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"Having sex with other man was still bad but it was like pushing against an older woman on a bus- at one point you need to get off" I LITERALLY CHOCKED
As well, it’s a profession that fits pretty well for gay men. If the society at large is unwelcoming to homosexuality, there still needs to be an outlet for homosexuality. I would guess this is where families would encourage gay men to go if they aren’t going to deny themselves, or if the parents are particularly loving and want the young man to have a “happy” (as happy as it could be) life.
I actually had several Korean male acquaintances in my life that told me that same point of view still exists today in Korea. They said that a lot of young guys in their 20s fool around and have sex with their male friends (both participants are of the same age, not older-younger like in this video) but then after completing their military service (which every man is required to do by the time he's 30 years of age), they are expected to come home and "settle down" with a woman and have a family. It was quite a big shock to me because then I asked "doesn't that mean they're just gay and getting married to women because being gay is not acceptable in their society?" but they said that it's not seen as being gay, it's just letting off steam and getting sexual pleasure with other men while you're young whereas having a real romantic relationships with men is frowned upon. And especially after the man grows up (after 30) it's seen as really weird if you're still attracted or wanting sex with other men instead of women.
Lmao, so, the guys in the navy are screwing each other until they have the chance to get their feet on dry land again......that's just called being horny and trapped with a bunch of dudes for months on end.
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos - Oh yeah, it happens all over the world, it's just well hidden. Even in my country the Philippines, there used to be several videos circulating of men screwing each other. This was years ago, so they got removed from service for indecency, however, nowadays I'm not sure if they're more tolerant of it.
I find that ridiculous,you can have sex as a man ,with another man and even in some cases , they have hidden relationship, but when older and engage in that same relationship ,is considered wrong and frowned upon, hhhhh, yeah right.
"when your step sister gets stuck under the bed, no. Your supposed to pull your step sister out of her predicament..... And then sleep with he-" that cut was amzing
Yeah, before the Meiji Period, they didn't shame any sex act like the West did. Sexual pleasure was seen as good. Laws were more concerned with social stability than particular sex acts. e.g. adultery was illegal because of the conflict it created within the household rather than because sleeping with someone other than your spouse was inherently bad. Laws were also not that concerned with male-male sex, because there was no risk of pregnancies interfering with inheritance rights.
@@GFHCyan What we do generally reflects who we are. Outside of being forced to do things against one's will, it could be argued that the two are interchangeable.
@@Linfamy Didn't you say in one of your older videos that sexual pleasure was seen as bad? If I remember correctly, you even said that 'If you think that sex is something good/nice, you just haven't tried it hard enough.' I think it was a video about what are considered as good or bad things and acts from a shintoist viewpont. Can you clear this up for us, please?
Is there a lot of actual BDSM, tho? like, safe, sane and consentual BDSM? not so much. Also, I don't think many tropes in the yaoi genre stem from shudo. I read that yaoi started off as kinda a parody almost of straight romance stories. Because female mangaka got tired of the way the relationships were portrayed in romance and especially the girls. So they were like "let me make that a boy instead and have you see how ridiculous this behaviour is". Hence all the crying and bishie looks and "helplessness" of the uke and all that forced upon sex that the uke magically likes in the end after all (and the unrealistic portraying of gay sex. just referring to the famous uke gland...). Basically they made a switcheroo with the toxic relationships by making the girl a boy. It was more like a statement. and hence also why it started off by female artists, rather than gay male artists. anyway, since it turns out women like gay romances (and sex^^), just like guys are into lesbian action, it has long since turned into pron targeted at women. And imo, as such, it has outgrown the old tropes and I am so sick of those toxic relationships.......... anyway ^^
@@michaelblower7363 hm that's how I read it when I researched it years ago. But it was so long ago, I don't know any sources anymore. It kinda made sense to me tho, with the way classical yaoi ukes behave...
@@Mara_1337 Just a personal perspective: I started reading yaoi, because I didn`t like the way hetero couples were portrayed as the helpless girl and the hero... Yaoi back than... Even if the partners weren`t equal, they were more equal than hetero couples... Does this make any sense????
@@PurpleSunset82 hooo boi would you like actually good stories then lol. If that's what you are looking for, oldschool yaoi and even some of the new stuff still doesn't cut it in my opinion. As I said, it was purposefully to be like shojou stories at first... There are some stories out there with more interesting dynamics but now that I think about it, they are probably mostly tragic. I personally do like melancholy though. But yeah, especially in the manga range you might find good depictions of cute couples. I personally like Yamamoto Kotetsuko, eg. Been a while since I've read them. I love 10 Dance... Given... Even Saezuru Tori wa Habatakanai... Well, this is not about recs, it's just that the tropey, denying tsundere uke is almost always a thing. It's cute to some extend and a posessive or pushy seme can be hot, but raping first and asking about feelings later (and pretending it's romantic) is stupid and is very much a thing in most of the bigger yaoi stories and it just doesn't sit right with me.
I mean, this was institutionally enforced child exploitation. the children weren't even supposed to enjoy it, not that either choice is better but it just goes to show they had to pick the one where they cared about the kid even less.
the doujin author "Locon" did well with their "Boy prostitute in old Japanese era" works. The boys must endure and said it was good to avoid the customers' abusing them. So yeah.. I agree with ya.
@@dirckthedork-knight1201 You say it was just tolerated yet the Ancient Greek Gods and Deities engaged in homosexual relationships often enough and the people worshipped them. Not to mention the "bosom friends/comrades" that were said to be soulmates. It was not homosexuality that was not tolerated but engaging solely in homosexual activities without having gotten married and procreated after a certain age. They accepted homosexuality as long as they had at least gotten married and had children to continue the family line. Though homosexuality was not quite defined as it is today back then. I mean, so many philosophers spoke about the greatest type of love to be shared with other men.
I LOVE that you named your video Male-Male love, and refrained from categorizing anything with such modern terms like 'gay' or 'homosexual'. That's the sign of someone who knows his stuff!
@@joeyjoeanu4910 regardless of gender sleeping with someone to young is wrong. Sadly most marriages through out history and even in the world today girl's where ages where/are normally below 18.
My friend who lives in Japan says she was shocked to go in convenience stores and see adult magazines on display openly where kids could see them. I explained to her that Japan wasn’t messed up about sex due to religion like the US. Japanese kids aren’t taught that sex is dirty but it’s a natural part of life. Of course, sex with children is against the law but it’s not shameful for kids to see such magazines. The US talks about sex and religion but very few actually live by their religion when it comes to sex. Fake so-called morality in Western society. Japanese don’t put morals, shame or religion in sex, they just do it.
This is a concept that needs to get more well known. It seems like many people are afraid to link homosexuality to the Samurai they look up to, but honestly the concept is much more complex than they realize. As you say towards the end of the video, it wasn't that many samurai were homosexual, it was more that their concept of sexuality was somewhat non existent/did not exist in the way we think of it today (or from a more western standpoint). I think the closest modern equivalent would be to say that many Samurai were bisexual or pansexual for that matter.
Right, the problem with categorizing them as homosexual or bisexual is that it implies identity, e.g. "he is a bisexual person." They didn't self-identify by the kind of sex they had. They probably saw it similar to someone who likes watching basketball. You *could* call him a "basketball fan," but watching basketball is probably not core to his character, and it's subject to change.
Based on my understanding, ancient Japanese appreciate beauty more than gender so it doesn’t matter if you see a boy or a girl , Actually ancient Asian are like that I think. Because even in my country Philippines, feminine looking male are being treated as woman during pre colonial period
Okay so today in history I started info dumping about wakashu and my friend (half concerned, half scared) asked me why I knew so much about this and I just said, without thinking, "its queer, its japanese, and its history, do you even know me?"
Loool. If I info-dumped this on my best friend she wouldn't bat an eyer because she knows I would be interested in this for the exact same reasons you listed. She also loves History, so likely we would end up changing subjects to other cultures and she would stamp me with knowledge of the middle ages or something.
That's a daily endeavour of mine.....i usually do that to my sister and cousin...both of them are my only friends..none of them bat an eye but anyone else? I'm the local loony who really should be thrown into a religious school to 'correct and better myself because i am sick'
"Sex was something they did, not who they were." I'm constantly struggling with my sexuality and preferences. Identifying what I want vs who I am is so confusing and dumb. I hate labeling and categorizing, so that statement hit me.
Yeah we can have a million ways of categorizing ourselves. Maybe it's okay to not put ourselves in a box and say that sex is just something I do, it doesn't define me :)
you DONT have to use labels theres is plenty of unlabel ppl out there and no one has the right to put u on a label . oh and too like unlabel , twospirit polyamorous and lot of other people that dont fit in the hetero normatibity the lgbtiq plus comunity offers a space for you to not feel alone and fight along side each other to be seen as normal people and have rights like the other ppl
I think the reason why most men were attracted to wakashu because it allowed them to experiment. After experimenting, some of them realised they liked women. ( kinda the same as the concept of experimentation in college). I think it was about sex rather than sexuality.
@@sapphire4508 nonono you should also regularly oil your actual spear. Remember kids, oil your blades to prevent rust and friction. Otherwise you're gonna find yourself suffering trough a painful duel, both outside and inside your bedroom
Hahahahahahaha, that was amazing! "I did learn 2 methods that shattered my innocence", "Still not describing them, you dirty viewer" I'm really sorry, Lin, but seriously thanks a lot for your sacrifice and the info.
*" Exchanging vows, writing them on their clothes, cutting their skin to make a scarf, pulling their finger nails, cutting their finger. "* I didn't know Ancient Japan was this kinky 😳🤭
"They did not think of their sexual orientation as identity." Well, this is interesting. I might have catched myself thinking of sexual orientation as identity. The way how japanese people saw sexual orientation seems .... rather more accurate, since it can change.
Chrysanthemum 菊花 (ju hua) is the word used for butthole in the Chinese gay community as well. Maybe you think the flower itself doesn’t look much like a butthole, but the little 米 inside of the character 菊 kind of does...at least to me. 😂 The same characters are used for chrysanthemum in both Chinese and Japanese btw.
really good video man, history is so weird but so fun to interpret and figure out. also i just wanna say the way people view sexuality now isnt by sex, but romatic love and desire too. as a lesbian i want to have romatic relations with a woman, regardless of if we have sex. so i just wanted to point that out, thats why sexuality is considered a part of someones identity, it relates to who someone marries/loves too.
In the 1600’s a very good book was published in Japan 🇯🇵 on this topic. Comrade Lovers of the Samurai. It’s still published today with English translation.
"so men switching to straight was like watching hentai when you´re young, then switching to real, respectable porn when you grow up" .. isn´t that the other way around though?
@@Linfamy I see it as Lee being his student, while not directly referring to Lee as a wakashu, the image was too strong once you mentioned Guy sensei. Plus the fact thst Guy always talks about youth doesn't help get that image out either lol.
Why would they have sex that was painful on purpose? Even if you were supposed to pretend that you weren’t enjoying the sex/not enjoy the sex it doesn’t mean it actually has to hurt.
Oh it is very much so pedophilia with our standards. But by their standards it was normal, a lot of things we'd considered wrong now were perfectly fine in older civilizations.
@@Moon-Archive Many say not to judge people from older times because of how their views of things differ from ours, but even most animals don’t try to mate/have sex with the young ones. Personally I think that says a lot about us as humans.
@@kakes121 yeah, i can say about a lot of mistakes our ancestors did, like how they got used to eating meat even though we have evolved to be herbivoures but changed our gastronomic system a tiny bit and got used to meat. but nobody talks about it :) , for example our teeth are flat and *not sharp* - just like a herbivoures teeth, we can stomach vegetables raw while we can not meat, and in most cases we can get salmonella and get sick. or how we have longer intestines than herbivoures.... or how we literally chew, a lot, while most herbivoures dont chew at all and just devour. ALSO says a lot about us humans.
13:28 Even in the west, identification with your sexuality is a relatively new thing. Even when Christian norms beat out greco-roman male-male relationship norms, it was still something you did. The idea of sexuality as an identity was part of the gay rights movement as pushback against the criminalization of homosexuality. Also I find the Meiji government being so against same gender relationships and Wakashu interesting because usually the history goes "yeah this culture had a third gender and different sexuality norms and then they were colonized and it was forcibly taken away from them". The Japanese government chose to do that to look respectable to the west.
Well Japanese more or less "colonized" themselves with the help of few foreign advisors. Im pretty sure if they refused to do it themselves the westerners would be good enough to quickly "civilise" them. For better or worse the Edo period peace and isolation led to outdated military force so they weren't as "scary" to the foreigners when they first met them few hundered years priror. It is sad to see Meiji starting heavy propaganda against the old ways and samurai culture using the emperor name, imposing forced haircutting and public shaming to deeply root western "civilised" norms in such extreme pace. They were pretty tough in their policies like the laws for modern farming adopted from the americans even lead to the exctinction of the Japanese wolf in just like 20 years despite the fact that the wolf was thought to protector of the farmers and crops for hundreds of years, kinda ironic.
@Yuuni it is Never Colonized. East asia was not colonize by foreigner (hongkong, macau not including, even then is just for business). After Meiji, lot of things are brought back. Just depend on the leader and period, it happen before in ancient time. One leader wants to make many changes
Okay this is me nerding out but my psych degree has come to be useful! In modern psychology, it is understood that human sexuality ie who we are attracted to is on a continuum and can and often does change throughout ones life. Gender identity is also ona continuum and change throughout ones life, though it tends to stabilize once we've reached adulthood (assuming you were able to explore gender identity and sexuality growing up as otherwise you may be like my aunt and have repressed that for nearly your entire life)
somewhat makes sense. I also have read that many people of those who start out as bi become either gay or straight as they grow older. i'm not sure how true it actually as some of those cases of thinking someone was bi when they were younger might've been caused by this person being indoctrinated into feeling like they must feel opposite-sex attraction and perhaps mistaking simple feelings of friendship or idolization of someone cool that you see as a role model when you're young for that. it's kind of sad though that sometimes really dangerous homophobia has forced people to have to create and squeeze themselves into really strict definitions of sexuality to even hope to be seen as "valid" and sane... I myself am not bi but i keep meeting people who seem to not to fit any of those strict definitions, not to mention the wrench the concept of non-binary gender identities throw into the whole system! it seems somewhat silly we still put so much weight on those definitions, yet I can see this is for now a necessary evil if our rights are to be taken back, until equality can be reached.
OMG! Thank you! I "identify" and "resonate" most with this (now)? I, if anyone, "made" myself "straight", when I finally associated "boys" (and/or girls) with "s*x" and in fantasies, but recently I "trained" myself to associate "girls" and anything inbetween to accomadate my "realisation" that this and/or these "girl" and/or "girls" were "most" "compatible" to me(ow)? X'38
Man, japan and ancient greece had a lot more in common in practice than I would've thought at first glance when it comes to how they treated homosexual relationships! Also big BIG disclaimer. Even though these historical events shaped a lot of yaoi/bl tropes, calling the very real relationships and very real people whom participated on them 'old/feudal/medieval yaoi' is a HUGE no-no. Its very dehumanizing seeing real people's relationships being compared to a ficticious porn genre that only originated in the 1970s. Sure, doujin were made /based/ off these historical relationships and those would be yaoi on its own, but calling the real relationships that actually happened (and were often abussive) 'historical yaoi', it completely minimizes these very real experiences people had. You wouldn't call straight relationships in feudal japan 'historical hentai' would you? ...... don't answer that question.
@r.coachman3499 I love bls and gls and I agree , I will definitely not call these kind of relationships of back then " yaoi" hell no , there is definitely a difference between a work of fiction and literally historical facts
"Sex was something they did, not who they were". I think I am japanese on this, because I believe who you sleep with isn't who you are, it doesn't define your essence.
Agreed. Related: As a bi woman in a long-term, monogamous, "hetero" relationship, I can confidently say biphobia is real. People seem to think that a bi person in a committed relationship no longer feels attraction for other genders anymore and that's just not true. Who we are with does not erase other things about our identities. This applies to way more than just sexual preference, of course.
Hence why the recent ruling on same-sex marriage by the Sapporo district court was seen as highly controversial. Japan seems to constantly go through these cycles of being ahead, then stagnating and falling behind, before they surge and catch up again. Currently they seem to be in their stagnation phase.
@@huanquocmanh416 Worldwide it hasn't been either, but here are other things that were also invented recently: civil marriage and romantic love, both of which only came to be in the last 2-3 centuries. So it's only reasonable same-sex marriage would also be recent.
@@TosiakiS I mean, marriage itself is a construct that is purely legal or religious when it comes to the semantics and why it exists. But people nowadays consider it an act of love or an acknowledgement of love!!!
The concept of sexuality in Edo Period Japan kind of reminds me of that of 15th-century Florence. They're was so much sex happening between men and adolescent boys in Florence then that they set up an 'Office of the Night' to discourage it. But the punishment for getting caught was only a fine so there were a lot of repeat offenders.
By "Balkan language" you gotta be a bit more spessific since there are many balkan countries out there lol! [Haha half-jokes aside though yeah it does sound the same]
WHAT?! I’m currently playing the Nobunaga Oda route of Ikémen Sengoku, and you’re telling me that I’ve got to compete with some jailbait side-piece? Goddamnit, Linfamy...
I played a lot of Samurai Love Ballad and I wasn't surprised by Takeda Shingen but I was chanting please not Uesugi Kenshin please not Uesugu Kenshin Noooo he's in the list
"In a Shudo relationship the man was a mentor, he taught the Wakashu how to grow up to be a Samurai, and occasionally how to grow his little Samurai". SAVAGE.
@@Linfamy Wasn't that boy, Ranmaru, stayed with Nobunaga in the burning Honno-ji temple, took care of him to finish the seppuku, then took Nobunaga's head away from Mitsuhide's rebels that neither he nor head were found to this day? Yaoi or not that was badass.
@@aizensosuke1491 well at least that explains why he was there. Ranmaru always did seem a little too arbitrary but now his presence in Nobunaga's Posse now has context
it is so interesting to see the difference mindset and sexual behavior in another culture. I've never head about this outside of your channel and I'm so grateful. it helps us understand the Japanese culture keep up the good work 😁
@@s2oop436 this is a part of the Japanese history and culture that should be studied accordingly. on a basic level, cultures are different and studying them is an acknowledgement of the people😊
As someone who read Ihara Saikaku, this video is on point. Love of young men was not only widespread but also romanticised to oblivion. Great video, as always. Also, could you consider maybe doing a video on the Onnagata? Or maybe the moxa treatment that was so popular in the Edo period?
I always thought Samurai who practice Shudo is that it is difficult to bring a woman to the battlefield so they would practice some "sword fighting" in their tent with their Wakashu as a way to relieve themselves before the next day battle.
As much as I enjoyed the Netflix Age of the Samurai documentary, I'm a bit annoyed they didn't mention this and instead chose to emphasize hypermasculinity (Murder! Honorable suicide! Self-mutilation! Lots of sex with lots of women!) when depicting the samurai. While they probably did this stuff, they barely mentioned that they also practiced the arts and engaged in what was essentially the Japanese version of pederasty
TBH , i expected something like Vikings or HBO Rome instead of documentary , that would have worked better and maybe show this unknown side of the samurai , but what is done is done................to be fair , they didnt focus as much on the individuals truly but rather the environment and political stuff Amazing everything but still a let down Not even mention the clusterfuck that is Yasuke , again , not bad but a huge let down
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Loved the video man. Tbf though l was abit weirded out at the end. The quote "All good things have a happy ending and bad things too" when referring to the enforcement of straight relationships xD. I am very sure you did not mean it that way, but for a second l was like "You red pilling here?"
I dont know what you are doing different from the other creators but your closed captions are always good. Even with hard to pronounce names your captions get them right. Thank you. I am hard of hearing and being able to watch a channel without having to figure out what you are saying.....its so refreshing. Plus Samurais *double win* so big thank you .
I appreciate that you made this video very respectfully. In our current climate it is very easy to apply modern moral standards to a culture and period when they did not have access to the same info we do. As a result ancient peoples can become villanised in a way that isnt very fair to do. Thank you for not doing that!
imagine real gays in that period though who where expexted to mature and be straight yet they just keep goin gay like whoop japan you make things the most complicated 😂
It wasn't like that as long as men dressed like a Wakashu they were considered Wakashu. Some Wakashu were as old as 90 years old. So if someone wanted to keep sleeping around with other men all you'd have to do is dress up like a Wakashu.
Actually this type of system was incredibly normal around the world pre-Christian Europe practiced this and it seems homophobia seems to be unique to Abrahamic religions.
@@kekero540 Homophobia is not unique to Abrahamic religions. Go to twitter and search up 同性婚 and you will see plenty of homophobia, ranging in opinions such as "they're pushing an agenda to destroy Japan" to "don't call it marriage" and all sorts of stuff. Actually, the more you look into it, the more surprising similarities you will find all around the world. For example, homophobia in medieval Europe did not originate from Christianity, instead Rome itself was already homophobic enough and only tolerated it in such heteronormative contexts like master-slave relationships, and Christianity ended this because they were against master-slave relationships. Homophobia as we know it today came about around the Victorian era with the invention of psychiatry that made homosexuality become seen as a disorder, whereas in the previous centuries of Europe, it was only seen as a possible transgression similar to adultery.
There was a similar phenomenon among the ancient Greeks (the aristocracy) and in Afghanistan today, and probably many other cultures. I think it happens when you have a culture where access to women by young men (up to age 30) is very controlled, and you have a strong martial tradition that starts at around 12-ish, where teens and young men live a separate warrior life. You end up with a very macho warrior culture but where most men in their 20s are having sex (active role) with teen-age boys (passive role), but it's just a phase in their life, with the men marrying and being heterosexual after age 30. It makes me wonder about medieval European knights and their page boys.
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"Having sex with other man was still bad but it was like pushing against an older woman on a bus- at one point you need to get off" I LITERALLY CHOCKED
Brilliant
Well, it is Japan, so you'd figure Chikan would show up eventually.
Choked + x = chocked
Find x
What manga is the thumbnail?
That was my favorite part too lol
It makes sense that sleeping with other men is less dangerous, since there will never be any unwanted pregnancies 🤷🏼♀️
Yes, that was one of the reasons the law didn't crack down on male-male sex
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Interestingly that was Plato's explanation for the tradition of male-youth relationships in Greek polities.
As well, it’s a profession that fits pretty well for gay men. If the society at large is unwelcoming to homosexuality, there still needs to be an outlet for homosexuality. I would guess this is where families would encourage gay men to go if they aren’t going to deny themselves, or if the parents are particularly loving and want the young man to have a “happy” (as happy as it could be) life.
That is the same nonsense that Bret Hinsch came up with for "homosexuality" in imperial China.
I actually had several Korean male acquaintances in my life that told me that same point of view still exists today in Korea. They said that a lot of young guys in their 20s fool around and have sex with their male friends (both participants are of the same age, not older-younger like in this video) but then after completing their military service (which every man is required to do by the time he's 30 years of age), they are expected to come home and "settle down" with a woman and have a family. It was quite a big shock to me because then I asked "doesn't that mean they're just gay and getting married to women because being gay is not acceptable in their society?" but they said that it's not seen as being gay, it's just letting off steam and getting sexual pleasure with other men while you're young whereas having a real romantic relationships with men is frowned upon. And especially after the man grows up (after 30) it's seen as really weird if you're still attracted or wanting sex with other men instead of women.
Lmao, so, the guys in the navy are screwing each other until they have the chance to get their feet on dry land again......that's just called being horny and trapped with a bunch of dudes for months on end.
You think that only happens in Korea... try the US army.
@@dayangmarikit6860 lol I often wonder what really happens in all the Military Army's around the world 🤭😏😏
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos - Oh yeah, it happens all over the world, it's just well hidden. Even in my country the Philippines, there used to be several videos circulating of men screwing each other. This was years ago, so they got removed from service for indecency, however, nowadays I'm not sure if they're more tolerant of it.
I find that ridiculous,you can have sex as a man ,with another man and even in some cases , they have hidden relationship, but when older and engage in that same relationship ,is considered wrong and frowned upon, hhhhh, yeah right.
"when your step sister gets stuck under the bed, no. Your supposed to pull your step sister out of her predicament..... And then sleep with he-" that cut was amzing
8:43
Made me laugh audibly
Was that supposed to be a joke?
Lol bru
"Sex was what they did, not who they were."
Seems kinda right, and liberating.
Yeah, before the Meiji Period, they didn't shame any sex act like the West did. Sexual pleasure was seen as good. Laws were more concerned with social stability than particular sex acts.
e.g. adultery was illegal because of the conflict it created within the household rather than because sleeping with someone other than your spouse was inherently bad.
Laws were also not that concerned with male-male sex, because there was no risk of pregnancies interfering with inheritance rights.
@@Linfamy Japan was ahead of its time in some ways.
In my country at that time people were busy burning the widows😐
Man, I wish nowadays we are also defined by who we really are and not by what we do.
@@GFHCyan What we do generally reflects who we are.
Outside of being forced to do things against one's will, it could be argued that the two are interchangeable.
@@Linfamy Didn't you say in one of your older videos that sexual pleasure was seen as bad? If I remember correctly, you even said that 'If you think that sex is something good/nice, you just haven't tried it hard enough.' I think it was a video about what are considered as good or bad things and acts from a shintoist viewpont. Can you clear this up for us, please?
"it was in the Edo period that the popularity of shudo...climaxed." Linfamy has such a way with words.
Beautifully said 🤧
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His humor is as dry as a Wakashu that ran out of plums. I love it. AND I learned something. Subscribed.
Good one 😂
So that’s why there’s a lot of sexual assault and BDSM in yaoi.
Is there a lot of actual BDSM, tho? like, safe, sane and consentual BDSM? not so much.
Also, I don't think many tropes in the yaoi genre stem from shudo. I read that yaoi started off as kinda a parody almost of straight romance stories. Because female mangaka got tired of the way the relationships were portrayed in romance and especially the girls. So they were like "let me make that a boy instead and have you see how ridiculous this behaviour is". Hence all the crying and bishie looks and "helplessness" of the uke and all that forced upon sex that the uke magically likes in the end after all (and the unrealistic portraying of gay sex. just referring to the famous uke gland...). Basically they made a switcheroo with the toxic relationships by making the girl a boy. It was more like a statement. and hence also why it started off by female artists, rather than gay male artists.
anyway, since it turns out women like gay romances (and sex^^), just like guys are into lesbian action, it has long since turned into pron targeted at women. And imo, as such, it has outgrown the old tropes and I am so sick of those toxic relationships.......... anyway ^^
@@Mara_1337 Wait, so Yaoi was written as a counter-statement against the way female characters were treated in hetero romance stories? :O
@@michaelblower7363 hm that's how I read it when I researched it years ago. But it was so long ago, I don't know any sources anymore.
It kinda made sense to me tho, with the way classical yaoi ukes behave...
@@Mara_1337 Just a personal perspective: I started reading yaoi, because I didn`t like the way hetero couples were portrayed as the helpless girl and the hero...
Yaoi back than... Even if the partners weren`t equal, they were more equal than hetero couples...
Does this make any sense????
@@PurpleSunset82 hooo boi would you like actually good stories then lol. If that's what you are looking for, oldschool yaoi and even some of the new stuff still doesn't cut it in my opinion. As I said, it was purposefully to be like shojou stories at first... There are some stories out there with more interesting dynamics but now that I think about it, they are probably mostly tragic. I personally do like melancholy though. But yeah, especially in the manga range you might find good depictions of cute couples. I personally like Yamamoto Kotetsuko, eg. Been a while since I've read them. I love 10 Dance... Given... Even Saezuru Tori wa Habatakanai...
Well, this is not about recs, it's just that the tropey, denying tsundere uke is almost always a thing. It's cute to some extend and a posessive or pushy seme can be hot, but raping first and asking about feelings later (and pretending it's romantic) is stupid and is very much a thing in most of the bigger yaoi stories and it just doesn't sit right with me.
I can't believe I'm actually listening to the history of Yaoi. Thanks, Lin
I was thinking the exact same thing!💖
I mean, this was institutionally enforced child exploitation. the children weren't even supposed to enjoy it, not that either choice is better but it just goes to show they had to pick the one where they cared about the kid even less.
the doujin author "Locon" did well with their "Boy prostitute in old Japanese era" works. The boys must endure and said it was good to avoid the customers' abusing them.
So yeah.. I agree with ya.
Its yaoi it's straight up gae
Yaoi originated in the 70s-80s. Literally hundreds of years after this.
Ancient Greece, meet your new cellmate: Edo Japan
Thats actually just a stereotype homosexuality was not "celebrated" in ancient greece it was just tolerated
@@dirckthedork-knight1201 then again, our expectations are pretty much on the floor
@@dirckthedork-knight1201 You say it was just tolerated yet the Ancient Greek Gods and Deities engaged in homosexual relationships often enough and the people worshipped them. Not to mention the "bosom friends/comrades" that were said to be soulmates. It was not homosexuality that was not tolerated but engaging solely in homosexual activities without having gotten married and procreated after a certain age. They accepted homosexuality as long as they had at least gotten married and had children to continue the family line. Though homosexuality was not quite defined as it is today back then. I mean, so many philosophers spoke about the greatest type of love to be shared with other men.
edo japan: aaa-ahh ai gureeceu sama motto genteru onegaii KYAAHH
@@unknownherrscher it's cringey but dunno why i laugh so hard at this 😂
I LOVE that you named your video Male-Male love, and refrained from categorizing anything with such modern terms like 'gay' or 'homosexual'. That's the sign of someone who knows his stuff!
Hai.. you are so handsome
Lol
@@yohanesdaniel8049 💀
Seems someone likes you
@@yohanesdaniel8049 😦
I'm actually sad for the young Wakashu. They were too young to be engaging in sexual relationships 💀
@@joeyjoeanu4910 regardless of gender sleeping with someone to young is wrong. Sadly most marriages through out history and even in the world today girl's where ages where/are normally below 18.
You shouldnt be bcoz that was the norm back then
My friend who lives in Japan says she was shocked to go in convenience stores and see adult magazines on display openly where kids could see them.
I explained to her that Japan wasn’t messed up about sex due to religion like the US. Japanese kids aren’t taught that sex is dirty but it’s a natural part of life. Of course, sex with children is against the law but it’s not shameful for kids to see such magazines. The US talks about sex and religion but very few actually live by their religion when it comes to sex. Fake so-called morality in Western society. Japanese don’t put morals, shame or religion in sex, they just do it.
Tell that to Germany, Austria, and present day Japan.
I was feeling the same, but life has been so different for all humans as we go through time.
This is a concept that needs to get more well known. It seems like many people are afraid to link homosexuality to the Samurai they look up to, but honestly the concept is much more complex than they realize. As you say towards the end of the video, it wasn't that many samurai were homosexual, it was more that their concept of sexuality was somewhat non existent/did not exist in the way we think of it today (or from a more western standpoint). I think the closest modern equivalent would be to say that many Samurai were bisexual or pansexual for that matter.
Right, the problem with categorizing them as homosexual or bisexual is that it implies identity, e.g. "he is a bisexual person." They didn't self-identify by the kind of sex they had.
They probably saw it similar to someone who likes watching basketball. You *could* call him a "basketball fan," but watching basketball is probably not core to his character, and it's subject to change.
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Based on my understanding, ancient Japanese appreciate beauty more than gender so it doesn’t matter if you see a boy or a girl , Actually ancient Asian are like that I think. Because even in my country Philippines, feminine looking male are being treated as woman during pre colonial period
Pansexual gang rise up! *stands up*
@@Linfamy weeds we
Okay so today in history I started info dumping about wakashu and my friend (half concerned, half scared) asked me why I knew so much about this and I just said, without thinking, "its queer, its japanese, and its history, do you even know me?"
not a topic to spring up on someone in conversation :P
@@Linfamy I know and my teacher was very close to referring me to counseling
Loool. If I info-dumped this on my best friend she wouldn't bat an eyer because she knows I would be interested in this for the exact same reasons you listed. She also loves History, so likely we would end up changing subjects to other cultures and she would stamp me with knowledge of the middle ages or something.
That's a daily endeavour of mine.....i usually do that to my sister and cousin...both of them are my only friends..none of them bat an eye but anyone else?
I'm the local loony who really should be thrown into a religious school to 'correct and better myself because i am sick'
@@anitam.9582 same , me and my best friend are weird. I'm more interested in history than her, but sex talk is always welcome! 😂
"Sex was something they did, not who they were." I'm constantly struggling with my sexuality and preferences. Identifying what I want vs who I am is so confusing and dumb. I hate labeling and categorizing, so that statement hit me.
Yeah we can have a million ways of categorizing ourselves. Maybe it's okay to not put ourselves in a box and say that sex is just something I do, it doesn't define me :)
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Labeling is for people who want to use them. You don't have to if you don't want to.
you DONT have to use labels theres is plenty of unlabel ppl out there and no one has the right to put u on a label . oh and too like unlabel , twospirit polyamorous and lot of other people that dont fit in the hetero normatibity the lgbtiq plus comunity offers a space for you to not feel alone and fight along side each other to be seen as normal people and have rights like the other ppl
Maybe you are just fixated on certain characteristics?
I think the reason why most men were attracted to wakashu because it allowed them to experiment. After experimenting, some of them realised they liked women. ( kinda the same as the concept of experimentation in college). I think it was about sex rather than sexuality.
And some discovered they liked men.
5:22 To be clear, oiled their spears is a euphemism, not literal.
To bad
Oil their literal spear but not the weapon spear, you mean do you.
@@sapphire4508 nonono you should also regularly oil your actual spear.
Remember kids, oil your blades to prevent rust and friction. Otherwise you're gonna find yourself suffering trough a painful duel, both outside and inside your bedroom
I was confused because you said "over" instead of under their clothes
@@franktheprank7336 i don't have a spear dude
I always knew samurais kicked butt, now i knew they stick butt too. Ye olde Yaoi
YO- I'M SCREAMINGGG
BRUH🤣🤣😂
LMAOO
is this a attempt at comedy?
😂
Hahahahahahaha, that was amazing! "I did learn 2 methods that shattered my innocence", "Still not describing them, you dirty viewer" I'm really sorry, Lin, but seriously thanks a lot for your sacrifice and the info.
😂😭
"Sex is something you do, not what you are" I like that
"No Gai-sensei, Nooo"
Almost chocked with coffee lol
Now we finally understand the relationship of Guy Sensei and Rock Lee.
BRUH
I had to pause at that part lol
I am screaming and dying on the inside.
@@SilentGlaceon94 imagine how Rock Lee feels
*" Exchanging vows, writing them on their clothes, cutting their skin to make a scarf, pulling their finger nails, cutting their finger. "*
I didn't know Ancient Japan was this kinky 😳🤭
Sounds very yakuza style 🤔
Yes daddy loanshark I have a bad bad gambling addiction, and crippling debt. You’re gonna have to punish me.(wtf did I just type)
What manga is the thumbnail?
@@marcoatienza8884 Bald Spots
Are you surprised??
"They did not think of their sexual orientation as identity." Well, this is interesting. I might have catched myself thinking of sexual orientation as identity. The way how japanese people saw sexual orientation seems .... rather more accurate, since it can change.
Makes a lot of sense :)
Also Greeks, had a very similar system with p3d3r4sty, where older men taught younger men both in knowledge and sexually.
An excellent presentation, very well documented (I'm currently reading Nanshoku Okagami and some related works; it's all exactly as you say).
Chrysanthemum 菊花 (ju hua) is the word used for butthole in the Chinese gay community as well. Maybe you think the flower itself doesn’t look much like a butthole, but the little 米 inside of the character 菊 kind of does...at least to me. 😂 The same characters are used for chrysanthemum in both Chinese and Japanese btw.
Ohh if it's because of the character, then I do see it XD
HMM VERY INTERESTING.
WHAAAAAAAT?!?!?!
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 😂
Holy hell that’s amazing
Were they gay or bisexual?
"Yes"
bisexual.
there's not a question there
can you like both? congrats you're bisexual, case dismissed
@@pink_alligator 13:22
They were MAPs.
omg thats true
Ur channel is basically history class but it covers subjects that normal teachers would never even mention, the moribid reality of the past ig
"when you're attracted to both, you're really fun"... I LOLed at this. you said it bro...
I had it right, but will still say I love this video.
;)
Good
Same here
Sandal Bearer: What is my purpose?
Samurai Lord: You carry my sandals
Sandal Bearer: Oh my god......
He knew at this moment.
His samurai lord will make special *""""""""""sleepovers"""""""*
@@thewarlordhimself stop 💀🖐
@@user-nf1bz3sn4z Absolute do not listen to this guy and continue :D
really good video man, history is so weird but so fun to interpret and figure out. also i just wanna say the way people view sexuality now isnt by sex, but romatic love and desire too. as a lesbian i want to have romatic relations with a woman, regardless of if we have sex. so i just wanted to point that out, thats why sexuality is considered a part of someones identity, it relates to who someone marries/loves too.
In the 1600’s a very good book was published in Japan 🇯🇵 on this topic.
Comrade Lovers of the Samurai. It’s still published today with English translation.
"so men switching to straight was like watching hentai when you´re young, then switching to real, respectable porn when you grow up" .. isn´t that the other way around though?
ah yes the 3 stages of life hentai -> porn -> vanilla homevideos
Real stuff is gross lol
And I'm pretty sure no porn is "respectable", I mean it's only purpose is to make you jerk off.
Even in Muslim countries is that homosexuality is not discussed. Their philosophy is that boys are for fun and the girls were for procreation.
I love this video .... _dangit, gets me every time_
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"Like pushing an old lady on a bus...." that was the best bit I have heard in ages, 11 out of 10!
That bit about Guy sensei is too real now looking back. Also thousand years of pain means something else to me now. Thanks for that.
lol, I don't think Guy sensei ever did the kancho though?
@@Linfamy I see it as Lee being his student, while not directly referring to Lee as a wakashu, the image was too strong once you mentioned Guy sensei. Plus the fact thst Guy always talks about youth doesn't help get that image out either lol.
fr- i can’t see him the same ever again 💀 it relates too much
I really appreciate hearing about the history of gay relationships. It's nice to know we've always been here.
I’m addicted to these videos I can’t stop
Excellent ;)
Tearing the hole...WHY??
Dry insertion sounds kinda okay though maybe...
Why would they have sex that was painful on purpose? Even if you were supposed to pretend that you weren’t enjoying the sex/not enjoy the sex it doesn’t mean it actually has to hurt.
@@yum9918 ... it´s not
@@solarmoth4628 guess it made them feel more manly. You know, dominance and stuff
@@solarmoth4628 I mean, some people do enjoy pain.
After overcoming my yaoi phase, this seems more disturbing to hear about possible ancient pedophilia. But thank you for the informative lesson anyway?
Oh it is very much so pedophilia with our standards. But by their standards it was normal, a lot of things we'd considered wrong now were perfectly fine in older civilizations.
Yeah, in Greece too
@@Moon-Archive Many say not to judge people from older times because of how their views of things differ from ours, but even most animals don’t try to mate/have sex with the young ones. Personally I think that says a lot about us as humans.
Considering women were often married off “shortly after their first bleeding” it’s very understandable how this practice started.
@@kakes121 yeah, i can say about a lot of mistakes our ancestors did, like how they got used to eating meat even though we have evolved to be herbivoures but changed our gastronomic system a tiny bit and got used to meat. but nobody talks about it :) , for example our teeth are flat and *not sharp* - just like a herbivoures teeth, we can stomach vegetables raw while we can not meat, and in most cases we can get salmonella and get sick. or how we have longer intestines than herbivoures.... or how we literally chew, a lot, while most herbivoures dont chew at all and just devour. ALSO says a lot about us humans.
I cannot begin to say thanks. I am learning neat stuff every day!😁✌️
The writing is so clever and the videos are the perfect length to leave me wanting more!
13:28 Even in the west, identification with your sexuality is a relatively new thing. Even when Christian norms beat out greco-roman male-male relationship norms, it was still something you did. The idea of sexuality as an identity was part of the gay rights movement as pushback against the criminalization of homosexuality.
Also I find the Meiji government being so against same gender relationships and Wakashu interesting because usually the history goes "yeah this culture had a third gender and different sexuality norms and then they were colonized and it was forcibly taken away from them". The Japanese government chose to do that to look respectable to the west.
Well Japanese more or less "colonized" themselves with the help of few foreign advisors. Im pretty sure if they refused to do it themselves the westerners would be good enough to quickly "civilise" them. For better or worse the Edo period peace and isolation led to outdated military force so they weren't as "scary" to the foreigners when they first met them few hundered years priror. It is sad to see Meiji starting heavy propaganda against the old ways and samurai culture using the emperor name, imposing forced haircutting and public shaming to deeply root western "civilised" norms in such extreme pace. They were pretty tough in their policies like the laws for modern farming adopted from the americans even lead to the exctinction of the Japanese wolf in just like 20 years despite the fact that the wolf was thought to protector of the farmers and crops for hundreds of years, kinda ironic.
It's still oppression from the establishment, has very little to do with the common people. So yeah, they were all forced.
@Yuuni
it is Never Colonized. East asia was not colonize by foreigner (hongkong, macau not including, even then is just for business).
After Meiji, lot of things are brought back. Just depend on the leader and period, it happen before in ancient time. One leader wants to make many changes
Stop blaming colonialism for everything. People change. Simple
You’re definitely American
Okay this is me nerding out but my psych degree has come to be useful! In modern psychology, it is understood that human sexuality ie who we are attracted to is on a continuum and can and often does change throughout ones life. Gender identity is also ona continuum and change throughout ones life, though it tends to stabilize once we've reached adulthood (assuming you were able to explore gender identity and sexuality growing up as otherwise you may be like my aunt and have repressed that for nearly your entire life)
somewhat makes sense. I also have read that many people of those who start out as bi become either gay or straight as they grow older. i'm not sure how true it actually as some of those cases of thinking someone was bi when they were younger might've been caused by this person being indoctrinated into feeling like they must feel opposite-sex attraction and perhaps mistaking simple feelings of friendship or idolization of someone cool that you see as a role model when you're young for that. it's kind of sad though that sometimes really dangerous homophobia has forced people to have to create and squeeze themselves into really strict definitions of sexuality to even hope to be seen as "valid" and sane... I myself am not bi but i keep meeting people who seem to not to fit any of those strict definitions, not to mention the wrench the concept of non-binary gender identities throw into the whole system! it seems somewhat silly we still put so much weight on those definitions, yet I can see this is for now a necessary evil if our rights are to be taken back, until equality can be reached.
OMG! Thank you! I "identify" and "resonate" most with this (now)? I, if anyone, "made" myself "straight", when I finally associated "boys" (and/or girls) with "s*x" and in fantasies, but recently I "trained" myself to associate "girls" and anything inbetween to accomadate my "realisation" that this and/or these "girl" and/or "girls" were "most" "compatible" to me(ow)? X'38
I very strongly resonate with this...may I ask about your aunt? Why do you say repressed like her?
@@cmoneman3025 I can reply in full later at work now. Wanted to let you know I saw
Lmao, that sounds a lot like angry feminist gender studies, but okay!
Man, japan and ancient greece had a lot more in common in practice than I would've thought at first glance when it comes to how they treated homosexual relationships! Also big BIG disclaimer. Even though these historical events shaped a lot of yaoi/bl tropes, calling the very real relationships and very real people whom participated on them 'old/feudal/medieval yaoi' is a HUGE no-no. Its very dehumanizing seeing real people's relationships being compared to a ficticious porn genre that only originated in the 1970s. Sure, doujin were made /based/ off these historical relationships and those would be yaoi on its own, but calling the real relationships that actually happened (and were often abussive) 'historical yaoi', it completely minimizes these very real experiences people had. You wouldn't call straight relationships in feudal japan 'historical hentai' would you? ...... don't answer that question.
Thanks for putting this into words! 🙏
@r.coachman3499 I love bls and gls and I agree , I will definitely not call these kind of relationships of back then " yaoi" hell no , there is definitely a difference between a work of fiction and literally historical facts
Every culture, every single one
"Sex was something they did, not who they were". I think I am japanese on this, because I believe who you sleep with isn't who you are, it doesn't define your essence.
Agreed.
Related: As a bi woman in a long-term, monogamous, "hetero" relationship, I can confidently say biphobia is real. People seem to think that a bi person in a committed relationship no longer feels attraction for other genders anymore and that's just not true. Who we are with does not erase other things about our identities. This applies to way more than just sexual preference, of course.
Hence why the recent ruling on same-sex marriage by the Sapporo district court was seen as highly controversial. Japan seems to constantly go through these cycles of being ahead, then stagnating and falling behind, before they surge and catch up again. Currently they seem to be in their stagnation phase.
Same sex marriage has never been japan thing
@@huanquocmanh416 Worldwide it hasn't been either, but here are other things that were also invented recently: civil marriage and romantic love, both of which only came to be in the last 2-3 centuries. So it's only reasonable same-sex marriage would also be recent.
@@TosiakiS I mean, marriage itself is a construct that is purely legal or religious when it comes to the semantics and why it exists. But people nowadays consider it an act of love or an acknowledgement of love!!!
What recent ruling?
This is about p*dophilia my dude.
The concept of sexuality in Edo Period Japan kind of reminds me of that of 15th-century Florence. They're was so much sex happening between men and adolescent boys in Florence then that they set up an 'Office of the Night' to discourage it. But the punishment for getting caught was only a fine so there were a lot of repeat offenders.
This came up on my feed. Glad it did! Humorous, historic and buzzy. ❤️ it 😁
Fun fact: seks is just sex in Balkan languages and it's the pronounced the same
Okay, but in the Rune Factory games there is a “seks empire”. (I mean, that’s the name) I wonder if they censored that name for those languages? 😂
By "Balkan language" you gotta be a bit more spessific since there are many balkan countries out there lol!
[Haha half-jokes aside though yeah it does sound the same]
Indonesian too
Damn thanks for clarifying, I was almost developing a migrane
@@TheSlipperyNUwUdle Fun fact: In Rune Factory it's actually called Sechs Empire, sechs means six in German
I’m neither male or gay but very intrigued 🤔🤔🤔. Thanks for shedding some light on unknown history 🤓📚.
Glad you like :D
I laughed so hard at your history lesson. You chose your words so wise
"Its like pushing an old lady off the bus. You know its wrong but at some point you just gotta get off."
Man, I only found your channel the other day, but you're already one of my favorite creators. Your humor is on point.
WHAT?! I’m currently playing the Nobunaga Oda route of Ikémen Sengoku, and you’re telling me that I’ve got to compete with some jailbait side-piece? Goddamnit, Linfamy...
Life is unfair 🤷♂️
*femboi ranmaru
Ran is a girls name.
@@huanquocmanh416 and maru is masculine
I played a lot of Samurai Love Ballad and I wasn't surprised by Takeda Shingen but I was chanting please not Uesugi Kenshin please not Uesugu Kenshin
Noooo he's in the list
@@naylisyazwina6836 My condolences. :'(
"In a Shudo relationship the man was a mentor, he taught the Wakashu how to grow up to be a Samurai, and occasionally how to grow his little Samurai".
SAVAGE.
I never knew all these things 😄🤦🏻♀️ really informative and funny. thank you!
If you're telling me Oda Nobunaga engaged in feudal era Yaoi I'll....uh.... I'll..... I'm not sure what I'll do🤣😨
It was the norm :/
@@Linfamy so was incest what's your point
Well he had ranmaru.
@@Linfamy
Wasn't that boy, Ranmaru, stayed with Nobunaga in the burning Honno-ji temple, took care of him to finish the seppuku, then took Nobunaga's head away from Mitsuhide's rebels that neither he nor head were found to this day? Yaoi or not that was badass.
@@aizensosuke1491 well at least that explains why he was there. Ranmaru always did seem a little too arbitrary but now his presence in Nobunaga's Posse now has context
it is so interesting to see the difference mindset and sexual behavior in another culture. I've never head about this outside of your channel and I'm so grateful. it helps us understand the Japanese culture
keep up the good work 😁
Glad you like the vid =)
Japanophile usually avoid looking for this subject because it destroys their core beliefs
@@s2oop436 this is a part of the Japanese history and culture that should be studied accordingly. on a basic level, cultures are different and studying them is an acknowledgement of the people😊
@@SanaTT agree, most of them are actually homophobic or religious zealots so they think this culture didn’t exists in the country they look upon
This makes Might Guy and Rock Lee’s relationship very unsettling
I like how this is an effective example of how gender is performed. Gender is not an idea but an action
I love this video.
"Look, I didn't make the rules. I just enforce them with joy."
- Linfamy
As someone who read Ihara Saikaku, this video is on point. Love of young men was not only widespread but also romanticised to oblivion. Great video, as always. Also, could you consider maybe doing a video on the Onnagata? Or maybe the moxa treatment that was so popular in the Edo period?
I just found this channel and I’ve never see videos that were so informative while at the same time so fucking hilarious
Glad you like :)
"Buddhism; well known hater of fun"
I can't 😂
I know hey😅😅🙌
In the beginning I thought he said "another gay" I-
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gay used to mean happy
@@NorroTaku used to?
I just think your videos are so refreshing
And I just love your comment
"It's not gay, if you fu** for dominance" - Sun Tzu
I always thought Samurai who practice Shudo is that it is difficult to bring a woman to the battlefield so they would practice some "sword fighting" in their tent with their Wakashu as a way to relieve themselves before the next day battle.
As much as I enjoyed the Netflix Age of the Samurai documentary, I'm a bit annoyed they didn't mention this and instead chose to emphasize hypermasculinity (Murder! Honorable suicide! Self-mutilation! Lots of sex with lots of women!) when depicting the samurai. While they probably did this stuff, they barely mentioned that they also practiced the arts and engaged in what was essentially the Japanese version of pederasty
TBH , i expected something like Vikings or HBO Rome instead of documentary , that would have worked better and maybe show this unknown side of the samurai , but what is done is done................to be fair , they didnt focus as much on the individuals truly but rather the environment and political stuff
Amazing everything but still a let down
Not even mention the clusterfuck that is Yasuke , again , not bad but a huge let down
Fascinating! It's amazing to see how these things have changed.
Congratulations. Your dry wit, with its tumbling acrobatic PUNS, is a true Joy to pay close attention to your brilliant oratory with your nonchalant verbal delivery. BRAVO! You're quite proficient at your art/ craft/ science. VERY impressive! Respectfully Yours, Gregg Oreo Long Beach CA Etats Unis
Loved the video man. Tbf though l was abit weirded out at the end. The quote "All good things have a happy ending and bad things too" when referring to the enforcement of straight relationships xD.
I am very sure you did not mean it that way, but for a second l was like "You red pilling here?"
I dont know what you are doing different from the other creators but your closed captions are always good. Even with hard to pronounce names your captions get them right. Thank you. I am hard of hearing and being able to watch a channel without having to figure out what you are saying.....its so refreshing. Plus Samurais *double win* so big thank you .
Oh, I manually input the captions. They're not automatic, so they should be mostly accurate ;). Glad you find it helpful!
@@Linfamy YOU ARE AWESOME FOR THAT .i dont think I can say thank you enough .
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I appreciate that you made this video very respectfully. In our current climate it is very easy to apply modern moral standards to a culture and period when they did not have access to the same info we do. As a result ancient peoples can become villanised in a way that isnt very fair to do. Thank you for not doing that!
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My daughter reads these Manga, and loves love... so I told her this version... I love being a dad.
This is very cursed, I think the manga was demon Slayer but this vid is way too sus
Oh yay it’s here ! I wish you taught all my courses at college >.
I have never been this earlier before, I feel so proud that I'm gonna pat myself on the back
*Pat,pat,pat
pat pat pat
imagine beeing proud of coming early
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YESYESYESYES! The Shudou video is finally here! ❤❤❤❤😭 thank you so much for making this video!
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Your word play game, sir, is S-tier!
I love this video :)
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imagine real gays in that period though who where expexted to mature and be straight yet they just keep goin gay like whoop japan you make things the most complicated 😂
You can say it was a way to cram the idea of gayness within a heteronormative framework.
Linfamy's previous video does mention instances of octogenarian Wakashu.
It wasn't like that as long as men dressed like a Wakashu they were considered Wakashu. Some Wakashu were as old as 90 years old. So if someone wanted to keep sleeping around with other men all you'd have to do is dress up like a Wakashu.
Actually this type of system was incredibly normal around the world pre-Christian Europe practiced this and it seems homophobia seems to be unique to Abrahamic religions.
@@kekero540 Homophobia is not unique to Abrahamic religions. Go to twitter and search up 同性婚 and you will see plenty of homophobia, ranging in opinions such as "they're pushing an agenda to destroy Japan" to "don't call it marriage" and all sorts of stuff.
Actually, the more you look into it, the more surprising similarities you will find all around the world. For example, homophobia in medieval Europe did not originate from Christianity, instead Rome itself was already homophobic enough and only tolerated it in such heteronormative contexts like master-slave relationships, and Christianity ended this because they were against master-slave relationships.
Homophobia as we know it today came about around the Victorian era with the invention of psychiatry that made homosexuality become seen as a disorder, whereas in the previous centuries of Europe, it was only seen as a possible transgression similar to adultery.
"You're supposed to pull your step sister from out her predicament, then slept with her" 🥴
"you know it's wrong but at some point you just gotta get off"
dude, with your way of words, you need to write a book
“Still not describing them...you dirty viewer!”
Ouch! But but... ;p
That’s enough Japanese history for this lifetime
Ikr 😂
God your humour is so on point today 😩👌👌
8:19 so that's why hardcore yaois are early and vastly present in japan
You are quite knowledgeable and I love your sense of humour :)
So.....another video informing us about Japanese romance? Ok. Oh gosh, I feel like I wasn't supposed to know some of that. Too late now. :3
Too late, stuck in your head now.
I swear to God the idea sounded better in discord.
Are you responsible for this?
There was a similar phenomenon among the ancient Greeks (the aristocracy) and in Afghanistan today, and probably many other cultures. I think it happens when you have a culture where access to women by young men (up to age 30) is very controlled, and you have a strong martial tradition that starts at around 12-ish, where teens and young men live a separate warrior life. You end up with a very macho warrior culture but where most men in their 20s are having sex (active role) with teen-age boys (passive role), but it's just a phase in their life, with the men marrying and being heterosexual after age 30. It makes me wonder about medieval European knights and their page boys.
All cultures. Every single one
This video is every bit as entertaining i expected it to be.
So this is like reading info why there are more shota in a genre of BL literature.
I love this channel. Thanks for sharing the knowledge and taking the work of making these videos for us. ❤️
Thanks, I just dumped a lot of this info in class and now I have counseling🕺😭
I really like the video, your explanations and sense of humor :)
Your humour is VICIOUS, My Man! In a VERY, VERY, GOOD WAY, of course. My Best. Out.