No-deal Brexit could ‘break up current party system’ - BBC Newsnight
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- No-deal Brexit could ‘break up current party system’
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As the government survives a key Brexit vote on trade, Evan Davis is joined by Conservative MPs Dominic Grieve and Marcus Fysh to discuss the divisions in Parliament over Brexit.
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Why is the presenter so patronising? Ask questions with a mind to getting an answer, stop trying to Paxman everyone ffs
That answer is easy.Its called the BBC.Use your money to with hold the truth.
BBC are fake news.
"stop trying to Paxman everyone" - Oliver Kimmer.
Priceless.
here we go again, ask the question, mid reply ask another question, leaving answers so muddled it is difficult to understand what has been said
You're just slow.
there you go, so you disagree, so you get all personal, oh and miss the point exactly. Lets hear the answers, and make up our own minds. Respect those you communicate with. You never know, you may actually learn something. Unless, of course you already know everything
The delusion, the EU would agree to a Canada+++ plan. No obligations, but free trade as in the customs union. Dream on.
bias b b c glad cliff richard won
Evan' tone of questioning with the Brexiter and Remaimer was markably different. BBC liberal bias
Jac77794 >> You should “Authoritarian Leftist”. Not liberal, at least not in Britain. The BBC is illiberal just like others trying to stifle free speech, not mention denying a painfully clear democratic mandate in Brexit.
break the old boys club up, hurrah!
Brexit will not help anyone. .
Doctors from India and pakistan have are working in the NHS. For years sending them back will not just finish the NHS. But also possible you and your love one's.
MrKingdig
After the brexit Doctors will have to re.sit medical exams and wait 2 years before they can treat patients.
The bbc ''were integrity goes to die''
*where...
Yes...Sorry....
Yes... sorry......
Thats not what BBC stands for, its actually "Bitches be Crazy". Get it right!
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bbc
Then go watch Fox news I'm sure that's more your IQ level
So there is something positive about Brexit! Whether or not it is worth the huge cost to break up the current party system is another thing.
They're all cunts... non of these areshole, Left or Right/Leave or Remain, have brought the human race forward. Only technology and science has improved and made changes to our lives. These lot are just pigs at the trough, a burden we desperately need to shed... £5 BILLION from the UK alone to pay for EU pensions!!! (And add to that the contribution of another 27 nations... and that's just pensions!),
Spot on about the pensions - Mr Farage is a leech
They all take the pension... the Greens and environmentalists too. Apparently they need the money to spend on consumables and too keep themselves in an opulent lifestyle. Why else do they accept the large pension?
N.B. that was a sneaky one, Nigel Farage is in the EU to get himself out of a job by getting us out of the EU. I know I won't change your opinion, nasty snides will always be nasty snides.
Alan Heath for goodnis sake it's a false statement from lobbyists and the BBC well done nice acting 😂
Britain has 2 choices. Adhere to all the freedoms of a customs union within the EU or leave without a deal. Its that simple. For 2 years now Britain has being wasting it's time trying to negotiate a deal which would close it's borders to the EU people, but remain open and frictionless to trade. It will never happen.
I have an idea - talk over each other so we all go watch 8 out of 10 Cats.
This is cringe-worthy. Nodding in agreement with one interviewee whilst berating the other has become commonplace and sadly comical.
You've moved on a long way from recognising patches of light and dark. Hopefully over time you'll be able to understand small parts of sentences.
Because the brexiter makes no sense and offers no answers regarding Brexit, just pie in the sky solutions. And the other analyses facts.
CZcams CZcams you sound like the typical sore loser . He has a clear solution from what i can hear and its always a hard truth for the publicly funded biased bbc. Usual scaremongering from the remoaner on the right. We voted out...and knew what we were voting for
This interviewer is terrible
East CHCH Kea he attends the same brainwashing courses as Matt Frei , Kirsty Wark and the best of all Emily Maitliss .All pretentious libtards who actually think that the BBC are still regarded as a serious news channel as opposed to almost everyone else who sees them for the EU mouthpiece that they have become.
Grieve doesn't get it, the nation already said leave. Not keep voting till there is a fiddleing of figures to give an opposite view. It won't happen, even LEAVE voters are changing their views because of the behaviour of EU negotiators.
Wow, a breakup of the party system in UK politics.
Imagine if MPs were directly and only accountable to their constituents? No party whip, no party politics, corporate/banking lobbying would become much more difficult if not just pointless, no such thing as "safe seats" and individual MPs would live and die by their direct relationship with the local people who vote for them.Politicians would also no longer be so dependent on mainstream media image so the press/politician dynamic might actually focus on policies rather than the usual crap.
Maybe i'm missing something about this but it sounds like a pretty good thing.
Two interviews together, one where Davies asks friendly questions, and allows time to answer, another where he is irritable, hostile and constantly interrupts and talks over the interviewee. Not hard to guess which is which.
Evan - shut up and listen before you trot out the same sad Remoaner BBC attack lines that, strangely, you have no equivalent for when it comes to Brexit supporters. Listen, without interrupting and trying to display your interview 'talent' and you might learn something. I'm interested in what your guests have to say rather than your self-aggrandisement . Replay this and see how little you interrupted your other guest in comparison, although there was some of that.
Is the word “Brexit” taken from two words “Britain” and “exit?
No it taken from ready brek and shit cos those are the only things we will be eating after brekshit
Get May OUT!
Bring in JUNE!!!!!!!!!
Fuck politics , finally the public has seen how corrupt and inept the whole political system is. Time for major change
'Parliament will assert its authority' if they don't get what they want? No deal all the way, how can you say no deal is worse then a deal where we get nothing we ask for?
Grieve is a modern day Lord Halifax
uk says "we leave", they now have to leave. Looking for a trade agreement means "I want to leave but I don't want to leave". It's hypocrisy.
Why do these BBCpresenters insist on butting in when their question is being answered?
Anything that breaks up the current party system has to be a good thing.
No party has the right to rule. No party may create a system that is unchanging with the effect that they have the right to rule.
The BBC interviewer keeps on interrupting, can he let the man finish answering one question before another is fired please?
Well, what can we expect from the BBC?
I'm sick of being told what the EU will or will not allow. It's up to us. And if that means paying tariffs, so be it. Worth it to obtain the independence we voted for.
Is this the UK-version of MAGA?
Yes brexit and Trump are both symptoms of societies which teach propaganda instead of history. USA No.1 for instance. It's a shitload cheaper to brainwash everyone into thinking "We're No.1" than actually being No.1. The side effects are an unwarranted arrogance which is in fact an extreme form of hubris. Hubris used to be a crime punishable by death.
Let's have another referendum for fucks sake!
Both guests were interrupted once the question had been answered. One guest gave longer yet articulate answers. One answered quickly and had to be prevented from rambling. There isn't all the time in the world.
Why does Evan Davis bother having guests? He constantly interrupts, giving his interviewees no chance to get their views across, except of course, when he agrees with what they're saying.
There is no negotiation about a free trade areement at the moment. If the Irish boarder is not decided on, there is no need to disuss the framework of future relations. The final trade deal would be negotiated after March 2019, when the UK is out. IN order to get a withdrwal agreement an agreement on the Irish boarer must be reached first.
Why do these moderators keep interrupting?
no plan seems to be brits plan
There's not going to be a second referendum.
Forget it.
Or is there?
Fraser Blackman
The Parliament has already debated no fewer than four e-petitions for second referenda of various flavours.
The first one had upwards of 4 million signatures.
The most recent one is this : petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004
Read the government response.
It's basically the same as for the first one.
On July 13th 2018 parliament debated and rejected a second referendum proposal by the libdems. It lost by 299 to 13 votes. Here it is:
czcams.com/video/Z6Z6287bGhE/video.html
There's not going to be a second referendum of any description.
Forget it.
Are you so sure?
Fraser Blackman
Do you want a second referendum?
That depends
The British people do not share the vision of a federal Europe - probably less than 20% actively want this.
Why do these interviewers insist on butting in when their guests are answering their questions? Could it be because they don't like the answers they're hearing, perhaps?
"Canada plus plus plus" - is that the latest soundbite? Jesus....
This Evan Davis should learn to not interrupt his guests so that we can hear their answers
If the UK remains - why dies it need it’s own Government?
Shouldn´t all this had been discussed and decided BEFORE triggering art.50?
What a rude and obnoxious host.
Oh wait, this is the BBC. ...
Britain, GTFO Europe and fix your once wondrous legacy.
lets hope so
Lots of pluses after Canada. That sense of entitlement is the core of UKs problems.
Falling back to WTO terms and having "side legisltion" which could be seen as emergency legislation for a "smooth" exit, which means preventing riots adn food supply shortages, means NO DEAL. If there is a deal the UK enters the transition period.
No deal is on! We should get Noel Edmons call Barnier now. It's coming home....
There is absolutely no reason to go to the public iyet again to vote on something voted for Our politicians are not fit for purpose..
Rebel? That's a rather harsh word!
Dominique Grieve subscribed to Heath's definition of the EU as supranational: that the EU overrides UK law, no ifs, no buts. This is not the position of Germany, nor of France. Grieve turned down my proposal to alter the wording of 1972 ECA Section 2.1. along the lines of the German Constitutional Court's definition of the EU as an alliance of sovereign states, and of German citizens inalienable rights to sanction their lawmakers. By refusiung this simple suggestion, Grieve and his fanatical Remainers brought the June 23 2016 vopte on the UK's head. I don't know why anybody bopthers with the man.
UK is a joke with this lot in London
Parliament had paralysis 2 years ago thats why they passed it to the people to make the decision. Decision was made to leave so get on and do what the voters have elected you to do.
Good.
Excellent.
The bbc ''Where integrity goes to die''
The EU will NEVER offer the UK a good deal, as this will only incentivise other unhappy member states to leave too.
There won't be any break up of the party system. The parliament will unanimously approve another referendum on how to exit (i) no special deal with EU and (ii) some existing model of relationship, say Norway style, after exit.
Depending on which wins, that will be implemented.
So it's basically a soft brexit where nothing changes, or no deal where a recession might happen.
The BBC are niave to believe that people cant see their bias and fear mongering. This strengthens the resolve to Brexit. Cheers.
No deal here we come.
didnt the EU already said no to canada +++;) its very useful to bring that up again in the last few month
Grieve could start by accepting the referendum result.
could also get rid of the BBC ... and some would cheer ...
Why after 2 years can't Brexiteers produce a workable plan, you would of thought they would of had this figured out long before they even won the referendum especially seeing how long they campaigned for it.
Oh please.. next you’ll be telling us the world will stop rotating ... actually lets just get rid of politicians, and give the power to the people.. we have the technology these days.. all we need future politicians to do is make sure that what gets decided is what gets done..
The UK can only fully leave, or fully stay. Even if this horse trading was effective (and it isn't), the UK is severely running out of time. If either the Conservatives or Labour really care so much about the future of the country (and I am not convinced they do), they would cease these charades about this or that variant of deals, and act now.
If the UK wants to stay, the decisions need to be carried out until December, if the long-term crisis is to be averted. If the UK wants to leave, it should negotiate a few minor precautions with the EU and just leave next year. There is absolutely no point to prolonging a divorce for years via disingenuous smartarsery. Equally, there is absolutely no point to a divorce if the arguments for it are unconvincing.
And no, "will a'the people, but no more democracy after June 2016" is not a valid argument. Especially when even former PM Cameron was unable to take responsibility for two referenda that polarised and traumatised UK society to the point that this bad blood might last for decades on end. He had no plan, there was no plan, it was all a stupid bluff of career politicians. May and Corbyn are doing the same thing now. Do you think they honestly care about the well-being and future of many generations of British citizens, rather than warming their own political capital soup ?
Another bonus of Leaving. Maybe we can abolish House of Lords and get rid of First past the post system and we might just start living in a more democratic country.
I love the way Grieve said the country has got us into this mess. It has been a Conservative lead disaster. Conservative PMs have put us here. Not the people.
When exactly did Dobby the house elf take over Newsnight presenting duies?
Yes - well spotted. The Fysh bloke looks like he's done one line too many as well.
When the rest of wizarding community fled to azkaban to escape this Brexit fiasco
He has no idea of the time frame at all.
Hmmm...tough decision...current party system or democracy?
I'll keep democracy, thanks.
The first thing we do when we do get out is to get rid of all politicians who don't believe in brexit ,they are not fit for purpose they will never stop moaning even if everything is going well because they will never admit they were wrong,and that is the problem.thes politicians will always follow their own agenda because only they know best ,no compromise.
TITANIC!
No-deal Brexit could break up current party system? It's all good then, present system is full of dodgy dealings, corporate concerns, elitist puppetry and general 'carry on', unsavoury in nature.
What could go wrong?
*No Deal No Worries*
Dominic Grieve was happy to put his name on the election sheet on a manifesto of no single market and no customs union
The MPs are nearly all remainers so want to go against the vote of the people. The country has not got itself into trouble, MPs have because they do not want to leave the EU. If the vote was remaining this would not be happening the other way with the 48% wanting a remain that looks like leave.
I'm not sure its pretty tricky to plan for the status Quo.
Still they do not listen to the 25+ million people....... 17.6 million people turned out and voted OUT. We knew what out meant and we want to take up the challenge.
"We knew what out meant" - no you didn't.
kieran bolton No. You really didn't.
Kieran you can't understand why you have to wash your hands before making the sandwiches, you put petrol in the van six times, and 500m from a school does mean all schools. Everything is a challenge for you.
Seán O'Nilbud I doubt that is even tenuously attached to what I’m talking about Mush.
On the contrary, you have no idea where the UK is even going or what it is going to do in the future.
Evan davis talks through the leaver and lets the remainer talk!!!
Boris might not be Churchill, but he does have charisma and no doubt that's what Patten regards him as dangerous. When Boris challenges TM there's really only one outcome, and Patten knows it.
Boris charisma?
The UK will soon implode politically and economically. Time’s up. The problem is that the UK still thinks to be able to dictate terms. They want all the positives of the EU but not the negatives. Those days are gone, they now are learning that... the hard way.
Yawn. No deal it is.
Yes do something , fire the present Prime Minister.
N.I Issue now solved today so can forget that one at least.
No deal better than bad deal!!!!!
Hahahaha we are going to crash out of the EU arent we.
Man the younger generations are getting fucked. Just in the previous 18 yrs.
* Iraq War
* War on terror
* Global economic crash
* Continuous austerity
* Now Brexit
More fun times ahead..........yay.
Good; next Brexit then move them all to the midlands out of Rotchild private City of London corporation
Yeah then I might be able to afford a house
I think the BBC is a great, important and impartial institution - this is evidenced by the fact that righties think it's leftie propaganda and lefties think it's rightie propaganda. But please - if you're going to ask a question, let them answer it!
all they had to do to avoid all this is to have simply not started brexit; imagine.
Think you are John Lennon do you ?
Khasab WHERE'S THE FUN IN THAT?
There is a simple solution to this. No deal BREXIT and not one british citizen to be allowed to emigrate from the UK after Jan 2019. That way everyone suffers equally and everyone understands what the UK experiences in a "no deal" reality
Northern Ireland voted by 56% to remain.
That is the will of the people.
MPs need to realise the people had the vote and it was leave. If we get a no deal then the remainers in Parliament cannot moan - constantly rejecting everything, stalling. The EU don't allow anyone to leave and the remainers in Parliament are just proving that correct but it isn't working 😎😎😎🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 Brexit
I want leave as soon as possible, I'm aching for Brexit to mean Brexit!!! and to actually know what that means
I vote to remain... because I'm NOT a racist..
I voted remain for the exact same reason.
I voted leave because every time I expressed my concerns about immigration I found some liberal pointing at me calling me racist. If you debate people then you have the chance to change their mind. If you call someone a racist you only feel that you have won the argument. In fact all you did was fail to engage in argument.
Jezza Yezsir
You hate hearing the fact that your a racist.
You hate to be reminded that you lost the vote. 17 million 'racists' agree with me. Most likely up to about 21 million now because re-moaners are incapable of any form of debate that is based on valid points. We didn't win, you lost. Every time a normal person is called a racist by one of you lot that is another person alienated. We know that we aren't racist. The same thing caused Trump's victory.
Jezza Yezsir
It's not your fault it's in your DNA that you're a racist
Oh look....another BBC interview that talks all over one guest and lets the other free and unfettered talk...
😱
This has got to be the BIAS BBC. They just can't help themselves, when trying to destroy Brexit. The BBC is and always has been totally corrupt. We must fight the Government in getting rid of the BBCs illegal Licence fee.
Lets get out now
It's not quite that simple.
Labour have committed to ending free movement (contrary to the Single Market), and maintaining the ability to subsidize/support/invest in British industry (contrary to the EU's "level playing field"--which itself is un-level because the EU is designed to subsidize French agriculture and protect German manufacturing). Even if a dozen+ Tory MPs broke to vote with Labour/ SNP/ LDs/ PLAID, this "new authority" will face the same dilemma: "a" customs union or "the" customs union. There will still come a point that the EU will say "no cherry picking; if you want the benefits of EU membership you must pay ALL the costs." And Labour know they will lose more pro-Brexit Labour votes should they do this. Let them form an unnatural national government. It will collapse immediately, and the political shockwaves will carry us over the no-deal threshold.
LET HIM SPEAK!!!!!
love the bants peeps
It’s always the ‘Toffs’ who want to remain
Really?
I KNOW!!!!, If it weren't for Boris and Ress Mogg the Remainers would have all those silver tonged foxs to themselves.