(1368) Trapped by Dark Arts Lock Picking
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 30. 09. 2018
- Another TRAP lock, these seem to be rolling in now. In this one I get trapped by a challenge lock from Dark Arts Lock Picking. REALLY nice work on both the pins AND the trap cuts in the core.
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I designed those tension wrenchs so they are perfect for light tension. I'm glad you like them Mr Bill. Thank you so much for attempting my Sherlock inspired locks. I have been waiting for this video đ. Thank you so much sir. I did say no pin in pins this time đ. I was so worried that you might have used your expensive pick on these locks. Till next time. Stay safe mate đđđđ€đ€đ€đ»
Awesome work brotherđđ” nicely made pins and wicked core work.
Dark Arts Lock Picking That Was An Absolutely Beautiful & A Very Very Functional Designs! Truly Brilliant!!
Zenmasterme thank you mate đđđđ€đ€đ€
And im sorry I didn't know you would have a trap lock before mine sir. And I forgot to mention all the pins I use in all my challenge locks are home made pins. đ
@@DarkArtsLockPicking great job Bruv well doneđđđđđââ
engraving could be sherlock's pipe
peter it was meant to be but I can't engrave to save my life lol. đ đđđđ€đ€đ€
I could see it was a pipe straight away...... a one off! :)
Looks fine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
Bill was obviously making a joke
z4zuse the pipe that is famous for Sherlock Holmes is a calabash pipe.
"...and that's my plan from now on"
So we need to use a hardened steel trap pin. Good to know.
bill's hatred of trap locks increases
@0:56 Elementary my dear Watson! Itâs a pipe!!!
Zenmasterme I literally said almost exactly the same thing. Should have read the thread before commenting đ€Šđ»ââïž
What is this witchcraft!?!! 13:31 Bill reaches off screen right and his hand appears at the left of the screen!
Bill, using sorcery to open locks is cheating.
Kudos to your level of patience, sir. Also, I had an "aha" moment when I realized the fit of the ToK tension allows for better control when dealing with serrations and the like. Thanks Bill.
I don't think those qualify as trap pins, just really deep undercutting. More likely the ball just got jammed when Bill tried to force the open after the deep false set. Trap pins generally render the lock unusable once they fall in. Good call on giving him a Paclock.
Another excellent lesson !! Even though Bill you don't like any kind of traps, it is very important for us the viewers to know about their existance and how they work !!
A steamy worm lol!!! Don't give away your age there Bill, it's most definitely a tobacco pipe. I love your work on here, it makes me want to be a locksmith!
11:35 tink tink tink tink tink thump!....Bill you're lucky thats such a tiny hammer!
Nice try Bill đ was wondering when we would see this vid đ
He sure does know how to make an awesome limited edition set of tensioners.
I'm totally against the t-pin/wafer type trap locks being sent in as challenge locks, but seeing as how both of those pins could have been reset by turning the core the other way with a little more torque, I'm gonna say this lock was legit. I think if this is how people have to beat Bill then it is definitely an acknowledgement of his talent.
Bunch of cheaters lol
While it at first seemed like a trap, after watching the gutting, I donât see anything that would cause me to call it a trap lock. Maybe temporarily captured, seriously bound...stuck... seems like it could have been picked back to fully locked position and then opened with the key or just reset for another picking attempt. Hindsight is 20/20 though and I probably would have taken it apart, too - only to discover I should have been more patient. Looks like a fun tough lock to try. Dark Arts Lockpicking did a great job and those tensioners look awesome.
That's what I think too. Well said mate
Completely agree, Fast Charlie. To me, a true Trap Lock is one that you have zero chance of recovering from once the trap is sprung. It looks to me like this one can be recovered from if you're not 200LB Gorilla'ing the tension and jam it up.
Dark Arts, you are an amazing craftsman... those pins look like they came from a factory! So much so that Bill even declared one as such! I really like your CZcams channel, too, btw. Two minutes into the first video of yours that I watched I knew you were/are a hell of a nice guy. And I immediately knew that was a pipe engraving, and a very well done one at that. And don't even get me started on those tension wrenches! Just beautiful.
Just curious...but are pins 1 & 4 really considered "trap pins", or did one (or both) just get unexpectedly wedged in the slot due to a milling defect? I guess I thought traps had to be released by disassembling the lock. I believe these pins should have allowed the core to reset. Oh well, it looks like I'll have to scrap one of the challenge locks I made for Bill.
so bill, i wanna thank you. ive been watching your videos for awhile now and i really like them. the other day i learned how to use a city rake properly from your lock attack video. then after 5 opens of a master lock my cheap pick broke in half. i watched your make a pick videos, i have made my own picks before from hacksaw blades but was super unhappy. but the metal choice video gave me an idea. i took the main bar from a bosch flex windsheild wiper and made 4 picks based on the rakes you carry using your attack a lock video. i copied them by pausing and screenshotting the awesome profile shots of the picks you included. the snake rake i made will open the master i have in a few seconds most times now, its like a perfect pic lol. thanks a ton for the vids and keep up the great work!
I respect your honesty
Nice work Dark Arts! Well crafted and thought out! As much as I don't like to see Bill irritated, it does make me feel better that I'm not alone in my tendency to turn to destructive methods on an obstacle ticking me off! Thanks for the video Bill!
Elementary my dear Watson. The pipe is a nice touch. :-)
1st YES! Amazing picking & traps creativity on both ends, great job on both which makes watching this twice as good!
Who goes on a video and posts "first" when there is already dozens of comments? Weird.
other side
My Bad!
It was a 1st âLikeâ only...
Well done bill my friend Dark Arts made very nice lock i have a set the tension wrenches as there limited to 9 setsđđđđđâââ
Hey Bill,
Just my 2 cents, but I don't think that was designed to be a trap lock. If I remember right, I think you've picked a challenge lock like this before, and the slots were just to give that obnoxious false set. I think it getting stuck was just an oops in the modifications. I get where you're coming from about locks designed like this, but I think you should make a bit of a distinction on the traps. If it's something like this that was intended to be able to get out of the trap with it still in the vice, then it's just a deceptive open. But if it's designed to be able to not be backed out of that insane false set with a tension wrench, then it's a trap and yeah, no soup for you.
That grooved set up reminds me of the old Emhart interlocking pins, and how the core was grooved to accommodate them.
I don't pick myself, I've just found myself fascinated with Bill's videos, but I kind of agree. At first I was frustrated with/for Bill at having two traps back to back. However, I feel like in the case of being designed to be able to back out of the trap, they should still count as valid, this one just unfortunately got stuck.
Wow that was pretty. These are the things that makes tools fly when you're half way through a job.
Nice tricky lock but I think Bill is getting pee'd off with darn trap pin's.đ Go Aussie's!đŠđșđŠđșđŠđș
I would be too. The fun of challenge locks is to be able to open them. Trap locks are good for real world security, but not for challenges. That's just irritating.
Not so much pee'd off, but disappointed in copycats. The whole idea of offering the PACLOCKS for challenges it to stimulate some creativity and let us all see some innovation in security measures. I have a limited number of these locks remaining (11) and don't want to give them all away to guys that copy other's trap designs. Traps are just devious because you've actually picked the lock when you hit one of these nasty boobytraps. The recoverable ones are OK because you get another try to use your skill to overcome it. The NONRECOVERABLE ones though, are the ones I find irritating. It is like being the first in a race and some SOB trips you right before the finish line, or teasing a toddler with candy, then yanking it back a the last moment... I'll still accept challenge locks containing trap pins and will continue to try to pick them on camera, but will not be sending a PACLOCK for them unless they contain something fresh or innovative. As I write this three kwiksets from three different people sit on the bench - each with identical, non-recoverable traps - and I'm sure there are more on the way. I don't want to "waste" our PACLOCKS rewarding copycats. Sorry.
@@bosnianbill good point Bill, I understand your frustration and your explanation makes sense to me.đđ» I want a Paclock as much as anyone but I bought my own 2nd gen one and had them engrave it for me too.â One day I shall make some challenge locks and hopefully come up with a new idea to beat you fairly. May just send you a Protec2 and say it's a challenge lock.đ On that note, do you accept disc detainer or lever challenge locks?... just out of curiosity?đ€
nicely done just getting to the trap.
Fine job Mr. Bill.
I'm impressed. Tough lock.
I've just started watching you and few others. Made my own pick and tensioner. Not the greatest but works. It is very satisfying to feel each pin and finally pick it open.
I had an older master lock and was able to open in a matter of seconds. Went to the store to buy a couple more. Was excited, sadly I opened those too quickly. The bug bit meh. I want more lol. Good vids tyvm
Mike
Bill is pissed! Dark Arts should go to his panic room now.
You better send Bill another package with some candy..... NEVER forget the candy...
Amazing trap. Good job
I just bought my first set of picks and a cutaway lock from Sparrows...and I blame it all on you and LPL ;)
Awesome lock :) those trap pins combined with the other nice pins made that a nightmare!! Great work by Dark Arts Lock Picking :) :)
great picking as always
A good job Bill, I thought you had it done as well. A well made lock there by Dark Arts. Next time Bill just get a beefy screwdriver like you said. LOL!!!!!!!
I was getting frustrated for you just watching this video! Very nice work by both of you guys!
So Now I have to make a 7 pin lock with all trap pins made from hardned steel.
And then name it The Admiral Ackbar.
hi bill
use a shim as you use it when disassembling. but instead of the key you manipulate the pins with the pick.
I love those trench wrenches Bill. And I felt your frustration with that lock. You did say no more traps. Nice keeping cool. Now I'll email you
How do they make holes for the springs? Can you please help me with this?
where'd that third hand come from at 13:32?
I noticed that too. Had to watch it a few more times till I realised it was Bill's right hand. He had cross his hand over to pick up something on the left side.
Yes, crossed over to pick up the shim.
That shit tripped me out đđđ
Bill I dont believe they were snakes. Pipe sherlock Holmes. Elementary my dear Watson
I think trap locks are the way to go if you don't mind having a semi functional lock after someone attempts to pick it.Just knowing that someone attempted it could be useful.
i just idly SPP'd my first padlock whilst watching this vid !!
Elementary my dear Watson. Lol
How were those traps? From the way they look, you should have been able to back out of the false set.
Elementary my dear Watson.... it's a pipe...have a good one
Patience, Bill, sir. Maybe you could have picked it to sheerline and then twisted it very fast once it became clear that it was a trap lock. You set the rules, and the clock stopped once you had got it picked, and got caught in the trap. I think you should allow yourself time to figure it out, maybe another 3 x 10 minutes plus a cool down time for having an adult beverage, before you try to figure out how to get past the trap pin(s). If you would be in the competition and that was the last lock, would you give up or try to figure some other method. We believe in you sir. You are the best.
+1 for the screwdriver method. Or use a hardened steel key blank.
They probably make a Hound of Baskerville-lock one day where the dogÂŽs "teeth" symbols the pins. ;)
I must say Bill, if the only way to beat you is by making a trap, then i would take that as a sense of accomplishment. Masterful pinning and good tolerances can't keep you out by themselves. Excessive low cuts and traps are the only way to get over on the wizard of the lock lab!
true! but I wonder how many challenge locks were gonna see if they keep making these trap locks
That's odd about getting stuck. The pawn shaped pin and the spool should have released from the undercut tracks as soon as you reversed tension on the core. Were there serrations in the grooves that prevented turning the core back to the locked position?
Challenge lock traps should RESET. Not cool to have one that doesn't.
John Lee Pettimore III See A.A. B. 's thread, it the lockmaker is also surprised it didn't reset!
Excellent work getting back out of that trap Bill, I learn so much from your videos and wonderfull work on the trap pins Dark Arts, pity the Pipe engraving went straight to the keeper, but Sherlock is a Pommie thing, nice tensioning tools, are they available for purchase by mortal men?
Michael Harman as I have explained to Bill and everyone else that keeps calling it a trap lock and pins. It was never designed to be a trap lock. I designed it so that chamber 2 and 4 acted like deep undercuts. When I tested the lock countless times and each pin. Making sure that the shaft of pins 2 and 4 where much thinner than the cuts. So that they wouldn't get stuck but for some unknown reason one of them did. And I'm first generation Pommie Australian lol. I only made 9 set's and I have two left for giveaways etc. đđđđ€đ€đ€
Died at "Looks like a worm or could be steaming pile of snake."
Again, what I feel should be done is a rule that challenge locks should now on be submitted under two different categories. Standard "Lock Sport" Challenge Locks and Non-Standard "Exhibition" Challenge Locks. At least this way there would be an expectation from the beginning that the lock is a trap or has similar "denial of entry" methods employed. With the exhibition locks I feel the viewers should then vote on whether the maker should be awarded a prize for creativity, etc
CZcams channel favorite
No connection drawn between sherlock /elementary (my dear watson) /sherlock holmes / his pipe / etc etc?
That's Sherlock's pipe. Looks like a meerschaum/calabash from the shape of it.
Bill sounded a little pissed...
11:36 ouch. This is the first time I can recall seeing Bill somewhat angry. That long pause when he finds out its a trap was kinda terrifying also throwing the key down. I thought "did the video just pause?" Mind you I would have been pissed as well and probably would have reacted much worse than that.
I don't consider that trap pins... Very deep undercuts..!
I don't understand why it wouldn't go back...
The lack of spring didn't help, there wasn't any additional nudging from the inside without the hammer, and since it was tensioning it while hammering it, that probably kept it captive. Little Houdini or WD-40 might have helped the metal from seizing...
A worm? A snake? It's obviously a pipe đ€Ł
Elementary my dear BosnianBill. Sherlock Holmes. :)
Crazy
Love your work Bill. Can you tell me if you know of have tested this lock, WordLock(R) KS-052-BK Stor-More Key Safe. Can it be by passed with ease? One has been fited
When you mentioned smacking it with a hammer I envisioned a crowbar and a ten pound sledge.
Six of nine. Seven of nine would be a lot more nerdy.
six fears seven....
I've been watching Bill's videos since around video 400, and I know he really dislikes trapped challenge locks.
ELEMENTARY, MY DEAR WATSON, THAT MUST BE THE MERSCHAM PIPE OF, PROFESSOR SHERLOCK HOLMES.
Trap pins are not challenge locks, they are a while different category of locksport. Trap pins don't belong in challenge locks unless stated.
Do you think you could "pick" a master lock without a pick? For example using a tension wrench then hitting it with a hammer to bounce the pins?
Been there, done that...
1. czcams.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=pU9MB5XPsp4
2. czcams.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=C_wNgp_L1Uw
So the deal is. If we send you a challange lock, Bill. You have 30mins to open otherwise we win?
Im up for that challenge. Ill be in the ChopShop tomorrow :D
Bill did you hit your hand with that hammer?
bill knew what happened that's why he sent the paclock
Yep, weâre crazy as a fox in Australia.
Someday when I get time (so not that soon sadly) I'll make a lock by lapping the core, bible, & pins to sub-micron tolerance. A challenge lock with all standard pins & chambers, made difficult only by precision. Example of what sub-micron tolerances do: /watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q?t=38s
Between this mans videos and the hacking videos I watch I will soon be a qualified secret squirrel agent!
Great pick, interesting lock too bad it didn't work properly all that banging an beating to get it to turn back
Itâs a shame the trap wouldnât reset. I think traps might be ok but only if they can easily reset without the key. If you need the key or a hammer, not really a valid challenge lock. Good effort from dark arts though.
Ps, what happened at 13:33. Your hand disappeared off right, turned up back in shot left than immediately back in on right... thatâs some serious sleight of hand...
The little dumbells work by one end being still in the core and the other end is in the bible. The stem is laying in the groove cut in the core. That gives a very deep false set. It got trapped because the stem got caught in the groove or the ball got jammed against the wall of the bible. My best guess.
Elementary, my dear Watson
Who's hand is that at 13:32??? O.o
JFC, Bill...It's Sherlock Holmes pipe.
I'm new to lock sport but I have a question are trap locks made commercially or is this just a sly way to stop Bill getting in to the lock if so htey should get nothing.
FYI, the worm/steaming snake is Sherlock Holmes pipe, it's quite Elementary really lol ;-)
It's a Sherlock pipe!
You know bills been to your house when you see a sharpie line on your lock
Well done dark arts.
Elementary my dear Watson It is a pipe
Itâs your own fault bill, if you werenât so good then people wouldnât have to resort to such dirty tactics! Lol
The engraving was supposed to be a pipe, and the elementary is a. 'sherlock Holmes' quote except it isn't. Fairly sure Mark from Peep show covered it at one point, explaining why it's not the catchphrase.
o0julek0o Sherlock Holmes never state's "elementary my dear Watson" it's just like Hannibal never says "hello Clarice" when they first meet in silence of the lambs.
And the elementary lock is named after my favourite tv show. đ
Itâs a pipe. Elementary my dear Watson...
You were a little afraid it was a Lockwood, why?
hmm i was gonna say no PadLock ... but why war you not able to relock the undercut traps on these? ... they should be relockable...
I was wondering the same thing. But maybe the 2 combined is what caused it to lock up like a construction hole trap
It never did that when I tested it out or attempted to pick it. So I'm not sure why it got stuck. đ€
Only thing I can think of is a key pin didn't fall back down. Might need to push it hard into the trap, rake all the key pins to the bottom, and then it should be able to be reset.
@@bmitch3020 you maybe correct. I have used similar pins and core mods on challenge locks. Never had it seize up, only deep false sets.
He probably turned it too strongly and it got wedged @@DarkArtsLockPicking
also, just curious. but do the people who win a lock from you have to prove they can pick it? seems reasonable to require that....
i mean to prove they can pick the challenge lock that they sent in...
Never heard of trap pins before?
Dark art lock picking
09:26 - Bill, what did you mean by this when you said no one else would be getting a Pac Lock? I think I missed the context of your comment from another video perhaps.
In video 1366, which was ANOTHER trap pin lock, I said that any FUTURE challenge locks that used trap pins would not receive a PACLOCK. I've been receiving several trap pin locks that are easy to pick, but once you fall into the trap it is unrecoverable. No amount of skill will get you out of the trap or salvage the lock. The first one was innovative and creative, but all the copycats are just using it as an easy way to get a PACLOCK. Since I only have 11 PACLOCKs left, I didn't think you'd want to see 11 stock kwiksets containing nothing but a trap pin or two. The whole idea of rewarding challenge lock makers with a PACLOCK is to stimulate some creativity and out-of-the-box thinking, so the entire LockSport community can benefit from fresh ideas. I don't see the copycat trap lock makers as fitting into that category. I will still accept challenge locks containing trap pins and will try to pick them on camera, but won't be sending PACLOCK to the makers. THAT is what I was referring to.
you could coin a name for those tension wrenches they are sorta shaped like a pipe stem could call them Sherlock tensioners
Lee Boatwright I named them Dark art swoop wrenches. After my channel. đ
why would you need a light tension ? that doesn't make any sense ...