Is a $1000 dropper really worth it? High Low Ep 2
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@@codyfournellcsrf5164 Nord is getting DDOS'd at the moment lol
Hi Evan I love the inspiration u took from donut media
In my opinion for the low bike I would go with a micro shift advent or advent x drivetrain I have one and I’ve never had any problems. Keep riding
The shimano deore groupset is pretty good too
@@kekhrieshuya5479 I also agree with that too
My micro shift advent group set works really well as well, and it's lighter than shimano XT (not that I'm a weight weenie)
i’m a bicycle mechanic and have been working with a lot of microshift recently as of shortages in shimano supply. i have been really impressed by that stuff and you get a really good bang for your buck!!
Honestly if you want to go mega cheap mode acolyte with a different derailleur works pretty well too
I can tell you put a lot of effort into this series. Keep it up!
when a single dude alone can do a better job than pinkbike
Haha thanks Koala!!
exactly
$800.00 for a seatpost? That is actually more than the cost of a good hardtail, with decent quality components. Even if cost wasn't a factor, I just couldn't see myself buying one.
I’d only ever get one if I learn barspins and want a cleaner cockpit for that
@@nathancheung3601 Cool point. But, seeing that I am 55 years old and having had many hip surgeries, I don't think that handlebar spins are I my future. 😜
if price wasn't an issue why would you not want one?
I could see the use for an expensive wireless if you didn’t have an existing option to route cables. Never drilled a hole in a carbon frame, hope I never do.
Donut media high-low but with bikes. (Same music and edit style)
I love it. Keep up the good work!
I love how Chad is like the devil on the shoulder and Evan is the voice of reason
Haha it's funny you say that. I tried to explain that on camera but it didn't work out well, then you explain it so well in one sentence haha. Thanks George!
Love these videos Evan, I love all your videos, at this point they make me as happy as when Seth uploads! All the little jokes...Chad is on full snob mode! 🤣🤣 Why do I foresee Chad buying an electronic SRAM of Shimano drivetrain? And I’ll bet Chad will be the first on the pre order list for electronic brakes, lest just hope those don’t run out of battery mid-run! Has he also got electronic lockouts and stuff planned for his forks and shocks?
I have a feeling electric drivetrain is in the future too hahah. But I've been wanting for electric brakes for myself! I think it's so cool haha
@@EvansMTBSaga shouldn’t have to untwist cables after barspins lol but you really don’t want the battery to go flat
Such a great series! I like it way more than pinkbikes because you are actually using reliable components that beginners, and intermediate riders would actually consider buying! Keep up the great work!
Good start can't wait for more from this series
I've been waiting forever for another episode on this series, thanks for uploading
Thx for the quality content! I never thought about swapping a post between a few bikes, interesting concept for those that could make it work. As for me I have 3 bikes, 2 with 210 posts, 1 with 170 (210 won’t fit frame), and all diff diameters.
I used to have different diameters too. I wish there was an industry standard!
You could always get the dropper that fits the slimmer tube and get shims for the other bikes. STONKS
Yo Evan thanks for the great/fun content man keep it up! Maybe I’ll see ya out on the trails. Ride AZ brotha!
This is a good high low comparison for sure. Good one bro! I just rode your local trail a couple days ago. Down from the Christmas tree through kimurls hurl is a fun section over there. Ride safe and keep the shiny side up!
Solid stuff man, Can’t wait for more episodes!
I dont really think 2 different droppers would change your time on timed course since they can't really do that, its not a direct performance enhancement like a fork or tires. But this only appiles if both posts are working with no issues of course. But I do think this video does prove a good point about different benefits between the droppers.
Yeah an $800 dropper is kind of absurd!
Don't forget it wasn't just droppers, he also purchased new seats for both bikes which could improve the time with comfort and power efficiency and what not
My 95 dollar dropper is a fucking champion.
@@johanandersson6812 my $120 brand x ascend still works better and way more consistantly than my fox transfer ($400) with a kashima coat 💀 it's honestly embarrassing how much better it works
Love how you took what is wrong with the pink bike series and fixed it
I dont usually leave comments, but this series deserves all the algorithm-generating love it can get. Awesome work man!
Dude thanks James I appreciate you looking out like that!
This series is so good!!
excellent video as always. thanks for the content.
Really nice video. Keep it up dude!
I've been subbed to this channel since around 6k subs and the quality of content is amazing. I am so pleased to see you getting the recognition you deserve
Thanks dude it's been a crazy journey!
Donut Collab when 🤣, keep up with the series man, lovin it!
just found this channel and your videos are awesome! Keep up the good work
I actually just bought a office chair dropper post and love it! It does look a little weird tho reaching into my growing area on the trails… looking forward to seeing you change the bike into a 29er!
Did the same thing on my hardtail but attached a brake cable and lever to it. Looks even weirder when I grab the wrong lever
Great to see you grow so fast Evan, been here since 1k
Always a great day when you upload
LETS GOO im so glad you finally got a sponsor you make amazing underrated content
Love the intro of this series
Nice episode, can't wait for the fork upgrade.
Funny same day you posted this Seath posted in Instagram that he had forget the battery of his dropper at home while he was in Sedona. So he had to buy one there.....PS I like your videos
Love the series and the creativity plus some pretty cool camera angles. The Nord VPN ad was a little over the top...
Looking forward to the next vid. Keep them coming!
Trying to be creative with it and helps fund these super expensive videos
Your dedication on this was well worth it. I like your acting, I think it suits perfectly on that character 😀
By the way I hope you don't go bankrupt after this series hahah
It's only getting crazier after this just wait haha. But I plan on selling most everything after so I won't be out much money
Great series!! This is SO much better then the PB version of this. Can't wait for the next episode!
it’s a stolen series from donut media with cars it’s literally 1:1 stolen same music format everything fucking plagiarised
@@IeuanParsons he acknowledged that at the beginning. It’s fine. You gotta chill
REMEMBER grease is for moving parts and should not be applied for things like seat posts which are not meant to move!!!
A thin layer wont hurt. Been doing it for 30 years with no problems.
My oneup dropper v2 is amazing, I know it’s gonna work every time I use it. It’s $200. And I’ve crashed hard and it’s held up perfectly.
Thx...exactly what I am looking for...struggling between PNW Loam vs Reverb AXS.
Loam for sure
Great video Evan! PNW also has lifetime warranty and not sure on the fancy one! What about adjustability in dropper height if you were to switch between bikes? Quality production and looking forward to rest of series
I need to look into that because the Selle seat is taller so the Reverb is about 5mm too tall for me
Upgraded my dropper today but had to go via external wiring because my bike is not dropper ready works just fine
Yeah external droppers are cool! Better than drilling out your frame lol
@@EvansMTBSaga or spending 800 bucks on an wireless one
Sick video dude. Could you please do a review on magura mt5 brakes one day please?
Man that's actually a really good point with the reverb just have to remember the lever aswell ad the post hahaha
I always wanted to see a bike version of hi lo, the gods have answered me lol
another all-nighter another banger video
The microshift advent/ advent X groupset would work really well on the low bike
id go with deore 11/12 spd
@@drownedgod deore isn't as good specs wise for the price and they're nearly both as good as eachother. Also it's cheaper which fits the high V low theme going. People who have bought a budget/big box bike usually don't want to spend a fortune on their bike and microshift is a great option. I just think it fits the series better than deore.
I like this video Its like watching Donut media Hi Low,But on a Bike series one.👍
Sweet video Evan. Your acting is super cheesy and that’s just all part of the fun! Keep it up.
That look like a Loam lever, which adds another $70 on that PNW dropper. I run a brand X and love the dropper, but added a Wolftooth ReMote immediately. THAT adds up to a premium $200 dropper experience!
It was the cheaper $30 PNW lever which I don't think is sold anymore.
Love the series so far. High bike really has to get a thru rear axle on its frame though. No amount of high quality parts will fix the QR flex in the rear triangle.
I have a plan for that!! 🙂
Awesome dude. I look forward to seeing it. Keep up the good work!
The mtb version of donut media hi/low I love it
I'm always tempted to get an AXS dropper but biggest benefit to me is not having to deal with internal routing when I do the initial setup. I've had One Up and PNW droppers and they've been great so getting an axs dropper is just not worth the additional cost to me like getting an AXS groupset is.
When it comes to swapping the seatpost between bikes, it is easy to move the seatpost between them, but the controller requires you to take off the grip and possibly the brake lever to slide it out unless you get a clamp for each bike, then it's just not worth the time it takes when a regular dropper is already good to go.
The dropper remote can unbolt from the clamp, and you'd need another clamp on the other bike. But I see what you're saying. I've swapped the dropper between bikes a few times now, but I think I'll ultimately not keep the Reverb AXS because I have similar feelings
I love this!!!! Donut media do the same thing but with cars. It's called Hi&Low
For sure man! I credited them in the description. Huge inspiration
Evan must have been watching Donut Media -- that other bike network channel did something similar recently, but missed the mark. This promises to be better, at least for entertainment. Subbed.
That's exactly what this reminds me of!!
Sick reverb dropper. I have a question though, what if you ran out of charge halfway on tour ride, can you manually control it still?
Nope. I believe that the battery will allow one more activation and go down, not 100% sure on that
That's too bad. Wouldve been perfect if it had both manual and auto controls. I have a feeling the RD would also be wireless 😜😜😜
actually front derailleur has very nice advantages over 1x. one big thing for me is chainline.
One question. I'm 2:35 into the video. Are you adding friction paste or regular grease? If it's grease, apply as little as you can, just to stop it from binding, otherwise your seat will rotate and ask for more clamp force which can damage clamp, frame or even seat post. Not trying to be smart, just to help some folks.
Regular grease. I usually grease it up, but I took the glove and rubbed it in super thin this time to avoid creaking. But you recommend friction grease instead? I love learning new tricks
I remember using toothpaste to stop my seat from twisting and sinking.
Grease had to be cleaned off first, it worked incredibly well, never had a problem since.
Your videos are so entertaining
Stupid question, is that grease that you put on your dropper post before inserting it in the frame? What is its use?
ayo the way he greaces the low dropper😳
This is exactly what donut media did even the music and the intros
Please if you decide to swap tyres, could you go with the same width and thread pattern for both bikes? You know, low end and high end compound versions within the same model. So that we can see the difference between actual rubber.
Can you give examples? I'm open. I bought one set of tires already but always open to changing my mind
@@EvansMTBSaga For instance Continental has cheaper tyres with basic compound and more expensive black chilli rubber (x-king). Bontrager has XR2 comp version with single compound and XR2 team issue with multiple compounds. Schwalbe (nobby nic) does the same thing with performance and super trail/super ground versions.
@@mac16a I would interested in this as well. Tires can have a big impact on performance on a bike.
For example, running wire bead maxis dhf’s vs exo+ max terra dhf’s
@@harrybarrett5085 exactly what I mean. But both sets with the same width and runs done on the same pressure regardless if tubeless or with innertubes.
Droppers are weird, as the oneup is in reality the best one on the market for practical use, lots of travel options, low stack, low insert and good actuation/reliable.
the AXS Rockshox is very good performance wise and you get to remove a cable, but for me put it in this perspective: oneup 240 dropper, $320NZD. they last years with rebuilds and bigger shims available for play with one downside of a cable vs the RS AXS, max 170mm travel, battery $1500nzd... two upsides, performs best on market and no cable.
Most dream builds dont even bother with AXS reverb.
and yes, i can afford one and used to have one on my Enduro bike.
this feels like bike donut!
I bought the reverb axs a while ago. I love it, but i also know i won’t buy another ever again
I was considering getting one. Why wouldn't you buy another?
@@BlueDevil1914 it works great but the price is astronomical. Many bikes don’t have the same seat post diameter, so swapping it between bikes isn’t always guarantee.
Love the donut media parody!
Is that fox 34 off ur d7? Since that's a 29er how is that going to work with a 27.5 wheel? Or if it's one of those forks that say 29/27.5+ It could work I guess
Funny how a dropper is the single most important upgrade one can make to a bike that doesn't have it, yet any cheap dropper is perfectly fine as long as it's reliable.
Man you're doing this better than pinkbike made it, hope you make smart upgrades!
For the budget fork, a manitou or an sr suntour air fork could do
not the sun tour there is already one and they suck
5:04 Seth back in 2015 used a front shifter as a dropper lever you should have done that to save the cost on a lever
Chad like that 1000% drip
Dude, if you work as a nurse to afford all that, you must be working your ass off. Hope this youtube stuff works out for you. Dope content by the way.
Dude I had a barspin project for a yt capra later and I really wanted to keed the kashima coat on all the suspension & dropper so I am wondering if I can dye the dropper stanchion of a reverb with the help of specialist or put reverb hardware on that stock fox transfer. Got any suggestions except bruh it doesn’t matter the color a dropper stanchion dude.
Yeah Im that same saga squad geek about your shock swap vid!
Ps rip everyone that its name is Chad
I think dyeing it would be very difficult and affect performance. And retrofitting a Fox transfer wouldnt work because the upper seat post is what carries the battery and that's what you'd be swapping. Sorry I couldn't be of more help and that sounds like a fun project
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks for the answer. I did research and you can actually take off the reverb electronic hardware and dye it. But as we know it will affect performance... perhaps I found a brand making moto stanchions! I asked them if maybe they could anodize the stanchions with their own anodizing baths and techniques from a good old al pipe with the same dimensions and holes of the reverb’s stanchion but shave 1mm off for the paint clearance. That’d be sick!
Nice Evan you got a sponsor!
Reverb AXS is so bomb man. Just wished they made the collar all black instead of silver.
I know exactly why it's silver! To stand out. Status symbol!
@@EvansMTBSaga Is that Chad talking? Lol
what toque set is that?
That Donut media MTB edition!
Cold weather affects a lot of the reverbs
Idk if u still have the front shifter on but if you do just go to your nearest bike store and buy a 30 tooth front one for like 25$ it’s better than having a big clunky 3 by
I just love the series way better than pinkbikes
On the 200 bucks range One-Up, hands down the best dropper post, saddle go Ergon.
One-up coming soon!!
Spending any more than $200-$220 for either a PNW or OneUp dropper is pretty much crazy talk…AXS is neat and all, but the dentists and doctors can buy those!
I've had people encourage me to get a $350+ Fox Factory dropper and I just couldn't pull the trigger yet just for a gold tube haha. One day I'll try Oneup!
I would like to hear more about the droppers, other than "worth it or not".
Where did you find abouy donuts high lownseries
Evan, please remember me when you'll be famous with hundreds of thousands of subscribers 😅
Will do Envire thanks for the support
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks a lot! I believe in you! I'm sure you'll make it in the scene like Seth over at Berm Peak
Love these type of videos. The acting is great too. Italian leather seat for my sweet cheeks…hold my La Croix. Hahahahaha
Haha I just had someone comment that the acting is getting worse! Thanks man!
Protect donut!
Should I get a 1x or a dropper first? (I have a sram XO 2x and a hope seat post)
If you are having MAJOR problems with dropped chains and bad shifting, then the drivetrain. If not, get a dropper
Nothing wrong with 2x. Get a dropper.
Someone's been watching donut media 🤔😂 nice job 👍🏻
Sidenote: the red bike the d5 went up to 1099. Although the 2021 version Is a 100 dollars cheaper and the parts o. Both bikes are the same exact color
For a budget dropper post another good one is x fusion manic dropper. Smooth and is a work horse.
Agreed. I have one in my Xtrada 7 and it has been fantastic.
I think most new droppers are pretty equal. Trans X was good to me too
@@EvansMTBSaga I agree with the development in technology is the last couple years even the budget parts are of good quality for the average rider. Awesome series you have got going on.
hello i have a question pnw components droper post came with cable
Yeah it comes with a cable
@@EvansMTBSaga thanks
Can you add a weight tally for each component on the episodes?
Yes will do! Forgot about that
Better version of what Pinkbike did as the budget parts actually make sense
At least you gave credit to donut media
I really want to see what brakes and drivetrain you will put on low bike hmm
Low bike is getting mid/upper tier surprisingly
And it'll still seem like a low price compared to what the high bike is getting
do you still get 5mm lateral looseness with this dropper post?
Yup! It's kind of normal for PNW. I've just learned to live with it
The carbon clamp seat just snap haha maybe aluminum is the best option I'm every bike
It worked really good for a year :(
@@EvansMTBSaga hahaha damn at least it last for a year I have a road bike but I only use alloy because I'm scared of carbon
thats like a high low series from Donut media but bike edition :D
Heck yeah!
it looks kinda similar to donut media's hi low series with two nissans 370z, hmmm even intro songs are the same
Yup I mentioned that multiple times.
i suggest that you install shimano deore to the low bike because for me shimano deore 11 speed was the best budget groupo you can buy the only difference with the high end xt and xtr is the material, but for me shiman deore is the best budget groupo
I bought a groupset from someone online, I believe it's SLX
@@EvansMTBSaga whats's the next episode is it the fork or the groupo?
Fork!
@@EvansMTBSaga well i hope you will upload it soon because i can't wait