Was HELA Trapped in SOUL WORLD? - (And Did She Survive?) THOR Love & Thunder MARVEL Theory Explained
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- Hela is the greatest villain that Thor ever faced. She defeated him I battle, destroyed his hammer, conquered Asgard, murdered the Warriors 3, and forced Thor to fundamentally change. That's more than Loki could ever accomplish, and Hela did it in about a day. But none of this explains where the heck Hela was imprisoned for all those eons.
We have a theory that Odin trapped her in soul world--making a bargain with the vampiric soul stone to provide Heimdall with the soul stone's powers. This also ties into the theory that Odin originally sought out the infinity stones and designed the infinity gauntlet.
It's not that big of a stretch. Hela is the goddess of death, and Soul World is a realm of the dead--similar to the spirit world that the Wakandans visit after drinking the heart-shaped herb. This also explains how Odin can continue to speak with Thor after his death, the Odinsleep, and why he turned his heart toward peace.
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Written by Greggory Basore
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Sean Martin
A long running theory for many MCU fans is that Odin once sought after the Infinity Stones. He almost gathered them all, only to change his mind once he realized the destructive power of his conquest. To support this theory, we have his possession of the tesseract, which may have been used to invent the Bifrost. There’s also the infinity gauntlet he keeps in his basement, and his knowledge of the reality stone.
And Odin used to be a conqueror, subjecting the nine realms with brute force, with Hela by his side. So it would make sense that he would have pursued the infinity stones. But something made him drop this quest, and turn his heart toward peace. Many people think that Odin’s quest stopped the moment he reached Vormir and learned the price of the soul stone. In Odin’s case, he may have been asked to sacrifice Hela or his wife Frigga.
This idea is the key to our theory about where Hela was locked up, and why it took so long for her to escape. And our theory also explains why she could only escape when Odin became one with the force.
We also think that Odin secretly benefited from her imprisonment-and not just because he was removing a dangerous megalomaniac from the right hand of his throne.
Here’s our theory: What if it was actually Odin who created the Soul Stone’s price of “A Soul for a Soul”? Odin might have built Well of Souls on Vormir-as a way to communicate with the Soul Stone. Oh, hey soul stone, what’s up? Hey Odin, I’m hungry, got any of them sweet, sweet souls?
I mean, someone had already visited the well of souls. Someone had to have drawn the map that led Gamora and Thanos to Vormir, right?
Infinity War establishes that the infinty stones have a kind of intelligence. Maybe the soul Stone was a malevolent intelligence, demanding Odin sacrifice more and more souls for him to feed on. This is how the original Soul Gem operated in the comics, when Adam Warlock was its host in the ‘70s.
When the stone demanded Odin’s soul, he would have made a counter offer. He tells the stone, “what if you only take one soul as a sacrifice?”
And the soul stone responded with, “I need that one soul to be someone who’s loved-someone who was worthy of my hunger.”
And at this point, Odin realizes that Hela would totally sacrifice him to get all the infinity stones. So, it’s him or her. But Odin, the old softie, doesn’'t want to kill his daughter-so he makes a bargain with the Soul Stone.
Odin and the soul stone form a symbiotic bond. He tells the soul stone that it can have Hela-imprisoning her inside Soul World. That’s the orange pocket universe inside the soul stone, that we saw in Infinity War.
The stone agrees to imprison Hela inside it, but with limitations. Odin has to use all of his strength to keep Hela imprisoned so the stone can feast on her-and the focused energy also prolongs his life.
In exchange, the stone allows Odin to use a portion of its power. And maybe, the Odin sleep was a way for him to recharge this energy, to keep her trapped inside soul world. After Odin’s death, this power would return to the stone.
And the stone wants to keep Odin alive. Because, if he were to die, then Hela would be freed, and the stone would lose its grip on Hela’s tasty, tasty soul. While Heimdall continuously shows that he has the powers of the soul stone.
#Hela #SoulWorld #MarvelTheory
0:00 Where Was Hela Trapped?
0:30 Odin's Infinity Gauntlet Quest
2:08 Odin Imprisons Hela
3:40 Odin Sacrifices Hela
4:28 Heimdall Has Soul Stone's Power
6:18 Myth of Ymir's Well
7:52 Odin is in Soul World
9:00 Is Hela Alive?
10:28 Hela is the new Mistress Death
11:36 Soul World Exists in Avengers: Endgame - Krátké a kreslené filmy
What do you think of the theory?
the infinity stones weren’t destroyed they were just shrunken meaning that it’s possible for them to come back
Ummmm isn’t this just like a copy of the video you made yesterday pretty shit
This shit is mind blowing great job
Hopefully Kevin Feige watches your videos. More Cate Blanchett is a win. Although haveing her face be a skull...mh...no thanks.
Nope, Odin was stuck with a choice, destroying asgard was the only way to kill hela, Odin was already in peace mode so he wasn't willing to do that, so he used the Odin force to imprison her. She was free from imprisonment because the Odin force was no longer in effect after his death, because now it's the Thor force. It's not fancy but it's based on Canon and fits occam's razor
Great theory. This might also explain why Heimdall couldn't see the Dark Elves since their power is based off of the residual power of the Reality stone. Hela could very well be alive and have Odin's spear Gungnir, which is pure Uru, in her possession.
Hela is definitely one of the top five villains in the MCU so far. She was so good!
I thought she was made too powerful and that made her kind of boring. "Her power comes from Asgard, she'll get stronger the longer she's there." How? Why? What does that mean? Apparently it means she can kill anyone effortlessly by throwing magical blades, but that's just kind of boring to watch. She looked cool, Cate Blanchett vamped it up quite well, but Hela effortlessly destroying the armies of Asgard is just kind of like.. ok? I guess. My least favorite thing about the movie. Like she was just a plot device to wipe out secondary characters and ultimately lead to the destruction of Asgard.
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@@mediumvillain no they tried to potray her as a god and it worked perfectly. It's exactly how a supervillain should be portrayed especially in a thor movie villain shouldn't be weak humans they should be powerful like hela or more powerful. She was overpowered compared to the other characters but it's all about can you handle that character. Marvel really nailed that job.
She is in the list only when she is in Asgard
My head cannon. It wasn't hela's ambitions that outgrew Odin's. It was because Odin and Frigga was pregnant with Thor. A male heir. The old nordic world was a patriarchy but if a man had no sons he could raise his daughter like a son. Giving her the same rights as any man but as soon as that woman got married or had a son, she would loss all standing and her rights would go to the husband or son. Or if the father had a male heir.
Odin didn't just Exile his own daughter. He had her intirely erased from history. I think it was because Hela feared she'd lose her place as the rightful heir to Asgard, so she turned on her own father and tried to take the throne from him! By force. Which greatly angered the old god so he not only banished her and erased all trace of her he even banned anyone from ever mentioning her. I quess that makes sense as to why Thor and Loki never heard of her :)
I think Odin did more than ban mention of her. She mentions to the gathered crowd of Asgardians that no one seems to remember her. That crowd includes people as old or older than Odin, so they should at least recall her even if they'd been forbidden to speak of her.
Seems likely that The Runes of Kauf Kaul were used to wipe her memory from the realm eternal. Runes have a long, rich history in Nordic/Asgardian culture, so it makes sense that the spell came from Asgard before it was added to the tomes of Kamar Taj.
Hela was trapped 1600 years before Thor was born.
Such a far stretch lmao
@@DariusJones05 It's the family drama of space gods who use a RAINBOW BRIDGE to teleport to other realms, yeah there are goign to be stretches.
@@gregbasore2108 Nordic women were able to own property long before women were allowed to in other parts of the world.
Hela is the number one character I want to return the most, everytime she was on screen she was a badass.
Going into Infinity War, I was convinced that Heimdall was the vessel for the soul stone like how vision was for the mind stone. His power to see all living souls, his eye colour, his ability to contact 'souls' over a great distance (talking to Thor in Ragnarok). Man I was so confident, then he straight gets stabbed to death before the opening credits.
me too. I had a whole post about why he was the embodiment of the soul stone. Russo Bros screwed me on that one
Same here. This was the major factor that led to this theory.
I wish they would do a "Sins of the Fathers" series. Explore Odin's quest of the stones, Howard's exploration of the Tesseract, Hank's superhero days, T'Chaka as a young king ect. There are so many unanswered questions out there.
Whoa nice!!!!
Ohhhhhhh that’s good!!
I'll go ya one better: I wanna see a set of MCU movies in the '60s through '80s with X-Men, Fantastic Four, Squadron Supreme, Namor, Classic Wasp/Ant-Man, Classic Nick Fury and Sentry. In addition to fleshing out the mysterious backgrounds of guys like Odin and T'Chaka and Howard by having them be supporting characters or getting their own movies, you could also have a set of prequels that dodge the biggest problem of prequels. More oft than not, there's not mystery or tension, because we know who's gonna live and who isn't. With X-Men, FF, Namor etc. that wouldn't be the case. Instead, we'd be wondering "Why aren't these guys present in modern day and why is no one talking about them in the modern era?"
Hela is a reeally good villain who I'd like to see more of. Maybe Hela has the Necro Sword and she isn't dead yet and when she comes back Gorr kills her and obtains the necro sword.
More like Gorr gets the sword and kills her cause he cant kill her without it. But thats beside the point cause Sertur destroyed Asgard and her powers were attached to it. So the Necrosword could very well be just lying around and shes already dead. No explanation how she got it. But we will see how Gorr gets it. Hopefully.
odin did over power hela using the odin force you can say that he was so powerful because he also sacrfised his brothers but there are chances that thor can get the force of the king of asgard
@@wiserthanmasteryoda Odins lifeforce was holding Hela prisoner. He died she got out. Thor will inherit the Odin force later but he gave up the throne to Valkyrie and her powers will change because of it.
If Hela comes back as Lady Death (it makes sense), Deadpool will be excited.
Hela already filled the roll of ruler of the norse afterlife in the comics. I'd rather see that than blending two characters together.
Do you want to see Hela return?
Do you know who else wants to see Hela return?
*Absolutely*
My mom
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@@SnowLeopardVideos Good
Would love to see Hela get more screen time or her own movie, just imagine the fun Odin and his little girl had smashing worlds this would have been a good movie
The Odin Force and the Odin Sleep were never really explained in the movies, so it always confused me. This video is quite helpful.
I've often wondered if Thor's five years of sloth and sedentary depression were signs of him entering the "All Father Sleep" phase of his life. Like, maybe it's a function of being All Father and spending so much energy defending the realms, that every few years there needs to be a long sleep to recharge the batteries.
Theory extension: Odin "programed" the tesseract so that the next person to hold it would be forced to protect the soul stone which is why red skull can never leave vormir
Just flew in from Asgard
And boy, are my arms Thor!
I'm blown anyway about the Heimdall theory. Never have I once thought he had powers from the soul stone. It makes sense, rather than seeing people, he sees their souls. Like he saw Loki as soon as he arrived on earth, because he came through the space stone portal which has a connection to the soul stone, thus him sensing it straight away. Very clever.
For years people suspected that Heimdall had the Soul Stone and that it was part of why he was stationed at the very edge of Asgard, so as to keep maximum distance from The Tesseract.
@@gregbasore2108 I'm new to the mcu 😅 I watched Thor, Iron Man and Cap america back in the day but dropped off it until 6 months ago. But the Heimdall thing isn't cannon according to marvel though? So still just a theory?
@@Natta44 Just a theory, but modeled off one that's been around for awhile.
It’s important to remember that in the opening of Infinity War Ebony Maw said that “Never before has anyone wielded the power of two Infinity Stones.” I don’t think this contradicts your theory, though. He already had the Space Stone, and probably had an idea where the reality Stone was since it was his father that sealed it away, but I think it’s possible that Odin gave up on his Infinity Quest after he realized the price of the Soul Stone. Knowing Hela would have gladly sacrificed him for the Stone and realizing what he was becoming, he had no choice but to sacrifice/imprison Hela tying his life to her imprisonment through the power of the Soul Stone.
It's also entirely possible for Maw to have been wrong, especially since he was such a fawning fanboy of Thanos that he might not have been able to imagine anyone outdoing the Mad Titan at anything.
All im saying is Marvel needs to hire you, you're good!
Me *giggling* through all your edits :)
Do you have any questions for me?
How do you think mutants will be introduced in the MCU?
I have a question, if Hela used the eternal flame to bring her army back from the dead and Suerter's monster form was power but the eternal flame why didn't ragnarok just make Hela stronger or bring her back from the dead?
@@BeastMode303 Because she was killed by Surtur and he was planning on killing everything and everyone on Asgard so he would not bring her back and her body had to be destroyed so she can't be brought back as what is basically a zombie.
I'm loving this theory! But maybe Hela doesn't survive Ragnarok, and the Necrosword is launched through space during the explosion and finds its way to Gorr's planet (maybe attached to Helas corpse?) Keeping his origin story pretty similar to the comics, which I personally think is written perfectly. Or they could pull a Taskmaster and make me cry.
That seems cool use her dead body and make it the necrosword
I could almost get behind this, but Cate Blanchette is too damn cool as Hela to not reuse her.
My biggest problem with the movie is that the whole point of Hella was trying to get The bifrost sword to open the biFrost but Oden spear is also capable of opening the by Frost which is seen in the first Thor and can be seen on the throne next to Hella while sitting on the throne 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe the spear could do that because it was imbued with the Odin Force and when he died that force disappeared
Oden Did not use the biFrost he’d Conjure up dark magic 🪄 to Transport Thor and Loki
@@delmarfrazier2727 yeah you’re wrong. He did open it with Gungir Spear. Look at Thor 1 movie not Avengers 1 for this scene
@@Mr713mexican I don’t know what you’re talking about you don’t know what we’re talking about
@@delmarfrazier2727 yes I do. Original post said Odin opened the bifrost with the spear and you’ said no, he used dark magic to get Thor and loki to earth. You guys are both talking about different scenes. Original post is correct, there is a continuity error in Thor 3. Hella had the spear and she could have opened it.
So the “soul for a soul" doesn't mean dead? Odin gave her living soul to the stone whereas everyone else interpreted it as death due to Thanos killing Gamora. This seems very Uchiha stone tablet to me
nice catch.
I'd personally never Believe in that "Soul for a Soul=Dead) Nonsense because for Nat it's goes Against Endgame Time-Travel Rules that Nat can't bring bought because she isn't the Soul-Stone sacrifice Gamora is , Who it also come from First wo was the Red Skull. If Ryan's Theory is correct about Odin is Creator of the Soul Stone "Rules" that adds another Liar to that List in Odin. Odin Could have easily lied to whoever it was with the Soul Stone about the whole "A Soul for A Soul".
It would make sense that Nat is still alive, and that the soul stone simply refused to give her up when Bruce tried to bring her back
If Hela showed up at the last minute of Thor Love & Thunder just like what Carol did in Endgame, I gonna scream to death!
Nevermind Hela. What happened to Surtur after Ragnarok? The dude demolishes the only thing he's standing on. That eternal fire upgrade has to be eternalling somewhere.
Who knows.....they do not want to show the plot holes....
@@Shadowdragon1143 what plot holes 🕳 damn do you guys watch the movie 🎥. He told Thor he can’t die in the beginning of the movie until he Fulfilled the prophecy Ragnarok
Wow!!! that end theory would by amazing to see. Awesome work as always man.
Interesting theories, some quite compelling, but regarding Hela's imprisonment, she _very clearly_ exited a green bubbly "Kirby-esque" portal, unlike anything related to the Soul Stone. So that one is definitely a _no._
nah . she probably re transformed in the orange way odin did . she just teleported using her 9 realms teleportation powers to go to thor and loki which was the green bubbly portal
@@mahadbahad9895 she cannot teleport she jumped into the bifrost that's why thor shouts no to loki he new she would follow 👍✌
This was amazing. I love it.
I really enjoyed this, thanks!
Ever since I heard "the goddess of death" was going to be in ragnorok I thought the same idea that Hela being lady death. In my mind it could even bring some credence to thanos's infatuation with Lady death in that she could've really been behind the scenes of his conquest and pulling some heart strings since the beginning (not that it matters at this point). On top of that she's definitely powerful enough to have potentially survived a giant lava blade to the face and 2 planet-wide explosions, all back to back.
You mean she was lady death all along.....🤣
@@Shadowdragon1143 in a nutshell
Outstanding video! I've got 2 questions: 1) Did the Valkyries die on Vormir trying to get Hela trapped inside the Soul Stone??! 2) Who's Hela's Mom? I don't think it's Frigga.
Loki Series confirms they can float in space for a long time. Old Loki explains how after the thanos attacks their ship, he hid and when the ship explodes he floated around for years until he landed on a baron planet
It alway super good when you explain,
Your theory videos make me love Marvel so much more.
Great theory!
ooh I'd love to see Hela come back like this!
I like this path. I think Odin found out what the sacrifice was for the Soul Stone and this stopped his quest with Hela, but she was willing to sacrifice him for it. Obviously he bested her and Odin made it a point to treat the Infinity Stones with more caution.
Also, the Infinity Stones being atomized cannot be unintentional. I think they come back in Ant-Man 3.
Such a Beautiful fabric of story telling. *sound of me applauding
Brilliant.. stay on target!
‘Strength’ and ‘power’ are two different things I finally worked out when finally listening to it properly!!
we need more hela, like yesterday! hope she returns and becomes a recurring villain. maybe even crossover with deadpool
Ok I'm here for it!
i love your theories but i think that if hela were to come back as the goddess of death, gore would want to see her defeated more than anything because he is angry for what odin and hela did when they conquered so i could see gore and thor (i know sounds cheesy), team up to defeat her once and for all. just a thought
It'd also work as a triangular fight, i.e. all three participants fighting against the other two, with no allies among the three.
Gorr thinks all gods are the same and unworthy of their powers so no he won't team with a god
Kevin Feige needs to scoop you up and put you on the team.
I mean she is called the Goddess Of Death and in comics we see her ressurect herself many timees.
Very well put theory i hope that it winds up happening in thor 4. I agree about the soul stone being connected between hela, thor and hemidell.
Hela definitely isn't dead and I can't wait for her to make her return to the MCU. She's easily my favorite villain.
She was a parody of gorr, the viliian of Thor 4
I think we'll see her again since gorr is a time traveling villian
Personally, I think the soulstone should have returned to vormir when Tony's Nanobots stole the stones from Thanos.
Loved the Sto Vo Kor reference lol
Well, Hela crown, can give you her powers, from the what if episode, so maybe she is, since Hela powers are like the Nekro sword.
i just realize that background is printed cardboard with those movies :D
That moment in LOTR when Galadriela snaps is still scary after all these years.
I love this channel
Film theory's videos are great but this channel tells more theories
Good theory.
I saw someones comment about all of Wanda's visions kind of come true. But apart from Thor and Tony's and Caps. Thor was supposed to die with his people during Ragnorok. But because of Lokis unpredictable nature of saving them last minute, Thor survived and some of his people and he even survived Thanos. Same thing with Tony, everyone was supposed to die by Thanos, but time travel kind of undid most of it and he died instead. Cap was never supposed to get that last dance but he did through time travel which goes against the natural order. So it proved chaos can rewrite reality. It's kind of cool when you think hard about that :)
Nice Little Shop of Horrors reference!
I wish Marvel had Hela be in Love and Thunder.
There is one big flaw in the MCU. Heimdall can see every soul... but why did he not see that Thanos was killing so many people in the universe?
yeah exactly. he should’ve been able to see thanos coming right before he attacked the asgardians. but honestly they probably wouldn’t be able to do much against thanos bigger warships
I have always wondered whether ther could ever be a connection between Hela and Lady Death?How good would that twist be?
Kevin Fiege and the MCU should hire you as a consultant of some type, you come up with some awesome theories/ideas!
This is so much fun
Ya once you start talking about Odin negotiating and having conversations with the Soul stone, I checked out.
Love the channel, one of the reasons being your gleefully terrible vocal impressions 🤣 please don't get better at them ❤
Hela is the goddess of death. She can't die. In the mythology hela's wolf Garm guards the gates to helheim. Hela decides who goes and who leaves 'her' land of dead. I get the comics are different from the mythology but I'm pretty sure she has resurrected herself a couple of times in the comics. Why else call her the goddess of death? if she can't even conquer death herself..
MCU Hella is a bit different from the comics from what I know. In the comics, what you say makes sense, but in the MCU I feel they will develop her differently. It's kinda like how Lady Loki and Enchantress have their character's merged in the MCU.
I feel they want to steer away from her more, "god of death" stuff due to sensibilities in China.
Everyone's visions from Wanda came true. Steve goes back and gets his dance with Peggy and Natasha goes back for his sister's in the Red Room.
Ryan looks more like a grown up Macaulay Culkin than Macaulay Culkin😂
Just to add some fun fact that connects with this, there is a Boardgame called Marvel Villainous, where you can play as Hella, and she has a power card called "A soul for a soul"
Ah ! You beat me to it 🥳
If my memory is accurate. Wanda got her powers/they were unlocked, through the soul stone in loki's staff. Then we find out wanda was born with magic and her ultimate potential was unlocked(dbz)through the soul stone. Then FF Wanda's heart broken and recreates reality in west view.....all this is b4 the fight with Agatha and wanda becomes the "scarlet witch".
I would love to see each of the stones come back together over the next few phases, but as the people that have access to their power rather than as the physical stones again.
I think the stones tricked Thanos into destroying their physical form so they transform back into their original form, Infinity, the sister of Eternity!
Petition to MARVEL to hire this guy👇
Hela as mistress death. Interesting theory
I want Thor 4 opening to be Gor reaching the ruins of Asgard , finding Hella and killing her with the Necrosword, going on to go and kill "Gods" someone from Greek mythology, maybe that's how Zeus comes into play
He also used a spell similar to Strange to make people forget her
great theory. Because it kinda means that odin used the stones TO conquer the 9 realms in the first place. Like this one. Makes sense that heimdall would be the manifestation of the soul stone.
well i think hela just went back to the portal that she comes from , i mean you humans did see the green light just before surtur sword slice her down right? so its safe to say she went back to hel or which ever prison she's kept but this time around she can go as she please instead of being trapped by odin , i feel that is she is a master of war and sorceress too , she did use conjuration for weapons like loki did so safe to say she know a way to make a quick exit
This might end up being your best video every cause I wouldn’t be surprised if they copy and pasted this
I'd like to see Hela return with purpose like Red Skull did.
I think it would be great if she came back but with the new title of Lady Death. Red Skull became keeper of the soul stone, a soul for a soul implys that "souls" do have purpose and power in this universe, maybe she could have been brought back as a collector of souls for a yet unseen big bad.
Plus if we're introducing Deadpool again, it'd be nice to see him fall for her, and her become fascinated by not being able to harvest his soul.
I doubt she's alive, especially since remember how Odin dissolved into golden dust when he died, I think Hela was the same when she was hit by Surtur's blade, and even if she survived the initial blade strike, the implosion of Asgard would have finished her off, so yeah she dead.
Doesn't it mean surtur also have died in the explosion....I think surtur is here to destroy asguard only ......see how he lost against thor in the starting...
@@Shadowdragon1143 duh
@@Shadowdragon1143 yes. Especially since Surtur says himself that he can only die once he destroys Asgard.
The theory of Odin having connections with the infinity stones makes sense but the theory of Hela being in the soul world not so much because it’s was said the Odin sent the whole Valkyrie to stop hela from escaping which then that wouldn’t make sense
Prediction: the Thor 4 end credits stinger will end with Hella Good by No Doubt ⚡️
That "Soul For A Soul" theory sounds pretty solid to me.
How about a Dune 2 prediction vid?
Hela is a hella powerful villian....sorry figured someone would say it. But I like this theory. Heimdall did say seeing souls. Maybe that's what he sees when he sees people wherever they are in the universe. And the deep that when Odin dies she is freed. And, as far as I remember, MCU Odin never mentioned (or stated about him) he gave an eye for wisdom. That's just lore. But what if his eye was the "tax" on the deal to swamp souls until he naturally (for an Asgardian) died.
Norse with dishonorable Sent to Niflhiem. Hel ruled over the dead she wasnt a place. She was actually the daughter of Loki
Can you please do another video on “What if” with Hela please we need them to get her back for the next Thor movie I know @marvel watch your video 😭🙏🏾
in the Age of Ultron movie, Wanda had a necklace on with a centerpiece of a glass holding a red liquid, the Ether was in a portal in Europe, maybe someone with magnetic powers got some and put it in a necklace centerpiece? and that person had some kids and they gave it to one of them?, that would explain why Wanda's power is red colored and why she can affect reality/the physical world
Your theory doesn't address that Hela's power was tied directly to Asgard. That is why Thor let Certa destroy it: destroy Asgard = destroy Hela. So you need a way that a nerfed Hela can survive both the destruction on Asgard, and the cold cold emptiness of space.
"Asgard is not a place. Never was. This could be Asgard. Asgard is where our people stand."
I have a crazy theory. What if Bor is the one who taught Odin about the infinity stones? I've never heard anyone talk about this, but it seems obvious upon rewatch. For instance, the beginning of Thor: TDW shows us that Bor knew about the Aether. It also shows us the Bifrost being used during a time before Odin's reign and if you're like me and believe the Tesseract was key to its creation, then that means that Bor had knowledge of it as well. I think what may have happened is Bor taught Odin about the stones and out of his own curiosity, he began a quest for the others, sort of like Thor did. While I don't think he was able to find them all, I do believe he was able to find the Soul Stone and that the Odinsleep is derived from its power much like how the Arc Reactor is derived from the power of the Tesseract. I also think that Heimdall's power comes from it, which implies that he came into contact with it or its energy similar to what happened with Carol and Wanda. Maybe that happened because of Odin, or it was under his watch. Seeing how the Mind Stone corrupted Loki's mind in the Avengers, Odin might have also had it in his possession at one point, and perhaps that's what caused him to conquer the nine realms instead of protecting and keeping the peace between them as his father and grandfather did. Perhaps people knew he had multiple stones in his possession at one point, and this is the reason he had the fake gauntlet made because he didn't want anyone to know he stopped searching or that hid the ones he had, so he led people to believe he was able to collect them all. The only problem with this is that Ebony Maw says that Thanos is the first to wield multiple stones, but all that shows is how they knew Odin didn't have all of them. With that said, it not too much of a reach to think they may have also presumed he never wielded multiple stones at once either, whether or not he actually did. Anyway, that's my crazy theory.
Nice theory. Hella then could return, resurrect Thanos & then become his Lady Death character
Bring Hela back. ✊😀
I just saw something that was saying Hela maybe survived by going through a portal or something when she gets hit by Surtur’s blade. You can see a flash of green similar to when she first appeared earlier in the film. Idk tho, what do you think Ryan?
I thought Hela was going to be Lady Death the driving force behind Thanos' Infinity Quest, you know telling him Asgardian lost Secrets but no such luck...
Also I don't think it not keeping two stones in one place was fear of temptation, but they are "alive" and want to by together so having two together calls the others.
But Odin using the four or so stones he collected to forge Asgard and empower her people would work. Odin All-Power/Reality, Asgard the Timeless city, Heimdall Soul, Bifrost Space...
Hella Might’ve been even able to use the frost chest to make a frost bridge and send herself somewhere and that’s when Azucar blew up at the end of Ragnarok.
before the Infinity War movie, i thought that Heimdal had the Soul Stone because he had an organge gem in his chestplate that had the Tree of Life/Light engraved on it, and his pupils were orange and he said he could see 10 billion souls and in Captain America, the Space Stone was hidden in a relief sculpture of the Tree of Life/Light . and when Heimdal was killed, maybe the Soul Stone was sent back to Vormir. in the Silver Surfer cartoon, Thanos is in love with Death, a female marvel character. Hela said she was the Goddess of Death. Odin had the Space Stone in his vault, guarded by the Guardian. why did Thanos wait until Infinity War movie to collect the stones? he had to wait for Odin to die, to get the Space Stone. but Odin dying released Hela , maybe Thanos knew Hela and was waiting to impress her with killing half the Universe . like he did in the comic books.
"I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for simping Hela"
It doesn't matter if hela is alive anymore..or not remember? Ordin said that she gets her powers from Adgard...but now it is destroyed so she would be very weak even if she were alive.
You saying that Valhalla and the Well of Mimir is really Vormir? And that Odin's wisdom means he can communicate with the wisdom of the gem? Makes sense. He could impart wisdom into the hammer to make it discern who was worthy. He could do the same with a Well. We've also seen Heimdall grant orange eyes briefly to Thor.
Cool theory, please forward to Kevin Feige
We're getting fricking Lady Thor in 5 months!!!!
I hyped for Gorr