(910) World's Toughest Motorcycle Lock
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Bill, I am retired from FDNY (New York City Fire Departmemt) I was in a ladder company and we forced entry into some formidable locks during my career. For a padlock we use a tool called a duck bill lock breaker and a maul. if done right you can break most padlocks with a few blows. if we encounter a lot of locks or the American series 2000 (hockey puck locks) the preferred tool is a Partner K12 portable saw with an aluminum oxide disk. They cut thru padlocks and chain like butter. Our nemesis is the Fox style locks. We usually cut a hole in the door large enough to reach through and unlock from the inside. We will not be denied. we get in eventually one way or another.
Why don't you just use a grinder to the hinges of a door. That's what firemen do here.
Congratulations on your "most fucking obvious troll" award. Would you like a cookie, a medal, or a free ban from the OP?
Depends on which way the door swings.
If they've gone to the trouble of installing a high quality lock I'd guess they also has installed protected hinges and/or security bolts in the back of the door.
Embarrassingly often the door frame or the way it's installed ends up being the weak spot. That or the thieves ends up smashing a hole in the wall beside that nice security door...
Blahorga Slisk You'd think that yes. Many people seem to think that a high security lock is all you need. In many cases you see a huge, expensive Abloy padlock in a cast iron hasp protecting a wood door.
The locksmith who trained me used to say "Locks do nothing but buy you time and noise. The better the lock, the more time and noise needed to get past it. That's it. NO lock is unbeatable."
"I've been working on one for a little over a year and have not been able to pick it"
LockPickingLawyer: "Hold my beer."
"Hold my Ramset."
Wonder if he has picked this lock
Went back to one of the first videos I watched from you to tell you Thank you for all the videos you have provided, knowledge, comfort in watching your videos over the years for me. You started my hobby with lock picking, I bought tools you suggested and have had a lot of fun over the years showing friends how simple their locks on their expensive toys are. Thank You. Enjoy your retirement!
As someone who works with Brinell Hardness Numbers every day, a number of 63 would actually be extremely soft.For example, mild steel usually comes in with a 145-179 BHN, roughly. Now a Rockwell harness of 63, on the other hand, would be extremely hard, and is likely the word you are looking for. :)
The chain is 750 Brinell hardness.
Probably meant the c scale not brinell
@@gregolson1824 Yep. most likely RHC
This lock system is tougher than anything its going to be attached to
Gym leaders be using this to keep you out!
So pretty useless then .
No match to a Ramset pops it open in seconds
Love the casual discouragement
"and find some way to stop them from stealing your bike" *pulls out 9mm handgun* đđđ
Wouldn't you?
@@usernamemykel yes
When he did that I thought, "Then we are in agreement."
Firearms are not legal to protect property. Only human life. Exceptions are made for gov't and certain companies.
@@firesurfer With what bill knows, I'm sure hes in good with the right people.
In the UK we see loads of Assa Twin Combi locks. As a warrant Locksmith I've never had that issue drilling them out. Jam the anti drill disc from moving. I use a Souber 5mm bit with a cordless drill it cuts right through it even hardened pins your RPM was way too high as well your melting the tip. You where using a grinding bit and not a 1mm cutting disc.. a cutting disc cuts through it like butter.
"These drill bits are expensive"
*holds a bag up*
Just because I buy them in bulk doesn't negate the accuracy of my statement...đ
Is there a chance you can do a video on other ways of B & E? Like crowbars, hooligan tools etc. One I saw (TV show) was the use of a small crowbar used in the frame of a door to bypass everything and get inside quickly and quietly.
Done. czcams.com/video/WckF2GB_2iQ/video.html
That is a bad ass lock and chain. Definitely a must have if you're parking your nice motorcycle in a high theft area and certainly not a bad idea in any other situation either. $350 is A LOT for a lock and chain but, considering the alternative.......pretty worth it.
$90 for that lock and chain, but with the standard key.
Well, my deductible on my last stolen bike was $500.00... In my math, I'll be ahead $150.00.
This was my first video from you, bill, and it really helped me not only choose security for my life, but also a new hobby. Thank you so much for all the knowledge, and I hope your time with friends and family bring you all the happiness you deserve.
*Wins contest, receives box of worn drill bits and pieces of lock* lol
I think it would be easier just to go out and BUY a motorcycle! đ”đ”
Besides you don't have to make it impossible, just harder than the next bike over.
pfistor Precisely!
@Prakash Arun Go ahead, blow up an explosive in the middle of a city, see how many will notice. See how many 911 calls you can cause. See how many laws you can break.
Or go and make money then buy it, with a new lock.
I bet the neighbors love this guy, lmao this is freaking amazing. I love CZcams.
I am so glad Bosnianbill sent me here! He said you were "the best" the chosen one, and I agree. very thorough and determined! And we aren't even speaking on your picking talent yet. Keep up the good work brother
Use a cutoff wheel instead of a grinding wheel.. half the time.
or even better: a 1mm slitting disk
I use thin cut off wheels... would have cut through that like butter!
@@henryokeeffe5835 Battery angle grinder and 1mm disk =1 minute and no vice needed.
Agreed. A 5" zip cut in a 24 volt angle grinder. Fast and relatively quiet compared to a 110 volt unit.
most bike thief's in the UK just use a battery angle grinder now, you can get them from ÂŁ30 for an off brand. yes they will be brazen and do it in broad daylight when people are walking by.
people seriously dont understand how dangerous and difficult it is to cut a chain lying on the floor with a grinder. basically, youre trying to cut through a snake, with a butterknife. the vise helps a LOT
Did you try biting it??
007 Jaws style.
BAHAHAHAHAHA
(For new viewers, Bill has been known to bite things to see if they're metal/plastic)
(And also to see if metal is copper or steel alloys).
The lock will break...đđđđ
Or peeing on it. I know there is some other certain lock vulnerable to that kind of attack. ;)
I work for a delivery company in New York city. I have that lock and chain 2 years ago I caught a person trying to take my bike I made sure that if we see that Lock & Chain again he would not mess with that bike.This one of the best Lock & Chain to have
Portable hho torch and double up some welding sheets to hide the light.
No noise, no light, very fast depending on the power density of the batteries you use to make the gas.
There isn't a lock or chai on the planet that would come close to slowing it down, it makes oxy acetylene torches look like candles.
What's most fascinating about the gas is it's somehow self regulating in the temperature it puts out depending on the material it's going through.
Very cool demonstration Bill no pun intended.
Can there be someone more gifted than LockpickingLawyer?
Yes... Chessguy XD
You also have huxleypig who is IMMENSELY skilled at defeating disc detainer locks (the man picked the protec II, however he hid the tool he used to do so for obvious reasons)
Lpl is very good but hes not the best
I wonder who the most successful locking picking thief is.
@@adamlynch9153 The one that doesn't get caught
@@adamlynch9153 The IRS and no-knock police search teams.
Great video Bill. And I hope you don't mind me mentioning that, those are "ball nose" (or bull nose), slot drills, rather than end-mills. We use them at the precision engineering company where I work. An end-mill and a regular slot drill will have square sharp corners.
That was a great video. Thank you for going to all of that effort and sharing your findings with us.
Patience of a saint Bill. After reading all the amazing wisdom of the armchair experts in this comment thread, I feel the need to go get destructive on something too...now I know why you drop the odd âletâs break stuffâ videos in the mix.
I use a cordless dewalt angle grinder all the time fitted with a thin 1\8" stainless steel cutting disc ! It would cut through that chain link in
20 seconds ! Sure it would wear down to nothing in that time but very little (lighting up)
Please do it and video it and post it. I would like to see that. I'm not dissing you. I'm really interested in this kind of stuff.
"I'm even wearing underwear!" - Quote of the year
"Walk out there and find some way to discourage whatever he's trying to do to your motorcycle" haha 2:05
Im impressed with that lock... Even considering for my bike!
Very impressive worth every cent!
Bill there is such a thing as a cut off wheel like forty thousandths maybe you should try that next time nice fine cut
Doesn't fix the noise and light problem though. Plus those like to come apart if you push on them as hard as Bill was pushing on the wheel in the video. The only feasible way to defeat this would be to destroy whatever the bike is chained to, take the whole kit, and work on it in your own time. Of course, if you have the resources to do that, there are much better things to do with them than steal 1 motorcycle.
+bigj231 I was thinking the same thing - just destroy whatever the chain is wrapped around. In all likelihood, it is far less resilient than the chain and lock...
You don't have to push as hard, since it cuts better, and faster, though still loudly.
@ rob hanson unless it is the bike or valuable item ;-) oops lol
As far as I can see he's actually using a grinding wheel, which is not designed for cutting, but edge smoothing and - well, grinding. For cutting you use cut-off wheels, which are 1/10 of that thickness. Seems to work though.
I've heard that depending on where you do it if you put on a hard hat, set up a couple cones, and wear a high visibility jacket and steel toed work boots people will assume you're supposed to be there when you pull out the grinder, extra points if you have a white work van next to you. Obviously the kind of petty criminal who will steal a bike won't generally bother with that kind of thing, but it's still a thing.
true, same counts for car stealing criminals dressing up as mechanics from a garage picking the car up in daylight or dressed up as authorities picking the car up under the name of faulty parking of something of this kind. goes for lamborgini's en ferrari's etc..
@-.- Cat That's actually pretty smart.
I've never seen this one of those locks.. Holy cow. That a no BS lock. I want like 50 of them.
I've used a cordless dremel with much smaller carbide bits to carefully mill the core out while avoiding the pins, this was in a real world scenario when the lock had been vandalised and blocked with epoxy. The lock had similar anti drill features. Interestingly I just wore hi viz and nobody passing by queried what I was doing.
Hi-viz will get you just about anywhere and will let you get away with just about anything.
Can't wait to hear more about this prototype grinder-resistant chain!
Brinell (HB) 63 is super soft...
Maybe you mean Rockwell C (HRC) 63.... which is something like HB 700.
Sorry, you are 100% right. Rockwell was in my notes but I said "Brinell". My bad.
Cordless grinders are getting better and better. Besides, if anyone tries to stop you, you're the crazy guy with the grinder at 2am
Over 3 years later and I'm still using this. I love it!
What is it called?
2:10 just earned you a subscriber, been binge watching a few of your vidjas lately and quit enjoy them
12:06 might as well be an Olympic athlete with all the skating that bit is doing.
Real world this lock isnât going to give it up. Need a vise, big grinders lot of time and a place where you can make a lot of noise and sparks. Certainly no place like that in any city setting. Nice to see a lock that WORKS.
I love you Bosnianbill. Thanks so much for all your efforts. This lock is clearly a winner.. Thanks.
I'm thinking this would be a good lock to secure front and rear doors of a narrowboat. right?
"Discourage" whatever he's trying to do. I did laugh out loud!
Dude... How many racing drones do you have?
I personally would drop a masonry nail in the keyway to try to stop that curtain from spinning. However if I thought I was in for that much work I would propably cut the bike instead
I think that if the chain and lock are attached to a motorbike, the criminal would leave what ever it is attached too and take the rest of the bike XD. awesome video. who knew 20 minutes of picking a lock could be fun to watch. keep it up man. subscribed :) dont ever loose the key if you win that lock.
Imagine losing keys to this with it attached to your motor bike xD
Holy Makarel, no kidding!
Better make a few extra keys and keep one at home, one with a trusted friend or family member, one at work, etc. Or you can have it carried to a shop that has an industrial grinder. Shop might want proof of ownership, so keep it handy.
11:34 "I'm even wearing underwear"??đ€Łđđ€Łđ±
Whoever designed this core must have really had it in for some locksmith.
I'd hate to lose the key for this!
Great Video Bill! One of the best locks for the money for sure! Wayne is a great guy and really knows his stuff!
Thanks!
is it that good even with the stock core?
@billblackeye he said the stock insides are marshmallow.
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When grinding through a lock and chain combo why not go for the shackle instead of the chain? Or is that an even slower proposition because of the locking system being on both side of the shackle and not just the one?
In order to be able to pic this cylinder, you must have access to an ASSA blank with that side bar combination. If you are lucky enough to have a blank, the blank must be cut down to just above the side bar cuts on the blade. You are turning the blank into your turning wrench. Happy picking at that point.
I hadnât realized you flew Fpv.... very good.
I approve of your methods of discouragement
I think there should be a remote tazer
Send it to the Hydraulic Press Guy!
For some reason, it makes me crack up laughing at 14:37 as the camera shakes around, followed by Bill saying something unintelligible over the drill noise, and then the drill malfunctioning and Bill going "Whoa."
bad news bill in our town they walk around and cut them in broad day light with the grinder, fastest way to open any lock if you can prove its yours is my friends oxy and acetylene, they will go through that lock or chain in about 20 secs
do know what a cut off wheel is for an angle grinder?
Yeah it shocked me that he used a grinding wheel instead of a cutting disc.
Cutting disc is probably easier to snap though.
RusticSpoon
Grinding wheels are for grinding (using the face of the wheel, that's why they're thick, if you use the edge they're prone to failure), cutting wheels are used for cutting (on the edge of the disc) and are thinner
yeah that's a grinding wheel! cut off wheel make mince meat out of that
+Simon J Fortunately you will have plenty of time to catch them while they are setting up their extension cord and grinder.
You are using a grinding blade on yr 6inch grinder also... not a cutting blade. Not sure why. Fair bit slower.
more than a fair bit also it would be 10x longer on a loose ish chain with a grinding pad as thick as that {massive vibration)
Thanks Bill for another great video. I have never tried to pick a lock, had the need, nor will ever try but I find your videos fascinating. As for the comments, some of them are...um...interesting.
I own a self-storage facility with 260 units. I also have a lot of old customers who lose keys a lot, so I'm forever cutting locks off. Most are Chinese locks and don't stand a chance with the huge bolt cutters, but the German disc locks made me go out and get a battery-powered DeWalt grinder with a cutoff (not grinding) wheel. It will go through the widest part of a mill bastard file in about 12 seconds. Yes, still a spark signature, but most people hesitate to call 9-1-1. I'll bet I could defeat that chain or hasp before the operator finished saying, "9-1-1. What's your emergency?" :-)
I just saw a Ramset to the side of this lock defeat it with 1 shot!
Yeah, the locksmithlawyer killed it in seconds.
@@barondugger lockpickinglawyer
Why don't you guys go over to his channel then? He's an azzhole... Ya thrives are walking around with goddamn 1000$ Ramsets now... You know how loud a ramset is? So of people saying lockpicking lawyer this and that...
@@MrSocko-vn7fw It's pretty weird to watch Bosnian Bill and then hate against LockpickingLawyer. They often work together and seem to be buddies.
@@dernils6176 I don't hate against him. Just sick of everyone bringing him up everywhere.
try a bucket full of thermite!
I was looking to see if someone else said it before I posted, lol.
I built couple locks like shown in the video, but with Schlage primus core instead of ASSA and with 50mm Stanley instead of 60mm. When Bill started drilling, I started laughing...
+Lemtil whatever it wants to.
No need for thermite just a map torch to mess up the heat treatment of the chain and bolt cutters to cut the either now too soft or too brittle steel
The two reasons why thermite wins: 1. It burns at 4000 degrees and melts everything in its way, including rocks. 2. Its fast. Hence low signature.
I didn't read all the comments so I'm sorry if I'm repeating. If when cutting with a 4 " angle grinder you try using a 4" Ă 1/16" you will cut through in less than 1/4 of the time. Thanks for all the videos they're very well done and much appreciated, your very talented. Don't tell my wife but I think I might have a man crush.
In high school I proved a good body shop guy that went to a life of crime is all a theif needs. I welded some pull pins on to the retaining screw you ground off at the end. Then a couple hits with a slide hammer and it was done. The core came out. Did it on about a dozen locks to teach the welding technique. All the gear needed could fit in a backpack (heavy but fit).
why don't you drill the screw that you grinded off on the corner of the lock at the end see if that's faster that way you don't make noise with the grinder
As a Fireman I would like to see what effect Hurst tools(jaws of life) could do with the lock and chain.
I actually won this lock and chain and now you got me curious so since I have some firefighter friends I'm going to see what they can do to a link and film it.
Captain Moore any luck?
I believe you'd cut a lot faster using a thinner disc. One thing I noticed cutting up some steel roofing in order to be able to transport it to recycle station without having to rent bigger car and trailer. It was faster with the cheaper thinner discs. Might wear discs a little faster as well but if you're up to cutting a chain I'm sure you don't care as one disc is more than enough to make two cuts in chain/shackle or one in the lock to get the hardened anti drill plate out.
I love your videos Bill. Very hypnotic and skillfull
how to recognize a tough lock? Bosnian bill the throws the drill to the side and get's the grinder.
those are HSS mills? a tungsten carbide end mill would have not dulled like that.
A carbide tool is way too brittle to be used in a hand tool though.
+Jesper Johansson ARTU makes a sharp carbide tip drill bit that would work fine in a hand held drill, not an end mill but plenty durable
+James Savage we stock carbide tipped drill bits in the factory I work at as a mechanic. They suck. The second you snag on something the carbide tip tears out of the end. As soon as he hit one of those pins the bit would have been destroyed.
zachariah liles
what rpm you running them?
if i recall carbide requires a fast speed drill
+James Savage It doesn't matter what rpm you run them at, whether it's the suggested speed or slower. As long as you're running then through solid metal they're ok, but as soon as there's a gap or any kind of obstruction they snap off. Black oxide, HSS or TiN coated are the better choice for something like that. And those solid steel pins are a perfect example of an obstruction.
Thank you for both your knowledge and humor, and enjoy your retirement.
+BosnianBill After watching this a second time I had a thought, Use an extractor bit on the holding nub for the plate. Because of the way the screw screws into that nub, the extractor will reverse it, letting you pull the core much quicker and much easier. Can be done with a normal 12v drill, and would take about 30 seconds to do.
Also like the Pistol! When you see the sparks fly......... dogs and guns might be near by.........
Would you go with this stanley over a abloy or other high end padlock that you said were unpickable?
In terms of unpickability (is that a word?), you couldn't differentiate between the two.
bosnianbill and do the abloys stand up in sheer durability?
Of course they do, they're renowned for being very secure and reliable locks
ColdSake00 I have both this lock (with a Primus Core) and an Abloy 350. The Abloy is a beast (but lacks the shrouded shackle). But, it is bigger, heavier, and announces to the world that there is expensive stuff inside. The Stanley looks like a ânormalâ lock and doesnât attract much attention. I use it to protect my trailer.
Bill, enjoyed your video, good presentation with humor, informative.
I laughed, I cried; I rolled on the floor! Stanley Padlocks seem to always be on closeout... but in only two sizes. Not the same product sold by Stanley-Best; this was a consumer line. Availability will be rather spotty, or on closeouts where 10,000 of them are all keyed alike. The standard blank is a long necked version of a 101C Schlage. The Assa cylinder, as well as Medeco3, Abloy ProTec2 and MultiLock MT group locks do improve any padlock hugely. But you need a model that is made to take a commercial door lock cylinder as does the odd Stanley one you demonstrated. Master and American have a number of shielded and standard extra heavy duty models as well.
Hes even wearing underwear, what a truly momentus occasion
I like your Smith with the stippled grip
looked like a kahr.
Bill,the grinder disc you were using in the video is not for cutting but for grinding,cutting disc is almost 4 times thinner then that one and i am sure that it would cut a lot faster.
Appreciate your effort in making this awesome video, cheers man
god, that is ALOT of money in drill bits.
Yep, even 2 years later I STILL feel the sting...
the "signature" wouldnt be quite as impressive with a thinner cutting wheel
Either way you've officially thrown any and all subtlty to the wind
Get a U-lock that is at least 18mm thick like the Kryptonite fahgettaboudit mini, this lock cannot be removed with a bolt cutter, but the other most important thing is an alarm that can TEXT you when the bike is disturbed so that you can get to it before anything can happen, time is the most critical factor.
Really enjoying the channel! Thank you for all the great content...God bless
"And I am gonna beat the be-Jesus out of this"
~bosnianbill 2016
why not try a cutting blade instead of a grinding. much faster cuts
+simontay1984 Nope there are cutting blade with iconell that will do the job
could always use a bonded cut of wheel that doesn't get blunt tho right?
Yes, some cutting blades are only 1mm (0.040") thick - which is maybe only 15% of the thickness of the disc shown here. They go through metal massively faster than the thick disc used in this video - even on a lightweight & quieter battery powered grinder.
A zip cut will go thru anything even carbide lol in 10 second
It was plenty quick already. The problem with thinner disks is that theyâre also more fragile.
keep finding myself here. I love the breakdowns.
I watched this.. the thought occurred to me I would have jammed a coat hanger rod at a bent angle to prevent the little cover from spinning then drilled a small hole đł
So basically, if you own a bike with this lock on it as long as you avoid parking it in desert like places with an electricity supply and a resident motorcycle thief with a death wish, you should be fine.
they make cordless grinders and portable torches but besides that yes. See here tricountylocksmithservice.com/security-products/index.html
Wayne Winton
Nice Wayne, thanks bud.
Np. I test the products I use before choosing to recommend them. I find the best then make the recommendation
OhNoNotMyPenis
yeah but be fair. We are talking about thieves who have some sanity.
narhh. 2 seconds to open this lock with the correct tool
Love you Discouragement Tool! That will "Slow" them Down!
As a welder and then I in C technician in a power plant we have very exotic alloys for our boilers and turbines try a plasma cutter or a small box acetylene cutting torch think that would be a better way and less sweat
hey Bill love your videos. liked the example of sparks at night. Yes so a die grider defeats anything. Would like to see how the chain and lock would have done in a real world, no vice test.
what's the prototype chain made of?
Metal.......
smart and here i thought you wanted to be clever and use painted dogshit
Probably some kind of hardened steel if not a good iron.
MrLastlived was hoping on some rarer metal. but ordinary hardened steel it probably is.
Wayne Winton do you have any idea how many metals there are
Discourage him... honestly. I laughed so hard!
lol 'discourage' been watching various locksmiths security videos for hours. lots of good technical information but that got my first laugh.
This looks like a job for the core puller
weird question but could you use an induction type tool to melt it without making any loud sounds?
Probably not induction. I suppose it is POSSIBLE to hit it with a high enough frequency to melt.... say with a laser. But that would take an incredible amount of electrical power... Whaddaya say we stick to PRACTICAL attacks rather than theoretical ones?
+bosnianbill why not induction? I don't think it's a theoretical approach since people are using them to melt metal very fast and efficiently? genuinely interested
Give it a shot and let me know how it works out. Locks are cheap but induction melting technology isn't. James, you will STILL need a buttload of power - where are you going to get it? You going to drag a 25kw generator along so you can melt locks?
+bosnianbill 25 kw? People are making these with lipo batteries on a small scale. I'm sure you can find a different way to make it work woth out having to haul a car size generator with you. plus if your stealing motorcycles eventually it will pay its self off:)
Actually it is not that expensive to make a DIY induction heater. There are schematics available, and the parts are a few dollars from Digi-key.
But an even more "practical approach" is to take a car battery, two 2 AWG copper cables with battery terminal ends, and 2 welding rod holders to make a melting device where you put the two welding rod holders close together on a lock shackle, which will turn it white hot and melt it away at that spot where the two rod holders on are connected at on the shackle.
when you pull a gun so casually it makes it all the more discouraging
Discourage LOL! Love it
I would like to say, that is not a grinder for efficiently cutting.
I cut metal for a living and a super thin cut of style blade will work faster, quieter and with less of a signiture. Still loud, but in a rural area, I see a real threat there. Still. Very solid lock and chain