I started hovering on my second flight. its very uncomfortable and the controls are all probably 10 times more sensitive than they are when you are flying up in the air. pretty wild. my next flight (third) we will be hovering for the entire hour
Hi. I enjoy watching these videos a lot. It is very useful learning. I will never be a real life pilot though :). Once way back I actually considered it for a short time, but life didn't permit me to go that route at the time, and now I fear it is too late. But what I really want to do is to build a simulator - one that is not just cheap plastic joysticks and rudders mounted on some PVC pipes, but build controls that feels real - at least that is what I can do since mechanics and automation is kinda my thing. Then it will depend on the software how I can make the simulator rig react. Since I actually never flew a real helicopter (got to sit in a R44 once but the controls had the friction on), I never really got the chance to really feel the controls. My questions to you that actually fly helicopters is: - Do the controls appear heavy or light during flight? I mean, is there no friction felt at all? - What happens to the cyclic stick if you just release it? Is there any kind of mechanism that more or less holds it's position, or does it just follow the movements of the swashplate whatever that might be? The latter seems most logical to me. Least logical to me is the thought of a cyclic stick that autocenters.. would be very impractical during flight :). - How would you describe the force needed to operate the collective with no friction applied? - I read much of the R22 piloting manual, and it says that the governor can be easily overridden by holding it - and in some videos I've seen here on youtube the narrator says it needs a hard grip to override it. What is the truth here? - The last question, is there in an R22 or R44 or similar type of helicopters any kind of force-feel in the controls? Do you ever have to "fight" the controls, or are they always equally easy to manipulate? Wow, I realize this is a very long posting, hope you guys take the time to read it, and know that it means a lot to me if you could help me with answers to at least some of the questions. Thank you!
Controls can be light to heavy depending on how much friction the pilot has applied - I like a bit of friction especially in turbulence, but most like very light feel. Cyclic will move if you have no friction - often forward and to one side but depends on rigging, aircraft, flight condition etc - you could probably work that out with some time in an aircraft. Collective is usually relatively light with no friction, but not as light/sensitive as the cyclic. Governor override is relatively easy - like turning a moderately stiff door handle Non-hydraulic helicopters like the R22 do require some constant pressure at high speed to fight against the rotor disc wanting to move back and sideways due to the aerodynamics of the rotor system. But in hydraulic aircraft there *should* be no feedback Best go take a demo flight or two with a local flight school to feel it for yourself - tell them what you are after, sure they would be interested in helping. Best of luck
Thank you very much. This answer (especially after more research I've done after asking here) sounds logical and everything makes more sense now :). Thank you very much also for the recoommendations on further research. It would've been fun to have a flight or two with a school just to see what it was all about. So just to make sure I understand it clear - the cyclic will move as you described - both in hydraulic and non hydraulic aircrafts? I actually have a relatively close relative who was a former helicopter pilot in (he is retired many years ago) but I could probably ask him for a bit more details before paying for a demo flight with the flight school which sounds extremely fun (which I will do in the future for sure) but I suspect it is quite expensive :). Anyway, again, thank you for taking your time to write such a long and precise reply. Have a nice day! :).
@@HelicopterTrainingVideos Not yet :). I've been revisiting it now and then during the years and thought up some ways to actually do it mechanically, drew up some sketches, but life situation dictated that I put it on hold for the time being (when it comes to actually building). With that said, it was fun to look over what u wrote here now. In the meantime I've been talking a couple of times with a friend that had a career up until recently as a helicopter mechanic, and later working as engineer in the same company. And talked briefly with a retired helicopter pilot (a relative of mine), and reading what u wrote after these conversations, it makes even more sense in the way that I understand it better - so it was probably both time and money saving to put it on hold for now :P. When I get to the point of actually constructing and building something like this - whatever form it will come in - I'll most likely make videos about it too, so I'll make a note that I'll send you some updates when I get to that point. Again thank's for all the useful input u gave me. I never got to the point of actually flying a real helicopter yet hehe, but in the meantime I'll have to make do with my RC ones :) hehe.
Hovering a helicopter is hard and it is even harder on a computer without the movement or peripheral input. But it can be done and so I'd say take it slow - try to just get 'light on the skids' and stop all movement before fully picking up. Also try a high hover to give yourself more time before impact. Also remember there is a time delay from control input to aircraft response - so small movement & wait. Best of luck!
Hovering a helicopter is hard and it is even harder on a computer without the movement or peripheral input. But it can be done and so I'd say take it slow - try to just get 'light on the skids' and stop all movement before fully picking up. Also try a high hover to give yourself more time before impact. Also remember there is a time delay from control input to aircraft response - so small movement & wait. Best of luck!
I never knew what that swinging effect was or if it had a name, except that it threw me off a few times. Thanks for the demonstration!
I'm starting hovering in 2 days and I'm really nervous! Your videos are really helpful! Can't wait to watch them all.
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I started hovering on my second flight. its very uncomfortable and the controls are all probably 10 times more sensitive than they are when you are flying up in the air. pretty wild. my next flight (third) we will be hovering for the entire hour
How did it go? Did you become a pilot?
@@MrTyler8877 How about you? Did you become a pilot?
@@HelicopterTrainingVideos unfortunately not. About 10 hours in and it was just too expensive to pay for out of pocket.
Hovering - Turns, Pendulum Effect, Sideways, Backwards & Tips - Helicopter Flight Maneuvers
Hi. I enjoy watching these videos a lot. It is very useful learning. I will never be a real life pilot though :). Once way back I actually considered it for a short time, but life didn't permit me to go that route at the time, and now I fear it is too late.
But what I really want to do is to build a simulator - one that is not just cheap plastic joysticks and rudders mounted on some PVC pipes, but build controls that feels real - at least that is what I can do since mechanics and automation is kinda my thing. Then it will depend on the software how I can make the simulator rig react.
Since I actually never flew a real helicopter (got to sit in a R44 once but the controls had the friction on), I never really got the chance to really feel the controls. My questions to you that actually fly helicopters is:
- Do the controls appear heavy or light during flight? I mean, is there no friction felt at all?
- What happens to the cyclic stick if you just release it? Is there any kind of mechanism that more or less holds it's position, or does it just follow the movements of the swashplate whatever that might be? The latter seems most logical to me. Least logical to me is the thought of a cyclic stick that autocenters.. would be very impractical during flight :).
- How would you describe the force needed to operate the collective with no friction applied?
- I read much of the R22 piloting manual, and it says that the governor can be easily overridden by holding it - and in some videos I've seen here on youtube the narrator says it needs a hard grip to override it. What is the truth here?
- The last question, is there in an R22 or R44 or similar type of helicopters any kind of force-feel in the controls? Do you ever have to "fight" the controls, or are they always equally easy to manipulate?
Wow, I realize this is a very long posting, hope you guys take the time to read it, and know that it means a lot to me if you could help me with answers to at least some of the questions.
Thank you!
Controls can be light to heavy depending on how much friction the pilot has applied - I like a bit of friction especially in turbulence, but most like very light feel.
Cyclic will move if you have no friction - often forward and to one side but depends on rigging, aircraft, flight condition etc - you could probably work that out with some time in an aircraft.
Collective is usually relatively light with no friction, but not as light/sensitive as the cyclic.
Governor override is relatively easy - like turning a moderately stiff door handle
Non-hydraulic helicopters like the R22 do require some constant pressure at high speed to fight against the rotor disc wanting to move back and sideways due to the aerodynamics of the rotor system. But in hydraulic aircraft there *should* be no feedback
Best go take a demo flight or two with a local flight school to feel it for yourself - tell them what you are after, sure they would be interested in helping.
Best of luck
Thank you very much. This answer (especially after more research I've done after asking here) sounds logical and everything makes more sense now :).
Thank you very much also for the recoommendations on further research. It would've been fun to have a flight or two with a school just to see what it was all about.
So just to make sure I understand it clear - the cyclic will move as you described - both in hydraulic and non hydraulic aircrafts?
I actually have a relatively close relative who was a former helicopter pilot in (he is retired many years ago) but I could probably ask him for a bit more details before paying for a demo flight with the flight school which sounds extremely fun (which I will do in the future for sure) but I suspect it is quite expensive :).
Anyway, again, thank you for taking your time to write such a long and precise reply.
Have a nice day! :).
Did you build that simulator?
@@HelicopterTrainingVideos
Not yet :). I've been revisiting it now and then during the years and thought up some ways to actually do it mechanically, drew up some sketches, but life situation dictated that I put it on hold for the time being (when it comes to actually building).
With that said, it was fun to look over what u wrote here now. In the meantime I've been talking a couple of times with a friend that had a career up until recently as a helicopter mechanic, and later working as engineer in the same company. And talked briefly with a retired helicopter pilot (a relative of mine), and reading what u wrote after these conversations, it makes even more sense in the way that I understand it better - so it was probably both time and money saving to put it on hold for now :P.
When I get to the point of actually constructing and building something like this - whatever form it will come in - I'll most likely make videos about it too, so I'll make a note that I'll send you some updates when I get to that point.
Again thank's for all the useful input u gave me. I never got to the point of actually flying a real helicopter yet hehe, but in the meantime I'll have to make do with my RC ones :) hehe.
@@LifeOnHoth Got ya - yeah life gets in the way for sure! Well, I look forward to your update and videos when it happens. Best of luck!
im 14 and want to fly and i have a fight sim (x plane10) and i try and try to hover but it gets out of control and i cant stop it any tips
And now you are 20... Flying helicopters yet?? ;-)
Why no sound sir ?
Mute button? ;-)
im 14 and want to fly and i have a fight sim (x plane10) and i try and try to hover but it gets out of control and i cant stop it any tips
Hovering a helicopter is hard and it is even harder on a computer without the movement or peripheral input. But it can be done and so I'd say take it slow - try to just get 'light on the skids' and stop all movement before fully picking up. Also try a high hover to give yourself more time before impact. Also remember there is a time delay from control input to aircraft response - so small movement & wait. Best of luck!
Hovering a helicopter is hard and it is even harder on a computer without the movement or peripheral input. But it can be done and so I'd say take it slow - try to just get 'light on the skids' and stop all movement before fully picking up. Also try a high hover to give yourself more time before impact. Also remember there is a time delay from control input to aircraft response - so small movement & wait. Best of luck!
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