MSI GT77HX TITAN - This is how you cool a laptop!!
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- The MSI GT77HX Titan is the laptop to beat for 2023.
It has 4 DIMM slots and 3 mx2 SSD slots plus cooling that makes the Alienware m16 and M18 weep.
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Specs:
17.3" 4K 3840x2160 @144Hz, mini LED HDR 1000, DCI-P3 100%
13th Gen Intel Raptor Lake Core i9-13980HX, 24 cores, 36MB,
nVidia RTX 4080 12GB GDDR6 Max-P 175w
64GB DDR5 5600 MHz/PC5 44800 (32G X 2) Dual-Channel
2TB PCIe NVMe SSD (OS)
HDMI 2.1
Cherry MX Mechanical Keyboard per-Key RGB
Killer Wi-Fi 6E AX1690i + Bluetooth 5.3
2X Thunderbolt 4
15.63"x 12.99"x 0.91"
6.82 lbs 4 cell (99.9Whr)
Windows 11 Pro 64bit
Timeline:
00:00 Intro and Find the Geek competition
01:39: Panel
02:40 HDR
02:55 Ghosting
03:13 Thermals, clock rates, power and fan noise
04:22 underside air intakes & a look inside/ battery life
05:31 Air intakes above keyboard & chassis temperatures
05:45 Keyboard and Trackpad
06:23 Webcam
06:54 Ports
07:36 Power brick size vs GE78HX
07:45 Weight
08:34 Gaming performance and benchmarks
09:43 Conclusion:
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those internals are INSANE
Totally!
definitely compact compared to desktop replacements not too long ago. I remeber ack then the GT75 titan with double 1080 was such a crazy design, it needed two power bricks and was over 5cm thick when closed
Very true indeed. Needing those two bricks was insane
Yeah, but you have to remember that laptop was cooling close to 2x what this laptop is cooling. It was cooling 300w of GPU heat with an OC'd CPU. Of course you're gonna need 2 bricks because the GPU's were that power hungry.
And don't forget we also had the aorus x9 pro, which was just 3.6kg for a 17' laptop that packed dual 1070's in SLI. And it was just $3600. So that laptop actually weighed less than this.
If anything these new laptops are just disappointing. And most of that is likely nvidia's fault for limiting their GPU's so much on laptop
Damn that's nice
Amazing, super laptop!! Love the way it cools. I really want to get this laptop of my life. It will take years, to get this price down at a reasonable rate.
When the next batch of updated laptops arrive the price will be slashed...probably by at least $1000
Gsync or freeSYNC is there ? is there any lag in games? Are there any crashes or stuttering ?
Hey 👋 can you please suggest laptops for blender and other 3d rendering tasks, when all the upcoming laptos are released this year?
I recommend a laptop with the Ryzen 9 7945hx so that limits it to Alienware, Legion and Asus
I could connect with you sir!
Such a good guy you are!!!
Thanks you!
@OWNORDISOWN please answer, for the m16 there is an option to put AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX , is cpu gonna be still same hot?
Hello, did you ever get your hands on benchmarking tracer7 with gp2? Kept scrolling in your videos and could not find it
Hey, I've had to RMA the Tracer vii twice. First time was because the speakers did not work. The second was a kernel power 41 error. I tried new RAM, new SSD with fresh windows install. I just sent it back so I expect my third unit to come back in about 2 weeks. I did run tests and it is probably the fastest 4080 so far. It ran cool and fairly quiet.
Mechanical keyboard is good, but clicky. Windows hello and advanced optimus was good. Webcam 720p, not great.
Chris should be finished with the gp2 soon, that review will be up any day now.
I spent alot of time troubleshooting that Tracer vii. And it cost me $140 to send back for the second time...
Would you recommend for roughly £2800 with following specs GT77HX-008ES 64 GB RAM NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 i9-13980HX 2 TB 2 TB SSD?
Having a weird issue with mine.. this weird click from internal speakers or headphones, randomly, and only maybe 5% of the time. When it happens, it ruins gameplay or video sound. Playing back the same identical bit of video (for example) after it goes away shows zero clicks at all. It's coming from the on board sound card in other words, and it's random as hell.
I am hoping it is a fixable sound driver issue. But I am not sure and 4 days of sleuthing thus far leaves me none the wiser.
Did anything like that ever happen on your test unit Stephen?
Thanks very much in advance.
I DID downgrade to Bios 05 cause it allows the cpu to run unrestricted. The latest 2 releases have capped the cpu to 120w even without any gpu load. I have gone from 70 degrees and 3.7ghz on P cores to 4.7ghz then 95 degrees and a settle at around 4.5ghz during cinebench. I'd rather have that. Test scoring shows 20% of performance being left on the table with new bios!
I would prefer this than Alienware due the fact that the motherboard isn't inverted and it's alot cooler too
Me too, if only it were cheaper...
Great video as always! I'm in the market for a new laptop so I've been doing my research. Do you have any plans for reviewing the Clevo X370SNW-G? I've been looking around for reviews, but there doesn't seem to be many posts around on it or at least nothing as detailed and hands-on as your reviews.
I'm currently using an Eluktronics Max 17, which has been a world of issues over the last few years. I'm ready to toss it and hopefull return to Clevo. I actually bought my last Clevo P870TM-G because of your review and it was the best laptop experience I've had.
I was also considering the MSI GE78HX but with their recent data breach and extra cost... I'm not sure that I want to?
Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Well, as luck has it I have an x370 Clevo arriving tomorrow 👌
@OWNorDisown Nice! I'm looking forward to it.
I'm really hoping it performs well as I'd love to get a 4090 laptop without a bunch of RGB in my face at a good price point. The only other laptops that halfway fit that description are the Razer Blade models but boy do they cost a pretty penny.
I can only hope for good thermals and power from the x370.
@ThrillComplex it looks like a really good system. Hidevolution will tweak its performance. I'm thinking I might do a live stream review. I'll do some pre-reveal benchmarks for comparison and then test thermals, panel, speakers, fan noise etc live.
@OWNorDisown That's awesome. I'm hoping I can catch the stream! I was definitely checking out HIDEvolition again, I had a great experience with them for my last Clevo. I was recommended to give Digital Storm a try as they come with a 3 year warranty included on the base price, but I'm not sure how reliable they are?
One thing I noticed was that HID was offering 5600 DDR5 upgrades, but it seems the laptop can only run at 5200MT/s max. Have they been able to tweak it to run at 5600MT/s? It's a shame we don't have the Prema bios anymore. That would have been fantastic with these new laptops!
@ThrillComplex yes, that is a shame. I'll have to check with Prema if he has stopped doing work with Hidevolution. I know he is working with Eluktronics.
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I bought this exact model, Its a beast. I think laptops are still really in a 1440p spot for max frame performance, and this does just that. I barley notice a crisper difference in 4k games on a 17" screen anyway. The 4090 version for 1000 bucks more didnt really strike me as worth it, being the only games im playing in 4k are gunna have to support DLSS frame gen anywyay- even with the 4090 to be worth it. The extra cash buying the 4080 scored me a higher refresh gsync monitor and peripherals. I take my laptop to work everyday and productivity tasks are a joke. If you dont need portability daily, you definitely dont need this level of laptop - but its user case scenario. And thermals are really important to me (my prior alienware almost burned up in flames running at a constant 100 degrees)
Hi Jeremy, glad you like it as much as I did :) Best one I have tested thus far this year.
How has the cooling held up? I’m an abuser to PCs working in Unreal Engine full time. I have an insane desktop, but my last MSI GS 75 Stealth fried from heat in 8 months. I am curious to buy this laptop, just I fear frying it like my last one
What type of bag are you using to transport your titan gt77?
Amazing cooling. Your CPU will barley hit low 80's in max load @@Aero3D
long time no see😊😊
Aye, couple of weeks I guess. Been busy doing stuff round the house. Plumbing and later this week laying lots of sod
I wish you make a review of the HP Omen 17 with the 4000 series.
Lot's of good reviewers out there. Here is a good reviewer reporting on the Omen 4090 laptop. czcams.com/video/XnSJXwVmJ5k/video.html
I still have an HP laptop they sent me ages ago. As soon as I bang that one out and return it I'll ask for one
No doubt it's a god laptop available on market atm. But why RJ on right side rather than back?
Because the back is reserved for the large heatsink. No ports round the back at all.
Sounds like Msi have nailed it, im going to wait till the price comes down, great review .....
Thanks! Yes, it is a great laptop. Probably the best one I have tested this year. I'm sure the price will drop. The economy isn't great and most people cannot afford paying over $4k...
Someone on Reddit made a point about how MSI rarely has G-sync on ANY their laptops, let alone advanced optimus. I wonder why that is considering they aren't exactly a budget brand.
I could even see why they wouldn't have it on like a 4050 laptop, but not having it on this or the Raider or the Stealth seems insane considering the $ spent.
Yes, it is daft. That being said, in dGPU mode I don't see tearing on my GE77HX with 240Hz display. Switch to hybrid and it sucks big style
@@OWNORDISOWN I seem to have tearing on dgpu on my titan but I havent really had issues in hybrid with vsync. However, I have a G sync 165htz 1440p monitor I swap to the dgpu on and thats a killer experience.
@Jeremy Matthew yes, I had tearing on my Titan too. 144 hz no vsync/gsync. I think you need more like 240hz to make it better or like you say use vsunc or an external monitor
@@OWNORDISOWN Agree. I think most people would not buy this laptop on top of a high end gaming desktop, so for me, buying the external gysync display solves my use cases. I do wish they included gsync though considering far cheaper ASUS 4060 laptops have it!!
Monstrous level of performance and framework with monstrous level of price
Lol. Yep, very expensive!!
Your reviews are so thorough and well paced. Love it!
Thanks, appreciate it!!
@@OWNORDISOWNr
Great job covering this beast.
Man it's pricey as heck for $4300. You could actually buy a car (used obviously) for that amount of cash.
It's a nice laptop though I like it at least
Thanks! Yeah, totally crazy price. My wife would kill me if I bought one. Its a good family vacation!
@@OWNORDISOWN
Great job surpassing 71.3k subscribers. Keep it up.
@iamdalibor thanks mate. I'm still catching up the ones I lost. I was losing 100 a month for 2 years after my laptop give away competition..
Darn, there is no need for max fan speed 🤣 Nice review as always. But... yikes, the price is... ouch, however considering it has lots of cooling and NVMe M.2 slots, 4 DIMM slots and much more... you pay for top end but still, of course it is out of the reach for many people.
Thanks Matej! Yes, it is certainly an enthusiast laptop with a price to match. Best one i have tested so far.
the fan noise is like you have a Fan on the 3 setting blowing in your room idk how Msi agreed that its ok for it to be this loud
You don't need to activate cooler boost, plus you can create your own fan curve to suit...
@@OWNORDISOWN Yeah Nevermind i take back what i said I Ran the Resident Evil 4 Remake along some other Triple A titles including cyberpunk 2077 On All Ultra Settings and the Games Run As smooth As Butter in 4K Also Granted its a 4090 Soo With the performance and Temps im getting i will simply Turn my Headphone Volume Up to do away with the Fan noise Gaming On this Laptop is Seriously mesmerizing Its the best Panel ive ever seen
for that price I would go for watercooled laptop...Simply because they are silent under load.
Of course, it's not all about the cooling. It's the 3 m2 slots, 4 DIMM slots, 4k mini LED display. It is still over priced though, someone heeded my advice and got $400 off at Microcenter
Great review as usual stephen! Although I don't think a rtx 4080 with a meager 12gb of vram is justifiable for $4300. Even at $3300 its not worth it really. The vram amount and its lack of performance hurts it quite a bit. It lacks the performance and vram to handle 4k properly. And thats just pathetic.
Of course thats not MSI's fault, but more so nvidia's. Wish we could give nvidia a bigger backlash because MSI's done a good job with this laptop.
Thanks Eric! Yes, it is definitely overpriced . I have started to see laptops come down in price though. At Microcenter the 4090 version of the Scar 17 with 7945hx , 64GB RAM, 2TB ssd is $2900. There was an open box for $2400..
@@OWNORDISOWN Now that seems far more reasonable, because the rtx 4090 is the real rtx 4080 on laptops. Just wish these prices come down in the rest of the world. Because AMD and Nvidia only put focus on the US market regarding GPU prices and laptop prices.
For example in the UK its about 3500 pounds (~$4000) and in India its about $4000 as well. In Germany its about 4000 euros. Etc. Generally these rtx 4090 laptops go for 4000 USD globally which is completely unacceptable for such a lackluster GPU.
as cool and pretty this laptop is, it feels kinda sad that its m.2 slots has been reduced from 4 to 3 slots due to enlarged cooling pipes and the overall performance gap compared to its previous generation (as for the ram slots its more than I can ever use in current daily use)...
Each to their own I think for the entry level or budget range would be lenovo LOQ series with up to 4060 gpu and usb c PD function, for mid range would be the Asus TUF A 2023 series with both USB4 & TB4, usb c PD function (140w) & up to 4070 gpu and lastly the Gigabyte Aorus 17X 2023 model with 4090 gpu that cost much less than the MSI GT77HX Titan 2023 model... any chances of reviewing either the 15 or 16 inch model of the Asus TUF A 2023 series ?
Yes, it is a shame. My video files and games take up so much space storage is a premium for me.
@@OWNORDISOWN in my local area the titan model would be around 5.6 g pounds... Will it kill them just to squeeze in a m.2 slot since paying that much money just for that...
@@drifter4training very true 👍
honestly, on a $5500, 7.3lb laptop, it better be the absolute top of the line in every way. outstanding cooling should a bare minimum requirement. and tbh, the $2800 legion i bought gets the same temps with LM/PTM and a vapor chamber. if titan a vapor chamber, the temps would be even better imo, the large size would allow for a pretty big chamber that would cool extremely well. disappointed its just heat pipes.
Whats the specs on your Legion?
This shows that a vapor chamber isn't needed. My Legion 7 with 5800H and 3070 had a vapor chamber and it was super hot. True, at $4300 it is too expensive, and it's probably quite niche , but there is no other that offers upto 128GB RAM. The Alienware m18 and m16 have 4 x m.2 slots but they run very hot. I have the Legion 7i pro to review, looking forward to it.
@@OWNORDISOWN i have the m16 and temps are only at around 70-85 for both Gpu and Cpu. Mines must have been pasted very well 😅
@@OWNORDISOWN Hey stephen, could you make a comparison with some of the past gaming laptops, particularly from pascal?
I find the aorus x9 pro from 2017 incredibly impressive since it weighed 3.6kg and packed dual 115w gtx 1070's and an OC'd i7 7820hk. That makes it weigh less than most of these 18' laptops and cool more GPU power.
@@siyzerix hey Eric, yes. I was planning on doing one with a 1060 and 1080
What's the issue with 1 percent lows with 13th gen
I'm wondering if its because of the 32 threads?
fuckin hell this is some good cooling what. how is that possible
i would expect that for a $4000+ laptop lol
It has plenty of surface area in those heatsinks and 4 good fans. No inverted motherboard to stifle the air intakes like the Alienware m18.
@@OWNORDISOWN can you run tests without the bottom cover on? I suspect the air intake is limited with so little holes under the laptop
@@LCJammer u d be surprised to know lots of expensive products are actually shit, especially laptops
@@ishimarumasaki1998 this and the Alienware's have gone back. Next up is the 3D Helios 300 and then Legion 7i pro.
hey steve im thinking of putting a 4090 in my pc you think that is a good idea?
Hey Zay. Depends what resolution monitor you have. I think even at 2560 x 1400 the 10900K will bottleneck it. Might as well get a 4080 and save some money. I would say you would need at least 3440 x 1440 for the 4090.
@@OWNORDISOWN ok but i think i might have to get a new psu
@@OWNORDISOWN i have a 1080p monitor but might upgrade
@@zayplayog upgrade to a higher resolution panel? I do have an Omen 27c I can sell. 240hz 2560 x 1440
@@zayplayog I have an evga 1000w that I don't use. Is that powerful enough?
If it had G-Sync and a faster screen response time, I would actually pony up the cash. I'd just do it as it would be the perfect desktop replacement. But it doesn't. I really think they should have gone OLED or just IPS like Razer cause you can't have ghosting like this in an expensive gaming laptop. It does fail latencymon badly though. Another note on that, this will make games more likely to have stutter and audio dropouts.
MSI are tight arses:
SD card speed is UHS 1. In 2023. Crazy.
Webcam is 720P. Silly.
Things like this. They refuse to pay G-Sync bios unlock fee BUT they are the only manufacturer in 2023 doing this. ALL other main brands have advanced optimus this year which includes G-Sync. It really does put me off. The Razer has decent cooling also, the issue is artificial. For example under 100% combined cpu and gpu load, the razer is only at 79c on p cores but it's stuck at 40 watts. They could do 95 degrees like any sane manufacturer and probably do 80W on the CPU. When GPU isn't loaded you can overlock it and get 31K in cinebench and hit over 130W. Silly Razer. They have a stupidly low cpu power limit for no apparent reason. It would clearly be the better laptop if this wasn't the case.
And cheaper. You don't say that often about a Razer LOL.
Only difference with GT77 in OZ vs yours is we get 4Tb of SSD in all models. I saw a GT77 4090/4TB/64GB on a flash sale at a large chain retailer for 7.2K AUD but it sold within minutes. And the computer stores have them from 8999 to 9995. Crazy.
Edit, we can't get the QHD here.
Yeah, I don't know why Razer are super conservative. They always have been. No Gysnc and 144Hz on this GT77 kills it for gaming. Shame, because otherwise it is great. So which one are you going for, that Clevo?
@@OWNORDISOWN I am ok with 144HZ, I mean it's 4K after all and even the 4090 will struggle making use of that at 4K. It only really matters for competitive players who probably want a 360hz 1080P panel anyway. The issue is the response time, it's awful. Jarrod did a table of it and on certain transitions it's shocking.
I am more than happy to play any game at 120 FPS locked (if it can even get there at ultra settings) and is what I do on my 165hz Legion with 1600P. And even then I often have to enable DLSS. SO again, not an issue for me. I often even play some games at 60 locked with RTSS simply to make the laptop dead quiet. Razer can fix this with an update and it will really make it stand out. They do a proper UHS2 card reader, good cam with IR, only gen 2 OR thunderbolt ports, no gen 1 crap, 5 of them to boot, and the screen is flawless. Every review so far has gotten it in the high 500 nits but 3.4 average response time which is superb, and I have never had a Razer with a lot of bleed, they give you a good panel cause you pay top dollar.
I didn't like the Legion 7 this year but just found out about the custom unlocked mode which gives it performance on par with the GT77. The issue is, 6 grand for 4090 version with just 1TB of SSD, 32GB ram, plastic touch pad, no rear lights anymore on ports, no Windows hello of any kind. Ridiculous. And that's with current $1500 off!
Metabox have offered Jarrod a review unit of that Clevo and he has declined, and they are upset cause they helped get his channel off the ground in the early days. I am upset too, that's ridiculous. I mean it's hard to take the risk when there's no review out there, in English too, that benchmarks it properly. I wonder if they'd be willing to send one to the US, would you want to review it?
@@teddym2808 I would review it if they sent one...If Hidevolution or GentechPC have it I can ask for one...Can you check? I have the Legion 7i pro to review. Didn't know about the custom power mode? Can you send me details?
@@OWNORDISOWN It's all in Jarrod's review of the pro 7i. You have to enable the manual mode in vantage and max out all the sliders.
@@teddym2808 ah, so nothing out of the ordinary. Thought there was a special BIOS, lol.
i loved my gt77 until it turned a red hue
Wow. I assume they replaced it?
@@OWNORDISOWN planning to get it again from gentech or xioticpc, that’s gonna be the hardest decision for me, which one do you recommend?
@@OWNORDISOWN I ended up getting a sale @ micro center for $400 off
@@MrBca009 Great Britt! Thats what I was saying, prices will come down :)
What do you mean red hue? I’m about to buy the 4090 version and a bit worried given my last MSI laptop fried after 8 months (gs 75 stealth, I learned my lesson with thin laptops)
Way too overpriced even with the great cooling system, plenty of 4080 laptops around $2.5k that can get over 95% of the way there
Most definitely. It's $1000 too expensive really.
My goodness... This price... Sheeeeeeeeesh...
LOL, I know right? Its like the price of 2 laptops!
As a person who had to deal with various mediocre trash models from Lenovo's Legion line (flimsy garbage like 5 Pro/7i) - this MSI model looks miles above in terms of usable options and engineering design, from the type of display (Lenovo still can't bother to use anything except old edge-lit displays even in their most expensive Legion models) to cooling system to things like keyboard (MSI's laptop keyboards are my favorite) and top-firing speakers. But $5000 is still too much even for this.
I agree 100% it is too expensive. I'm sure they will come down. Like I said, Microcenter has $500 off the GE78HX, so I'm sure the GT77HX will follow. MSI is just too expensive at the moment.