Dubbing Anime Done Right - How Fans Fixed The Psycho-Pass Movie
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- When dubbing the Psycho-Pass movie, Funimation was faced with some monumental challenges. Here we take a look at how they did, and what some fans maybe did better.
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The dubbing companies need to do what assassination classroom did: whenever a character speaks English, just give them a cowboy accent
You do know that was Funimation , right?
Zero Spineslash Funimation isn't the only dubbing company, and I'm pretty sure they have seperate teams for seperate shows within the company to increase efficiency.
Same with Hogan's heroes.
I remember back in the Azumanga Daioh dub they just changed Yukari to a Spanish teacher. Worked fairly well. Though for some bizarre reason they still had Osaka talk to Sakaki about how Japanese words were spelled in hiragana, which was just...weird.
Skordil Wabramop ayo same
the engrish eradication version gave me chills..... it felt so real
slycat123123 it's the immersion we never thought we need
but not the immersion we deserve...
Where did you watch the version?
nyaa
The engrish eradication is the only version i've seen. Didn't even realize it was edited, i thought the japanese animators simply got english fluent voice actors
This is a perfect example of "A whole greater than the sum of it's parts".
I can't believe you haven't gotten more likes from the quote!
@@MistaShadowman It isn't a quote, it's a misquote following a mis-translation. And that misquotation is perpetuated day in, day out, to the perpetual hell of the original author who stated: the whole is *other* than the sum of the parts. Quote is from Kurt Koffka.
Well I admire that even as someone who hasn't seen any psychopass
8bitmagic watch the first season and the movie. The first season is brilliant.
ya, psychopass S1 is a must watch. Hope they make a S3 someday.
Same 8bit. This was pretty impressive, especially knowing the tendency of fan dubs.
Well, don't really realize why you would need to have seen it, but since you mentioned it, you should see it, it's a great anime even for people like me, who don't appreciate animes all that much
I've seen dubs before where even though we hear english, they canonically are speaking Japanese. So, when they bring up learning English or speak to English people, they say how their English isn't very good even though we hear it all as perfect English. It makes for interesting conversations...
Fun Fact: In the Japanese version Persona 3 Mitsuru knows English and sometimes says thing in English. They changed the language to French in English version.
In R.O.D the TV, the Japanese version has the characters in school studying English in class. The English version instead has them learning French instead, so it avoids this issue. They also got people with real British accents to voice the British characters (Helena Taylor (Bayonetta) plays Yomiko and it's amazing). Honestly one of the best dubs ever IMO
Then you'd be really interested in a play called "Translations"
Most of the characters are Irish, with two being English characters. The playwrite intentionally wanted those actors to be saying English for almost all their lines. The intention was for the audience to understand, but the characters do not
Igma the P3 localization is really good. Not sure why P5's was shit in comparison
The-One-And-Only what, P3 and p4 were set in Japan too and their localizations were fine.
The Blood movie. the ONLY voice acting used american VA's for the american characters and japanese VA's for the japanese characters. There's no dubbed versions and subbed versions. Just the official version.
Sounds interesting. Is it just a movie, or is it a show?
Are you talking about Blood: The Last Vampire? Because they made a show (Blood+) that went the more traditional route of having a sub and a dub.
YES, Blood the last vampire. I was having a brain fart. Blood + was REALLY good, and better than Blood C (despite it being Clamp), but the only Blood movie is Blood The Last Vampire (unless you want to talk about the live action stuff, which I'm not), and that one did do a single version that mixed dub and sub.
Blood+ and the movie for it. One of my favorite vampire themed anime along with Hellsing OVA.
I still remember the English speaking teachers in the movie to this day.
What about blood c the last dark
Actually.. You MAY have a point there. I forgot the ending took place in the US. I can't remember what VA's they used.
It was a nice callback to the aforementioned movie.
Multi lingual anime voice acting (and voice acting in video games too) has always been a dream of mine. If I can find where the engrish eradication edition is, I could finally hear that dream come true.
Thanks for bring this to my attention, dude!
Imagine if it was in French.
You can't spell hon hon hon without no no no.
I would love to see them try to do what Digibro fails on every time he tries to use a French loan-phrase.
Engrish eradication eh?
Skullface my dude, where ya at?! Got a job for ya!
NiOH has like 3 different languages in it
You can find it, the torrent is seeded and it downloads in 15 minutes
Star Moko in Tekken they do. Almost everyone speaks a different language in the game
That solution was literally the first thing I thought of when this video started. Why wasn't i introduced to this sooner?
Joseph Weirauch exactly what I was thinking
just a guess, but i imagine its too difficult and expensive for the japanese studio to hire english voice actors, while the funimation version may not have had permission to use the original voice lines?
+Communist_Penguin While it may make sense for the Japanese studio to not necessarily have access to a cachet of English actors to handle dubbing, it makes no sense that Funimation wouldn't have had access to the original Japanese lines as they handled the sub as well.
Black lagoon's English dub is actually kinda awesome. most of the characters are American and canonically speak English, so it's nice to have native English coming out of them. Also with the level of swearing in that show, the English localization includes more authentic swearing.
The Japanese audio takes a more traditional approach, where all characters speak Japanese(even though the audience is meant to understand that the in-universe conversation is happening in English), except when English vs Japanese interaction is canonical, then broken english is used.
Jacob Mccann Kinda the same deal with Baccano!, it's definitely the best way to watch the show with all the new york accents
I love Black Lagoon's dub more then the sub. The characters have MUCH more personality and dubs in general add a lot of it through accents. And in the second season where they went to Japan, they actually use this same overlay technique AND have the dub VO actor speak in japanese during the translation scenes between Balalaika and the Yakuza.
Though for the accents it could simply be that in the original version the voice actors use different Japanese dialects to convey the same personality differences but for us in the west, it all sounds the same.
Black Lagoon is one of the animes I highly recommend watching the dub over the sub. I am usually for watching subs but I feel like some dubs are actually better than the original voice acting. The majority of the time this isn't the case though. A few other instances I can think of where I thought the dub was better are: Hellsing. Hellsing Ultimate, Black Butler, Full Metal Alchemist/ FMA Brotherhood, Fruits Basket, Ghost Stories, Code Geass and DBZ.
Ghost Stories barely counts though. Yes, the dub is great, but you really aren't getting a localization in any meaningful sense. It's more like watching an abridged series dub.
Jacob Mccann True. It is technically a dub though but it is not a dub of the original material. I still think it is a noteworthy instance of a dub being better than the original content.
tldw; they mixed and match English and Japanese dub to achieve the best combination of native-English lines, non-native English lines and native Japanese lines.
Before: Oh come on, their english can't be that bad, at least they're trying!
After: ... oh... god.
Funimation, Sentai Fimworks, etc. should just do this officially with every blu-ray release. Think about it, they already have the rights to sell the English, as well as the Japanese versions. If these licensing companies did this with their official blu-ray releases, it could offer an attractive incentive to buy the blu-ray. Granted, this would only happen with the select few anime where multilingual lines are spoken, but I personally would love to see this happen. Better yet, I'd love to see a collaboration between the actual anime studio and the English licenser where if they needed characters to speak fluent English they could get in touch with the American VAs to voice those lines.
Rex Lee I think it would be more likely you seeing a company opening up to intentionally cater towards these kind of things being more realistic
This is a very common problem in Asian cinema. They hire actors who are supposed to be Americans, but speak the English lines in a Australian or British accent.....
armynurseboy probably because the East teaches traditional English and would be more immersed listening to voice actors who are fluent with it. Just a theory
No, I think the issue is that that there is a lack of bilingual actors so they get whomever they get. For example, in the movie adaptation of the anime Beck, two of the main characters are supposed to be Japanese Americans who are colloquially fluent in English. The actors they got to portray them WERE fluent in real life....but one was from Europe and one from Australia, and their accents reflected that. The average Japanese person would not have caught that, although they likely would have maybe thought they sounded different from English they may have heard before.
BTW, it depends on where in Asia you're talking to what accent an Asian listener is used to hearing. In many places, American English is the more common accent they hear. And with the widespread distribution of American pop culture, more and more folks are exposed to the American accent. And in Korea and the Philippines, they actually prefer to teach and learn the American accent.
Same in Hollywood. They hire Asian actors who can't speak Japanese as leading Japanese characters. Memoirs of a Geisha and Man in the High Castle are terrible examples.
9:05 “Well as terrifying as you make that sound” being said right after an Engrish threat sounded SO sarcastic to me XD
In the Love Live movie the group goes on a trip to America. All the American characters spoke perfect English and the one Japanese character who spoke English spoke in Engrish.
So Anime has done this.
What if the two studios colaborated so that u know
too much time money and human recourses, unless u bruce wayne and really like anime.
I don't understand why this wasn't done to begin with. We did this with american movies that had native americans like with dancing with wolves. The natives spoke their language just with subtitles, and the americans just simply spoke english like normal. At the very least the fans did what should have been viewed as a obvious solution when it comes to the context of what is happening in this film.
*Black Lagoon Flashbacks Intensify*
Ruan Jordaan Same😂
Ruan Jordaan Tbh Black Lagoon is still one of the best English dubs out there, even 10 years later.
and Helsing Ultimate
Black Lagoon's Dub sucks major balls. (although it's still better than the google-translate subtitles from the original DVD release)
JakeSnake07 What drugs are you smoking???
I'm triggered right now
How tf can anyone hear Revys. English fun and not think it's the GOAT
its even a bit sad when you realize that the people who developed the official Engrish and Illogical english version of the movie probably needed a couple years of experience and a college degree under their belt whereas the people who actually did it right were some random joes on the internet
Forest Trump when Japanese try to English, expect either funny results or be surprised
You don't exactly need a degree to hear broken Engrish, and swap out audio tracks.
it's not a skill thing its a bureaucracy thing. The original studio needed voice actors and it would have been too much financial and logistical trouble to outsource it to professional English voice actors. Funimation couldn't leave in the original JP audio because their entire job is to dub, they can't just do half of a project even if the viewer experience would be better.
Lol i got rilly confused at first because when i watched it i didn't rilly hear the broken English. I think might of been because i stumbled on the latter version.
I just don't get why they have to get engrish in the first place. They have a partner who is going to hire native english speakers anyway. Why not use them? Save money and get better results.
jaliborc
They don't have a partner they just sold the broadcasting rights for another region.
Also to remember that with the exception of a rare handful of productions (mainly movies) all are made for the local Japanese audience. Exporting to the west is at best a minor consideration. We in the west see and hear about only a small fraction of all the animations, comics an novels that are made there.
I've heard the argument that engrish is easier for Japanese people to understand.
jaliborc They should just hire a foreign English teacher.
Yeah im in a korean webtoon that they have some English lines in. Thry didnt hire actual fluent English speakers and as an English speaker it drove me crazy omigod
WHY DON'T THEY JUST DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. If characters a meant to speak a certain language, they should keep that language. Especially when there's more than one being spoken. If a Japanese film has English speaking characters they should actually hire legit native speakers to voice them, and then just put subs for them in Japanese for their local viewers. Same as us except put english subs for the Japanese speaking characters. It's so damn simple why was it not thought of in the first place?
@Mik Moen
Exactly! K-ON, Love Live, Free, Squid Girl, Girls Und Panzer, Black Heaven and Assassination Classroom are some anime that managed to do it so I don’t get why so many others suck at it.
This is my favourite thing done by you yet. Keep it up please!
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Syy That scene of you speaking broken Japanese made me die of laughter.
do you know where i could watch the fan version?
nyaa.si/view/822339
I would love a recut like this for the Japan arc of Black Lagoon.
Syy nice vid, fans’ version are always better imho
This is a really interesting topic. Great video
So basically just do a Tekken. Where everyone from their country speak their language.
The thing about Tekken though, is that they all understand each other when they speak to eachother in different languages... unless if we assume that all Tekken fighters are multilingual.
*"Where everyone from their country speak their language."*
I can assure you sir, Jaguar isn't a very common language in Mexico.
WakkaSeta this is my favorite comment I've seen on youtube easy in the last 5 years
The Enguish annihilation addition sounds interesting but I think I would have still gone with the "Translated Conversation" way if I was in charge of the Dub.
I always thought of akane looking at her watch as just her confirming her landing
what they could have done was have an actually Japanese person speak in those scenes for a couple of seconds and then have the character put the translator thus transitioning to the american voice actors for the rest of the time. This way they are establishing that the people are from a foreign nation however the technology is actively translating so that our main characters and the audience can understand it their native dialect.
Joshua Valente Red October type shit eh
I think that would call attention though to the fact that the dub is breaking the story, thus breaking that suspension of disbelief needed to keep being involved with it. Suspension of disbelief needs for you to forget that there is something absurd going on. Doing that would call attention to itself thus defeating the purpose.
The issue is that depending on the scene it may not make any sense. Take that scene with the car for instance. If the japanese guy can use his device to translate his voice real time to English, why would he have the English speaker speak first after talking to him in Japanese. If he was able to translate his own voice, he would have spoken first to communicate rather than the other way around. I can see this being a bigger issue in other scenes and other movies, so it’s actually easier to use the Japanese voice acting along side the English voicing because it keeps the original context of the scene and therefore would match up better.
rinoa liore Everyone is making this out to be a much bigger deal than it actually is. This happens in films all the time - not translated ones, just a big standard war film set in Germany.
Joshua Valente then what about the entire first season of the show which was entirely dubbed in English with no translation?
PLEASE TAKE THIS VIDEO DOWN, I'M GOING TO GET SUED D:
When was the last time they sued people for posting stuff on nyaa
nobody should under any circumstance spread the word that this is motbot's release, available here nyaa.si/view/822339 as it would most definitely lead to repercussions for motbob, which none of us would want, I repeat, do not tell anyone they can download this release at nyaa.si/view/822339
To be fair, I found the link via google, and only then looked in the comments.
is there anywhere i can find it direct dl not torrent??
at Ebay
Heyyy, happy someone showed a spotlight on this wonderful fansubs project!! You've earned a subscriber ;)
After watching this video and then scrolling through your channel, I wish you made more of THESE videos.
just wanna say thanks. originally i watched this on upload and had been meaning to catch up with the show at that point for awhile, i just now managed to catch up to the movie(in2020/6th) after re-watching season 1 and 3 years later i never forgot this upload. i just wanted to make this comment because at the time you were going through financial troubles and id followed you regularly for a year or two at that point and always wish i could have helped you properly but i wasnt able to at that age and now i finally am so im going to as a thank you even if your life drifts away from youtube i appreciate your TTYDK series and still want one on mankind divided but none the less i wish you well in whatever sees you through
As a translator with a degree in english I vouch that THIS is THE way to properly adapt. As one of my teachers said "Translations always must follow rules. ALWAYS. Except the times when rules hamper the adaptation."
Dude thanks for this! Never knew about this edition
is there any other cool fan edits like this? This is so cool!
subscribed! thanks man
K-ON, Love Live, Assassination Classroom, Free, Squid Girl, Black Heaven, Girls Und Panzer and Beck are probably the only anime I can think of that managed to do it by default.
I realy like that Rais your crime coefficient joke at the end implying that you may go crazy trying to find it ......it was well thought out and very funny , not may youtubers have talent in that aspect which is 1 of the reasons I like your chanell !
I dont know how, but you made the last patreon mention sound better than it actually would sound (Its means relaxser in finnish, btw).
Also, cool vid
This was a very interesting video! I've always been fascinated by the whole translation/localization side of anime/manga/games, and I have thought about this same situation before. The Eradication Edition does seem like the perfect solution, since it makes it feel more realistic.
my crime coefficient is high already but really many arigatos for making a video about this.
Speaking of dubs, I'm still a bit disappointed in what they've done to Little Witch Academia. Considering it's an international school located in Britain, students of Luna Nova would definitely be speaking English, but with their respective country's accent.
I mean, at least give Diana received pronunciation to up her snooty factor.
Bonus points for Brooklyn accent for Amanda.
Agreed.
I love the dubs that have a diverse cast of people, Hellsing Ultimate had a lovely blend of UK and American voice talent and I loved every bit of it, but the ones (which are most of the dubs) where no matter what setting you are put in everyone sounds american, or are americans putting on bad accents, it's a big turn off for me.
As someone who watched it subbed: It's no better (in terms of immersion) when everyone speaks perfect japanese either.
To be perfectly fair, they never specify that they are in Britain for some odd reason.
super999999 To me it was lovely either way
THIS
foudn this vid by accident but damn am I glad I did! thanks for featuring it. now I'm off to be a pirate haha
I appreciate your taste in background music :)
I feel like Kogami should have the perfect english dub since he has been living outside japan for a while now
thank you bro this is so cool also I didn't even know about the movie and its broken translation never seen the movie yet but I know now which one to watch awesome
DEUS EX
dat deus ex music
came looking for this comment, love the unatco music.
holy shit i was right...froze for a full minute trying to remember where i recognized it from
reinstalling
Rayzorbladez fun game
The Engrish Eradication Edition was exactly what I was thinking what should have been done after watching 75% of the video.
This pretty much applies to any situation where the characters have to speak English. There's a girl in Senran Kagura who occasionally speaks English but the subs were already in English. Xseed decided to make it read like she's an English speaker who occasionally speaks French. I don't really like that approach as it's dishonest about what's really being said. I know it's weird but when it comes to something being dubbed so that people can avoid subtitles altogether I'd prefer something where a guy pulls out a translator even though they're all speaking the same language. I'll admit Funimation made the right call. Since the composite is great but still requires subs, it makes sense to just accept some awkwardness for everything to translate well.
Haha yeah I noticed that too! I was like "wait...the subs are in French...but she's speaking English...". It works when you piece it together to try to understand what and why they did it that way.
They should have inverted her, a character that's an english speaker that occasionally speaks Japanese, a weabo! XD
Interesting topic and great example of how editing and rewrites after the fact, can improve the anime experience. From watching behind the scenes for shows like Archer, and DCAU projects, It's apparent that a lot of voice actors either work from home or via teleconference with the voice directors. The anime studios should (if budget allows), hire foreign actors if the goal is to provide non Japanese characters i.e. Western, Asian, European, African, S.American authentic and nuanced dialects and language is critical plot device.
I Love how you said to look for the movie in the way that we "raise our crime coefficient" XDD lmao genius way to go about it
Opening with UNATCO got me like !?
OMG I KNOW YOU
KeVex wtf you talking about homie
Now this was just a top of the top video.
Mad props
Glad you liked it!
Thats such a cool idea! :D
awesome review, well written, well spoken, and the reference at the end was so good. I just might look this movie up. I really enjoyed the anime, and I think the hybrid version you mention does sound like the best of both worlds. Why they didnt do it that way in the first place is either actor availability issues or due to some union contract that said they had to use all Japanese actors (voice actors I mean)
Daym. I didnt even know this existed. I didnt even notice the problem to begin with as i only watched the dub for the movie. Will try and find it, probably burn a copy to place with my blu-ray copy of the movie. Physical copies yo!
how did you extend something that can be said in ten seconds to a whole ass eleven minutes...
I love the smooth reference to the story there at the end. Consider me subscrizzled.
Why have I not heard of this??! I need to watch it now!
Thats awesome thanks for the information about the fan made dub mix tnx tnx
This is amazing! :D
Holy shit. That was beautiful. Great job for the these fan subbers.
Is there any website that has this version of the movie able to stream online? My dad wants to watch this movie and I want to show it to him, but he won't be okay downloading it.
Long ass video for a short topic, it truly is amazing how well the van one is.
anyone know where I can watch this eradication edition of the movie? I do really enjoy this anime! loved the series
Are you the voice actor of Kirito in SAO abridged?
No
Bandit Leader, isn't it hard to sit on your chair and comment on youtube with that stick up your ass?
TPF00T
I think you’re the one with a stick up your ass
Well thanks for your input, this nigga made a pretty decent joke so I felt the need to call Bandit Leader out on writing a retarded comment. xoxox keep up the good comebacks
TPF00T Why thank you good sir :)
I remember Phoenix Wright having a similar issue for the game translation. The original games were set in Japan and a vast chunk of character names and puns had to be changed so that the English version made sense and was funny. They even changed the game's setting from Japan to America. However fans have often pointed out how ludicrous this is when very Japanese specific things kept popping up on the series that were harder to change. It's easy enough changing dialogue since it's just text the player reads but when it comes to background art of locations you visit or the sprites of the characters this is harder to do. So you'll get things like characters initially replacing going to get Japanese food with stuff like burgers since it was text only but then the characters have to talk about cherry blossoms because they're in the art background or how some characters dress in traditional old Japanese clothing. Sure they sometimes get away with it by saying there is s festival on or something to cover people dressing weird but there are still some jarring translation issues the series has had over the years. Even similar events happen when certain characters are supposed to be "forreign" like American, but since the game in the English version is in the US they had to change which country the forreigner is from like German or just don't mention it.
btw if anyone is looking for the English Eradication Edition, the release group is [MTBB]
you can find it yourself.
I just saw psycho pass and click the video tbh XD
Univa Forte Same.
Any links anyone?
Thank you for making this video, I imagined some like that years ago but then I said naah, it must be difficult to do on just some cartoon show :b
The only problem i have is switching between reading subtitles and not reading subtitles quickly because it just making me feel some sort of anxiety with the quick switching.
3:35 Great, now I have Simon say "Leave the gun take the cannoli" in my head
Thank you for letting me know this version of the film exists.
Gate did a really good job in showing the language barrier.
Those dubbed scenes look fine. And, as for the second one in particular, you know how many times people check their smartphones today? Yeah, if anything, that quick glance at the AR screen adds to the immersion. Only when compared against a known difference did it stand out.
That said, I think the fan edit is a great artistic achievement, and deserves recognition for improving the Japanese version.
lol, that dub you did with the broken japanese was hilarious! !!
"I give give give"
"Give me what?"
Loved that scene from black lagoon.
Thanks. You motivated me to actually finish PP2, at the cost of my Crime Coefficient ...
So, what are my options to watch psycho pass? (at least the show). Crunchyroll doesn't have it in my region, nor netflix, and vpns currently don't work to bypass them
I suppose they could've added a line about Akane using a voice identification device herself.
*God damn: the Internet is full of GANGSTERS*
I clicked this video expecting to watch 30 seconds, and ended up watching the whole thing. Great job!
I was watching ur video and I forgot about the stove I left on and accidentally started a grease fire, causing panic in my home. Love ur vids tho
😂 this is actually a show i've seen so that line about the crime coefficient damn near had me dying since i know how that gets handled 😂
We should really figure out a way for fans to recut things they legally own and allow other people who legally own the material to legally watch the fan cut.
how would you check if someone really owns the material?
No way to make that work without monitoring your digital property.
Have you seen Gargantia's dub? They do a good job translating the language perspective as one person tries to learn a language that isn't his own.
and where can I find this....Been looking for hours.
Is there a link someone can give me to the fan version. I watched this video a while ago before I watched psycho pass, and 5 seconds into the movie I realized it was the movie with the bad Engrish in the subbed version, but I don’t want to rewatch this video and get anything spoiled
Where can I watch this version? I can't find it anywhere.
6:46 lol never watched a video of yours, but the comedy is on point
I love the Deus Ex music, very nice touch. Been wanting to watch the series through again. Anyone know where I can look for this edition? I've done some googling and come up with nothing so far.
Anyone know where i can see the fan-edit version? i'm kinda interested now.
Liked the way you used Deus Ex music for it. Suits the cyber punk theme so well!
6:47
that was HILARIOUS
where do you find this version of the movie?
great, so where can I find the Eradicated edition?
Hahahahahaha! "Welcome to the specially administrated zone" cracked me up!
This makes me want to watch this movie now. Especially the fan edit.
yeah now i need a link to download LOL