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Hey Evan! Just to let you know that you forgot to change the weight in kgs on 6:29 as 34.6lbs is 15.7kg. Im still giving a like to this video man, good work😄
Updurooooooo!!! Still mind blown how light the Collosus is now. 💪
Edit: low key love seeing myself lurking in the back. 🤣
Nice Cameo! 😁
Fun fact, the old Colossus n9 with the fs3 linkage only weight 13.8kg.
But it was also full carbon and cost 3k more than the current one in my country's currency lol. Or 2.2k USD.
I have a Colossus T8, the 140mm trail version. It's about the same weight as the n9 back then.
But like it's a Collosus, none of them ever feel near as heavy as they actually are.
I also have a 2017 Siskiu d7 that should be slightly lighter but it feels way heavier.
Trailduro
The rear end feeling higher is because you reduced the fork travel by 10mm. If you want it to feel similar to how it was originally, I'd recommend going for a mullet setup.
Or he could put a 170mm air shaft in that 36.
Hey Evan, enduro racer here. IMO the biggest thing you can do to improve your riding if you're serious about training for racing is adding in 2-3 strength sessions per week (if you arent already). Focus on explosive movements and work on building your core. I promise you will feel a difference in your riding in a couple weeks.
I would lean more towards the 10 hrs a week side of things - im not sure 15 is necessary unless you're planning on doing XC especially with the family and all that. Obviously stick to mostly z2 but add some more intensity intervals one day as well.
Hey man! Thanks for the tips. I'm sure I'll try Enduro eventually, but those Enduro race speeds can be scary AF. So XC and cyclocross are what I'm eyeing. I have a gym membership so I will add that in. I'm really considering making daily videos of training for a second channel
So much this! I'm out with a broken leg, but weight training, endurance training, and ESPECIALLY stretching has made a monster difference. Evan looks like he's in good shape but for anyone that isn't, I'd add diet to that too ... Funny how the best way to be a better rider doesn't include actually riding your bike, but for enduro racing it's tried and proven!!
@@EvansMTBSagaI'd watch that, and if you ever need fitness tips specific to mtb there's a lot online or hit up your own subs. I ride mostly bike parks but what took me to that next level was working on strength and flexibility!!
strength training makes everything better! and bulking up and getting stronger can also improve your power to weight ratio, which means bigger/stronger guys can climb faster than smaller weak guys (unless you become a complete mass monster)
6:31 might need to update the new kg number :)
6:29 Wow your bike lost 4 pounds, but it didn't loose any kilograms. Incredible.
Taking about his bank account 😂
No more kg listing from here on out!
Came here to post the same thing...
@@EvansMTBSaga Or you could just use kilograms like a normal person
Please don't stop posting Kg, I'm furiously scrolling through comments to find someone has converted it for me! Lbs just don't make sense!
Those new brakes look so sick ... No doubt in my mind Evan will have a new "transmission" come Christmas!! Best MTB channel going right now, imo on par with Seth.
Colosus would look mint with transmission
My fav trail setup is rekon 2.6 front 2.4 rear. They roll super fast, pump excellent, corner perfectly fine, they just get sketchy when it gets steep and loose.
I will change my rear dissector 2.4 for Rekon 2.4 make some tests
I forgot to mention they aren’t the greatest in the wet
I am actually planning on doing some stuff to my 2016 Fuel EX8. Its started off as a 120mm front/120mm rear travel bike. I plan to over fork it too 140mm with a fox 34 or 36. May experiment and see if I can do something to get more travel out of the rear as well. Plus a new wheelset and drivetrain and a custom paint job. I can't afford a new bike but this should make it much more capable. You have inspired me to attempt to do more to my bike myself.
Calling this bike "Upduro", Enduro or whatever anyone else care to label it is kind of silly. The most important thing about any bike is that you have FUN riding it. I've grown to love riding so much in the past 3 years that I have only put just over 1000 (1035.8 )miles on my vehicle. I ride nearly everywhere now and I don't like anywhere near a bike friendly town like Bentonville! I have fun on each and every ride.
I love lighter faster tires on my bikes, particularly the rear. Adds a great snappiness. I'm planning to convert my 2023 Norco Optic mid-travel trail bike (with enduro geo) into a downcountry bike with 130 in the front and 120 in the rear, and I'm probably going to try out Vittoria Barzo front/Mezcal rear. It already has a Bontrager XR2 on the rear, which I picked randomly off the shelf at my local Trek when the stock Martello had a sidewall burst. I'm not a fan of Bontrager tires (I had three punctures that required replacement on the Bontrager GR1s for my Trek Checkpoint gravel bike within like three months, and then learned they don't have any anti-puncture tech), but the XR2 is one of my favorite tires. After the fiasco with the GR1s, I went to Vittoria Mezcal 44mm for my gravel bike, and they're easily my favorite tires ever.
I really enjoy a lot the upgrades you make...the point is the weight. Mine is 14.5kgs 29er, frame/wheels aluminium , 140mm/120mm full suspension RockShox, Nx sram group set with 203/180 rotors 4 piston deore XT brakes, dropper post and 2.40 tubeless Maxxis tires, and when you say 17.5kg that sounds a truck to me including your dreaming BERD wheels, I would love to have those with an industry 9 hubs to get the 14kgr or less for sure... anyway... Cool videos as always
I think too many people get hung up on what class a bike fits in and they are way over biked. Hardtails will do 99.99999% of all trails in North America if driven right.
Who cares what kind of bike it is as long as it fits and feels good. Ride it!
For fitness, put a bunch of weight in a backpack, grab one of your “enduro” bikes, loosen the rebound all the way up and pedal that disaster train up a bunch of hills with long climbs and short descents. Do that 2 days a week and lift 2 days a week. It works.
Nice setup! Plus 10mm less travel shouldn't feel much different if at all.
Just chill man. That's going to be my quote of the day. Love it.
Hey mate. I know you love the polygon. I have a Vitus sommet 297. It is also pretty cheap starting from 2500 or sth I guess. I got the crs version that retails for 3700 in the moment. I changed the tires to some with less casing and have my bike know at 15,7kg with steardy dt Swiss rims, i9 hubs and the same rockshox stuff that came with your polygon. Considering that my upgrades in terms of weightsaving where the tires and some carbon handlebars I think I made a pretty good deal with my bike. Maybe you should have a look at that bike :) it is one of the cheapest carbon frames out there and is available in mullet or 29“. And it is honestly the best bike I’ve ever ridden :) love your content btw. I am here since ur very early days and it has been nice seeing the Chanel grow :) greetings from germany
Love me some short travel trail bikes (aka down country). Bentonville is similar terrain to where i ride and a full blown Enduro bike is heavy and over biked. All personal taste but sometimes less is more. 120mm hardtails also great 👍👍👍
This is why I love enduro bikes, so versatile and much like Evan, I love tinkering with my bike (and buying completely unnecessary parts I really don't need ... At least he's got the excuse of his channel and could write it off)!!
agreed!
thx for the video. No Duro needed for Bentonvile in my opinion... Trail bike ideal..
That sixer suspension setup is impressive at 34 pounds it's starting to make sense for climbing, somewhat 😂
Tbh I'm jealous of this setup...
I've been under-tiring bikes for years. Not as "polarized" as this experiment, but my go-to type of bike for years, has been a short-ish travel trailbike (around 130-140 mm), but in general I've fitted them with XC-tires (though not the absolute lightest kinds) + an insert.
We don't have much rock in Denmark where I live, so these super burly chunky tires are not that needed for grip I find. But the travel is good for forgiving mistakes on jumps, line choice and what not, when you learn to rider hard and more aggressive, as the lower weight and rolling resistance will allow you.
The travel is what is forgiving particularly for someone on the heavier side. The beefy wheels and tires is what keeps your bike from disintegrating when riding lots of chunk super aggressive. But if the trails are not particularly chunky, you don't really need that level of robustness I find.
It's all about supporting your weak sides in relation to the trails you ride, and cutting weight and stability where you have it in excess.
A while ago I got my first enduro upgrading from a trail bike. There were no sick deals here in Spain as I need an XL and people ar shorter. However, I found a really good condition Orbea Rallon, which is just below your weight. However, second hand it cost me 2450, came with the 36 factory, XO1 stuff and a DHX2 coil shock. However, it also got enduro casings and rims. I think if you don't have the parts for cheap, or such a deal on a bike, a second hand high spec can be found if you wait and look a bit.
The trails you have are so so smooth I would for sure run lighter tires. Here I even do on rocks sometimes with the trail bike.
For the waterdrop, I just got inverse osmosis, and that's another great option!
I'm going Enduro right away but unsure about groupset, I want XX1 but hear XO1 is for Enduro
Also tyres I'm looking at Rocket Ron but unsure how they manage with Enduro since they say XC
@@mlee6050 just get some light enduro tires with the light casing if there are not too many rocks, get the middle one if there are (super gravity or DD). Especially the compound matters. In the rear put hard to mid, in the front mid to soft, depending on what you like. Soft soft is costly and slow, it literally slows you down going downhill, but the grip is uncompared and it dampens out the trails a lot.
my trail bike is being slowly changed with some xc, but mostly enduro and DH parts on the trail frame. so it doesn't fit into the conventional categories with its DH coil shock (upgraded from rockshox monarch) or more heavy parts.
it is working super well on what i ride
Nice set up Evan! Enjoyed this video :)
The stock one is 17.5 and the upgraded is also 17.5? :D
all you need is a killer light weight wheel/tire set and a burly wheel tire set to have essentially two completely different bikes. Basically why I am considering the BERD Hawk 30s for my Yeti SB 5.5 that is currently set up for park/aggressive trail.
Berd spokes are a game changer! I'm working on getting a Berd wheelset for Enduro
From Montreal Canada! This is my favorite MTB channel by far🎉
Thank you Alain!!
my 160mm enduro bike with coil shock, dropper and nothing carbon exept the handlebar weights 14,6kg and rides amazing
Do what you got to do. XC parts on an Enduro build? Cool. I have a new RM Element with a 150mm Domain, 2.6 Tires, and proper brakes (but that starts life as an XC rig). Colossus looks great!!
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@@EvansMTBSageBike 🤣🤣🤣
Nice video Evan keep up the great content!!
Pretty amazed you were able to drop that much weight
aside from the xc tires (which more people should be using anyway), are not all the other parts pretty much the same but lighter?
I have scott genius 950 from 2020, with 150mm travel front and rear and I use two wheelset. One is for all mountain riding and second one is for xc ride with maxxis rekon race tire. With twinloc system, bike is ready for anything. I ride on road and 5 months ago, I rode 235km in one day and it took me 11h and 46min of moving time. I love make experiments with my bikes.
Heck yeah! That's the way to go. Two wheelsets
Wow that is a huge weight savings! I put lightweight tires on my new hardtail… feels so much faster having less rolling weight 👍 almost too fast on jumps now 😅 great video!
Love it!
Try the Hunt Trail Wide wheels on the polygon! They’re relatively cheap, lightweight, good engagement and durable.
I'll check into that! thanks!!
What kind of power meter are you using? I saw it was on your chain ring opposed to the crank itself which, I imagine, has to save some money. Thanks!
at 6:28 you forgot to update the kg number. Love the videos! I'm thinking of doing something similar to this on my bike.
If you are looking for a really good enduro race close to home there will be a big mountain enduro in mt. Nebo Arkansas in 2024 I think it is in may.
Thanks for the comment. I don't think I want to race Enduro. One day I'll try it, but I prefer to race bar to bar with people
All-mountain category just made a comeback with this video
Thank you for the video Evan 👍 Why don't you change he air-spring and turn the 36 into a 170mm?
Definitely a possibility and I probably will. Just didn't want to spend the money
I love my n7 I ride it just about everyday here in the far northeast and it handles everything beautifully, build the bike you want to ride man 🤘 . Seat time is the best training btw🫡🙏🔥
Conversion shows you went from 17.5kg down to 17.5kg
If you go down a XC racing path, I think a really cool video idea would be to compare and contrast XC MTB training/racing to BMX. I think it would be a really cool opportunity to shine light on your BMX background!
You should try to make a slopeduro bike, just like the meta ht but with a full suspension trail bike, i feelike it could work pretty well for bentonville
you've inspired me to make a new video today and post by the end of the day!!! Thanks my dude!!!!
For sure man! Get after it!
I ride XC type tyres all the time on my short travel trail bike, my favorite being the vittoria syerra, 840g for a 29x2.4, rolls almost as fast as their barzo but with more edge grip than the agarro, on hardpack and loose over hard you don't need a big chunky heavy enduro tyre, they just make your bike feel sluggish, I ride with people on enduro bikes with enduro tyres all the time, and they're not any faster, unless you ride in a area with lots of sharp rocks then you may need a dual ply tyre.
I was thinking something a little more aggressive for the front. I had a Syerra and Ardent in my attic. Compared them side by side with Ground Control and all 3 have identical tread (maybe 99% the same). Syerra is definitely a good one!
@@EvansMTBSaga I haven't tried the others but you can run the syerra at quite low pressures, I'm about 73kg and run the front at 17 to 18psi, Vittoria tyres seem to last for ages too, I got 2 years out of a barzo on the rear, it still had a few mm of tread left when I replaced it too.
What's going on with your Polygon DSE Evan?
I upgraded mine with 140mm Rockshox gold RL35 fork, nukeproof horizon rims with Vittoria Mazza's. Guess it's more of a down/trail bike now but my god it rides so nice now that wobbly Suntour fork is gone!
It's certainly all the bike I'd really need for my local trails. Full enduro bike would be an absolute slog to ride here.
Next video! I have some exciting things to install on it
@EvansMTBSaga Awesome! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Love your videos 👌
This made me want to ask is it Enduro or upduro, I'm looking to build a Enduro but going by manufacturer claim weight on parts with axs dropper it will be 11.4kg (about 22.88lb, I guessing best can, trying to convert weight in my head)
In the meantime I also think an enduro with trail parts is nearly what current trail bikes are. Their frames are nearly enduro like built and weight . So having an enduro and making it fast for daily riding sounds more versatile then a Trailbike
Is Upduro the new term for All Mountain?
I was just in Bentonville for the first time last week, does the water always taste that bad??
Fun fact; It's the sweat of every mountain biker, they collect drops via an underground collection system to reuse as drinking water 😂
It comes and goes. Overall better than Phoenix water that tasted like metal and sulfur haha
It is lighter but also the xc tires make it easy to climb too
you could buy a reverse angle spacer for remaining the geometrie of the bike
upduro is a race format where they dont time the downhill but they will time your climbs
I added 2.4 scorpions on my Commencal Tempo. It’s now blazing fast… I was surprised about the grip.
Oh heck yeah! I've wanted to try those tires. Most people really don't need the super aggressive tread
Hey Evan! I have a question, I am looking for a bike to race xc and ride bike park and a budget under 2500, do you have any recommendations, thanks! Love your videos ❤
Did it not mess with the geo having the front travel being 160mm and 170mm in the rear?
I didn't notice any difference. Felt like a really high up XC bike with those wheels 🤣
Basically trail bikes are the best! There is much more of a case for light bikes than I would like to admit. My main rides are 160/160 and 170/166 and if anything that will change to 170/170 and 180/166. Neither of them is light though the 160 one is about 37 lbs now. I would love a lighter bike but I can’t stand the flexy feel of lighter bikes (and my arse is fat).
So Pinkbike was right, influencers just wish they could be racers but since they can't, they just record themselves bumbling down trails 😉😉
I know you're joking around, I saw the video from Loam Ranger. But I've been a racer since I was a kid. Gonna start with structured training to get super fit, but only if it's fun. Once super fit I can see if I want to race.
9:16 well thats is enough to buy this bike, its compress very well in the rear to not catapult you in a bad way...
I think you should race for fun and vlog it 🤙
You should put a grippier front tire. Maybe a Specialized Slaughter or Butcher 2.5. Would still get some of the nice efficient rear end with that combo.
Ive ordered a Eliminator and a Purgatory (black Friday $30 a piece)
@@EvansMTBSaga Legit, I hope we can get some tire reviews in the process too.
Does it compete with my flatduro? I'm confused maybe it's more like my mountainduro?
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Haha love it!
an upduro is a light induro? with xc tires?
Light Enduro, light tires. XC tread optional, yet perfect for my terrain
Why would you put at 160 fork with 170 rear?? Wouldn't that goof up the geometry?
Mainly cuz I wanted the lighter fork just to test this Upduro project. I can get a new air spring and go 170, but didn't want to pay for one just yet. I ran it through the geo calculator and the HTA went from 63.5 to 64
@@EvansMTBSaga Oh that doesn't seem much but still a odd combination!
Hey look.. it’s Jared. If it’s your bike, make it what you want if it gets you outside and having fun doing it.
please build a slopeduro and test it on a slopestyle course. Btw the weight which you wrote on the screen was both 17.5kg. ❤
Hey Evan. I hope you read this. I'm looking at a Commencal Meta TR V4 or a Polygon Siskiu T8 and I can't make up my mind for the life of me which bike I want.
I know you've ridden both Commencal and Polygon, so you have first-hand experience. I live in Indiana so I don't have many technical trails or jump lines near me. However, my brother lives in Colorado and I plan on traveling more this year to ride more technical trails. I used to ride BMX and want a bike that can handle anything I throw at it around 2k. Please help!
Hey man!! I'm a former bmxer myself so I think the polygon is the better option. It's a bit more agile whereas the Commencal is made for super chunk. I hope you enjoy it!!
@EvansMTBSaga dude thanks! The commencal is a gorgeous looking bike and I feel like that's what keeps drawing me back to it. But fox suspension on the polygon also stands out. I'll get the siskiu T8
Weighed the droppers with different seats tho
Real.upduro bike is the banshee prime rrt from rulezman, 12.4kg of what an all round MTB should be
There are still unexplored possibilities with the categories... at least name wise. Dirt country, Cross jumper, Dutchduro...
Haha I love it! Gonna use that next video
@@EvansMTBSaga Just matter of how ridiculous you'd wish to go. For example we know how cross country bike looks like, but what about cross hip hop or cross metal bikes? Around hill bikes? There are road bikes, gravel bikes, mountain bikes, but no grass bikes... yet 😁
all nice but the final weight in kg is the same as the stock
Can't wait for the bumbleduro
Oh man this is gonna be the new mtb video term and I love it.
34lb 12oz Nukeproof Giga super enduro bike here, with the zeb ultimate 😎
Those bikes are so awesome!
@@EvansMTBSaga ill holler next time i'm in bville, i'll let you give it a try!
Wouldn’t a upduro just be a longer travel trail bike
hmmm, more expensive means more light. Good to know
kilograms are same on both stock and upgraded, the upgraded is 15.0kg
Dang I always mess that up. Im done listing the kg from here on
6:28 you have a typo
When this dude says "budget", I always think he's in the low $1200ish range for parts, but nope, lol.
Its the cheapest Enduro bike on the market with great suspension. Budget has a different number figure for everyone
Goonzquad on his shirt💀💀💀
I just got a roscoe 7 so I can’t get this but I really want it now
wow 17.5kgs before and after upgrade
Not sure if you are aware of this but most serious mountain bikers do not adhere to the category of “boxes” that you described. You may purchase an enduro bike but that does not mean you need to ride “enduro”. Most people buy a bike that suits the trails they mostly ride. Then go a step further to change some components to really suit those specific trails.
I watch a lot of your videos and you often get hung up on categories within the broader sport of biking. Didn’t you just say we are all just riding bikes? My $10K bike certainly does not make me better than anyone in the sport. At the same time it does not require me to live up to any standard that other people have decided in their minds based on the price of a bicycle.
Build your bike the way you like and ride the trails that make you happy.
Good words of wisdom! I appreciate it!
I built a specialised stunt jumper full sus at 12.5 kg on a budget.
I would throw shorter evo suspension on there
Only Crossduro And Trailduro names are missing now😂 since we have Enduro, Downduro, Parkduro and Upduro
I converted my 150/160mm travel Specialized Stumpjumper EVO into a "All-Mountain-Cross" bike. I ditched the stock tires for a lightweight fast-rolling 2.6 Maxxis Rekon front and 2.6 Maxxis Ikon rear. I installed a 28 tooth chainring for that super low granny gear. I adjusted the geometry to the steepest head angle and lowest bottom bracket. I narrowed up the handlebars. I firmed up the rear suspension to improve pedaling efficiency. Weighs 31 pounds. There you have it, a long-travel Downcountry bike. Climbs and pedals like an XC bike. Descends like an All-Mountain bike.
That's so cool! More extreme than my UpDuro build. But it's about making a bike fun for you to ride
yo bro still you got that canyon?
I do, but it's stripped down to the frame
hmmm, I'll be honest I dont like asking for stuff but theres a problem
I have a rockrider st30 which is bent now.. idk if theres a possibility
I'm currently stripping a sombrino hardtail, my son wanted it polished, two weeks in I can say I underestimated the task. 🤬😅😂
no reply?. @@EvansMTBSaga
Try a mezzer, the bike will become feather light
16% and most people walk it? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 🤣
Pls purchase a cotic mtb! You will not regret it!
34.6pounds=15.69kg
how do you join the sarga squqd
squad
Saga Squad is a reference to people who watch all my stuff and comment with good ideas
Upduro = All Mountain ? 😂
6:28
looks like no gram reduction for me
Anyone in the comments know where to buy a Colossus in Canada? As far as I know the only Polygon dealer is MEC and they don't carry it and will not order one for me :/
What ratchet do you have
for me, enduro bikes only need to install Aenomaly Switchgrade to make it "up-duro."
😬😬 expensive
@@EvansMTBSaga it’s just so good at giving you a platform to pedal on during climbs!
4 lb = 4000$ 😂😂😂 what a rip industry