Hurricane Flood Waters vs Camaro LS1 Engine. The Effects Of Salt Water
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2023
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I've been tearing down engines on camera for 2 and a half years! Search my channel to see what I've torn down. Here's a few recents:
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Today is a little different. Today we get a look inside an LS1 engine that was in hurricane Ian's storm surge in 2022. This 5.7L all aluminum v8 was in a 2002 Camaro Z28 with just 40k miles.
We tear this engine all the way down to see just how bad salt water is on the inside of an engine.
This was one of the toughest LS based teardown I've done, and took about 30% longer/more clips than most of my LS teardowns.
Why do I do this? My name is Eric and I own and run Importapart, a full service auto salvage business in Saint Louis, Missouri. Part of our model is dismantling core and blown up engines to salvage the good parts for resale. We do not rebuild engines, merely supply parts to those that do. You can expect a new teardown every Saturday evening!
I hope you enjoyed this video as always, I love all of the comments, feedback and even the criticism. Catch you on the next one!
-Eric - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Who knew? The trick to getting GM exhaust manifold bolts out without breaking any is to submerge the entire car in seawater.
Nature's WD40 😂
never knew that was a problem on the LT1 or LS1 engine.
Counter-intuitive, for sure.
Exhaust manifold bolts AND the dipstick!
Multi, dissimilar metals with an electrolyte connecting them all...many batteries and voltages.
who would have thought that watching a guy strip an engine down was way more interesting than anything professional program makers would put on tv
Watching these tear downs have been my favorite Saturday night pastime for almost 2 years now, thanks for the awesome content!
I look forward to these teardown videos on Sat evening. Bravo !!!!
omg same here!
Me too,
It’s the best date night,
Same!
Absolutely!!! Saturday night ritual here!
Had my boat sink overnight at the dock (bellows failed on the Mercruiser stern drive).
Raised the boat, pulled the plugs, drained the oil, cranked it, to blow all the water out of the cylinders, cleaned out the Q-Jet, new oil & filter, reinstalled the plugs.
Fired right up. Ran it for an hour, changed the oil again and fixed the bellows.
4 years later, still running strong!
I recently bought a 5.3 LMG block from you guys. And let me say I was so glad to see the Cam plate hardware come with it. Like you said they can nickel and dime you to death.
I'm restoring a Jeep now, and I am replacing a lot of bolts that I actually have because of general poor condition from being 30 years old. Bolts get expensive fast, especially when you need 3, and the smallest pack of pack of 10 is $12-15.
I have spent almost as much on miscellaneous hardware as I did that 6 pack of pistons.
My 16 year old daughter calls this channel “Dad ASMR”. I find that I struggle to argue the point.
Hurricane Ian made landfall right where I live. As a grown man that has seen it all Ian legitimately scared me to tears.
I though I was prepared.
I learned a LOT from Irma a few years previous.
No...
There is nothing that can prepare you for the howl of 150MPH winds in your back yard. Then, gusts...
When will it end?
Will my trees land on the house? Who knows but insurance is useless and just a formality. what about the storm surge? I am 7 streets from flood zone A. No water but the wind and flying debris was beyond words.
Image your home - so sacred and secure. Now strap it to a trailer and drag it to the Autobahn.
One year later it is still on my mind,
Venice resident here. And yeah Ian SUCKED!! I spent most of the time outside cleaning the culverts so that all the houses on our street didn't flood....
Several times the wind damn near took me off of my feet. 6' tall and 230lbs.
A 50 mph gust can knock you off your feet if you are not prepared. 150 mph has NINE TIMES as much force as 50.
I'm so glad you are okay. I was 10 years old, vacationing in Washington DC when Hurricane Agnes hit and it was traumatizing. We flew, and I remember the drive to the airport which was opening and closing but I remember most is seeing a father with water over his waist, holding his daughter above his head and trying to get to the opposite side of the street and into a building. I was 10 and I will never forget the look of fear in his face. I live in St. Louis where we have tornados. I really feel for you. It's one thing seeing it on TV, being in it is beyond description. Really glad you are okay.
@charlesjames1442 I was more worried about the huge oaks coming down and landing on me. I watched one about 18" in diameter snap in half about 20' off of the ground. It went right into my neighbors roof.
These are same oaks that were dumping crap into the culverts that were supposed to be draining our street. On the flip side they DO provide a pretty significant wind break.
But there were billowing columns of gusts you could SEE coming through the trees. You could also clearly hear them over the howling constant wind.
Different name (Michael instead of Ian, Panama City), same story. They clocked gusts up to 165. Every tree above a certain height was just snapped. EVERY. tree.
That day we learned what they meant when they talk about "it sounds like a freight train".
We had "nothing" for at least a week, except relief efforts. Many of our neighbors made it out far worse than us.
All of you, you have my sympathies, and I'm glad all of you have made it out of that okay, even if a little shaken.
As others here have pointed out, the white flecks/crust inside the motor is dried sea salt. This motor has seen Davy Jones' Locker.
I was not ready for you demonstration on how locked up the engine is😂
Vehcor has 'The Scream'. I Do Cars has 'The Waterpump Toss'. Look forward to hearing/seeing both!
Scott's scream and Eric's toss. Both worthy of a thumbs up!!
As someone that lives in Florida and went through many hurricanes including Ian I can smell this video.
As a sailor working on ships, I can smell it too.
That bilge water smell
Navy in the 80s on a diesel powered ship. I can smell it, too.
@@GeekBoyMN Gas turbine in the 80's for me. But those bilges.
@@boba1024 I started taking the GS book course but ended up discharged before finishing it. I did get to go aboard a Pegasus PHM in Little Creek in 84 and got to peek at the LM-2500.
When he mentions a part being good I always think he’s about to throw it across the shop
Yep... you know what's coming lol.
I think what appeals the most about your channel is how you show the real life struggles of being a salvage technician.
Eric,
Thank you for doing what you do and much respect for you as a person and an honest, hardworking business man.
Paul (in MA)
BTW RA lists replacement pistons for that engine at .010 (.25mm), .020 (.50mm), and .030 (.75mm) over
I’m from Louisiana, and I’m also part Boudreaux. I recognize that stuff on the pistons.
It’s French seafood dressing. Goes perfectly with crustaceans in your engine. 🦀 🦞
I was just thinking, this was engine pull from Spongebob, cause of all the barnacles everywhere.
@@th3R0b0t Mr Crabs approves. 😂
I have an LS1 from a 2004 GTO in my 1953 Chevy 3100. I love these engines! They're so easy to work on and they make great power. It's a shame it got destroyed.
If that block gets another lease on life, it needs to do it with a Salt Life sticker.
"Yarrrrr, I be full of barnacles!" -Pirate LS1
@ 18:00 you said "I'm sure there's a better tool for this"
Your right, wait to pull the lifters, take the timing cover off, cut or remove the chain and make a lever to turn the cam back and forth. The lifters will be easier to remove after being pushed up.
Came here to say the same
Good advice!
"I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers."
At 5:01
The white stuff under the intake manifold, on the valley cover, and possibly on the valves....
That's what sea salt looks like after the water it is in dries....that it's pretty much proof that it was submersed in seawater.
Yeah a mix of salt and minerals that are in sea water (it's actually a lot. I used to keep salt water fish and man keeping up with the mineral additives is a pain) and it's horrible for any metal.
@@davidmiller9485
I knew that there was other stuff in it, but wasn't totally sure what everything was....and most people reading the comments wouldn't understand, so I chose to leave it out.
@@montecorbit8280 :) I wasn't trying to correct, just add.
Curious question...... if you put your ear up to the intake plenum ... do you hear the Ocean ? Just wondering 😂
The voice pitch changes are the best about these tear downs. Literally can’t expect the timing
As Eric said, if the car has been in floods, immediately dump the oil, pop the plugs, dry out the cylinders and fill them with penetrating oil, start and run couple rounds of fresh oil thru engine, let the engine warm up to evaporate any moisture out of the block, finally dump the oil and fill with fresh oil and coolant. The main thing is not to let water sit in the engine longer than few days.
One of the issues being, if the car's been submerged the chances of it starting in the first place are close to zero.
When my father's boat sank, he did this exact thing. Engines ran fine afterward.
Unfortunately it's not just the engine. The electronics need to be cleaned thoroughly as well.
Great teardown. thought there would be more problems getting the steel bolts out of the aluminum block after the saltwater emersion. Saturday night just ain't right without IDC!
That was my thought too upon watching, thankfully most did not put up much of a fight, thankfully.
Maybe sea salt or the amount of it in salt water has less corrosive elements than the rock salt they put on the roads. After all, the salt that we consume is sea salt, not rock salt.
Working at a Chevy dealership in southwest Florida. We saw a lot of this. Especially since the eye of Ian passed right over us. Was a wild experience to go through
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Perfect video timing for the end of LS fest in Bowling Green.
That's a perfect block for making a table. Thanks for another great teardown!
I haven't watched the video yet but I'm dropping this comment anyways. I absolutely love this channel.
I had Hurricane Wilma move over my home; the sound of the wind was like a million demons circling the house, shrieking non-stop for hours. It could drive a sane person mad, it was terrifying.
I died at 6:33
I knew it what was gonna happen but you never cease to deliver creative humor 😂 😂 😂 😂
Another great teardown. Thanks for my Saturday night entertainment Eric.
I love seeing parts after the parts washer
I sold a Subaru XT6 to Copart in central GA last month. If you want to tear down Subaru's first 6 cylinder (nothing wrong with it, just unable to get some parts to keep it running and the body wasn't good enough to be worth the expense) you may be able to get it from them.
The dipstick tube coming out easy was the tickle. The last lifter was the slap! 😬
I watch your videos every Saturday. Except today because I worked last night. I'm a caregiver and doing hospice shifts with a very nice lady and it's so sad. But here I am, at home, cooking Italian beef and making jewelry doing "girly" things and watching an engine teardown lol. I got traumatized decades ago when my mom purposefully didn't take care of her car (it was washed and immaculate but she never checked the fluids) because her friend had a bigger town car. My dad's car was in the shop so he needed to drive her car and tap tap tap. I thought his head was going to explode. When he went in the kitchen to ask her if she ever checked the oil (in the days of full-service filling stations) and she smirked at him and said it wasn't her job OMG. Not going into the rest but I tried to run away from home with my brother that day. They were crazy. And I vowed I would NEVER let anything like that happen to my car. Even though the idea of it was a bit scary to me. Don't know why but it was. But I made myself learn everything I could so even if I can't fix it, I understand what's going on and I can do a better job of describing the issue and so I don't get taken to the cleaner by a bad mechanic (luckily I haven't had a bad mechanic in many many years). But your tear downs have such great information and helpful. Thank you for taking the trauma out of all this. First time in decades I haven't had nightmares. Plus I love your humor. So you have some women who's probably old enough to be your mom, watching your engine teardowns every Saturday (or in this case Sunday). Keep chuckin' those water pumps lol
"It's either going to come out or it's not" there has never been a more profound statement udder by humans in the entire existence of the universe. Bravo my good man... bravo
Sometimes the bad ideas are what get stuff done.all us mechanics know this!!
I watched a CZcams video about a retrieval of a speedboat from the, at that time, dried up part of Lake Mead. It had been submerged for about 30 years and discovered when the water level dropped. Luckily made of fiberglass the boat was in surprisingly good condition, although full of dried up mud. After a somewhat difficult retrieval it was taken back to to a garage to be cleaned and the plans were to replace the V8 engine as the motor was thought to be a write off being full of water. However when they dismantled the engine and cleaned it out they found it still in good condition inside. Apparently the oil had protected all the parts and being so far down in the water the cold and lack of oxygen had stopped it rusting. When it was all cleaned and put back together amazingly it fired right up and ran perfectly so it just goes to show not every engine full of water is a write off, just most of them.
The amount of corrosion here is amazing. Granted it was salt water but it probably wasn't underwater for more than a few days. In contrast, go watch Merlin's Old School Garage, episode Yellow Submarine Engine Starts Up. That engine spent 30 years, 150 ft down on the bottom of Lake Mead and they got it running. Shows the contrast of saltwater vs fresh.
I have to thank you for making me say "Penetrator" in a super low voice every time I spray some on something now lol
Your video reminded me I need to go to the beach this week. All that saltwater made me miss it.
I just built my very first Lc9 engine. I am a old school Chevy engine person and I must say, after doing my due diligence on them, it really wasn't that bad! I can see why everyone is migrating to LS engines for race cars. Cheap and actually really easy to build! I wish I seen this episode before I built this one but it explains so much! Thanks for the awesome and In depth content!
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Thanks for the "Henna Color At All" reference!
When you pulled the oil pan off, I held my breath. LOL.
Somehow ive managed to never see an LS teardown before, I can see why people like the design its very straghtforward looks easy to work on.
I had an 89 Cadi Deville that I drove through standing water with. It sucked water through the intake and hydrolocked the engine. I had it towed home, immediately took all the plugs out and engaged the starter to pump the water out. I put new plugs in it, drained the oil and replaced the oil and filter, and drove it from then on with no issues. I think it had the 4.9 liter v8. The car still ran when I eventually junked it.
It looks like you got yourself a brand new 4 legged fan. My new kitten is an absolute Duracell bunny, but whenever I'm watching your videos, his eyes are glued to the screen.
Loving this channel! You make "penetrator'" sound so bad. it made me LOL. I have told my adult kids, my mom, & friends about this channel. The more I watch the more I know they will enjoy it as much as I do!
TY! Very cool. It’s great to see a wider variety!
Thanks for another great video Eric!!!
Eric man, we don't care what kind of destruction there is. You make em all interesting! Ps love the scrapyard rescue
Very interesting to see, thank you as always for my Sunday afternoon (in Australia) chill session
It's funny to me that this video was posted on the same weekend that Holley LS Fest was going on in Bowling Green, KY. 😂
Thanks Eric. Have a good weekend...
Another great teardown video, thanks for sharing 👍.
This was a good one!!!
An interesting thing to note here is, The condition of the castings after a flood took place... Years ago an experienced hot-rodder told me how some people who raced vehicles, used to bury castings and forgings under the dirt for several weeks to purposely cause surface corrosion....Then they would freshen them up with bead blasting and machining them as necessary, to bring them back to factory specs. Why????
Because that corrosion did something to those castings/forgings that uncorroded/clean & new castings/forgings never had done to them, up until that point... The corrosion on the external surfaces actually RELIEVED much of the internal stress's that were created during the intense rapid heating & cooling during the casting/forging process... The parts that did not have the surface corrosion, caused the castings & forgings to become hard & brittle, & more prone to cracking/breaking...
However the stress relieved parts became more flexible and less prone to developing cracks... Stronger, because of the increased flexibility... AKA 'Seasoning' of casted and forged shapes of several designs that are made of various types of metals... Eric, you just might have a veritable treasure chest of 'Seasoned' Chevy parts in Your midst... Just saying Amigo.
One of the GM dealerships, I did work for a few years back. Guy had his truck towed in said is 6.0L blew up while he was driving on the freeway. The mechanic who was doing the work was a friend of mine. He pulled up the freeze frame data showing the guy was in second gear and at redline when the engine said goodbye. Guy had to pay out of pocket for another used 6.0L No warranty. For some reason this video reminded me of that. My friend passed away a year and a half ago from kidney failure. Miss him.
You can take a bolt that fits snugly into the end of the dipstick. Clamp a rounded-jaw vise-grip on the dipstick just under the head of the bolt Now, use a hammer to tap - okay, in some cases pound - the dipstick up and out. Jimmy.
If I had been able to score that engine for free, I wouldn't hesitate to rebuild that engine. I would take the time to scrub every part down, soak what needed to be soaked in 'evap-o-rust' , and simply recondition everything until it was usable again. A dirt cheap , elbow grease , no-budget rebuild. Steel wool , emery cloth , brass wire brushes , PB B'laster and paper towels , lots of it. It would be a thing of pride and joy to get it running again.
Thanks - this was a great video. I love when we see definitive answers to what we normally would make guesses about. 😊
Thanks for the content Eric.
Hi Eric, another great teardown, just good to see much less rusted than expected. I can say that a few rust pits in the bore will not effect the running, the pits will hold oil and eventually fill with carbon. Of course there is a limit to how deep or wide the pit. But as you say is rebuilding the engine worth it, with labour costs, parts, a new cam and lifters. Just the cleaning up of the crank would take a day or so. Thank you and keep up the good work. Look after your family. Ted from down under.
Really enjoyed this teardown version. Interesting to see the effects of time and a corrosive environment.
Thank you Eric, for showing us some of what happens when cars get flooded. I think it's great to show tear downs of all levels of destruction, goods, bads, and uglies. Knolage and learning is power.
Really interesting video Eric. 👏👏👏
Another great fun video, and although it was definitely destroyed I am actually surprised it wasn't worse.
Thanks again Eric, your videos are one of my favourite parts of the weekend. :)
Good change of pace video!
That didn't look nearly as bad as I thought it would. I've seen engines that have been sitting and filled up with water, those cylinders looked like brake discs after sitting for a month. I kinda expected this engine to be one solid block of rust!
It's aluminum.
That blocks toast. Great commentary Eric.
PENERTRATOR 🤣🤣🤣 I'm 45 years old, and that cracks me up every single time
Working on a tear down, regardless of the source of the damage, I like it. Keep 'em coming.
Love watching you guys
at 35:05 you really bring good meaning to the phrase "everything has a hammer end" cheers!
Paul from Fab Rats and his cousin Merlin, from Merlin's Old School garage did a series on an engine they took out of a boat that had been submerged for I forget how long; a decade, maybe. Anyway, submerged in 30 feet of water.
The drought that lowered the lakes in Arizona and the rest of the Southwest seems to be over, but it expossed that boat on the lake bed (Powell, maybe).
The amazing thing is that they got it running, with very little effort.
For the better part of 30 years at the bottom of Lake Powell
2:44 you're almost not kidding on that.
As a fellow that has salvaged marine engines that have gone down with the boat. The trick is if it is under water keep it under water until disassembly this keeps the oxygen from causing corrosion. Once the engine is exposed to the air for any length of time that is where the damage occurs. The bad part of keeping the engine submerged for any length of time is electrolysis that occurs between dissimilar metals the galvanic reaction between Nobel and less noble metals. So bottom line it is a time thing. It can wait for a while submerged a few weeks at most then the galvanic damage starts
I Start every Sunday with a cup of Coffee and watching you take apart a engine Thank you.
A scrapper just pulled a bunch of old Lincoln/Ford TCs and Vics out of a building that pretty much had no roof on it. The newest plate sticker showed 2002..All of them had 302s. A couple were left in there with their hoods open. I've never seen every aluminium component turn to dust before. Piles of it in the engine bays. Some of them looked like they were resting with the Titanic. Water, air and time...
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing it with us!
I can't believe I had to wait this long to hear you say tap tap taparoo 🤣
Very interesting tear down..
I actually learned quite a bit from this video, great job!
Including piston gravity, lol
Interesting how certain areas were straight up growing rust barnicles and other parts didn't look too bad.
Great work Eric! Love your videos! Still hoping you can tear down a 1.8 out of a 2016 Chevy Sonic, and a 2.4 SRT4 engine out of a 2003 PT Cruiser GT that has the aluminum intake setup on it. As usual another great video!
Those weighted IR sockets are very helpful during a lot of different scenarios and work well if you are careful not to round off old bolt heads.
Thank you Eric! 👍
Thank you Eric.
We all meet again! Thanks for the great content
Thank you for the correct pronunciation of "carAmel".
4:53 looks like thermite looking for a good time 🤣
15:53 sticky or stuck rusty things love hot candle wax, and the rust acts like a wick sucking the wax up in the the areas of issue and lubricates it greatly
It's not easy to maintain a toddler's attention, certainly enjoyed this one
I like this video in that it showed how flooding damages engines internally. Great vid.
Thanks again, Eric.
I lived on the water while I was growing up in Wildwood NJ. It's not tropical by any stretch but that constant exposure to salt water would corrode things you don't see corroded anywhere but in coastal areas. Back in the day we had these things called pay phones, which were on just about every street, the boardwalk etc... and even though they were never under water the chrome bits of those phones, like the door to thing that held all the quarters would have corrosion pits where the chrome would be pulled up. The ones on the boardwalk were always FUBAR even the aluminum on the phone booths (glass paneled green house torture devices that were your only option for privacy with a pay phone) would have aluminum fuzz growing on it and pits. So yeah seawater is no joke
Very interesting! I learned a lot.
To be honest, I have been in several Hurricanes, and I was always curious as to what the engine would look like if you tore it apart. Now I know. Thank You.
I enjoy the scattered Three Stooges references. Grew up on those
I do cars, I do cars, best Saturday night show ever.
Thanks for this video. I have always wondered what kind of a mess could be found in a flooded engine. Probably best to pass and chase a better core.