How Much FASTER are Track Tyres?
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🔴 Ep 2 - Can a $5000 Subaru BEAT a $200,000 Supercar?
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🔴 Ep 3 - Will $1000 Coilovers Help Beat a Supercar?
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🔴 Ep 4 - How Much Faster are Track Tyres?
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🔴 Ep 5 - How Much Faster Is a Lighter Car?
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🔴 Ep 6 - Stock Brakes vs $1000 Track Brakes
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This is a £60 tyre, this is a £100 tyre and THIS is a £150 track tyre. We’re going to do some laps on each tyre to see which gains us the most time for the money.
Here are three sets of tyres, a budget set, a premium set and some semi-slick track tyres. We're going to do some laps on each of these tyres - to see which gain us the most time for the money. We’re trying to beat a supercar with just £15,000.
Last time out we fitted a set of BC Racing coilovers which really exposed how bad our old tyres are. In this episode, we’ll compare an eco tyre, a performance tyre and a track tyre to figure out which one we should go with. Let’s look at what we’ve got.
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@@nankangtyreuk6436 Dunno. It wasn't me who had the trouble (although I've certainly got cars home with new tires inflated at max rated pressure). Tire changers would seem to be the target audience for any instructional verbiage.
I hope we get a weight loss episode where it's just the three of them cutting as much stuff off the car as possible while keeping it drivable
And road legal
Rear seats, spare tire, roof lining, floor mats, all go!
The original challenge was the keep it more practical than a super car so they couldn’t really reduce weight much
Adding lightness is the ultimate mod, i say strip it bare, window motor, power locks, wipers, dash, carpets headliner and anything non critical.
@@desirefusion532 I don’t believe that was really the case, otherwise they wouldn’t have even tried the semi slicks. So I think this is something they will/should do in a future episode
@@desirefusion532 Carpets and interior are all impractical, they get wet, dirty, and wear out. When i stripped my CRX down to bare metal with a single plastic racing bucket and did a stage 1 NA tune, weighed under 1000lbs, it would float over rough stuff and fly like a WRC car over cattle grates at full send, and you want practicality? I can hose out the 50-100lbs of desert i pick up in the form of cowshit, dust and gravel during a drive.
I was a rollcage and a few other mods away from passing tech for rally when a drunk driver t-boned me and wrecked it.
This is so cool. It feels a lot more "real" than what top gear used to do. That being said, i am waiting for you to do the final time run using a massively over tuned setup and the let the engine detonate as it goes over the line.
And for our final modification we decided to remove the fuel system and just run pure JP5 fuel 💁♂
It is a subaru...
@@markredacted8547 E85 would do the job even better - it's a turbo
Top gear is just bs so yeah
@@sepg5084 lol you dont like top gear 🤣
Love this! Hope they do chassis stiffening (poly bushings, motor mounts, sway bars, etc.) as well as those brakes lol
doesn't help times as much as it improves the driver's feeling. Also it's much more important on higher speed tracks.
@@OxxidCZ it seems like this track has more twisties (I wish they had done a birds eye of the track layout). But they are relatively cheap options to get the car as flat as possible, esp because most things power related, like injectors, rails, tune, turbos, cams etc will be pretty expensive ... (plus CONTENT!) lol
@@akaSUPERMAN +1 they should get a drone for aerial camera shots
Front lower control arm rear bushings in poly or delrin will improve grip significantly. All others will be marginal improvements at best.
@@turbo_brian that's true, except if the stock rubber is trashed, which is pretty common in older cars. Then it'd be worth it
There are a lot of youtube channels that try to emulate the old school top gear feel, but this is one of the only channels that actually pulls it off! Love the direction you're going with your videos!
This comment sums up very well the overall feel of this series, reminiscent of old top gear but with enough personality of their own to feel fresh and new.
When you look at how cringe making bad the American version of Top Gear is with it's huge budget and C-List celebrities, you appreciate just how well theses lads are doing. The banter feels real on this channel, but so obviously staged and false on TG America. Together with Driver 61, Scott's channels are also way more informed and informative. The Formula 1 analysis is especially good.
I think Car Throttle is pretty good as well. Also reminiscent of the old Top Gear. 3 Brits doing shenanigans with cars, all sorts of challenges and some pretty good banter as well.
Really? It feels identical to Car Throttle...a copy pasta. Like watching Music Idol from a different country. With budget Simon Cowell
You're kidding right?
I've seen plenty of rally subarus sparking their brakes like that, looks so dramatic especially at night!
Went to a night winter rally where they had studded tyres but went over some tarmac bits, sparks flying everywhere it was frikin awesome
Super happy with your tire choice!! If you are doing brakes next, please for the love of god don’t but a big Brembo brake kit. Big brakes only help with heat dissipation, letting you get full performance lap after lap.
If you’re only doing a few laps, get some quality fluid and track pads, like carbotech xp24s. Will squeal really loudly below 300 degrees but when warm, they quiet down and BITE
A bbk with opposed piston calipers makes a huge difference to pedal feel and confidence, so you can modulate better and trail brake for longer. Its not just about heat dissipation.
Larger brake disk means the pads have more leverage to stop the wheel which means more braking force…
You can most likely get enough braking torque from the stock caliper to lock up the wheels, aka the maximum braking torque you can use. Even those grippy tires can still be locked up most likely. An aggressive pad compound and a quality rotor is all thats needed. Centric 125 series high carbon rotors and hawk hp + pads would be my recommendation if available.
They can't focus too much on braking. Brakes alone aren't going to solve their 6 second problem and they can easily eat up 3k in a brake setup. The op is right, pads, better rotors and fresh fluid will be enough for a single lap. This is a sprint not a Marathon
@@vr6one you're right. On this budget and for this purpose, a BBK is probably overkill. If I was in their shoes, I'd probably do pads, a flush and maybe braided lines. I suspect the best improvement will be when they inevitably strip it.
So hyped for this series. Keep going!
Yess!
Love this series and the cheap car challenge 😁😁
Cheers Paul, appreciate that. Scott.
Yay is good to have an update on this series. 1) thanks for showing the 3 options and testing them. 2) you guys should definitely check on better brakes and the rest spend it on whatever power upgrades you can afford
Better brakes wont really help a single lap
Love that you went with the only right tire choice. You can't go wrong with the best tire possible you can afford. Such an underrated part of a cars overall performance.
Great series, I'd guess brakes next? Considering that these seem quite dangerously worn off.
Here's some insight from racing the wrx platform. Try 2deg - front camber for less understeer and when you will get to max grip in cornering you will loose oil pressure 😞
More of these please! This stuff is so entertaining
nice episode. Also saw Scott live on saturday and he went from P10 to P1! He was flying out there!
Adding lightness is going to be the ultimate mod, stripping the interior and anything not essential will do more to make it come alive than all other mods, and it's basically free. Can't wait to see the dash, carpet, window motors, seats and all the useless stuff get torn out. Hell, you could make money back if you ebay the parts.
Part of the challenge was to keep it usable as a daily so I don't think this is gonna be a viable option :/
@@loupcordeille-bougault3474 Lol you don't need interior to daily it, in fact you have more room for groceries making it an even BETTER grocery getter without all that extra stuff lol. I've daily driven plenty of 'lightened' vehicles, better mileage, better performance, spill resistance. It's nice to be able to hose off the interior when it fills up with rocks and dust from the desert. You want it to be a 'supercar'? Lambo uses skateboard grip tape on bare floorboards and CHARGES EXTRA for the 'lightweight' option of no carpet or headliner.
And besides, supercars aren't exactly daily drivers, a bigger challenge will be to bring your Lambo to Wal-Mart, Costco, the gym, the vape shop, the post office and Home Depot for a year like it's a Scooby lol.
@@rustymustard7798 it’s more comfortable, with full interior. Besides the Lambo isn’t stripped. Better just get a light weight battery
@@loupcordeille-bougault3474 lol see that new episode? Haha! They even said the same thing I did, more room for groceries lol.
It just makes sense to do, they don't stand a chance without losing weight. If they didn't then all the other mods would have been a waste.
@@BoHorror lol see the new episode?
this exactly the kind of stuff you want to see from a car channel. great comparisons, great content, looking forward to see the development of this humble wagon
"I just tasted the track, it tastes fast"
Life goals 🤣
OMG thats the only channel im desperately waiting for to upload. Keep going lads💪🏼
This currently my absolute favorite CZcams series. Love it! Can’t wait to see your next upgrades.
I love your videos, great mix of education and humor!
Keep up the awesome content!
Loving this series! Can’t wait for next episode!
This video series is so cool! Thanks for the effort!
Have been waiting for this video for a while. Great content!
Loving this series, it’s amazing
Weight reduction, bushings and brakes will be a really interesting video! Great series
Love this series!!
Cant wait to see next episode, love your channel!
I love how Scott actually put his tongue on the tarmac and didn't even have a joke ready for when he got up, what a legend.
Love this waiting for more
Oh good! I thought maybe you gave up on this series when you started the new one last video. Lots of content coming in from you!
In california we call the nankang an "entry level all season tire." Last time I checked the rival 1.5s was the fastest on the market but that was before the new re-71rs was widely available.
Yokohama Advan A052, Falken RT660 and Nankang CR-1 are the best-in-slot 200TW tires now, also faster than the AR-1 in this type of setting because their optimal temperature is super low and they work right away from a standing start :)
@@VeliRajasaar A052 is a qualy tire. Least durable 200TW, but fast.
RS4s are great.
Calling AR1's an entry level all season tyre is a bit of a stretch. Potentially you're thinking of the NS2r?
Regardless they're still a decent cheap performer. Maybe not on the same level as AO52s etc for autocross though
keep the series going man!
As a WRX driver I am super stoked for these, please get them out quicker than once a month!
As another WRX driver, I sure hope you're not planning on tracking the car. They really like to explode in interesting ways.
they need better brakes. then the time will explode especially with racing brakes
@@Hawk7886 LOL No, it's a '21 I bought brand new off the truck, she'll never see a track. Still like to see videos of their potential though.
Very cool series, entertaining and informational. Perfect mix! More like this please.
You guys are putting out some seriously good videos. Glad to meet you if you come to Italy! ✌🏻
I saw one of the episodes of 'MORE FAST' - insta sub. GREAT CONTENT. I am trully amazed!
I get as giddy when this pops up in my notifications as when I saw Top Gear was up next on cable TV as a kid. Love the way you integrate the sponsorships; really organic. I'm rooting so hard for the Subie and for your channel!!!
Great series however I have some suggestions. Is there a way you can use a more accurate method of timing the laps. Pressing start and stop on your phone is bound to cause incosistencies due to human error and reaction speed. Another is that it is proabably best to do a run of 3 or so laps and take the average as the result you go by.
I had these two exact thoughts!
The other thing about the Nankang... they will really need to good temperature to work properly as all true track tyres do.
Brilliant episode!
Cool series guys!
Love this series
Better setup of the BCs, alignement, lighter wheels, good fluid and pads with possibly some weight saving inside would do well imo
This series is great!
New tires have a mould release compound on the treads.
They should have given each set atleast 10 fastlaps to get the tire surface to optimal grip level
I subbed to you guys because of this series, it's lots of fun.
Love it. I'm interesting to see how you further close the gap after you've upgraded the brakes
wow that was really interesting with the pressures! I wonder if the uhp tyre could've done better with lower pressure.
These upgrade slower car to be faster series are always so exciting, can't wait for the next episode
Brakes and tyres similar to the slicks used in this episode gave us our biggest difference in racing. Then weight.
Power, bushes, suspension, etc, were very minor
amazing series
That's an excellent use of sponsorship! They're actually being useful.
Love these episodes, maybe take all the seats out and gut out the car
Great vid for the most underrated speed upgrade, currently stuck waiting for anything but all-season tires to be back in stock for my stock Miata wheels.
Just waiting for this channel to be renamed Brodie Media at this point.
My favourite series on youtube :D
I would have loved to see the sport tires with lower pressures than recommended, that is likely how they would be ran at the track anyway due to the extra heat, when compared to street driving, causing higher peak pressures.
They usually get more tire pressure than on street to keep the sidewall up and steering responsive.
Scott throwing the thing at the curbs like it owes him money omg 😂
Great video!
I think that this will be a quick car for the money however it turns out.
While I predict it won't get anywhere near the Lambo, I reckon it'll be outstripping anything unmodded available for less than twice what they've spent.
I think one of the big advantage of the supercar is the surface contact between the tyres and the road, because they're super wide. There is a reason wide body kits exists and it's not for cosmetics. It's always impressive to see the difference between LeMans GT Porsches and stock Porsches.
You should have gone for wider wheels when you bought better tyres !
would have required wider rims, it really wouldn' thave made much of a difference as they're not going to be doing wide body stuff
If the wheels got wide enough, would it technically become an open wheeled car?
Ahahah Appletank8 it would need the inner part of the wheel to start outside the body ! But I think the definition of open wheel car is up to subject, as some people argue it should be single seater, or on the contrary some argue a KTM X-Bow is open wheel while it's still contained in the body.
And Pog Tuber, the whole point of my com was to get wider rims and wider tyres, and yes I expect it'd have made a lot of difference especially when they're happy with 3s gain with these thin wheels
That's a common misconception right here. Tire size is pretty much only for heat management, the contact patch doesn't change all that much after a certain point.
Aafaik the extra width is to spread the force+heat over more area, allowing the tyres to survive (a bit longer) the abuse of a powerful engine and hard braking. In a single lap a wider wheel might well suffer from being too hard to keep at ideal temps.
very entetaining and informative.
Love this! Can’t wait for the episode with a turbo conversion
Lesgoo! Ep4!
Roll bars and brakes are important at Curborough. Great series guys.
Will: Surely you can't be serious
Callum, probably...: I am serious, and don't call me Shirley
I love this series
I just tasted the track, it tastes fast 🤣
When I put grippy tyres on my old AMG it felt so much better round corners and under braking I wore them out in about three months just commuting to work and back but it cut my journey time quite substantially, down graded slightly after that because I have terrible impulse control. :D
Piggyback ecu vs stock would be an amazing test
Genuinely loved the sponsor, very fitting for the episode
Absolutely nailed it boys
This stuff is really nice to watch
Damn this little series is scratching an itch that I've had since the clarkson punched a producer 😅
Keep up the great work team!
Drill a big 4” hole out of the air filter housing and feed a 4” tube from the grill to the filter housing. Costs nowt if you can scrounge the tube ;)
A like and sub well deserved.
Looks like brakes should be next, looking forward to see the next episode!
I've just got back from Nurburgring for the first time, using AR-1s on the track...i can confirm they are awesome. For context i previously used Ad08R on track and daily Goodyear Eagle F1's asym 5 on my road wheels - Just found your channel -sub'd- i look forward to more. :)
When I used to auto X I was shocked at the difference tires would make. The proper set could make a difference of upto 4 seconds per run. (Avg run being about 80 seconds) it was so different that you'd had to drive the car in a completely different way. It was awesome. Best mod for any car.
Better brakes first. More power later :)
I'm sure that the grippier semi-slicks tires will allow for better brakes to be installed while keeping all for wheels in control.
I really want to see scott race this car on a track day against real super cars if its fast enough.
Can't wait for the turbo video 🙂
0:00 I had no idea tires were that heavy!
I was expecting that 5sp to split in two for the launches but it held, these WRX GG models need the KIEN gearbox support to hold launches.. it's also another good mod for peace of mind.
years ago I was skint, went for infinitys as cheap. First corner in the wet the lack of grip scared me so much I went back to the garage and maxed my credit card on some mid range kuhmos
Really hope you guys do what it takes to make the subie faster no matter if it's over budget. It's no fun when these challenges fail and we don't get to see what it actually takes keep up with the supercar/racecar
Content is coming on leaps and bonds 👏
Cool video and very interesting finding. However, with the freshly fresh tires it’s not gonna be the REAL performance these tires can go to. A retest after the running in on the UHPs and AR1s would be great. The AR1 especially gets SOOO much better after a like 200mi. A bit of scrubbing won’t do enough, IMHO
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Sway bars and strut braces next! No idea what the Subaru aftermarket prices are like or how stiff the chassis is from factory, but for my Volvo you'll have front and rear for €500. Before I installed sway bars I wasn't sure how much difference a thicker squiggly line under my car would make. It makes quite the difference! It doesn't mount the curbs as easily anymore, although that downside is overshadowed by the amount of grip you gain. Adding a strut brace allows you to get the most out of it. My Volvo was pretty flexible from factory, so again, no idea what it does for a Subaru.
I'm guessing the track used for the test is the Curborough Sprint Circuit near Lichfield.
The AR-1 is going to be my dry track day tyre of choice for my Elise S3. I have only heard good things about that tyre. I've got a set of Nankang NS-2Rs to try first as I've only just started doing track days, having done two so far and thhe NS-2R seems to be a good compromise if there is rain.
Well I'm struggling to see where another 6 seconds is in that unless you get real busy with the weight loss.
Power might get you something like a couple of seconds if you're lucky but really I think rubber is probably the most effective mod on that track.
Maybe chipping at it will add up but I think you're into smaller gains from here.
“I just tasted the track, it… It tastes fast😁”
-Scott
£8k is a lot of coin to play with.
Id stiffen the chassis with strut braces, bushes etc, big brake upgrade and dump all the interior- which won't cost anything. Those should get you closer!
Im really enjoying this series. Great job by all the crew involved.
Very nice series, as a Subaru fan i like it. Albeit I have not much faith in beating lambo without some serious tuning like water-methanol injection system. It gonna barely fit your budget restrictions but may be there are used ones somewhere on ebay. Maybe even stock pistons and rods&bearings even are able to handle additional 100kW for a couple dozen seconds. Good luck anyway guys!
Tires are going to be my next upgrade. My first autocross event in my Fiesta St I competed against 30 other drivers in Novice class, and finished 5th losing to a track prepped 99 Corvette, a Lotus Exige (they were by 3 seconds faster) and two Miata's on track tires that were .2 seconds faster than I was.
Meanwhile I was on 60 dollar generic Milestar all seasons.
very good you picked these tires i think because as you get more power power you will need even more grip and they will gain moren time than now
Ok. This, series got you my sub. More vids like this, and you will surpass those MAAAADDDD aussies :)
How cool is that mobile tyre service? Damn cool.
With those sparks, i can definitely see a break upgrade coming next.
I would love to see this comparison for a wet surface.