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Rails v Hornby Terriers: The Definitive Side by Side Comparison
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- Let's put these Rails v Hornby arguments to rest as Jenny takes a close look at all the differences between the two models.
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I approve of side by side comparisons. This is a very useful thing for models where different manufacturers make make the same type.
Hi Jenny
I am glad you said that there is room for both Terriers. The price difference is not small and so I would expect the better model from Rails/Dapol.
However I do feel you have concentrated on the pros of the Rails and deficits of the Hornby versions.
The Sam’s Trains comparative review showed both good and bad points in both models but the Rails model’s badly distorted running plate is unforgivable and was rightly brought to our attention. forgive me but from this video even yours does not appear true and I feel you should check with a straight edge. I also feel that the brake rods are more correctly depicted on the Hornby model as are the wheel spokes.
The one thing neither of you have mentioned is the ridiculously small hole in the funnel cap which is most certainly not correct.
I got so fed up with people quoting Sam’s review to me as if because if he had a bent one they were all bent that I put a steel ruler along the Rails Brighton. It is 100% straight.
The rails one is let down by the big gap in the cab roof, Also the Rails one has an orange peel look to the plastic.
i mean, with the hornby one at least you can fix said detail issues somewhat as they are on parts whereby your not ruining the fine lining, try doing that on the rails one and you are more at risk of damaging the lining, which makes the "detail difference" (which lets face it is code for issues) super minor, whereas the rails one you'd need to be one of the best modellers going to fix its issues (well the main issue thats the cab anyway) so they look un-noticeable, the hornby ones just needs a touch of filler, paint from B&Q and some transfers, unlike multiple shades of paint on top of very fine transfers which would be piddly to get on, coal load and prefferably a none-dapol mechanism as i'm sorry but i trust those about as much as i can throw a badger to scotland.
i understand the whole thing about pedestals and all that but looking at the practicality of them, the hornby one is better, and that's without my bias to the whole "Pedigree" bullshit rails did, but also, i personally like models that aren't perfect and may need extra things adding, it gives me a small challenge to work out the best way of how to sort it, i'm honestly not ready for the in depth work i'd need to do on the rails one to have it up to scratch, its not worth my time, especially as its not stepney in IEG A1X form, and thats the thing, the hornby one is better for those wanting to do a quick name and number change or a conversion from A1 to A1X, whereas the rails one just seems to be "add coal and leave our PEDIGREE model alone" and that for me and a lot of other modellers takes the fun out of it, perfection does not equate to either model in this instance, but hornby (at least to me) is the better option.
I watched the video. I have hornby "Merton" and the "Brighton" . From rails I have the GWR one. I like both at the price point they come at. I would not expects quite as much from the Hornby ones. My rails one ran very well straight out of the box. I did check it very carefully after watching Sam's video. Is that guy unlucky or what? With the trend to add additional detail packs into locos I really think Rails/Dapol missed a trick by not putting an optional coal fill blanking plate. Yes I can make one myself but...................And yes I will get over it. Lol
Jenny, have you seen Sam's review of the "Boxhill" Terrier. It was very badly put together as it had so many problems. How and why would a metal running plate bow as much as that. I believe that is why there are so many other problems with parts just not fitting together. I love the colours of the different liveries, but the LNER never had any to my knowledge. Martin. Thailand.
The hornby model has correct frames with holes however. The dapol one has no frame holes Its also stupid that the rails model has no coal load. You can say whatever you want but a steam locomotive being sold without coal load is just cheap.
i will stick with the hornby terrier as i have better back up if any thing goes wrong.also i have seen ill fitting parts on the rails of sheffield ones.better the devil you know
Great comparison Jenny, as always. Mine arrived on Friday, and I completely agree the detailing on the Rails/dapol one is vastly superior. After seeing your review I was really pleased Id chosen the Rails example. Then I put it on the track and sadly mine had serious running issues so had to go back for replacement, hopefully the second one will be better. Thank you for doing these videos
sams trains must have different lococ's on his show
Perhaps his postie is playing footy with all his parcels? He does seem to get a lot of problems.
Hi Jenny, nice comparative review of the two Terriers. I agree both models have plus and minus points. I received my Rails W C & P Terrier on the weekend, though not having a Hornby model, I am impressed with the finish and details of the Rails model. It came dcc fitted and straight out of the box it ran smoothly. It took a rake of 3 coaches up my branch line incline with no slippage. So the Rails model gets 👍👍up from me.
Good video Jenny. I agree with your conclusion but you did fail to mention the lining on the Westinghouse pump and correctly cleared out chassis space on the Hornby model. :)
I think on the basis of pros and cons on QC and price it's definitely the Hornby version for me.
Excellent review Ms. Kirk, I appreciate you taking the time to compare the terriers in a fair way.
Anybody tried to fill the holes in the cab of the Hornby A1? What did you use? thanks!
Oh so those wholes in the cab are supposed to be there. I had a mini heart attack I did
Well said! Thanks Jenny
I had the Dapol Terrier, it genuinely went pop on day one… never again.
Very good comparison of two great models and a much more slick feel to the video when it gets straight to the point.
A definitive review might mention the obvious orange peel paintwork on the Rails model (it’s a fault caused by bad spray painting technique), the few spots of white paint on the running board, and the fact that the edge of the running board of the Rails model is quite rough. My W9 Fishbourne also exhibits these issues. The horizontal run of rivets on the rear of the cab of the Hornby is typical of the two Terriers on the Isle of Wight, BTW. Both makers’ models have flaws or differences from the prototypes, some of which are more obvious in the different liveries.
Wow! Really love your layout, want to start making mine when i get the money haha
Nice comparison ,I think you should tell the price comparison also
Thanks Jenny, a very well done and fair comparison. Is it just my eyes, or is there a slight difference in colour between the models, too?
Thanks, really useful comparison free of bias. Really fancy the one off loco that made it into GWR ownership, a great excuse to incorporate it into my fleet some day 😈
Have Rails/Dapol sorted out the issue of the warped chassis?
Should the holes in the frames on the Hornby Terrier be there. Which is correct?
Hornby is correct
Great review as usual Jen they are both good models,the choise is up to us which one we get.👍
PS sorry I missed it live was dragged out by my wife.😥
Great video Jenny. For all the detail reasons you pointed out I completely agree the rails version takes it for sure. In my opinion especially for the turned metal cap there is no real substitute for the look and feel of real metal detail.
Interesting review! Is it my imagination or are the water tanks slightly different sizes on those models?
Hornby vs. Rails comments remind me of The Beatles vs. The Dave Cark Five (or The Dave Clark Five vs. The Beatles). For the record I bought a Rolvenden terrier early last year tho I haven't had any time to run it after the initial run in.
Thanks for the fun video.
great video Jenny you convinced me that I want the rails version
I personally think it all comes down to personal taste and for me anyway it came down to the fact I run an SR layout and Hornby have a Terrier in Malachite Green so. They won for me.
Once again a great review Jen...no bias and you pointed out the short comings of both loco's fairly...this is what great reviews are about...you'll never get back handers from Hornby though at this rate !
I think the big difference sits in the price tag, do you want extra quality, you pay extra.
If there where only high quality models, people start to complain about prices, it will always be something.
But what actually really annoys me, is that we see the same models produced over and over again.
How many make overs of this model must we still undergo, I
Great video, i just have one question, when I watched the video on this from sam's trains, he mentioned how the running board was warped or something and it showed that the locomotive had a hard time on a part of his layout whereas other locomotives of his were perfectly fine. Do you find any issues like this on your model?
No issues at all. Seven different Rails Terriers all ran for me with zero issues.
@@JenniferEKirk Could be Jen it's because you don't have cheap set-track 1st radius reverse curve bends on a scale 1 in 30 gradient...on the carpet..just sayin. lol.
Hi Jenny. Is it my imagination, or is the Hornby Terrier bigger than the Rails?
Must be a trick of perspective. I think they are exactly the same size.
@@JenniferEKirk Hi Jenny. Thanks. I'll put it down to my advanced years lol!!!
Thanks for the comparison video Jenny.
I decided early on to buy the Hornby model, the Rails version is spoilt by the turned brass chimney cap.
Looks terrible because it's slightly smaller diameter than the lower chimney stack, looks like its been squeezed into cap.
Also on inside it tapers to narrow bore where as Hornby has a same diameter bore which is correct.
Having sung the praises for Hornby l purchased an early version BR 32636 which was a mistake because it was of a batch where the sprung pickups were not springy enough to stay in proper contact with wheel rim, adjust them and they soon lost contact with wheel again.
Upshot was l sold it to a dealer who told me they had received others with same problem, l don't have a Terrier in my fleet now!
I´m sorry Jenny, but it is very sad to see a very biased comparison like this one from you. Almost all of the faults with the Hornby model are getting mentioned, whilst the various faults with the Rails model are getting ignored. And there are plenty of faults on both models. You are then going on trying to "rescue" the Hornby model by saying it is cheaper, but therefore a lower quality model. Something which is simply not true. Im very sorry I have to say this, but all in all your video feels more like an advert for the rails model than a fair comparison.
I would call myself a Terrier enthusiast and have therefore pursued the development of both models very carefully and was also in contact with multiple people regarding some issues on both models. I can´t mention everything you have left out from the video. But here are only four points the rails model falls short: Firstly please take a look in between the tanks. Whilst the Hornby model has a proper round boiler all the way to the fire box, the lower half of the boiler on the Rails model ends abruptly were the tanks begin with a flat wall. Secondly, to the roof. Besides the very prominent line you mentioned in the video, Rails also captured the shape of the roof very poorly, whilst the Hornby model is much closer to the real one. Not present on Brighton of course, but on various other version, the two different types of coal rails/bunker extensions. Whilst Hornby have tooled them both correctly, Rails did a very poorly job on them: The KESR coal rails are much to thin with to wide gaps in between the different rows, in 1:1 scale they would not even be able to properly hold coal in. The A1X bunker extension suffers from a similar problem, the details are much to thin and overall it is vastly underscale. The exact opposite problem is present with the brake rigging. Rails attempt is very crude. The rods a way to thick and lacking any detail. Hornby on the other hand have modeled them at the correct scale and even have the tinniest of proper holes in them at the proper position.
Both models have their drawbacks and everybody has to decide for themselves which models suits their personal needs better. But it is definitely not true, to say the Hornby model is a lower spec model. It actually captures the overall proportions much better and still manages to be cheaper (not even including the retailer discount you can get with the Hornby model but obviously not with the rails one).
Doesn't the rails one have a bent running board?
No
@@GameHammerCG Sam's trains's did
@@reliantrailways I once bought a CD that wouldn’t play. Does that mean all CDs are broken?
@@GameHammerCG no, but even some of the pictures on the rails of sheffield website have bent running boards
@@reliantrailways No, I don’t believe they do.
Very biased and unfair you seem to skirt around the deficitsys
Very biased and unfair you seem to have very quickly skirted around the glaring deficiencies of the Rails Model such as the lack of coal and the ugly gap on the roof. Selling your soul for relationships with suppliers?
Ill give you a review
Rails terriers - crappy and overpriced
Hornby terriers - brilliant in every way
@Sid Vicious yes I did and I stand by my comments.
@@lukegauci1159 I think you just proved why you are not a reliable indicator of a model's worth. I have no truck in this but the Rails version looks anything but crappy whereas the Hornby version reflects a lack of class. Not sure whether it is true or not but the Hornby version looks a bit oversized too.
@@ianmorris7485 I preordered the rails model 2 years ago, when it arrived I got a bad runner, and shoody paintwork. my hornby terrier runs perfectly and looks the part. I am tried of rails of sheffield over charging, cheating people out of refunds for damnged products and missing items. I was a loyal customer until this came about and I will never buy from rails again.
that.... is my opinion and I have a right to it
How much is Sam paying you to say this ?
@@stevelomas4119 nothing what so ever. i can come up with my own conclusions, dont need Sam, Jen or anyone else to make up my mine. I watch the reviews to understand the model.