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Flashing The AMD RX 5700 Into a 5700XT - A Free Performance Upgrade?!
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- Today we're employing the old school technique of flashing a graphics card bios for extra performance. I've transformed my Radeon 5700 Into the 5700XT (sort of) out of pure curiosity, but does it make a difference?
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I imagine eBay now being flooded with bogus 5700 XTs
5700xt has different cooler, they dont look the same at all.
@@1hereticangel Would modding the standard card to make it look like an XT be worthwhile for the scammer? If so, then expect to see fake XT cards. Lol
@@semplew why? The non xt would be higher value for tinkerers, so the price would probably be about the same
@@1hereticangel the external shroud is different yes
but the internals are identical
Dell sold me a RX470 as an RX570 the same way. They just flashed the bios.
Your unknown PCI Devices were giving me anxiety.
Can I flash my Geforce 6200 128mb into a RTX 2080?
yeeee
Yeah, but make sure to download some ram or otherwise it won't work
I had a 6200 AGP (for my secondary rig in 2005) that did unlock to a 6600 and did overclock quite nicely.
of couse man
yes, because it just works
AMD wants to know your location
Over there
Being kicked down the M2 by an Amazon delivery driver!
I think he's in Fiji lol
Hiding inside a PC with a sticker that says Intel inside...
I really recommend undervolting it in wattman. I suggest only dropping the final voltage stage by 30 millivolts each time and then testing it with 4k superposition. I was able to get 1.030 volts stable on my 5700 reference, it dropped temps and made the card quieter
thats what i was going to say
scrolled down to say this
Too bad global wattman crashes my 5700 xt every time I open it.
So after flashing the XT bios, can you still undervolt it?
Some people manage 950mV at 1900Mhz.
I suggest getting the Nitro+ all the time, it's worth the price premium and you have decent chances of good bins.
I am still using my Vega56 until the 5800 comes maybe.
Basically 1080p gaming for years.
So you can just download more perfromance? NICE!
And also download a card killing bios. Lol
Thats how drivers work in general anyway lol.
Intel did have an unlockable cpu with a key needed to enable ht. Randomgaminghd has a video about it.
Dude literally downloaded $50
I'm most likely never gonna do this. But thank you for the knowledge!
True.
It's easy lol just flashed it yesterday
@@allyshaddad3123 is it totally safe ?
i did this to my 5700 red dragon. it worked after a forced flash and it's stable but i havent really tested any games cause i've been so busy. although synthetic benchmarks only got 2-4% improvements. that being said it did unlock the power limit to the XT power limit, meaning that even with a simple auto oc the card breaks through 2000mhz while keeping decent temps. Also important, powercolor cards lock the bios after you flash it once so no going back. That being said i still have the secondary original bios which is the 5700 silent profile if i ever need it. But the card is 100% stable even with huge OCs.
Can I downgrade my 5700XT to a 5700? so I can get some money back?
No
Yes
Maybe
Probably
Sure
A complete test must include a benchmark of the flashed card with an appropriate cooling system !
Because high temp cause downclocking.
This test is partial :/
Does the new BIOS fix the 1080p problem you had before?
The problem there was that he was using beta drivers. Not the BIOS.
Matt he had his refresh rate at 1080p on 600hz
Will that was also the reason the screen went black when he changed his resolution to 1080p in-game
@@rashafar7381 There is no such thing as 600hz ...
@Will 600hz isnt a thing
Did a very mild boost to 1900MHz. +8% perf gain. Could go higher but I feel this was the sweet spot for longevity.
Nice. I flashed my RX 570 to 5700 and further flashed the 5700 XT. Now I got an RTX8000. Thank you
Would be interesting to see the 5700 flashed vs a 5700xt since it doesn't have as many shaders just a higher clock speed I'd imagine the 5700xt still has the edge but by how much would be the really interesting bit.
The fun with flashing was actually that you xould unlock shaders because those were just disgarded 7970/290x cards. Even rx 460 can have some shaders unlocked as I had seen in a video.
I flashed my gt1030 into a gtx 1660ti, now i have a rtx 2080 thanks.
Would work nice for a low power card with aim of 60 fps,but this beast still punches through.
I was shocked with the change. My Msi Evoke gained an average of 3-400mhz. Night and day difference
Nice, hope it doesn’t cause any issues down the road.
Technically you can buy a 5700 and a liquid cooling shroud and get similar results as an XT
but with that price you would just buy 5700 xt right?
Generally you can OC the 5700 to stock 5700XT without needing any extra cooling. The bios flash saves you the time you would otherwise spend trying to get the max from an OC, but it's a lot more dangerous, so in my opinion either just OC or don't bother at all because honestly, the difference isn't worth ruining your card(if you don't know what you are doing).
This generation of Navi and Ryzen are so easily to OC tho, that literally anyone can do it. In fact people just need to look on the net for a bit and they will find the exact settings they need to get the most out of their GPU/CPU.
@@happybunnywabbit mate. That was the joke.
@@shivamvaid601 Didn't look like one.
@@MJ-uk6lu so a channel does an entire video on a similar pretext and that's a joke but this isn't? Woooooosh mate.
I flashed my vanilla RX5700 Pulse to XT. I was getting 7800 on 3D Mark Timespy with vanilla 5700 on Ryzen 3600. When flashed I initially got very little more as clocks stayed the same at 1750mhz. But with a bit of an overclock I got around 8300. It was getting hot and using over 200W at max, so I undervolted and it got cooler.
XTs are getting around 8600.
However, with the new Adrenalin 2020 driver and the flashed XT set to default settings it seems to overclock itself to over 1900mhz and only goes up to 180W !! It’s now scoring 8300 with no manual overclocking !! I only tried this this morning. It was starting to get a little hot but only 84 degrees. I’ll try and undervolt a little.
I suspect this could now be pushed up to a non-overclocked XT now by increasing the power, memory and core a little more and boosting the fans. Not going to push this though.
My pulse has dual Bios so one is set to Vanilla and the other to XT. Windows sees a switch as a new card so takes longer to boot first time if I switch between them though.
hey man, you think you could help me though this process??
@@todayfeelz5050 There are some good tutorials on CZcams. It was a long time ago, but I think I used this one. www.techpowerup.com/review/flashing-amd-radeon-rx-5700-with-xt-bios-performance-guide/
My car had the benefit of 2 ROMs which you can switch between, so if the flashing went wrong (which would be unusual unless you had a power outage of some sort), I could just switch back to another ROM.
Now thats what you call "Download more ram"
Interesting video, it’s good to see this kind of stuff online. But in the good old days when there weren’t a lot of people doing this stuff, Nvidia and ATI pretty much ignored it. Now it’s way tougher to do.
Whew, good to see someone else tried it too :)
Dang, I thought you could unlock more shader cores that way (like with 69xx, 79xx's, ect), but that's just a frequency buff, which can be done in pretty much any GPU OC software over there. =)
Ikr it's just more hassle to overclock ur card. He literally downloaded an overclock setting. Then there is the slim chance to brick ur $350 card... yea I'll stick to manually overclocking lol
@@forog1 Exactly!
Good stuff man! I'm glad this worked out for you!👍❤✌
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The average numbers seem a bit on the low side for a 5700xt, all the numbers do however seem in line with using the power play mod, so it seems you have found a way to make that permanent, that is quite amazing!
Great video, I used to run the hd7970 bios on my 7950 for higher overclocks/stock clocks worked pretty great
2000 IQ Marketing Idea:
1. Buy a rx 5700
2. Flash it to 5700 xt
3. Sell it for more money
4. Profit
Get caught, then get Flashed by Law Enforcement for a major life downgrading 😳
@@xdizzle0460 DON'T rinse your gpu
Their fans are not the same. Dumb people will buy it, but not with those who have knowledge
You are correct.
@greenismycolor you are correct
some board partner cards also have the advantage of dual BIOS (like Sapphire's Pulse variant and i think the Powercolor Red Dragon as well), so in case something goes wrong you should have an easy backup
As the owner of a 5700xt, my biggest worry is thermals, mine sounds like a rocket engine almost all the time. That may be because I have a fan curve on it meant to keep it at about 65C under load... I've been meaning to do the cooler mod where you replace the stock thermal pad with something better, but havn't gotten around to it.
It's nice to see a staple of AMD cards hasn't changed. It's always fun to mess around with them since they allow for this kind of stuff.
Thanks for another great vid and followed on twit!
Also if you didn't know around the :30 point there is some janky colors etc going on as well as some janky audio stutter around the 2:30 point.
I thought it was my new build for a sec as I see this kind of weird stuff pretty frequently. Fortunately, after checking another platform for viewing, I had the confidence to know it wasn't my end. WHEW!
The why of this is because they have the same number of ROP's, and they're the limitation. Just like with Vega. So the extra shaders that the 5700 XT has, do nothing to help it in gaming, and its only advantage comes from its higher clocks. That said, they will in compute/productivity related workloads.
Not completely true. On Navi there is alot more scaling with CUs compared to Vega or even Polaris.
To match a Rx 5700xt at 1750mhz (usually) you would need about 2150mhz on the Rx 5700.
czcams.com/video/RHRqKJhIYBU/video.html
@@gismo3564 By the looks of it, he's comparing target vs average clocks, and he didn't test his 5700 XT's actual average clocks. You can tell not only because he's just used the average clock by spec, but it doesn't vary from game to game, and because reviews had them at ~1.85GHz.
You don't need any specialised testing for it though. If you know how to look, it was obvious from AMD's internal benchmarks that they showed at E3. Then reviews pretty much made it clear.
@@Najvalsa I would have to disagree. I haven't seen any reviewer getting up to, or past an OC XT model. Even with PPT, bios switches or such. But feel free to show me any evidence, supporting your claim. Unfortunately not to many people have tested the scalability between the two models. They did, hard with the Polaris lineup though.
With both OC to 2100, the XT still keeps 5-10% lead.
czcams.com/video/MfXpbtRjQU8/video.html
You can however get it up to/passed a non overclocked XT model, but at a high power cost, in comparison.
@@gismo3564 www.computerbase.de/2019-07/radeon-rx-5700-xt-test/2/#abschnitt_die_tatsaechlichen_taktraten_unter_last
Average clock rate is a ~10% difference, and if you look at the performance difference between them you'll see that it's ~10% too. But because the 5700 XT has higher boost clocks, it ends up with a one or two percent lead.
On top of that, if you scale the perf/watt of the 5700 XT down (or 5700 up), you'll find that it doesn't draw any extra power as it would if its extra shaders were being used.
As far as OC vs OC, YMMV on that due to silicon lottery, but the 5700 XT is a better bin on average so will probably clock a little better.
@@Najvalsa it has nothing to do with silicon lottery, if both chips are achieving the same clockspeed. On both core and memory. And in the very limited test, where clockspeed and memory speed are near identical, the Rx 5700 still looses by 5-10%.
You show me no evidence what so ever to your claim. You show me two cards running at stock, with different clockspeed and your conclusion is that the difference is only down to clockspeed.
However after having seen tests with Rx 5700 having higher clockspeed than stock 5700xt and still not matching it, I still disagree with your claim. Unfortunately the link you send, brought nothing to the table in terms of scallibilty with Navi CUs.
I would have loved to be proven wrong, as it is a very much under represented area.
I don't think this is such a great deal, as they physically disable the XT's additional shaders & compute units. When you can get a (non-ref) XT for £360, that will happily boost into the 2ghz range (mine can hit 2180mhz without much effort but I think I got lucky). It does seem crazy the some vanilla 5700s are priced higher than many XTs
I downloaded a RTX 2080TI and now i get 30,000FPS on bin weevils
I downloaded an RTX 1080 Ti and I get 420,694,206,942,069 FPS. On Minesweeper, I run at a stable 15 fps.
YOU'RE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT THE GTX 2080 TI DOESNT EXIST
@@imethan4625 what
@@dean7589 this guy edited from GTX 2080 ti to rtx 2080 ti, because GTX 2080 ti doesn't exist
5:38
Yes, that's why I watch your stuff!
i must admit its the first example ive seen of flashing the 5700>5700xt, so kudos for bringing the first video
nice so same like my old 6950 that flashed perfectly fine to 6970 only has some issues afther extensive use i got it in 2012 and it was second hand so i took it apart afther it decides to run at 108c during gaming added some new thermal paste replaced the thermal pads aswel with new ones then tested it agian yet for some reason the memory still hits over 90c during load causing the fans to still go to max while the temps for the rest is around 74c compared to 108c i wil take it apart sometime in the future agian and look under the plate on the side aswel i think they put thermal pads under a inclosed section on the videocard chip aswel and the thermal pads gone bad just as the others were
also if someone likes free games epic game launcher just releashed the batman arkham collection 3 games for free in the store and if we got epic game launcher hatters get rekt no free game for you since you hate them so much that you dont even realise there is no point just get the damn 3 games stop complaining mew same as rockstar game launcher gives away gta san andreas for free
I seriously love your videos. You need more views
Flashing for winter time seems nice, free performance and heater
I'm curious, at 1:21 what are those unknown PCI devices? It's killing me
i think i know it, it's about pcie 4.0 because since i've got my r5 3600, i have this in my device manager, because my mobo (b450m gaming plus from msi) can't go above pcie 3.0
maybe a capture/sound card
Maybe its 2 birds trapped in his pc case.
@@chylihia7550 they wont show up if they are not there, check your motherboards website and download the drivers there to fix this issue
@@iMagic16 it's not really an ''issue'' and then if they won't show up if they are not there, explain me why I have this 2 pci device since I've got an r5 3600
Maybe you could do a video on buying an aftermarket cooler such as the Morpheus II for your GPU and seeing if that is a good investment. I've always wondered if it was worth doing that if GPU temps were not that great.
Well done mate
lol noobs....just download a new graphics card like i did
You just saved my life. I just downloaded an RX 570 4GB into my pc. Used to use a shitty old nvidia geforce 7050. Didn't know it would work.
Most of the other reviewer's undervolted it and temps went down with minimal performance drop. suggest you check that out, and tell us too.
Me: Buys a 5700 XT
CZcams algorithm after 3 months: *did you know you could’ve saved money by buying a 5700 and flashing it with a 5700 XT BIOS?*
How can I flash my intel hd 6000 into an Rtx 2080 ti?
throw $1000 at it
In the deep Web you can download the bios of the nvidia rtx 6000 to upgrade your voodoo 3000
your dp gave me anxiety
Way back when, with the 6950 and 6970. You could "unlock" the 6950, actually gaining the extra shaders.
Could make a cool video 👌.
This takes me back to the 9800 pro days as well since some people were able to flash 9800 pros into xt's. Also I would recommend getting a dual BIOS card that has a little black switch to be able to switch between BIOSes like the Sapphire cards for example because if the flash doesn't work then you can switch into the Working BIOS and fix the other by reflashing it.
It didn’t work for me. I even got the latest 2080ti bios and my gt730 won’t work
Did you try turning it on and off?
Lol
helenHTID It was a joke
If it aint broke you haven't pushed it far enough.
Nice video
I’v got the mai 5700 xt and 4K 60fps is no problem!
The last time i remember that AMD had left us the decision to flash the BIOS of the graphics card to "better specs" was back on the HD 6000 series days with the 6750 flashing to a 6770 bios, if my memory doesn't fail.
6950 to 6970 :)
@@Callagwhan That's right! I've forgot what exactly were the cards.
Flashing has become so easy! I remember my old days of nibitor & nvflash.. we had to do in bootable DOS. And the infamous blind flash if you messed up.
Do make a table for scores fps for better understanding.
Awesome video
Isn't the normal 5700 xt superposition score 5532 and an FPS score of 41? You must've got a really good card.
What a really nice video. Have all ingredients needed it's short have all explanations plus the benchmark.comparison 5 Stars For Me
If it only changes the clock speed you might as well just OC the card instead of bios flash
Danilo Nayev lol what are you talking about
I think this will be great if you get at least 10 fps over each game or if the fps is very close to the 5700xt if not is not worthy to operate the card at higher temps and power.
maybe you just win a silicon lottery my dude
Flashing 5700 bios on my 570.. 😇🔥
Can't you try to lower the voltage after flashing the card so it maintain about the same noise levels while still get to higher clockspeeds?
Maybe mount a aio-cooler to the gpu as well? And put a secondary fan over the VRMs?
Man, the sag on that GPU is nuts
did this to my reference 5700 and i can get clock speeds of 2130 without any voltage increase or decrease, and memory of either 930 or 940 not sure which. is this out of character for a reference 5700? but i will say that to run at those overclocks i need to force fan speed at 65ish percent to keep temps around 79 celsius. still, with just the flash and an auto undervolt it works great. free performance boost without the loud noise.
If thats true then I think you got a really good card. My 5700 flashed XT (also reference) with maxed powerlimit and voltage (1200mvs) I was only able to hit 2070Mhz. Even then, the efficiency was terrible, as it ate up 2x the amount of watts and the fans had to run at 75% to keep it running at barely 95°C.
Lucky you!
@@jackduals yeah, the auto overclock feature puts my card at 2130mhz and it is stable, the auto memory puts mine at like 930 or 40. stable, if i combine the 2 then i get a hell of a lot of performance, but i can really only have power limit at 30% with speeds that high
doom 2016 4k custom (everything turned up to max) i can get an avg of 60fps, the shadow of war benchmark at 4k ultra, highest clocks ive ran got me i believe 65-67 fps 4k ultra
its still not enough for metro exodus 4k ultra lmao, 1440p for me
@@silentplays9808 Probably why mine crashed left at Auto OC. Last I did, my card instantly crashed opening a game lmao.
Saw the post on insta, nice
lol same comment
Won't just overclocking to those speeds yield the same result?
I don't know the specifics, but the 5700 bios has some artificial limitations for OCing.
What game did he play?
Use Hyper 212 Evo & some after market small heatsinks for VRM & GDDR6. Remember to sat air flow front to back side of GPU. Then see the Magic.
Now you have a reason to mod the cooler!
I flashed mine a few months back not had any problems at all so far
I think the more important reasoning for buying an alternative card for this procedure is a dual bios. Will save yah a lot of hassle if something goes wrong.
No way this is the next HD6950.
edit: nope the extra bits aren't enabled. Good test though
gtx 1050ti to gtx 1080ti
work?
Yes you can gtx 750 to rtx 2080ti :) so it should work
no
@@samppw get a sense of sarcasm plz
Just flashed my intel HD 520 to rtx 3090 and got 10x more performance
Can you do this with nvidia cards ? Like flashing a 1060 6gb to think it's a 980ti or a 1070 or 1660 ti?
Nope
Can I flash a 5700xt to a 5800 ?
Interresting video
Ah yes you're a man of rallycross I see. I love my 207 S1600 by the way😁😁
Wood Ant c2 VTS over here, taking it onto the track soon I can’t wait
@@jmp00 very nice👍👍lydden maybe??
Now slap a watercooler on that pupper and watch the clockspeed ramp up
Although your getting better performance but 5700 has 36 compute units while the 5700xt has 40 compute units and not just clock speed difference.
DAMN $400 for a card is nuts
But isn't it easier and less risky to overclock it yourself rather than downloading the BIOS in case you don't want to brick it?
How?
Ah brings back memories of shader unlocking my 6950 to 6970,btw what's that game at the start of the vid? 😊
The game is Rage 2
Slap a Kraken G12 bracket on it and unleash the beast!!
can u do same thing with rx550? (like u change bios to rx560 or something like that)
I doubt it but i do know that you can flash the rx 480 into a 580 since their almost the same
Not the 550, as I think the architecture was different to the rest of the series. I think you were able to go from rx 480 to rx 580 and 480/580 4gb to 8gb (and possibly 470/570 but not sure)
@@justsam2206 Can I Flash My Rx 580 Into Rx 590 ?
@@piomars6607 I wouldn't know about that
a quick google search should give you an answer
@@justsam2206 Ok Thanks Bro
The video I was expecting
That's pretty darn cool, if I were to ever own a card that could do this I'd do it in a heart beat along with cooling mods. Also, I heard that the 5700/xt runs games poorly at 1080p compared to higher resolutions, what's up with that?
Robin Rai it doesn’t?
@@OmarKillzHackz Saw a post on r/amd with lots of folks getting alot better framerates at higher resolutions like 1440p over 1080p
Successful and Thank you!
finozzi br95 certo che funziona, basta che hai un ottimo airflow
Curious to know if the 5700 xt will bios flash to the RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition
I know this is an older video but i still suggest you, as you use it till now to undervolt your gpu.. if you doo not oc it of course.. you can save some watts and degrees celsius
Nice
I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention...so did it work, any improvements over the older BIOS?
yes. About 5 fps for 17°C and a louder card
@@Someone-ci8wf Ahhh...thanks someone!
Can I flash my computer to have rgb?
Oh yes you can. But don't download too much like i just did. My eyes hurt from those hundreds of rgb
Overclocking on amd cpu’s you don't see the best gains but something like an 8700k going from an all core of 4.3ghz to 5.1ghz is a big performance bump. I tend to oc cpu’s more than gpu’s, and with amd its usually an undervolt. I run my xt with a 1050mv undervolt for my best performance and 972mv for best temps and acoustics. But I took my xt out and put the radeon vii back in with my 3900x. And my other main build is a 8700k and strix 2080ti oc. I do like amd but I still prefer Intel/nvidia I've had way less trouble with that combination. Hell everytime I mess with fan curve in wattman with either xt or radeon vii my PC hard locks. And I've got black screens, stuttering and other problems more so with the xt than the vii. I've just seem to have better luck with nvidia than amd when it comes to gpu’s, and I have a pretty good collection of gpu’s. I would say I have about 30 right now going back to the 8800gt. I don't have as many cpu’s maybe 11 or so going back to q9550.
Very nice.
Hey, what game are you playing in the background? (at the beginning and at the end of the video)
That'd be Rage 2 my dude