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Hey Rich, killer channel! absolutely love you work! Could you review some kind of european engine, like the OM606 or BMW M57D30. I think i could be interesting for guys in NA to see how big the difference is on EU and NA engines :) Greeting from Denmark
It was great seeing 4BT popularity increase & see them swapped into all sorts of things, but that also blew up the average prices & made them much less of a "good" swap option :(
Yeah, the days of picking up old bread trucks for a grand or so are long gone. We always bumped up the idle to 800 or so to smooth out the idle on airport bag tugs.
The same went for a 12v 5.9. I’d love to put a 5.9 in my 93 250 after my idi goes out, as of now my idi is still running decently well & hope it is still running for the next few years or until I have the resources to get another 93 250 to 5.9 swap. I love my stock idi ZF5.
Thank you for actually doing honest videos. I just got chewed by a bunch of Cummins nuts trying to convince me that you can push 800 HP out of a 4BT and I can’t convince them otherwise. People somehow think everything Cummins makes is solid gold and always gonna produce the power of a Semi in a package for your car. I guess I shouldn’t complain because they break them and I profit, but God I hate rebuilding engines trashed by people with no concept of reality.
Zach Steele depends on what you want to change. But on a completely stock rotating assembly and heads with stock injectors - I wouldn’t process a warranty claim. Most of us who work in the field wouldn’t. They built the ISX for a reason. The 6BT was never intended to do the job of a 14 plus Liter engine, or they wouldn’t have built the N14 and up.
I rebuild sprinter motors (om647) recently been working on om603 (mini Cummins 12 valve) very simple very reliable,om606 (mini Cummins 24-valve) not as robust but almost double the power. Rich do you have any interest in going Mercedes diesel. Bosch mechanical pump just like Cummins but also overhead cams making it much quieter. Half the weigth, better mileage and tons of power!
I’ve recently stumbled into the land of the OM606. Is love to put one in my ‘65 F100 to replace the worn out 302. I’ve been having a hard time finding adapters though to mate an “American” truck 5/6 speed to it though that’s a reasonable price.
@@mooman86 Contact the guy he mentions at the end of the video. If you've got the cash for an OM606 the adapter plate shouldn't be a huge deal, but I get sometimes you've just already got a motor or whatever
Vnt 17/22 Package can come off as 100% stock. You can bring one in for service at the dealer ( back in the day) and unless they drive it they or read the serial number and cross reference the turbo or check the parameters for the tune and there is no way for them to notice it’s making twice the hp/ torque as factory. For when you hit that long 5th gear... and it runs out of rpm in like 10 seconds. Fun times
just finishing up my om606 6 speed swap into a 94 Mercedes wagon with a dieselmeken pump. it's a beast. did a 4bt in my 96 Silverado 3500 while you were doing the tahoe. no complaints with the 20 mpg running back roads to work but the Mercedes is a much better performing engine.
Rich, nice seeing you throw a clip of my car in there again Haha. It's the 4BT of BMWs... I recently got my hands on a 525tds, which I like to call the BMW 6BT Haha. Much much smoother engine, doesn't use much more fuel either. Hope you find an OM606, I'd like to have one... seen a few for sale as complete car for around $3k-5k, cheaper than a fresh 4BT and it comes with nice leather interior!
For me it seemed like a good idea, have a 81 bronco with a ford 300, rated at 160hp 280ft lbs, got 12 mpg, so nearly the exact same weight, and torque could be had from a p pump 4bt that i'm putting in now, going to be a overland/part time farm truck type build
Try get your hands on a BMW M57, like an OM606 but better!, common rail, twin cam, DI, and people swap them into anything over in Europe, boats, 4x4s, classics and make lots of power with small mods! Lots do millions of miles in taxis.
I hate the M57 because the timing chain always breaks at about 200000km and its in the back of the engine! So engine out for changing! OM606 is alot better and you can convert to a P-pump with very big elements. Even a VW TDI 1.9 is alot better, and also often tuned to good power!
@@Rum1981 your clearly getting your engines mixed up. The N57 has the chain on the rear and has known issues. The M57 has it on the front and happily does 300k miles or more.
Real shame aboaut the 5.0. Such a promising platform. I've always been impressed by the small VW diesels. Guys were taking the PD150 out of a 4th gen, upgrading turbo and chucking a mechanical pump on it and pushing over 250hp and almost 400ftlb. Totally enough jam for a half ton or suv.
Could never convert the pd engines to mechanical, just the old ve pumps - ALH's etc. 250bhp is really achievable with the pd150s and then 350 is a step up again
Isuzu 6SD1. I've see one of these engines go through two Keohring 6633 material handlers with no rebuilds and one injection pump. It was serviced every 350 hrs and oil samples were taken. The first MH had 23000 hours on it the second I'm not sure but we cut the crane up and sold the engine.
I have an 87 naturally aspirated OM603 in a 300D. Didnt make them here and it was imported from Europe to #berta in the 90s. I love it to death. Doesnt make much power, but i get 30mpg city and 35 highway. (7 - 9 L / 100kms). Owned it for years, done my 5000 kms oil changes and shes never let me down. Preventative maintenance is key.
Your comment on Europe is right on. The base (not the reduced horsepower) version of the 1.9 PD and the later 2.0 Common rail VW is the same spec as the 4BT, less than 1/2 the weight and available in most scrap yards, way more efficient and smooth. Oh and turning up the powerat least initialy is just a remap. Most other Euro makes have an equivalent just the VW is the more reliable (most non crashed vehicles are still on the road since the change form TDI to PD)
For basic, simple to work on, reliable and power boostable engines, it's hard to beat the old 12HT and 1HD-FT Toyota engines 👌 4.0 and 4.2 L respectively. Both excellent platforms
I have a 1hdfte in my cruiser and considering swapping it into a Nissan Patrol - in AUS. ALSO CONSIDERING THE 4BT. Trying to suss out what would be the better option...
Just finished my OM606 that I put into an OBS Ford F-150. Great engine and well suited for that size truck. Looking forward to some German diesel videos.
I very strongly recommend guys using a 1.9 VW TDI, they have many many different platforms such as 00-03 ALH and 04-something BEW and so on. They are very cheap to come buy, usually $1,000-$3,000 for a full running car turn key ready,. Also there is a HUGE amount of community support and many adapter plate kits available. I personally have an ALH I rebuilt that I am swapping into a 82 4 door rabbit that I am hoping to have done this fall. Hopefully Rich gets his hands on some of the VW diesels to tinker with!!!
My favorite engine is the Perkins a3.152 that Massey put on the 135. Runs and sounds like a clock ticking in grandma’s living room and every time I drive my old 135 I come home with a big smile on my face 😁 Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭 👋🏻
Always feel like the USA missed out on Land Rover Diesel engines. You might think I’m nuts but a Tdi200/300 is a stout engine. Even a Td5 with steel dowel pins is a great option. For someone with a high mile Tdi 300 they are great engines. Don’t confuse it with a Diesel Turbo which can trace its lineage to the original Land Rover diesel. Avoid at all costs.
Given its size, I would think that the 3.9 litre 4BT Cummins Diesel could go into just about anything where a much larger gasoline engine originally went. That's an advantage in itself. The only disadvantage this thing would be its stock horsepower and torque. I suppose if it were placed in a 1970s Dodge Dart or Aspen, it might be acceptable. But for anything heavier than that, I think you'd want way more power than that.
I have a 91 Dodge Cummins , early 2007 Dodge Cummins and a 4BT 3.9 Cummins turbo400 trans currently in a Rat Rod ; all of them run nice and all have minor mods. The 4BT 3.9 105 hp I bought 5 years ago for about $5k on eBay from Chad McKenney from Lebanon Ohio , he seems to keep a steady supply. Your CZcams channel has been greatly useful to me, thank you greatly , and keep videos coming. Old Dog Learning New Tricks
BMW M57. Used in the North American 335d and X5 diesel. Three liter inline 6, sequential turbo setup from factory, and Bosch Common rail. It produces 265 horsepower and 425 lb-ft of torque!
I love my 03 tdi wagon it’s been running on a stage 5 tune with bigger nozzles, turbo, and turbo back exhaust even driving like a idiot I average 40mpg. I would love to see one swapped into a smaller mini truck it would definitely be a bump in power and mpg and ready to do some work if needed
Dropped a TDI-m in a mk1 golf back in 03. It ran tractionless 14 flat at 99mph, and 0-60 in 5.5 (also no traction) What a fun car ,and really quick for using stock parts. The only VW diesel I've had that truly got over 50mpg on the highway. Anyone else with an old idi saying they get 50 or better , ask em where they get their weed at.
Damn CZcams trolling. I saw "everything wrong with a 3.9" and I was like, finally a video on the 3.9 V6 Dodge. Damn cummins and cutoff titles. 1st gen 3.9 V6 Dodge was basically a 318 V8 with the first two cylinders removed, a split pin crank and an ugly as sin firing order (1-6-5-4-3-2 on a 90 degree engine.) Fuel distribution sucked, balancing was a nightmare. It requires a massive harmonic balancer on the front and a torque converter with a Torqueflite 904 3 speed transmission and zero vacuum leaks to have a smooth running engine, which is basically never happening. Has miles of vacuum lines: 11 vacuum ports on the throttle body, 9 on the triple vacuum actuator block for the EGR, PCV and evap canister. More vacuum lines under the dash for the A/C control box and head. I have a box of vacuum hose and fittings of all dimensions because the stuff is constantly dry rotting. Best thing about the engine is it was only made for 3-4 years before the Magnum (1987-1989 or 1990). Worst thing about the engine is it was only made 3-4 years before the Magnum. Getting parts for the engine is neigh impossible. You can get 318 intakes all day long, it took me two years of searching to find one for mine because mine was warped. I had to use a sandwich of metal, extra-thicc gasket and RTV to stop the damn thing leaking.
@@andrewbartleman9169 They kept that 3.9 in magnum form going until I think the early 2000s before they gave up on it. I don't think they got much past 185 HP out of it because of the weird unbalanced design and shitty intake, which was lovingly called "the keg". They were the absolute worst with manual transmissions, they'd be thrashing under the hood at idle, paint shakers like mad.
My favorite diesels are the Mercedes om617 and the gm 6.5L diesel. The om617 in indestructible and sounds like a tractor. The idle of an om617 is like the voice of an old friend. The 6.5L is reliable, cheap to fix (relatively), and easy to work on. I love the 6.5L so much I have 5 of them, 4 in trucks.
Your 3 liter 5 cylinder Mercedes diesels area litte gutless what cruising on the highway with the fuel economy those Motors are spectacular. Did a lot of road trips in a 300 wagon, great memories😊👍
I *had* a 95 e300d with the 606, the engine was by far the best part. Despite being non turbo that car made decent power, especially if you drove it like it had just insulted your mother. It barely pulled below 3k, but came alive around 3500 and pulled hard but made one heck of a racket and put brodozers to shame with the insane amount of black smoke it would generate above 4k The engine/car had 371k miles when I got it, and it always started despite the issue of cyl 5&6 valve seats receding into the head, but it was not too bad, those cylinders were just dead for a few minutes of idling in the driveway until it warmed up a bit and then they'd come alive and run. They are known for glow plugs siezing into the head, be very very careful replacing the plugs, and whatever you do, do NOT use cheap autolite or some garbage plugs. Get Bosch plugs. They aren't that expensive in the long run. Most all of the rest of that car had been neglected and rusted so bad during it's 20ish years in the northeast US, so it wasn't worth fixing but it still ran, just had weird issues like axles rusting in half, spring perches falling off, driveshafts snapping, etc. Now I am fully in love with the older om617s that I have in my 82 mercedes. The only thing that kills them is morons that run "alternative fuels" improperly. I've run wvo forever and a half without any issues, but it is properly heated, properly filtered and I use the proper fuel lines and things to not cause chemical reactions and turn to slime. The om617 is a 6bt but smaller. I bought a 97 dodge ram as a work truck for my business purely because I popped the hood on every diesel truck in my price range and when I looked at the Dodge I said oh it's a big 617. Literally feels the same to work on, just smaller, makes less power and drinks less fuel.
A back burner plan for me is to hopefully do a R2.8 and 6 speed swap into my 03 Dakota R/T. Interesting side not is that the Dakota R/T came with an all cast 5.9 magnum which is actually heavier than the R2.8 so it would save weight.
One of the favourite diesel engines over here in the uk is the 3.0l 6 cylinder twin turbo BMW its makes good HP at 313 and around 500lbs torque. It tunes very well too😁
I have a 4BT in my wood chipper, I think that’s where it’s home will be for long time. 6k hours and doesn’t miss a beat. Either idle or full RPM. When it goes many many years from know, I’ll rebuild it and get some $$. Thanks Deboss!
Hey! i have a lot of experience with mercedes om 60x engines, i had them in mercedes w201 and w124, and had everything from a stock NA 602 to a superturbo 606👍
Heck yeah! I'd love to see some more "budget friendly" (If you can even use that term) diesels that can make good power for a full size truck and get MPGs. I like simple engines and with that said, I just picked up a duramax silverado....definitely not simple compared to the in line engines.
Ive been Running a om603 n/a wich i turbo converted with holset hx35 and upgraded pump made 350hp and 600nm been working for 3 years now running perfect pretty insane considering it started as a n/a
On my 6 bt my head had 64 cracks in the seats and a couple from seat to Injevtor hole so I bought a “good” head to replace it with which also ended up having 39 cracks, same thing. I lapped the valves a bit threw it on and sent it. Never had an issue. Did that at 320,000 km and I sold it with 560,000 and current owner still drives it and still hasn’t touched the head. The valve seats crack, but doesn’t mean it’s bad. Know lots that kept running just fine
Will Hyde I didn’t go to a school for my career in diesel . It’s natural to me and I also do the CNG stuff . School isn’t for everybody if something does not feel right run and start without a degree the whole sayin nobody will hire you without a diesel degree is complete bullshit , I’ve make thousands of dollars in my driveway doing side work on diesels . And my shop is running wide open right now I have zero college education in diesel and I’m rebuilding Diesel engines and everything on a truck 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@clayferguson340 not sure how long you have been in the industry, but now a days lots of places do want some kind of school or training/experience. When I applied to apprentice at about 100 different shops, still no one wanted to hire me due to no experience on diesel. Even after I went to school for training, it was still tough, but once I found a place, it was very easy to find another. Most places want that school degree or training to even set your foot in the door. Even though I grew up working on cars and was already mechanically inclined and it came natural to me. Plus I already left the school with manufacturers training that certified me for warranty work, making whatever shop I work at certified as well.
StrangaPsychoPachic I’ve been in the industry for 10 years ish , the best place to start is fleet shops especially with no experience in diesel , the ones that want ASE certification is being a picky bitch fleet shops like swift, Pam and any major trash Company, will hire inexperienced people and train them and those certificates are yours for good. Absolutely do not ever ever touch flat rate .
Good luck. Being a mechanic very hard on the body. Especially on the back. You don't have to be lifting to injure it. Avoid bending over for long periods of time.
I'm putting a 4BT with about 140 hp in a 1952 M37 now. I have fixed what I can about the trouble spots on the engines, I like no computer and that it's simple. I can't have a ton of HP in my truck anyway since I'm not changing the axles, I did swap the gears years ago for the flathead that was in it. I just can't put a Mercedes engine in an old army truck, it will be a huge improvement as it is. I have an old 300D Mercedes.
1HD-FTE Is probably Toyota's best ever diesel (inline 6, 4.2 Litre) and well worth looking at. Incredibly reliable and you can get some serious jam out of them.
Are Perkins swaps a thing over there I am putting Perkins 1006.6t Phaser into a Australian built International c1300 4x4 pickup 6L 210hp about 550 ft lbs stock. they used VE pumps or P pumps a lot cheaper than a 6bt over hear in aus.
Not really a thing here. I'm swapping a 6.354 Perkins into a 73 International crewcab 1210 4x4. I'm looking for a cummins style power steering- vacuum pump combo to run off the aux shaft, all I get are thousand yard stares when I ask suppliers who should know about it.
Perkins is Caterpillar owned, and the products are sold under caterpillar branding in most markets, but also sometimes branded Pertrak, Massey Ferguson (its owner 60-90's), Commer or even Rolls-Royce in Europe and Israel. By one of these names they are popular in something common in just about every country... its just that most people don't talk about them as Perkins. The older engines are great for the non-professional DIY minded person wanting to avoid the mechanic as they are suitable for shade tree fixes/maintenance, and when your rural (either via home location or travel) its found in a ton of tractors (Massey Ferguson and others), but the newest trims that are forced to have all the emissions ect don't really offer any real advantage for on road applications over more modern ground up designs.
I’m an avid 6.5TD guru here locally. I have 4 blocks laying around for rebuilds or parts. All of MY customers LOVE them, they got a bad rep just like the 6.0 Powerstrokes... however look up the specs, they are cheap, light and problematic until you correct the issues. I prefer the electronic pumps after 1994 with a heath diesel performance chip they really wake up. I installed an optimizer 6.5td with the heath performance tune, turbo master wastegate set to 12psi non-intercooled in my customers 96 suburban with 18” rims and it has NOOO issue breaking loose that gov-lock 14 bolt rear with stock trans (4l80-e)..... when I HAD my personal 6.5td I had the tow max HAULiNG a 32foot gooseneck of round bales for YeARS.... owned it from 110kmiles to 250kmiles (I sold it for a 4wd truck).... the 6.5TD came in 1500-3500s, vans(? Without turbo?) , h1, hummers, blazers suburbans, and boats.... why they did NOT come in a Tahoe is beyond me,,,there is currently a police force in sweden(I think) that converts their suvs to 6.5s and I think it happens in Michigan somewhere... it’s a LiGHT duty block 750lbs, up to 215hp and 440 torque, stock..... just don’t use a remanufactured crankshaft and you’ll be fine if the heads aren’t already cracked (which most of them are and run fine)
I drove a 3 axle concrete mixer with an 8.3L Cummins. While not a monster powerhouse it did OK. At the end of the day I couldn't believe how little fuel it burned. I called it 'Wave an oil rag at it and it was set for the next 2 or 3 loads.'
Paulie The Fixer I’m not sure, I know they can take some abuse, they have turbo at around 1 lb boost but if you pull a vacuum hose of the turbo it spoils as much as it can giving you 2lb boost without knock (not recommended) and when they’re hot you just let them idle, they cool down on idle which is extremely good for a work engine I think
I love the OM642 that came in the Jeep Grand Cherokee WK that I bought. Jeep sold them from 2007 to 2008 models in North America. It is my first diesel and has yet to leave me stranded.
My dad and I are puting a 6 cly Nissan 3.0 form a 1988 Patrol in my 1982 manual Dodge Ramchageren. The Nissan Patrol is big in Norway so a lot of support and people with know how:)
I have a buddy who built a “BT4” for his air boat. He said they got over 500 horse power out of it and it ran for several years and finally blew up. They run them at over 4800 rpm so I imagine he did a LOT of modifications. He currently runs a big block “Chevy” 532 inch big block that’s all aftermarket parts. Dart block, Brodix heads etc.
I recently purchased 2 Mercedes-Benz for the OM606 engines. And planing an engine swap on a 47 Ford Truck and next year into a Jeep. Both will have modified mechanical pumps and larger turbo's. Can't wait to get them running.
Any idea how difficult it is to put an OM606 into a second gen dakota? I've heard of people putting engine as big as the 6BT into these, but it's stupidly cramped. I've considered putting in a 4BT, but lately I've considered a OM-swap after learning more about it.
Here in Australia the 4bd1t is a really popular engine. Great 4 cylinder and people make big power out of them. Much more common than anything Cummins, that we unfortunately don't get much of here.
I just bought a 1955 Chevy 6400 US Army box truck. It has the original straight six in it but it is frozen. Within the next few years I hope to put a diesel engine in it. Not sure what I want. Leaning towards a Duramax to keep it Chevy, but not sure that is absolutely necessary to me. Low budget build, but reliable enough to drive it back and forth from CA to AZ.
I always like 5.9 Cummins. I picked up an 02 n I’m gunna do a p pump for a 03 f350 with manual transmission Also have another 03 6.0 I just finish getting it fixed up s3r intake, 190-30, banks inter cooler, Kc stage 2 turbo, kill devil diesel 2nd gen ported aluminum o ringed heads, stage 2 cam, fass lift pump, ported exhaust manifolds plus cold air and 4” turbo back plus a twisted diesel stage 3 transmission and tuned. I’m sure I’m forgetting something but so far I like this one
Chevy Cruze Turbo Diesel 6 speed manual. I have a 2018, the best mileage I’ve gotten was 62.6, regularly 50-55 MPG, NOT HYPERMILING! It has 137 HP and 269LBFT of torque if I remember correctly, smoky as a purring kitten, pulls like a boss. I’d love to see a build up on a 1.6 or the older 2.0L
After repowering a Toyota t100 with a 4bt, and running it to just under 500k miles, says something about the reliability. Its still a daily driver. Its a ve pumped engine, dynoed tuned to 284 hp. It rattles and shakes, but keeps going. I'll run it till the wheels fall off.
@@legitdelirium3446 500hp is a stretch. It takes a bit to get to 300whp. 500 takes a metric shit ton and it's a short lived affair IF you can get there.
I struggle with the hype over these ancient under powered diesel. Anything less than 15years old you’re looking at 200bhp + quite easily from European 2.0 diesels.
Davo G I own a 12v Cummins, it’s a great motor for sure. Information is readily available for literally every aspect of the engine, parts are easy to find, repair guides are easy to find, aftermarket support is endless. They are old, super heavy, and stock don’t make a lot of power. But I think the Cummins brand name, and just how easy of a platform it is to work on attracts a lot of people to it. But on the other hand I definitely know there are better options for diesel swaps, but people like to take the easy route too. And the 4/6bt is an “easy” route.
Davo G I average 18-20 depending on where I drive, it’s a single cab / 2wd truck so that’s not too bad. If I’m hauling something depending on weight it might go down to 13 mpg. I don’t think the fuel mileage is bad considering the age and weight of the truck. However, small 4 cyl diesels like VW TDI get very impressive mpg, and I would love to own one.
My Nr1 pick as a german has to be the BMW N57. A 3l Straight 6, weighs around 485lbs and can make ~300hp and 515 ft lb torque just with a stage 1 tune on the stock single turbo. You can expect to get around 30 mpg
The only diesel I own is the 4BT in my big woodchipper and it's been solid. Has 5,700 original hours and the only thing I've had to fix is the lift pump. Its actually how i found your channel years ago, looking for this exact video lol
Some counterpoints: the 4BT is known for better reliability than the Mercedes OM engines and a smaller package size than the Mercedes and Isuzu for applications that are tight on space. However, I've done a p-pumped 4BT swap into a Wrangler and completely agree with everything else. It is over-hyped, heavy, expensive, and kind of a gutless turd without dumping some money into it. The R2.8 is probably my next swap if I do another.
Always only worked on them in generator applications, but I absolutely love Kubotas. They are easy to work on, reliable, and got used in lots of applications. Have a V2003T here that was fantastic. Up until the point where someone stored it for me for a year, and let rain get down the stack filling it with water. :(
I have a lot of love for the isuzu 4h family of big 4 cylinders the 4he1 is a 4.8L in the gm cab overs. I maintain a fleet of them and the newer 5.2 4hk1s . The 4.8s are powerful and very simple. We only let one go out of service so far just because it was time to upgrade and the truck itself was clapped out. We upgraded it with a new isuzu which I don't know how great it's going to be. It has an aisin trans that we have already had issues with and also electrical issues
Toyota 1HDFT 4.2 24v 6 cylinder direct injection diesel with manual rotary pump, came in the 80 series Land Cruiser. There's also an electronic version (1HDFTE) that came in the 100 series. I don't know if you get them in Canada but in New Zealand and Australia they are legendary.
Here in Brazil,Ford offered the 4bt on the f-250,f-350,f-4.000 and some of the Cargo line and i think Vw trucks offered that engine too.So its weird to see how rare this engine is in america.
Eventually i want to build a 1980's square body crew cab chevy dually and put a 5.9 cummins into it and build a flat/ western hauler type of bed. But for now its only a dream.
Cummins did for a time build a 4b250 diamond series marine engine, was fitted with a P pump, intake heaters, monster turbo. Rated 250hp @3000 rpm they were a bit of a screamer and bits normally fell off them due to the vibration......I think they might of had balance shafts to cure this and possibly a different head, pistons etc for the extra power.
This is a really good video. After doing some research and stumbling on this video, it's really answered a lot of questions when it comes to this swap. I planned on swapping a 4bt into a 5th Gen 4Runner but I may go about a different route considering the price of 4bt's. 3 years after this video was made, prices haven't really dropped for them. I'd love to swing by your shop and pick your brain a bit considering you're less than an hour away from me.
my Octavia with a 1.9 diesel makes as much as a 4BT but it’s half the displacement and weighs much less, it’s a very smooth engine and is very fuel efficient
Thanks for sharing, very informative guidelines like old step side,rat rod info, tractor,outy,BMW, sorry to hear about Nissan Titan, it's really a nice truck... great dukes of hazard slide over hood... hey wheres daisy dukes and the old general Lee driving across country bad ass
Your remarks about 4BT vibration piqued my interest. I installed two Onan/Cummins generator sets, a model 60DGCB and a 50DGCA with 60 KW and 50KW of output, respectively. Both are powered by Cummins 4BT industrial engines. The 60DGCB is a 1996 vintage, while the 50DGCA is a 1998. The 60DGCB vibrates so badly it breaks brackets and damages itself, while the 50DGCA is cotton flannel smooth. Both have Stanodyne injection pumps. Did the factory mis-balance the engine supplied in the 60DGCB? Was there a significant re-engineering of the engine between 1996 and 1998?
There was a guy that stuck one of these in a third-gen Camaro. His thoughts were the same: Great economy at close to 40 mpg, but it had absolutely no power at all.
My favorite would probably be a 4-53 Detroit swap into a squarebody Chevy partially because of the absurdity of it. I've seen a fellow that has done it and I would love to have one. I've been a fan of the old 2-stroke detroits for a long time especially the old 6-71 and 8v71's. For practical purposes it's hard to beat the good old 6bt cummins just from the amount of availability of engines, parts, and support all over the place for them. Of course it's hard to jam one of things into every platform due to the length. But that doesn't stop people.
Favorite diesel engine to swap? 12 valve cummins of course, that's why I'm putting one in a ford explorer 😉. Everyone tells me the 4bt would be better but like you said they're so dang expensive, I got a whole 5.9 parts truck engine and all for half what I could find the cheapest 4bt engine for. Plus having a parts truck makes a build MUCH cheaper and easier. More power, much cheaper, but very heavy of course Love this "everything wrong" series, very informative.
What engine should we review next? 🤔
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Hey Rich, killer channel! absolutely love you work!
Could you review some kind of european engine, like the OM606 or BMW M57D30.
I think i could be interesting for guys in NA to see how big the difference is on EU and NA engines :)
Greeting from Denmark
I 'd like to see Mercedes truck diesels.
Try to review the isuzu RZ4E 1.9 liter engine....isuzu claims it has 148hp and 350Nm of torque.....
@Rosko Wolf Can you show a link to a 400 hp dyno sheet?
It was great seeing 4BT popularity increase & see them swapped into all sorts of things, but that also blew up the average prices & made them much less of a "good" swap option :(
They are so expensive these days. Makes keeping my skid steer running more expensive than it needs to be
Yeah, the days of picking up old bread trucks for a grand or so are long gone. We always bumped up the idle to 800 or so to smooth out the idle on airport bag tugs.
I don't want him covering the OM606 for that reason. OM617 has taken a huge price jump over the last decade as well.
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The same went for a 12v 5.9. I’d love to put a 5.9 in my 93 250 after my idi goes out, as of now my idi is still running decently well & hope it is still running for the next few years or until I have the resources to get another 93 250 to 5.9 swap. I love my stock idi ZF5.
You answered a lot of questions I had in regards to the 4BT! Thank you!
Thank you for actually doing honest videos. I just got chewed by a bunch of Cummins nuts trying to convince me that you can push 800 HP out of a 4BT and I can’t convince them otherwise. People somehow think everything Cummins makes is solid gold and always gonna produce the power of a Semi in a package for your car. I guess I shouldn’t complain because they break them and I profit, but God I hate rebuilding engines trashed by people with no concept of reality.
All you gotta do is run a high volume hydraulic pump as a blower and jam a few thousand PSI of boost at it. What's the issue?
I mean you can do it but probably one time maybe 2
With a 6BT you can clear 800 but on a 4BT not so sure about that
Zach Steele depends on what you want to change. But on a completely stock rotating assembly and heads with stock injectors - I wouldn’t process a warranty claim. Most of us who work in the field wouldn’t.
They built the ISX for a reason. The 6BT was never intended to do the job of a 14 plus Liter engine, or they wouldn’t have built the N14 and up.
@@roundsm18 YA MY DOJ CUMMINGS PASSED A CAR WITH A EMPTY 10 FOOT FLATDECK ONCE AND DIDNT BLOW UP ITS DUH BEST YOUR RONG
The om606 is a beast of an engine we have had one at 350 horse for the last 4 years and 120,000 miles running perfect
I would love to see a build up. Can you adapt one for marine use?
jack nimble yes you can! Look up om606 many have people have done marine conversions one has even a dual om606 setup
I rebuild sprinter motors (om647) recently been working on om603 (mini Cummins 12 valve) very simple very reliable,om606 (mini Cummins 24-valve) not as robust but almost double the power. Rich do you have any interest in going Mercedes diesel. Bosch mechanical pump just like Cummins but also overhead cams making it much quieter. Half the weigth, better mileage and tons of power!
I’ve recently stumbled into the land of the OM606. Is love to put one in my ‘65 F100 to replace the worn out 302. I’ve been having a hard time finding adapters though to mate an “American” truck 5/6 speed to it though that’s a reasonable price.
@@mooman86 Contact the guy he mentions at the end of the video.
If you've got the cash for an OM606 the adapter plate shouldn't be a huge deal, but I get sometimes you've just already got a motor or whatever
I would love to see a Volkswagen TDI ALH 1.9 build
I never understood the love for TDI's until I owned my 03 ALH, and I completely understand now.
Can you imagine a built one in that little MG racer they've been building??
The thing would fly.
Vnt 17/22
Package can come off as 100% stock.
You can bring one in for service at the dealer ( back in the day) and unless they drive it they or read the serial number and cross reference the turbo or check the parameters for the tune and there is no way for them to notice it’s making twice the hp/ torque as factory.
For when you hit that long 5th gear...
and it runs out of rpm in like 10 seconds.
Fun times
Darkside solutions has many TDI builds
I'm considering building up one in an 03 Jetta, but I'm concerned about the auto Trans handling the torque
1:13 - Rich does a cat delete.
easy 10hp right there
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This comment wins youtube.
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just finishing up my om606 6 speed swap into a 94 Mercedes wagon with a dieselmeken pump. it's a beast. did a 4bt in my 96 Silverado 3500 while you were doing the tahoe. no complaints with the 20 mpg running back roads to work but the Mercedes is a much better performing engine.
My favorite diesels being from the diesel industry just like you
1. Series 60
2. 3406
3. Cummins big cam
4. DT466 for the simplicity
I threw a rod right out the side of the block on a DT 466. It was in a 1999 International 4900.
I used to drive heavy tow truck and we loved the dt466, They were always broken down so we always had income coming in.
Gasp. No DD13, 15, or 16? Hahahaha
you must be retired then, that’s all old junk
russell379x I’m 23 years old 😂
Rich, nice seeing you throw a clip of my car in there again Haha. It's the 4BT of BMWs... I recently got my hands on a 525tds, which I like to call the BMW 6BT Haha. Much much smoother engine, doesn't use much more fuel either.
Hope you find an OM606, I'd like to have one... seen a few for sale as complete car for around $3k-5k, cheaper than a fresh 4BT and it comes with nice leather interior!
I love the 80’s dt466. Swapping one into a 71 Loadstar. They are great engines, easy to swap and work on
I looked at those but they seem to be too long for my 52' Dodge M37.
Rich... you saw my harmonic balancer video! The idea came from you. With water bottle. You inspired me to build the 29 ford truck. Thanks!
Great vid. What I've never understood is why Cummins didn't use grid heaters on all applications of both engines. Such a great system.
Probably because anything with a 4bt in it is operated by ether wielding maniacs.
For me it seemed like a good idea, have a 81 bronco with a ford 300, rated at 160hp 280ft lbs, got 12 mpg, so nearly the exact same weight, and torque could be had from a p pump 4bt that i'm putting in now, going to be a overland/part time farm truck type build
Curious if a Mercedes p pump can be adapted to a 4 or 6bta…?
Should mention something on Toyota diesels. The ‘Aussie’ ones like the 1hz and 1hdfte
Even the old 12ht
The 1hz engine is great just that it uses a timing belt
Worked on a couple in Africa. Awesome little power plants.
Just the best diesel engines ever
Or Aussie nissan engines. TD42 or even a V9X (yes I know it's a Renault)
Try get your hands on a BMW M57, like an OM606 but better!, common rail, twin cam, DI, and people swap them into anything over in Europe, boats, 4x4s, classics and make lots of power with small mods! Lots do millions of miles in taxis.
Great minds think alike ;)
I hate the M57 because the timing chain always breaks at about 200000km and its in the back of the engine! So engine out for changing! OM606 is alot better and you can convert to a P-pump with very big elements. Even a VW TDI 1.9 is alot better, and also often tuned to good power!
@@Rum1981 your clearly getting your engines mixed up. The N57 has the chain on the rear and has known issues. The M57 has it on the front and happily does 300k miles or more.
@@Pyrotec_nick newer m57n2 engines have the chain in the back. Also their crank bearings wear out easily
@@2Sidebars Are you absolutely sure you are not thinking of the N57?
Really, only 105 HP? I thought because of the awesome red paint it would boost the HP to 110?
Same power rating as my olds diesel!
Real shame aboaut the 5.0. Such a promising platform.
I've always been impressed by the small VW diesels. Guys were taking the PD150 out of a 4th gen, upgrading turbo and chucking a mechanical pump on it and pushing over 250hp and almost 400ftlb. Totally enough jam for a half ton or suv.
Dieselgate had them refocus and anyways they have 4 cylinder turbos making 310hp stock so i can't imagine they want to go back
Could never convert the pd engines to mechanical, just the old ve pumps - ALH's etc. 250bhp is really achievable with the pd150s and then 350 is a step up again
Isuzu 6SD1. I've see one of these engines go through two Keohring 6633 material handlers with no rebuilds and one injection pump. It was serviced every 350 hrs and oil samples were taken. The first MH had 23000 hours on it the second I'm not sure but we cut the crane up and sold the engine.
I have an 87 naturally aspirated OM603 in a 300D. Didnt make them here and it was imported from Europe to #berta in the 90s. I love it to death. Doesnt make much power, but i get 30mpg city and 35 highway. (7 - 9 L / 100kms). Owned it for years, done my 5000 kms oil changes and shes never let me down. Preventative maintenance is key.
Your comment on Europe is right on. The base (not the reduced horsepower) version of the 1.9 PD and the later 2.0 Common rail VW is the same spec as the 4BT, less than 1/2 the weight and available in most scrap yards, way more efficient and smooth. Oh and turning up the powerat least initialy is just a remap. Most other Euro makes have an equivalent just the VW is the more reliable (most non crashed vehicles are still on the road since the change form TDI to PD)
For basic, simple to work on, reliable and power boostable engines, it's hard to beat the old 12HT and 1HD-FT Toyota engines 👌 4.0 and 4.2 L respectively. Both excellent platforms
I have a 1hdfte in my cruiser and considering swapping it into a Nissan Patrol - in AUS. ALSO CONSIDERING THE 4BT. Trying to suss out what would be the better option...
@@danielcinzio4926 I'd personally go with the 1HD-FT or FTE over the 4BT, if you're willing to do the work to fit a Cummins you'd be mad not to go 6BT
@@danieledwards1081 is the 6bt really heavy
@@joshbevan9400 yes, it is. Far heavier than the Toyota options, but also bigger capacity
Just finished my OM606 that I put into an OBS Ford F-150. Great engine and well suited for that size truck. Looking forward to some German diesel videos.
Andy Ware please post some videos of it! Just about to start my 606 swap into a 2010 Jeep Wrangler
Cameron k I have my entire build on Instagram. Otto.om606
im doing a "euro" swap using an 89 190D. i struck gold finding a 200k one for $500 2 miles from my house
Andy hows the mod support for the om606
@@MrZlubot I know this is an old comment, there's a lot of support search up dieselpumpuk
I very strongly recommend guys using a 1.9 VW TDI, they have many many different platforms such as 00-03 ALH and 04-something BEW and so on. They are very cheap to come buy, usually $1,000-$3,000 for a full running car turn key ready,. Also there is a HUGE amount of community support and many adapter plate kits available. I personally have an ALH I rebuilt that I am swapping into a 82 4 door rabbit that I am hoping to have done this fall. Hopefully Rich gets his hands on some of the VW diesels to tinker with!!!
My favorite engine is the Perkins a3.152 that Massey put on the 135. Runs and sounds like a clock ticking in grandma’s living room and every time I drive my old 135 I come home with a big smile on my face 😁
Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭 👋🏻
Always feel like the USA missed out on Land Rover Diesel engines. You might think I’m nuts but a Tdi200/300 is a stout engine. Even a Td5 with steel dowel pins is a great option. For someone with a high mile Tdi 300 they are great engines. Don’t confuse it with a Diesel Turbo which can trace its lineage to the original Land Rover diesel. Avoid at all costs.
Darcy Bowyer can’t agree more I’ve got a 200tdi 340,000 k’s and running stronger than ever
The old 300 tdi is a slug but over the last 20,000 K mine has averaged 9.5 L/100KM. Got 360,000 K on it.
They TDIs are good engines, did moon miles on a 300 with an auto, good platform
I ran 3 Land Rover Discovers back in the day. All with the 300tdi’s put over 170.000 miles on them no bother. Good starters in the cold 👍🏻
They are kinda gutless tho.
Given its size, I would think that the 3.9 litre 4BT Cummins Diesel could go into just about anything where a much larger gasoline engine originally went. That's an advantage in itself. The only disadvantage this thing would be its stock horsepower and torque. I suppose if it were placed in a 1970s Dodge Dart or Aspen, it might be acceptable. But for anything heavier than that, I think you'd want way more power than that.
I have a 91 Dodge Cummins , early 2007 Dodge Cummins and a 4BT 3.9 Cummins turbo400 trans currently in a Rat Rod ; all of them run nice and all have minor mods. The 4BT 3.9 105 hp I bought 5 years ago for about $5k on eBay from Chad McKenney from Lebanon Ohio , he seems to keep a steady supply.
Your CZcams channel has been greatly useful to me, thank you greatly , and keep videos coming.
Old Dog Learning New Tricks
BMW M57. Used in the North American 335d and X5 diesel. Three liter inline 6, sequential turbo setup from factory, and Bosch Common rail. It produces 265 horsepower and 425 lb-ft of torque!
I love my 03 tdi wagon it’s been running on a stage 5 tune with bigger nozzles, turbo, and turbo back exhaust even driving like a idiot I average 40mpg. I would love to see one swapped into a smaller mini truck it would definitely be a bump in power and mpg and ready to do some work if needed
Dropped a TDI-m in a mk1 golf back in 03.
It ran tractionless 14 flat at 99mph, and 0-60 in 5.5 (also no traction)
What a fun car ,and really quick for using stock parts.
The only VW diesel I've had that truly got over 50mpg on the highway.
Anyone else with an old idi saying they get 50 or better , ask em where they get their weed at.
Damn CZcams trolling. I saw "everything wrong with a 3.9" and I was like, finally a video on the 3.9 V6 Dodge. Damn cummins and cutoff titles.
1st gen 3.9 V6 Dodge was basically a 318 V8 with the first two cylinders removed, a split pin crank and an ugly as sin firing order (1-6-5-4-3-2 on a 90 degree engine.) Fuel distribution sucked, balancing was a nightmare. It requires a massive harmonic balancer on the front and a torque converter with a Torqueflite 904 3 speed transmission and zero vacuum leaks to have a smooth running engine, which is basically never happening. Has miles of vacuum lines: 11 vacuum ports on the throttle body, 9 on the triple vacuum actuator block for the EGR, PCV and evap canister. More vacuum lines under the dash for the A/C control box and head. I have a box of vacuum hose and fittings of all dimensions because the stuff is constantly dry rotting.
Best thing about the engine is it was only made for 3-4 years before the Magnum (1987-1989 or 1990). Worst thing about the engine is it was only made 3-4 years before the Magnum. Getting parts for the engine is neigh impossible. You can get 318 intakes all day long, it took me two years of searching to find one for mine because mine was warped. I had to use a sandwich of metal, extra-thicc gasket and RTV to stop the damn thing leaking.
That's Chrysler for you. They have had a bad run with their v6s. Even modern v6s
@@andrewbartleman9169 They kept that 3.9 in magnum form going until I think the early 2000s before they gave up on it. I don't think they got much past 185 HP out of it because of the weird unbalanced design and shitty intake, which was lovingly called "the keg".
They were the absolute worst with manual transmissions, they'd be thrashing under the hood at idle, paint shakers like mad.
My favorite diesels are the Mercedes om617 and the gm 6.5L diesel. The om617 in indestructible and sounds like a tractor. The idle of an om617 is like the voice of an old friend. The 6.5L is reliable, cheap to fix (relatively), and easy to work on. I love the 6.5L so much I have 5 of them, 4 in trucks.
Your 3 liter 5 cylinder Mercedes diesels area litte gutless what cruising on the highway with the fuel economy those Motors are spectacular. Did a lot of road trips in a 300 wagon, great memories😊👍
I *had* a 95 e300d with the 606, the engine was by far the best part. Despite being non turbo that car made decent power, especially if you drove it like it had just insulted your mother.
It barely pulled below 3k, but came alive around 3500 and pulled hard but made one heck of a racket and put brodozers to shame with the insane amount of black smoke it would generate above 4k
The engine/car had 371k miles when I got it, and it always started despite the issue of cyl 5&6 valve seats receding into the head, but it was not too bad, those cylinders were just dead for a few minutes of idling in the driveway until it warmed up a bit and then they'd come alive and run.
They are known for glow plugs siezing into the head, be very very careful replacing the plugs, and whatever you do, do NOT use cheap autolite or some garbage plugs.
Get Bosch plugs. They aren't that expensive in the long run.
Most all of the rest of that car had been neglected and rusted so bad during it's 20ish years in the northeast US, so it wasn't worth fixing but it still ran, just had weird issues like axles rusting in half, spring perches falling off, driveshafts snapping, etc.
Now I am fully in love with the older om617s that I have in my 82 mercedes. The only thing that kills them is morons that run "alternative fuels" improperly. I've run wvo forever and a half without any issues, but it is properly heated, properly filtered and I use the proper fuel lines and things to not cause chemical reactions and turn to slime.
The om617 is a 6bt but smaller. I bought a 97 dodge ram as a work truck for my business purely because I popped the hood on every diesel truck in my price range and when I looked at the Dodge I said oh it's a big 617. Literally feels the same to work on, just smaller, makes less power and drinks less fuel.
A back burner plan for me is to hopefully do a R2.8 and 6 speed swap into my 03 Dakota R/T. Interesting side not is that the Dakota R/T came with an all cast 5.9 magnum which is actually heavier than the R2.8 so it would save weight.
Sounds like a sick project hope you get around to it eventually
One of the favourite diesel engines over here in the uk is the 3.0l 6 cylinder twin turbo BMW its makes good HP at 313 and around 500lbs torque. It tunes very well too😁
I have a 4BT in my wood chipper, I think that’s where it’s home will be for long time. 6k hours and doesn’t miss a beat.
Either idle or full RPM. When it goes many many years from know, I’ll rebuild it and get some $$. Thanks Deboss!
Hey! i have a lot of experience with mercedes om 60x engines, i had them in mercedes w201 and w124, and had everything from a stock NA 602 to a superturbo 606👍
Heck yeah! I'd love to see some more "budget friendly" (If you can even use that term) diesels that can make good power for a full size truck and get MPGs.
I like simple engines and with that said, I just picked up a duramax silverado....definitely not simple compared to the in line engines.
Ive been Running a om603 n/a wich i turbo converted with holset hx35 and upgraded pump made 350hp and 600nm been working for 3 years now running perfect pretty insane considering it started as a n/a
On my 6 bt my head had 64 cracks in the seats and a couple from seat to Injevtor hole so I bought a “good” head to replace it with which also ended up having 39 cracks, same thing. I lapped the valves a bit threw it on and sent it. Never had an issue. Did that at 320,000 km and I sold it with 560,000 and current owner still drives it and still hasn’t touched the head. The valve seats crack, but doesn’t mean it’s bad. Know lots that kept running just fine
When I was in the army I liked Mercedes-Benz Model OM 402A series V8 liquid-cooled engine. Much quieter than a CAT similar size
I also would like to see the review on a 1.9 TDI as i was wanting to do the swap into a toyato 4x4 thanks
The ih dt-466 is my favorite diesel engine of all time. Maintain them properly and they live forever. Cummins 855 big cam 3 is my next favorite.
Haha dt466 suck ass I do injectors and icp sensors almost every day on those
@@Nitro91I'm talking about the C series not the shitty electronic models.
My favorite diesel, Detroit 16V-149TTi, 4 turbo chargers and 4 super chargers on each engine. Frac pump engines from the 80's
Oh you think your exhaust gauge is broken no it's just running off the fumes from the car in front of you I lost it🤣🤣🤣
What is " exhaust gauge " ? Perhaps it is I who is to loose it next.....
He did say fuel gauge, not exhaust gauge, replying to the engines very high fuel efficiency :-)
@@JTL-DK Thank-you for being a new friend to me Mr. Jimmy Tretow-Loof. My knowledge of Exhaust gauges is extensive........
Great..... now the price of OM606's have gone up :)
Got a 4bt in my 1960 ford f100. It rattles for sure at idol but rides like a dream. I’m getting 30 mpg.
this is the type of guy I like watching because it seems he looks a real look into the thing he is talking about
I’d love to find a healthy 4-53T to stick in an old Ford pickup. Not sure if it is the best 4-cyl diesel of choice but I think they’re cool
Detroit Diesel's are pretty reliable
Sound would be the biggest perk!
Going to school to be a diesel mechanic. Can’t wait to get my hands dirty
Will Hyde I didn’t go to a school for my career in diesel . It’s natural to me and I also do the CNG stuff . School isn’t for everybody if something does not feel right run and start without a degree the whole sayin nobody will hire you without a diesel degree is complete bullshit , I’ve make thousands of dollars in my driveway doing side work on diesels . And my shop is running wide open right now I have zero college education in diesel and I’m rebuilding Diesel engines and everything on a truck 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@clayferguson340 not sure how long you have been in the industry, but now a days lots of places do want some kind of school or training/experience. When I applied to apprentice at about 100 different shops, still no one wanted to hire me due to no experience on diesel. Even after I went to school for training, it was still tough, but once I found a place, it was very easy to find another. Most places want that school degree or training to even set your foot in the door. Even though I grew up working on cars and was already mechanically inclined and it came natural to me. Plus I already left the school with manufacturers training that certified me for warranty work, making whatever shop I work at certified as well.
StrangaPsychoPachic I’ve been in the industry for 10 years ish , the best place to start is fleet shops especially with no experience in diesel , the ones that want ASE certification is being a picky bitch fleet shops like swift, Pam and any major trash Company, will hire inexperienced people and train them and those certificates are yours for good. Absolutely do not ever ever touch flat rate .
Good luck. Being a mechanic very hard on the body. Especially on the back. You don't have to be lifting to injure it. Avoid bending over for long periods of time.
Will Hyde - follow your heart buddy and don’t listen to anyone else or what anyone else says!
I'm putting a 4BT with about 140 hp in a 1952 M37 now. I have fixed what I can about the trouble spots on the engines, I like no computer and that it's simple. I can't have a ton of HP in my truck anyway since I'm not changing the axles, I did swap the gears years ago for the flathead that was in it. I just can't put a Mercedes engine in an old army truck, it will be a huge improvement as it is. I have an old 300D Mercedes.
OM606, OM603, OM628 or OM642, VW TDI ALH, AAZ are all great. Would love to see OM606 build!
1HD-FTE Is probably Toyota's best ever diesel (inline 6, 4.2 Litre) and well worth looking at. Incredibly reliable and you can get some serious jam out of them.
Are Perkins swaps a thing over there I am putting Perkins 1006.6t Phaser into a Australian built International c1300 4x4 pickup 6L 210hp about 550 ft lbs stock. they used VE pumps or P pumps a lot cheaper than a 6bt over hear in aus.
Not really a thing here.
I'm swapping a 6.354 Perkins into a 73 International crewcab 1210 4x4.
I'm looking for a cummins style power steering- vacuum pump combo to run off the aux shaft, all I get are thousand yard stares when I ask suppliers who should know about it.
Perkins is Caterpillar owned, and the products are sold under caterpillar branding in most markets, but also sometimes branded Pertrak, Massey Ferguson (its owner 60-90's), Commer or even Rolls-Royce in Europe and Israel. By one of these names they are popular in something common in just about every country... its just that most people don't talk about them as Perkins.
The older engines are great for the non-professional DIY minded person wanting to avoid the mechanic as they are suitable for shade tree fixes/maintenance, and when your rural (either via home location or travel) its found in a ton of tractors (Massey Ferguson and others), but the newest trims that are forced to have all the emissions ect don't really offer any real advantage for on road applications over more modern ground up designs.
Here in the states I've seen some trucks with 4.236 Perkins and 6.354 Perkins engines swapped in.
I've only heard of older perkins. I sorta assumed they died out honestly 😂
We have alot of the 4.236 in the us in equipment,. Cat rebranded them and updated the motor.. good motors
I’m an avid 6.5TD guru here locally. I have 4 blocks laying around for rebuilds or parts. All of MY customers LOVE them, they got a bad rep just like the 6.0 Powerstrokes... however look up the specs, they are cheap, light and problematic until you correct the issues. I prefer the electronic pumps after 1994 with a heath diesel performance chip they really wake up. I installed an optimizer 6.5td with the heath performance tune, turbo master wastegate set to 12psi non-intercooled in my customers 96 suburban with 18” rims and it has NOOO issue breaking loose that gov-lock 14 bolt rear with stock trans (4l80-e)..... when I HAD my personal 6.5td I had the tow max HAULiNG a 32foot gooseneck of round bales for YeARS.... owned it from 110kmiles to 250kmiles (I sold it for a 4wd truck).... the 6.5TD came in 1500-3500s, vans(? Without turbo?) , h1, hummers, blazers suburbans, and boats.... why they did NOT come in a Tahoe is beyond me,,,there is currently a police force in sweden(I think) that converts their suvs to 6.5s and I think it happens in Michigan somewhere... it’s a LiGHT duty block 750lbs, up to 215hp and 440 torque, stock..... just don’t use a remanufactured crankshaft and you’ll be fine if the heads aren’t already cracked (which most of them are and run fine)
I drove a 3 axle concrete mixer with an 8.3L Cummins. While not a monster powerhouse it did OK. At the end of the day I couldn't believe how little fuel it burned. I called it 'Wave an oil rag at it and it was set for the next 2 or 3 loads.'
the old mechanic fuel pump 2,5L Nissan kingcab turbo diesel is a really good work engine i.m.o
What year did they make them with mechanical injection? Sounds like it would have a lot of potential.
Paulie The Fixer I’m not sure, I know they can take some abuse, they have turbo at around 1 lb boost but if you pull a vacuum hose of the turbo it spoils as much as it can giving you 2lb boost without knock (not recommended) and when they’re hot you just let them idle, they cool down on idle which is extremely good for a work engine I think
Meh, still love my 4bt.
I love the OM642 that came in the Jeep Grand Cherokee WK that I bought. Jeep sold them from 2007 to 2008 models in North America. It is my first diesel and has yet to leave me stranded.
My dad and I are puting a 6 cly Nissan 3.0 form a 1988 Patrol in my 1982 manual Dodge Ramchageren. The Nissan Patrol is big in Norway so a lot of support and people with know how:)
I’d definitely do the 2.8 swap over a regular 4bt. You get a lot more bang for your buck plus you get support and updates as they come out.
wow, that is a big engine for the power it generates. A mid 2000 2.0 TDI does 140HP and 320Nm (236ft lbs) torque.
I have a buddy who built a “BT4” for his air boat. He said they got over 500 horse power out of it and it ran for several years and finally blew up. They run them at over 4800 rpm so I imagine he did a LOT of modifications. He currently runs a big block “Chevy” 532 inch big block that’s all aftermarket parts. Dart block, Brodix heads etc.
I recently purchased 2 Mercedes-Benz for the OM606 engines. And planing an engine swap on a 47 Ford Truck and next year into a Jeep. Both will have modified mechanical pumps and larger turbo's. Can't wait to get them running.
Greetings from europe! and yeah... I sometimes do think you guys are crazy xD
Any idea how difficult it is to put an OM606 into a second gen dakota? I've heard of people putting engine as big as the 6BT into these, but it's stupidly cramped. I've considered putting in a 4BT, but lately I've considered a OM-swap after learning more about it.
Here in Australia the 4bd1t is a really popular engine. Great 4 cylinder and people make big power out of them. Much more common than anything Cummins, that we unfortunately don't get much of here.
Jack M'crystal the only problem with the 4bd1 is the number of Rover v8s it has sent to the graveyard
I just bought a 1955 Chevy 6400 US Army box truck. It has the original straight six in it but it is frozen. Within the next few years I hope to put a diesel engine in it. Not sure what I want. Leaning towards a Duramax to keep it Chevy, but not sure that is absolutely necessary to me. Low budget build, but reliable enough to drive it back and forth from CA to AZ.
For nostalgic reasons the old style 6-71 screamer was my favourite, particularly because it was ambidextrous :-)
VW TDI!
I always like 5.9 Cummins. I picked up an 02 n I’m gunna do a p pump for a 03 f350 with manual transmission
Also have another 03 6.0 I just finish getting it fixed up s3r intake, 190-30, banks inter cooler, Kc stage 2 turbo, kill devil diesel 2nd gen ported aluminum o ringed heads, stage 2 cam, fass lift pump, ported exhaust manifolds plus cold air and 4” turbo back plus a twisted diesel stage 3 transmission and tuned. I’m sure I’m forgetting something but so far I like this one
Chevy Cruze Turbo Diesel 6 speed manual. I have a 2018, the best mileage I’ve gotten was 62.6, regularly 50-55 MPG, NOT HYPERMILING! It has 137 HP and 269LBFT of torque if I remember correctly, smoky as a purring kitten, pulls like a boss. I’d love to see a build up on a 1.6 or the older 2.0L
Fiat really makes good diesels
@@RohanSanjith I don’t believe it’s a Fiat motor, I know it’s made by an Italian company, I forget who
@@xozindustries7451 1.6 or 2.0? If it's 2.0 then it's Fiat multijet II engine
Can you do a "everything wrong with a john deere 4045T"?
@Monk Farmer a guy told me they weigh allot. But they make great power for a 4 cylinder.
Its a John deer!
Looking forward to an OM606 build!
I want one!
After repowering a Toyota t100 with a 4bt, and running it to just under 500k miles, says something about the reliability. Its still a daily driver. Its a ve pumped engine, dynoed tuned to 284 hp. It rattles and shakes, but keeps going. I'll run it till the wheels fall off.
4BT, 6BT, OM617, and OM606 are my favourite diesels. The 606 with a 603 pump, 7mm elements, and bigger turbo is fierce!
My tdi has more hp then the Cummins lol
Bone stock, sure, modded...nope.
hendo337 I don't know if you've seen those new TDIs built but..... Yeah no 500 horse with bolt ons isn't even hard...
@@legitdelirium3446 500hp is a stretch. It takes a bit to get to 300whp. 500 takes a metric shit ton and it's a short lived affair IF you can get there.
My deleted mk7 tdi makes only 178hp and 362tq. Crazy how technology has improved this much.
@@AaronHernandez-lm9fr who did you go through for the delete
I struggle with the hype over these ancient under powered diesel. Anything less than 15years old you’re looking at 200bhp + quite easily from European 2.0 diesels.
Davo G I own a 12v Cummins, it’s a great motor for sure. Information is readily available for literally every aspect of the engine, parts are easy to find, repair guides are easy to find, aftermarket support is endless. They are old, super heavy, and stock don’t make a lot of power. But I think the Cummins brand name, and just how easy of a platform it is to work on attracts a lot of people to it. But on the other hand I definitely know there are better options for diesel swaps, but people like to take the easy route too. And the 4/6bt is an “easy” route.
The other side is you guys are impressed with 20mpg? My 2.2 will do 60mpg and 140mph (not at the same time!)
Davo G I average 18-20 depending on where I drive, it’s a single cab / 2wd truck so that’s not too bad. If I’m hauling something depending on weight it might go down to 13 mpg. I don’t think the fuel mileage is bad considering the age and weight of the truck. However, small 4 cyl diesels like VW TDI get very impressive mpg, and I would love to own one.
@@davog1946 Your 2.2 won't be getting anywhere near those numbers in a 6000+ lbs truck.
Don’t drive stupid trucks then
My next boat will have a john Deere, not many people talk about them but I have friends with them and they are FANTASTIC and wet sleeved.
I'm a 2 stroke diesel guy I really like to put one in a newer modern bus to convert into a camper but also taking and making it a 6x6 also
My Nr1 pick as a german has to be the BMW N57. A 3l Straight 6, weighs around 485lbs and can make ~300hp and 515 ft lb torque just with a stage 1 tune on the stock single turbo. You can expect to get around 30 mpg
Thanks for being awesome. This brightened my day. You make the a better place.
The only diesel I own is the 4BT in my big woodchipper and it's been solid. Has 5,700 original hours and the only thing I've had to fix is the lift pump. Its actually how i found your channel years ago, looking for this exact video lol
Some counterpoints: the 4BT is known for better reliability than the Mercedes OM engines and a smaller package size than the Mercedes and Isuzu for applications that are tight on space.
However, I've done a p-pumped 4BT swap into a Wrangler and completely agree with everything else. It is over-hyped, heavy, expensive, and kind of a gutless turd without dumping some money into it.
The R2.8 is probably my next swap if I do another.
I just picked up 2 4bt’s for $1,500 each. I’m super pumped to be able to use them in some swaps coming up! Stay tuned!
Always only worked on them in generator applications, but I absolutely love Kubotas. They are easy to work on, reliable, and got used in lots of applications. Have a V2003T here that was fantastic. Up until the point where someone stored it for me for a year, and let rain get down the stack filling it with water. :(
Oh, and ironically, it was when I worked for Cummins (Onan) that I mainly work on Kubotas!
I have a lot of love for the isuzu 4h family of big 4 cylinders the 4he1 is a 4.8L in the gm cab overs. I maintain a fleet of them and the newer 5.2 4hk1s . The 4.8s are powerful and very simple. We only let one go out of service so far just because it was time to upgrade and the truck itself was clapped out. We upgraded it with a new isuzu which I don't know how great it's going to be. It has an aisin trans that we have already had issues with and also electrical issues
Toyota 1HDFT 4.2 24v 6 cylinder direct injection diesel with manual rotary pump, came in the 80 series Land Cruiser. There's also an electronic version (1HDFTE) that came in the 100 series. I don't know if you get them in Canada but in New Zealand and Australia they are legendary.
Here in Brazil,Ford offered the 4bt on the f-250,f-350,f-4.000 and some of the Cargo line and i think Vw trucks offered that engine too.So its weird to see how rare this engine is in america.
Eventually i want to build a 1980's square body crew cab chevy dually and put a 5.9 cummins into it and build a flat/ western hauler type of bed. But for now its only a dream.
Cummins did for a time build a 4b250 diamond series marine engine, was fitted with a P pump, intake heaters, monster turbo. Rated 250hp @3000 rpm they were a bit of a screamer and bits normally fell off them due to the vibration......I think they might of had balance shafts to cure this and possibly a different head, pistons etc for the extra power.
This is a really good video. After doing some research and stumbling on this video, it's really answered a lot of questions when it comes to this swap. I planned on swapping a 4bt into a 5th Gen 4Runner but I may go about a different route considering the price of 4bt's. 3 years after this video was made, prices haven't really dropped for them. I'd love to swing by your shop and pick your brain a bit considering you're less than an hour away from me.
my Octavia with a 1.9 diesel makes as much as a 4BT but it’s half the displacement and weighs much less, it’s a very smooth engine and is very fuel efficient
Thanks for sharing, very informative guidelines like old step side,rat rod info, tractor,outy,BMW, sorry to hear about Nissan Titan, it's really a nice truck... great dukes of hazard slide over hood... hey wheres daisy dukes and the old general Lee driving across country bad ass
Your remarks about 4BT vibration piqued my interest.
I installed two Onan/Cummins generator sets, a model 60DGCB and a 50DGCA with 60 KW and 50KW of output, respectively. Both are powered by Cummins 4BT industrial engines. The 60DGCB is a 1996 vintage, while the 50DGCA is a 1998. The 60DGCB vibrates so badly it breaks brackets and damages itself, while the 50DGCA is cotton flannel smooth. Both have Stanodyne injection pumps. Did the factory mis-balance the engine supplied in the 60DGCB? Was there a significant re-engineering of the engine between 1996 and 1998?
There was a guy that stuck one of these in a third-gen Camaro. His thoughts were the same: Great economy at close to 40 mpg, but it had absolutely no power at all.
My favorite would probably be a 4-53 Detroit swap into a squarebody Chevy partially because of the absurdity of it. I've seen a fellow that has done it and I would love to have one. I've been a fan of the old 2-stroke detroits for a long time especially the old 6-71 and 8v71's. For practical purposes it's hard to beat the good old 6bt cummins just from the amount of availability of engines, parts, and support all over the place for them. Of course it's hard to jam one of things into every platform due to the length. But that doesn't stop people.
Favorite diesel engine to swap? 12 valve cummins of course, that's why I'm putting one in a ford explorer 😉. Everyone tells me the 4bt would be better but like you said they're so dang expensive, I got a whole 5.9 parts truck engine and all for half what I could find the cheapest 4bt engine for. Plus having a parts truck makes a build MUCH cheaper and easier. More power, much cheaper, but very heavy of course
Love this "everything wrong" series, very informative.
I have a Om606 death kart and I love that thing its so easy to work on and get big power