Have someone ELSE be the main antagonist in the Spinoff Games such as Paper Mario and M&L; **cough** Unlike in Dream Team, Paper Jam, Color Splash, & Sticker star, **cough**)
2. Unlike Kersti & Huey; OLIVIA IS N-O-T MARIO'S ONLY TRAVELING COMPANION THIS TIME
3. NO Disposable Cards/Stickers to be found on the overworld anywhere
4. Badges
5. Interesting Battle System
6. YOU Don't Collect things anymore; YOU FIGHT AGAINST THEM!!
Oh there's something wrong with the main antagonist of the Mario series being the big bad in a Mario game? Even when they do it especially well (*cough* Dream Team *cough*)?
Well there are BREAKABLE weapons which are very similar to consumable attacks, and the THINGS are not any better as Bosses (plus the partners are generic, short-lived, and hardly used, making them a crappy version of the OG partners)
@@adamkogut6084 Bruh, the old partners only became a tool to use after their introduction trailer. They barely had any development past the chapter you got them.
In two playthroughs of TTYD my favorite partner is Bombery. But I have never found my self liking nor caring about Flurrie. I upgraded all my partners to the max except for her.
But with Oragami King its likely you only have one partner in your party at a time. This allows the player to grow more attached to each partner rather than favouring one through the whole journey. I won't deny that that Kamek and Bobby are VISUALLY bland. Kamek has a good excuse since he is already a pre-established charcter. Bobby has no excuse for not looking unique, although his dialogue is pretty good so far.
tl;dr There is pros and cons for different party systems.
@New3DSLUIGI364 bruh huey was great tho
like he had a personality and was funny too
Antasma hello? He was the main villain in dream team. Bowser was the last minute villan who betrayed him.
“But hey, maybe I’m wrong. I’m wrong all the time! Being wrong is my favorite!” This wholesome energy is why Arlo is a shining beacon on CZcams :’)
Yeah. Nintendo isn't going to give us what we want on this. But we can move on now. Bug Fables shows that people see us and are willing to provide.
They are just trying something new and sometimes new is good
@@potatohero51 Nintendo's been "trying something new" with paper mario for years, and it has NEVER been good. Super Paper Mario is the only example of new Paper Mario being good and the community is heavily split on that game. Nintendo needs to go back to formula.
megaman37456 COLOR SPLASH IS GOOD.
@@fennemon Eh.. no. Trash gameplay, trash story, trash pacing. If all of that is bad, a game cannot be good. Sorry.
@@fennemon No it is not.
Fans: We want an RPG Paper Mario!
Nintendo: Got it, a Ring Playing Game
*And thus, Ring Fit Adventure 2 was created.*
I would be glad even if they did something along the lines of super
Super is a fucking masterpiece
What if the original style is rebranded as “Mario Story” and the new style is just “Paper Mario” for future entries. Heck, now that we have more powerful hardware Mario Story could have non flat models and just be a normal Mario large rpg.
So Super Mario RPG 2?
_"What if the original style is rebranded as “Mario Story”_
HOLY SHIT, that is exactly what i thought about a few minutes ago.
@@mushroomfusion245 I mean they can't use the name, so maybe make it New Super Mario RPG, hehe.
@@zjzr08 That's still using the Super Mario RPG name though lol
@@mushroomfusion245 Exactly. The OG Paper Mario games are designed to be sequels of Super Mario RPG: Legend of Seven Stars anyway.
It feels like the lack of creativity for character designs is part of their branding in order to create well known characters to earn them more money in the market, and that's a shame.
It's weird too, because the uniqueness was what got me hooked, as a kid, back in the day.
Like "Look! there's a goomba with lipstick and there is a grandpa one!" x)
And I specifically remember my eyes being drawn to TTYD's box thanks to Hooktail and Cortez just casually being there.
Honestly that's part of why Odyssey felt so strange to me. It had more originality than any Mario game in half a decade.
Such a dumb reason. Having mario in the cover is enough.
That's just fucking dumb; who cares about the Koopa kids? Why would anyone prefer generic toads to more unique ones?
@@anueutsuho7425 main Mario games probably have more freedom in creating new characters than spin offs. That's only my guess tho.
As Woolie said in his recent blind playthrough of TTYD:
"Oh my god, this is incredible. And it's never happening again."
Pretty sure that's a direct quote, if not it's definitely the gist.
Never has praise been so depressing x)
Where can I find that?
@@ForrestFox626 Check WoolieVS on CZcams. I believe he just posted episode 1 of his TTYD playthrough. It's a fresh set of eyes that have never played TTYD before and it's pretty interesting to see someone new see the exact reasoning behind why we keep asking for another game in that style.
"being wrong is like my favorite" - man, arlo, youre a legend. also, thank you for having such a reasonable and honest way of thinking in an era that people tend to think that the louder you speak and the more provoking you sound makes your statements more valid. great video, waiting for the next one
Funny how he never mentioned super paper mario throughout this whole video
I've given up hope Arlo. I doubt we will even get a TTYD remaster but that is what I long for.
I don't think they will ever make an original new Paper Mario, but Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story both got remakes long after the Original Character Purge(tm), so don't lose hope!
Even if no sequels to 64 and TTYD, bring them in some way to the modern consoles. They’re getting high priced for a reason. Xenoblade knew that on Wii and got a remake. We’re getting to the point where not every household will even have a Wii anymore. Or the long-lasting GCN Controller.
@@mredbadger Yeah but only Paper Jam lacked originality. Dream Team still had plenty of it. Besides, Paper Jam was a crossover game.
@@mredbadger The Bowser's Inside Story Remake was the most pointless game I've ever seen Nintendo release. And I love Bowser's Inside Story
There is the bug's fable game that Arlo has talked about and that looks great.
I'm the same with Bug Fables, I finally got around to playing it when it came out on Switch (I had bought it on pc but kept not getting around to it).
But it truely was the game I was waiting for, and now I'm far more ready to accept Origami King for what it's going to be.
I feel like Arlo doesn’t show super paper Mario the recognition it deserves. Super paper mario was extremely different yet damn near the best game in the series due to its brilliant writing, beautiful music, captivating and dark story, and unique and memorable characters. Super paper Mario is a good example of how you can try different things but still keep true to the series. I believe that in 2012 Nintendo completely changed their gaming perspective to not take their games in a serious manner anymore and to make things extremely simplistic and appealing to kids and younger audiences which is why we get sht like sticker star and color splash.
No
Your so right even the gameplay has changed going back in the past the games were hard, like super Mario sunshine, paper Mario, now there no extremely hard but you see the difference between Mario sunshine and odyssey, the games now are more for the chill audience and not for the real real gamer. Who like a challenge! Love Nintendo tho
Hey Arlo... Good news homie!
Considering how much dismissal and mockery I’ve seen thrown at those dissatisfied with series even outside of Paper Mario, some people may need a reminder that it’s ok to be disappointed with something as long as you aren’t a jerk about it
Well it's the internet. So the rude obnoxious mean spirited people always get a bigger say then most rational fans of the series. So I can't personally blame them for having a skewed perception of the backlash
The internet can't escape these problems and not much can be done
People like Arlo though are certainly good at making things clear for MOSTLY everyone
And with the inherent pitfalls of the internet in this sense. Arlo's efforts are very commendable
@@TheGameCreator13 Twitter is such a terrible place lol. Like I actively use it for news and checking up on creators I follow, but there are times where I stop and think "wow, there isn't a single post I've seen all day that's been not toxic" and just kinda feel bad lol. It may seem like a joke but looking at all of the unrealistic negative there can really bring you down if you dive in too much.
@TheGameCreator13 Completly agree. The internet often shoves the most angry/upset voices front in center. And while Arlo does express being upset or sad, I never remember him being hateful
Chandster Ironically I see those types of post than the ones complaining being accusatory to others upset about the game. That being said, the people that are civil with opposite opinions may very well experience a similar thing. Civil conversations with people with differing opinions are rare on the internet
As a Sonic fan, that food/game analogy hit really hard.
Whenever I revisit the Adventure games, I reallly wish we got more of that. A GOOD more of that, not 06 x)
But seriously, SA1 is an unpolished mess, but is still a blast, I can't begin to imagine what a better take on that would be like :D
VonFirflirch I can agree! I’m not as big on the adventure games as others are, but
even I wish Sonic Team would go back to that style. I like the boost formula a bit more but after Forces, a return to Adventure would absolutely be great.
God I just want another Adventure game with the chao garden... we’ve got classic love, we’ve got boost love, where’s the Dreamcast love, sega?
Like what?Grow over yourself all franchises have bad games.No two related games were bad.A bad game always had a good game with it.Stop it,grow over yourself you won't die because of a bad game.You all act like you are being whipped and fed nostalgia while green hill isn't even as used as mushroom kingdom.
@@theheroickid9106 I think that boost formula is a mistake. Sonic is about getting speed gradually and being able to mantain it, not about being fast all the time.
The super early beta version of sticker star was the exact same design of the first two games. The battles were on a stage, the goombas still had their old design, Mario was going to have partners (the only known partner was a chain chomp you could sling into bricks/blocks), and it was going to go back to how it use to be. Till this day no one knows not even the people who helped with the know why they changed it all into stickers and stars and things and a 3/10 story line and why they made it such a short game. But yeah it was amazing. You can even find like mabey 3 to 5 videos of the beta version.
The bottom line is that Nintendo is afraid of, or perhaps disgusted and ashamed by, its own past. And no matter how much its player base begs, it will never go back to it.
I think all the vpn ads are trying to warn us of something...
Like pokemon unite? Tencent probably put spyware in it.
Meh, the only time people actually use vpns is when they're trying to do stuff they aren't supposed to do
Whoops there was a typo 😅
@@purplecipher6961 Well, VPN's don't exactly protect your data from everyone. They just divert your data through them instead. If the VPN is low quality or if it's sketchy, then your data is still at risk.
I use vpns to watch tv shows that I can't watch in my country
Why not just use incognito mode?
If old Paper Mario is dead, at least a good trilogy was made.
Also as someone who demands Wario World 2 this isn't the worst thing ever.
Half of the time only half of Paper Mario fans include Super Paper Mario with good Paper Mario because honestly it only had half of what was good about the first two games.
Wario World is such a strange but cool game, would dig a sequel.
I would argue that super mario rpg fits in more with the first two paper marios than super does.
@@fledermausmann27 What half, I say it's more 2/3 at least.
e x p a n s i o n p a k I’d say it falls more into the Mario and Luigi series, but that’s just me.
14:43 "Is it still nostalgia if you like old stuff NOT because it reminds you of times past, but because old stuff DOES things you like that new stuff DOESN'T DO?" ~Yahtzee (paraphrase)
Sometimes it really is that simple, folks.
"Will Classic Paper Mario ever return?"
It already did. It's called Bug Fables
No
At this point, I don’t even care if the game is like the originals, as long as it’s a good game, I’ll be happy. It doesn’t seem like Nintendo wants Paper Mario to be what we want Paper Mario to be, and I’ve come to terms with that.
What if I want it to be like this. Doing a different thing every game.
@@theARDISAN then you've had that for now 4 games in a row. let the older fans have a game they would want
Well they did fire the OG devs
I agree
I like new things and keeping it fresh
Just watched the new trailer, I am devastated to say this is sticker star 3
Bug Fables is literally the TTYD sequel we’ve been waiting for. I played it, it 100%ed it. I’m playing it again. And to be honest, I’m more than likely not going to get origami king because BF satisfied and even surpassed my paper Mario needs in a spectacular manner.
I'm trying to 100% it but stopped after I was driven crazy by the flappy bird game. I adore the rest of the game but wish I could get rid of the damn flappy bird.
I would say that IS doesn't want to do a traditional RPG Paper Mario anymore because of the M&L series, but with the closure of Alphadream and the series currently being in limbo this argument doesn't stand anymore
I could see that, considering sales of the M&L series just shriveled up so much.
That wasn't even a good argument on its time, but I wouldn't be happy or expect a new Paper Mario as an RPG
this game was started developed before even Alpha dream went bankrupt
He’s talking about the Color Splash interview from a couple years ago were one of the developer said “ Because the M&L exist we don’t need TWO RPG series” which got a lot of backlash for obvious reasons. (2016 was not a good year for Nintendo)
I’d never say it’s “done for”. There are many franchises that we never thought would ever get a return to form, but they did (Crash Bandicoot, Donkey Kong Country, 2D Sonic, 3D Mario, etc), so there will always be a chance that the old style could come back.
This right here is where you're right! Never say never!
@Marisa Nya I mean, with the Sm64 and Odyssey comparison, they both still have emphasis on exploration/nonlinarity and collecting stars/moons, which is what people have been asking 3D Mario to "go back to" for a while.
Good point
This guy gets it!
I mean to be fair it goes the other way around too. Just look at the comment section of the trailer, whenever anyone says something good about the game, you have at least one reply, screeching about how it's not TTYD.
Thank you Arlo. Many dont get how old fans feel. People think we are always negative but clearly we just dont want the series going in this direction. Thank you for explaining the opinions many dont see.
*comes here after seeing the reviews of Origami King*
Yep i think that Nintendo has officially lost sight of what made the original three games great. Feels like the heart, soul and creativity of the characters, worlds and stories we remembered from the first 3 titles are dumbed down.
Original games: Paper MARIO
Games after SPM: PAPER mario
Agree. AKA for the original games: Mario STORY.
@@retrofan4963 Only the first game was "Mario Story" by the way.
Its so weird.. cause they Went back to Mario 64 open levels for Odyssey , and and open world for zelda.. but they OUTRIGHT refuse to make paper mario into a proper RPG again.. DESPITE that Mario & Luigi is probably dead now.
Kinda hypocritical if you ask me
@Caio Coelho Wanna take a guess who orders and pays for that development? If Nintendo wanted the developer to go back to the old style, they'd go back to the old style.
Also, all three of those games were at least partially developed by Nintendo itself so your argument is moot.
Well to be fair, Paper Mario: The Origami King probably started development before Alpha Dream filed for bankruptcy. Doesn't mean Nintendo won’t try their hardest to differentiate the two series though and while they will probably succeed, it isn't what the fans want.
UPDATE: After seeing that article that just came out a day before Origami King came out, it seems that it has less to do with differentiating the two RPG series and more so to having it as faithful to platformer Mario as possible. This is probably due to Miyamoto being outright stubborn when it comes to other studios handling Mario. My solution for Nintendo and Intelligent Systems would be for them to make a brand new IP using the classic Paper Mario formula, good storytelling and while still doing whatever with modern Paper Mario. And if Nintendo won't allow that, indie devs will and they already have in fact (i.e. Bug Fables).
I’m sick and tired of people saying that M&L is dead. I understand why people think that, but Nintendo is one of the most profitable companies in the world. I want one excuse on why they can’t loan AlphaDream some money.
@@seniorshrek6197 maybe they waited for the company to bankrupt, so they could join Nintendo and avoid paying a full company yo do the job rather than paying less money for your employees to do it
What a lot of detractors think is that we want another clone of The Thousand-Year Door. Not true. What we want to see is Nintendo return to the formula that worked and build on it. Much like what Alpha Dream did with their Mario and Luigi series. Bowser's Inside Story played quite differently from Superstar Saga, but they incorporated interesting gameplay mechanics to keep things fresh. With Paper Mario they just keep inserting stupid gimmicks that detract from the experience, rather than adding to it. We liked the badge system because it worked. We liked the story because it engaged us. Another example is Mario Odyssey. Even though Super Mario Odyssey incorporated a "capture" gimmick not seen in the previous games, it still stuck closely to the Mario 64 formula that a lot of fans wanted to see for so long. And it improved on it! If Nintendo can make 4 New Super Mario Bros. games, then what's stopping them from making a Paper Mario like the first two? If Intelligent Systems doesn't listen to their fans they're going to go the way of AlphaDream.
Like it or not, Intelligent Systems at least has Fire Emblem to fall back on - so they ain't goin nowhere anytime soon...
And to end on a subpar crossover between the two Mario RPG series, I wasn’t ready for
Alpha Dreams to go.
@@SmashBroD Fire Emblem is doing okay now, but it's been rocky. They could still easily make another misstep with Fire Emblem and if that flops along with Paper Mario, it's not out of the question that they would go the way of AlphaDream.
I'm afraid Origami King will be a double-edged sword in a way. If the game is good, then hey, the game's good. However, I'm pretty sure there was an interview years ago where Nintendo basically said the Sticker Star/Color Splash formula was the new style going forward. If this game ends up being good, this could vindicate Nintendo's headstrong mentality about this new formula, and completely stamp out any possibility of there ever being a return to form. Hopefully I'm wrong about that vindication part.
Sucks we live in an age where you cannot freely express discontent with anything anymore without getting attacked. Arlo had to use up a majority of the time of this video hoping people don’t attack him for having his own opinion.
It's the other way around as well though. People are feeling ashamed that they think they game looks fun. Myself included. It's pretty rough when you keep an open mind to something like this and everyone else is like "nah, its not TTYD it wont be good and youre stupid for thinking it will be good. Remember color splash ans sticker star? looool" (abridged version of a comment I once received)
@@BlaizeTheDragon yeah, its bad how it is
@@BlaizeTheDragon color splash was fun imo
That’s always been the case
Sharing differing opinions and debating is fun when it's respectful, but then you get those ass hats who think their opinion is fact and when that happens I just laugh at them. I don't know why I think it's funny but I do, just channeling my inner Lord Nuxanor I guess