The FASTEST Car You Will Ever Build | Factory Five GTM
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- If you like cars that are loud, fast, all-American, and can outrun most supercars, then you've probably heard of the Factory Five GTM. FFR makes affordable replicas and DIY kit cars that can be assembled in your own garage. One of their most famous models is the GTM- a C5 Corvette -powered mid-engine two-seater track supercar. With the potential for over 500 horsepower, 0-60 in under 3 seconds, and a top speed triple most speed limits. Is the Factory Five GTM the BEST affordable cheap supercar kit?
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I built the first twin turbo GTR. One year of my time 10 hours/day, $332,000 in kit, engine, Porsche transaxle, $50k in machine shop tools. And in the end it’s still a kit car with little resale value.
It's a costly hobby, suck money like a quick sand
I bet it was a very fun car though at least.
@@benjaminmayle3629 yes and actually the year I spent building it was therapeutic, and also led to business opportunities developing parts for NASCAR and F1.
@@kurtdobson that's very good, I used to like making model train sets and while it was much less time consuming and expensive it was also very enjoyable. What was your time like developing parts for NASCAR and F1.
@@benjaminmayle3629 Thanks for asking. I'm a Ph.D EE and most of my career has been in developing wireless communications, radar and such. But I decided to build this Ultima GTR to race in the Silver State Classic. My twin-turbo 911 Porsche would only do 207mph and I wanted something faster. So I had the factory build me a rolling chassis, but I designed the engine, a dry-sump SBC with Kinsler stack injection inside a plenum driven buy two turbochargers through air-air intercoolers. It had cockpit adjustable boost from 660hp to 1450hp; 750hp was enough to lap the corvettes, ferraris and BMW's. The problem was I had to design the headers and all the intercooler plumbing. It was harder than I thought, so I spent a year developing a SW program that designs tubing solutions automatically. This involved solving an 'inverse' mathematical problem so I published a white paper on the algorithms and project which got me invited to speak at PRI show in Colorado. One of the execs from GM Performance was there and he wanted me to design header solutions for his premier NASCAR team, Hendrick's Motorsports. I ended up doing much more than headers, spent two years helping them with optimizing their NASCAR engines using CFD, instrumented engines on the dyno and a lot of math. We went from 740hp in 2000, to 815hp two years later. From that I was asked to help Ralt, an F1/Indy chassis company to design the headers for the Honda V10 F1 engine in their chassis. So it's interesting what happens in life as you meet people. But in the end I'm still just an engineer and mostly into the electronics and software used in aerospace applications.
Component car is referring to a self assembly vehicle that is mostly new components that are designed from factory to fit, not take offs. Perfect example is factory five when you choose all the new bits in the catalog or a vehicle from superlite. A kit car is a vehicle who utilizes mostly used parts from an existing vehicle(think more than just powertrain here). That's basically what I've gathered from my research when I was looking to buying one
This has been my understanding as well
And Replica?
@@krisraps replica seems to be a gray area,you have people like superformance and RCR utilizing 85%+ of the recreated original parts and then you have replica's that go the other side and are meant to look like the car, but function differently. The most replica's that are on the market today are big money cars, it's just hard to discern what a kit/component car is and a replica begins. For example superformance comes as a rolling chassis minus engine and drivetrain. RCR is sold as a component car unless you choose to do their turnkey minus program where they build it all minus engine and ecu parts installed.
That's semantics. What you call a component car IS a kit car. Used or new status of components is not relevant.
Everything on mine was brand new, no donor. You can source everything yourself if you wanted to.
Long time since I felt like this ...
I'm just enjoying every minute of it.
If old people realized how little time the had left on earth, maybe they'd drive a little faster.
Then some of them might have "Even Less Time" than they have now.
I scream that same quote at my windshield daily?
Or maybe they want to enjoy their drive safely, because it could be their last!
If young people knew how much time they had left if they race at that speed.
I've been sayin that
Very cool! Thank you!
Good luck on getting parts.
My friend is just finishing a Kit Car now and his cost is $120K but he used a V-10 Lamborghini power plant
Do you know how much the Lambo drive-train was by itself? And to be honest, at that rate I'd probably have gone with a Chevy small block or a Ford Coyote engine. Simple, and lots of room for insane power. I haven't heard a lot about modern Lamborghini engines, but if they're like Ferrari they're probably temperamental and then there's the parts cost too lol.
@@drownthepoor he didn’t buy a new Lamborghini V-10 and I don’t know what he paid. But in a couple of weeks he will post his Dyno Runs on CZcams. Dan Dulac is his name look him up? Have a great week.
I've been following Dan's build from the beginning. Exceptional approach and skill set.
@@lefroy1 yes I was the one who towed his Beast to the Dyno shop owned by Marc. I have the 79 Chevy C-20 Truck. We live about 40 minutes from him.
@@dave5833 Right on! I remember that truck and thinking at the time 'What a beauty!' She's in great condition, and I can imagine becoming quite sought after, if not already (I'm fro the other side of the pond).
Been patiently waiting for Dan's latest vid.. he teased a possible first drive at the end of the last one. I do hope he straps a couple Go-Pros to it and brings us along a few times. Bet people's reactions will be quite profound seeing that thing out in the wild,
The GTM has been on my bucket list a long time.
Right up until the C8 came out, and now the Z06.
Basically about the same price and performance, with a factory warranty.
Of course minus the 2000hr build time too
They are completely different animals. One is a 2500lb. race car and the other has ALL the nannies, and some extra pounds, and NO STICK.
The f5 GTM looks endlessly better than any Corvette especially the c8, which looks like our was designed by a Chinese child
You can’t compare those cars. This car is FAR lighter and more raw.
@Andrew Landes lol no. A v8 or at least a 6 cylinder turbo is needed for this car
@@jstdrv LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was pretty damn good
When these low costs are quoted, they are not in any way associated with the sleek, slick, beautiful machines shown in the accompanying image(s). You will spend 3 times that much money -at least - to end up with a car that looks and performs like that.
Yet telling the truth would scare people.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 if you know what you are doing no it won't we the guys who build everything can cut corners and look good doing it.
@@driftitlikeyouownit If by "know what you're doing" you mean steal the brand new engine and transmission and the actual paint," maybe. If you take a C5 donor with 70K miles on it, and just flat drop that engine in, that is not what they are showing.
I want these guys to do a kit based on my 06' tundra regular cab.
You have to ask ICON 4X4 for that
The styling of the new F9 is INSANE !!! 😲
It's been in development so long I'm looking forward to when it finally is released for sale
Although the design looks similar to the Ultima, this thing with a power window option is the best.
F9R looks sweet. Pair that with the standard LS1 from an old C5 like I owned for a decade and you'll LOVE the sound, and it has 365HP to get you in trouble! Listening to the exhaust on a properly tuned LS1 Idling is a thing of beauty.
And I'll absolutely destroy you omdragg and circuit track in my 92 civic hatch that is 1100hp at 1500 lbs curb weight.
I thought the LS1 only made 345-350
@@neo-filthyfrank1347hahaha no shit, nice catch
Now that's nice
"Nobody needs 850hp"
This guy needs MORE!
cant wait to see one with a cummins or a 4rotor
I was thinking a turbo 4.0 barra . But a turbo 4 rotor would wild.
Keep dreaming
It's a bit sad to know that GTM is retiring, I didn't know until I watched this video. I was thinking of building a GTM when I retired several years from now. Now I have to look into FFR website to see the new replacement of GTM or just stick with its Subaru powered kit car that is also very fast.
Where did you get your info about the GTM being discontinued? The website merely states the orders are full. They had the same status this time last year too when it started getting close to the fourth quarter orders fill up so they have to limit them. I'd be very surprised if Factory 5 would discontinue their best selling product when it sells out every year.
would a hot Honda 4 cyl work in a GTM?????
Please more videos on F9R
Can you get it in right hand drive
Lets see the corvette do MORE doughnuts!! i don't think i got that down yet....lol
Def gotta have an all aluminum big block
For these factory Five cars....do they, or is there a service, that will if you buy the kit and the donor car, put it together for you?
I have NO tools, no know-how when it comes to mechanics, but I do love to drive sports cars....
So, aside from buying one used, is there a way to buy one built for you new?
Thank you in advance,
CC
Hello, by respect if you got no tool or know-how, these kits are not for you. Go buy branded cars, it will cost you less you'll be much safer.
now if only they could put HVAC, power windows, and a storage compartment in the 818C....
They could, if they wanted to 😉
What's the weight? I'd try a 1,000hp Honda K series.
It’s sad it’s going away forever. I don’t think their replacement for this car looks even close to as good and I just now learned about this thing! It’s already leaving and I just learned of it’s existence
818c is a better option to also be a daily driver but i dont like the front of it
Makes may mouth water ....
Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but a component car has a ground up chassis which requires donor parts from manufactured cars, like an engine, while a kit car uses an existing chassis from a manufacturer and usually has a body kit installed that replicates an exotic car, like the Pontiac Fiero with a Ferrari body kit.
It doesn't look too bad
Wondering, is something like that legal in Canada?????
Will the ZZ 632 fit in it
600hrs?????!!!!! Oh no my guy. That's a LIE!!!! I've never seen anyone complete a build in less than 2000-2400hrs.
And lets realistically double the price to 50-70K and thats at entry level.
You’re making me question you sanity… That’s crazy talk “no buddy needs that much power”.
Yep! Nobody should decide what you can and cannot have. Freedom!
I might start talking that crazy talk if
I do I rather have an umbrella when it's not raining and not needed Then need an umbrella when it's raining carry one with you Just in case
I need the address and phone number of that company so I can buy one
@@HansBelphegor I almost have have that rario lol 1100hp at 1500 lbs curb weight in my civic hatch
I would love an F9R with a shorter front and rear mounted engine.
Gr8 Car . Definitely not in the same league as a Ultima Evolution from the UK .
Real talk, there needs to be a standalone TCM for the C8s 8-speed transaxle. I assume when enough will be parted out, costs will drop enough to be downright affordable. No more overpriced and weak Porsche transmissions!
I paid $1200 for a G96.01. Plenty strong for a 2500lb. car. The money for the C8 driveline would cost way more.
i know a guy that makes tcm for bmw 8 speeds
hmu if u actually need that tcm
@@fazeobama8872 And I'll absolutely destroy you omdragg and circuit track in my 92 civic hatch that is 1100hp at 1500 lbs curb weight.
And I'll absolutely destroy you on drag and circuit track in my 92 civic hatch that is 1100hp at 1500 lbs curb weight.
@@JLUX100 You talkin' to me? There's nobody else here so you must be talkin' to me!
Is there any way that they can make a driveable AND affordable replica of a Ferrari 288 GTO?
Only if Ferrari allows it. You would have to get a 308 and get a body kit
Sorry Quick, that post was meant for Superlative CG
Talked to the factory five guys at sema when lookin at the GTM race car that they race and they are very cool guys. Love the car but the roofline was at my waist so as much as I love it idk how comfortable it would be for me 😂
I looked at one too. I sat in it and couldn't see out of it worth a $%#$. It was like sitting in a tank. Great car, just not for the drivers out there.
;-D I wouldn't go old drive train thow... I'd get New Engine and Trans too. Build it over Winter for Spring...
Now imagine one of these with the new C8 Z06 engine/sound 🤯🤯
And imagine me spanking you in my 1100hp civic that weighs 1500lbs curb weight 🤙🏼
I have always understood Kit Car to be something that uses a donor chassis and drivetrain from a VW Bug or Fiero or Boxster, for example.
Not necessarily. It's just easier to keep a build on an existing title road legal.
Moon of the things you mentioned are truly American. Jazz is American, Blues is American Rock n Roll as created by Chuck Berry and Jimi Hendrix, Now that’s American.
K20 Powered MR2 ftw
It's easy to hate,and shout Kit Car. But you know what? I rather like this one, in fact, I could happily drive it.
I took a tour last week.
Factory 5 offer fabulous kits . But the fastest , know . The Ultima Evolution is by a long way
i Dunno his brother builds some sweet kits too !! lol
There are updates on the Aurelio
Climbing through any office windows lately Burkey?
K24 1000 bhp will perfect with the GTM
get a hci LS7 MAKING 650WHP in a light car like this, man that thing would fly.
It's a real nice car it's a shame it's leaving I wouldn't mind getting one myself
Many owners of Ultima GTR detune engines down to 500HP only to make such light race car road driveable.....
Airbags or temp glass
Sure u can fit a Nelson racing engine in there
So what about a pro charged 548 Hemi
It won't fit.
I thought FFR has stopped taking orders as the GTM is now discontinued?
They aren't going to discontinue the GTM until they have an outright replacement for the model. Dave's said multiple times that he isn't even sure the F9R as it currently is will be that model, or if one of the others they have partially developed might be.
3:02 because I like autox. I'd probably go the other way and try to get that 500 hp out of the smallest engine possible.
This man missed a shift and still ran a 10.70 quarter-mile. Fuck
Also, the GTM and F9R look like they're from Burnout
After watching this and being a "rebel" I want one with an AT now. And to make it a GT...
Must I use an American car. What if I used a v8 Lexus engine
I like the second gen body style but man the furst gen was so gt40ish
So it's under $30,000 but you don't get an engine or a transmission that's separate. Is that right?
rolling chassis no driveline (engine/transaxle/differential)
@@johnvillano9809 It's NOT a rolling chassis.
@@carbonfiber8071 i explained it to a novice as a roller for brevity
@@johnvillano9809 But you were completely wrong, briefly.
@@carbonfiber8071 when you are done building what they give you and put wheels on it it is a roller no? you supply engine and g60 from a porsche as driveline as an option
Looks good the cars design and very good looks are great for a kit car at that cost very impressed with the styling
it look like if a Ford GT , a Corvette C6 and a Porsche 911 GT1 had a baby
epic
IMO the upcoming F9R is a misguided attempt at modernization. Going from mid-engine to front engine is a (giant) step back. BTW neither of these items is in my budget.
Front engine has major advantages for building a kit car and sourcing a drivetrain, specifically the difficulty and expense of the transmission required for mid-engine. Some companies like SuperLite now sell transmissions specifically for their car, but they are very expensive (Graziano for SLC is north of $14k by the time you get the transmission and the other parts needed). Front engine you could buy 400hp V8, clutch, and new Tremec for about that much.
It definitely looks more racy with the engine in the back, and with lighter engines than a big American V8 as the F9R will use, some dynamic benefit as well. Keep in mind any kit is also intended to have a fairly simple (albeit powerful) drivetrain as well, with varying tarmac surfaces and a huge powerplant behind the driver with RWD (and no real electronic nanny devices), you will see more than a few in ditches.
The F9R appears to have its engine very far back from the front of the car, in a sense it is mid-engine as the weight is distributed to get close to the 50/50 desired.
Don't be surprised when the F9R is raced against a GTM of the same tires and hp if it is actually faster around the track.
@@sburns2421 you hit the nail on the head, but also I doubt any engine with 12 cylinders could possibly be lighter than an aluminum block LS. As somebody who built an ls6 swapped Miata (with some help from v8roadsters) I can attest a true corvette or gen IV 6.2 motor from an Escalade/Denali with an aluminum block is equal or lighter than a factory Miata 1.6. Yes, the Miata has an iron block and DOHC which adds weight but really I doubt you’ll find anything lighter than GM’s aluminum block 5.3, 5.7(ls1/6), 6.0(ls2), 6.2(ls3/l99/l92) or 7.0 ls7. Even doing something like an all aluminum Honda k24 will start racking up lbs when you add the turbo necessary to keep up with the v8 guys. There’s a reason Factory 5 has Chevy gen III/IV mounts tucked in the back of the catalog for their Shelby Cobra replicas. It may be sacreligous but it works just a little too well together for it not to be offered. Performance will always bridge brand loyalty, and as awesome as the 5.0 coyote or modular 4.6 are, overhead cam will never be as compact or light as a good ol American pushrod v8
I'd like to see them produce a 65/66 Mustang or 67/68/69 or 70/71/72/73 RS Camaro kit over these so-called super cars.
I would put a turbo k20
Factory five is the way to go ,if you want to roll high with low cash spent
F9 is canceled, FF5 already stated that they have other projects that they want to spend more time on.
but can i put a coyote motor in it?
Superlite SLC is a better choice for performance and looks IMO.
I’d just as soon just have a c-6😊😊😊
Any car you have to assemble yourself, should be classified as a kit car 🚗
siiiiiiick
There was one of these that used to run in the time trials at NASA local events. I guess it was fun, once you got past the whole overheating, breaking all the time, and slower than a stock C6 Corvette aspects.
This car does 0-60 in 3 sec. with 505hp. 11.0 sec. 1/4 mile.
Whomever was running that car they didn't have it set up right.
There is a first gen in California that has been racing for 15 plus years and has won MULTIPLE endurance race championships.
@@carbonfiber8071 No doubt you can post links to results and videos. Even if it does exist, I guarantee-freaking-tee you the build and development cost way more than $25k. Like 6 figures. And it they’re actually competitive in the faster endurance classes, the first of those 6 figures is gonna be greater than 1.
@@americanAlienBoy You stuck your foot in your mouth that time. Look up Team PDG. Or you can go directly to FFR's website. Pretty well-known group. And they did it on almost NO budget. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Nope, bad idea stopping production. Very upset. Replace it with another mid engine super car.
"850+ horsepower. Thats too much"
Said no one ever
The first mid engine Corvette.
And I'll absolutely destroy you on drag and circuit track in my 92 civic hatch that is 1100hp at 1500 lbs curb weight.
Gay
@@finished6267 Butthurt blank burner account nobody
Nobody cares🤣
@@bri-manhunter2654 sounds like you care
Ahh yes the typical corny civic guy bringing his Sh*t box into the conversation.
I want to see Cleetus McFarland and crew build a fleet of these !!!
How about a cyotee
The F9-R made me completely forget about that other FF car you were devoting the whole video to. 😯
"Nobody needs that much power in a car"
We are not the same
The fastest car you will never build seems more appropriate
Depends on who you are.
A FIRD Godzilla engine I’m thinking 🇦🇺
You get some pipes and plastic shell. Lol
It looks like a Saleen S7 replica
After all said and done in my mk2 it was about 70k
LSX 454 twin turbo 🙊 yep sounds fun
0:52 how am I meant to trust what you say about cars if you don't even know what a double quarter pounder is?
It's not like it's even hard! There's one patty! You said a double! A child could do better. It's lazy, sloppy stuff like that which annoys me the most.
If you are smart, and do all the work yourself including bodywork/paint, you can build this car for 50k to 60k.
That's still a lot though. The K1 attack with a turbo k20 finished it'll be around 30k
If you are smart you will just buy a c5 and boost it .... And you have a factory car that's easy to work on Comfortable and can find parts for it...Just saying ..
@@erikcapozzi3425 They are apples and oranges. You obviously don't understand the difference between a mid-engine tube-frame race car and a front-engine production car that weighs 800 lbs. more. The driving dynamics are night and day. Plus my car is worth over 100k at the moment, can't say the same about a C5.
@@erikcapozzi3425 Some people like it easy, and some build incredible and unique cars.
@@rokk144 Pretty cheap for what it is. Guess you have to pay to play.
0:55 Sir that's a single cheeseburger not a double quarter pounder. I want my money back.
nooooo someone noticed 😭
@@QuickshiftCars It was worse you used "homemade" car pics instead of actual older kit cars.
USA like a big things lol 👌👌
I'm hoping the f9r is lower cost attractive. Let a guy a dream ok!?