Is the Quran the word of God? | Omar Suleiman and Lex Fridman
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Guest bio: Imam Omar Suleiman is the Founder and President of the Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research and a professor of Islamic Studies at Southern Methodist University.
Sorry but I cannot believe that a book which says that one man can marry a maximum of 4 wives is the word of God. But a woman under no circumstance can have more than 1 husband. I cannot believe God can say such a thing.
And why 4 ? why not 3 or 5 ? Well this so called divine revelation came when captured widows and girls were to be distributed among muslim soldiers. And they needed a guidance. And bingo ! came the revelation to ensure the generals don't take dozens of women and the ordinary soldiers also get a fair share. I challenge any muslim to tell me that this is not correct. I have exact quotations.
@@caesar_cipher Actually it's more depressing. The Quranic verses say you can marry up to 4 Muslim women (women who have converted to Islam), and "as many as your right hand possess". The phrase is meant for captive girls from other tribes who haven't yet converted to Islam, or such sex slaves "righteously" purchased from captive sex slave market. Islamic apologists says such practices were followed in those times everywhere, that's simply not true. As an example, buddhist literature that is 2500 years old puts trading human beings as a forbidden trade. Search the web for "buddhism 5 forbidden trades".
Why would a Southern Methodist University even teach this???
The prophets of the Torah from the Old Testament the same prophets largely of later Islam all prophesy very accurately 1000 years before all recorded in Jewish law and texts the crucifixion of the Messiah . Even the Quran states in clear terms the gospel and the Torah are the word of God . Not once does Muhammad ever have proof of his claims . Nor does he ever work wonders . Nor is there any prophecy being fulfilled from the Torah into the Quran .
The Quran has had revisions before. Most of other Quran versions were burned because they had variations from the authorized version that Muslims have today.
A quick google search will reveal this.
As far as the Bible, we have ancient texts that shows that it has not been “corrupted” as Muhammad said.
I memorised the quran when I was 13yrs and mind you Arabic isn't my mother language I did it b/c my parents were planed for me to memorise. after 10 yrs I understood why I'm muslim and everything made sense to me.
I'm memorising it again now but this time I'm enjoying the love of allah and his mercy. I can't thank enough my parents may allh be pleased with them, it is so easy for me now to memorise and enjoy the quran ❤
So lucky, i hope my parents make me memorize Quran too since kids, so it will be easier for me now when I get closer with Islam huhu
Ma Sha ALLAH May ALLAH SWT Makes things easier for you Aameen, I completed my memorization when i was 14 AH, i used to think why my parents made me to memorize the Quran when i dont understand a word, now ALHAMDULILLAH i realized im one of luckiest the person who's contributing a very very tiny part of preserving the Quran by the Grace of ALLAH SWT, To understand the Quran now i have been learning Arabic because translation cant give you the right taste and understanding of the Quran, ALHAMULILLAH
memorizing the worst book ever written only Islam lmfaoooooooooooo
@@r58302 how do u know? have you read the Quran? or you just speak whatever you listen?
@@AqeelAhmed-ef6um go ask yourself that Muslim. If you lived your life like Muhammad you would be a war lord with slaves and having sexual relations with children. Go read the Hadith instead of listening to your Imam
As a catholic, I really appreciate the reverence with Omar and others address the profets in not just Quran but profets in the Bible too, with a peace be apon him attached. I will do the same when I speak of the profet Mohammed, peace be apon him!
The Quran says “speak kindly to the Christian’s for they are the closet of faith to you from amongst them you will find people of reason and true faith”
What are you talking about. It literally says not to bless others who are evil doers. You catholics and your warped view on Christianity vexes me. Absolutely wicked! You don't even know your own book.
You do know Islam denies Christ died on the cross, denies his divinity. Scandalously says another took the place of Christ reducing Him to a coward. Islam is not Christian friendly
Read what St. Thomas Aquinas said on Islam
Allahuma salli wa salim wa baarik ala Muhamad wa aly Muhamad ❣
@@marlogue53 well said
The problem is not that the texts have been changed but the problem is that people interpreted them in ways that suited their wants and desires.
People's wants and desires being placed higher than their religion?! Impossible!
Humans have attempted this through history, Allah being the All-knowing All-wise prepared the cure for us to determine who is on the truth: following the the Prophets Way and the way of his Companions.
@@hamzanocap Muhammad is a false prophet, the Quran even says so. Qur'an 69:44-46 and Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713 both show that Muhammad was a false prophet and Allah cut his life artery, his aorta, as Muhammad himself even said would happen if he were not Allah's messenger.
Brother give it 5 years and the church will write homosexuality is okay in the bible. They are already allowing gay marriage even tho the bible is against it. So if the church can change their beliefs dont u think they will change whats written?
Idk what the F has been done or changed and how the righteous path has been twisted and twirled but for something I am 1000% sure, that the current state of the world today stinks! And it makes me wanna see drastic changes into it so big, that it even terrifies me for thinking those things!🫣
Lex is the first podcaster I've seen giving a platform for a Muslim to talk about the most controversial issues including the religion of Islam and the Israel apartheid. Mad props to him 👏
Bil Maher and the likes could never
Many platforms want Muslims to come on their platforms its Muslims themselves who don't go because they are scared of being exposed
I converted a few months ago and I have truly never been happier
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MashaAllah, may you continue to be this happy and blessed
Ignorant, lost and lonely people easily fall for scams (religion is a form of scam).
Allahu Akbar Alhamdulilaah ☝ welcome to Islam akhi 🤲😊🤍🫂🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Welcome brothe 🖤
As a new revert to Islam; Omar Suleiman has helped me a lot in understanding Islam. If you want God to guide you, no matter where you are, He will.
reverted...
@@serogaiusufir9615 Yea... In Islamic thought we have something called "Fitrah" which means, in basic terms, your innate calling to a single God. Every child is born with it and every person has it.
So, Islamic "converts" are called "reverts" because they are coming back to their "fitrah" or their innate inner calling to worship one singular God (that they had when they were born)
@@htownali And the same to you Amen!
@@solomontheadventurer6709 if it's true, why have we yet seen baby without any intervention pray 5 time a day and pledge loyalty to god.
Why is there polytheist if our nature is seeking one god ? if it was really innate, it would have been as oblivious as the need to eat to survive.
Islam was brought to a world by a man who had sex with a 9 year old when he was 53.
I myself memorize the Quran without a single mistake since over 16 years! Great clip.
On the same journey bro done 16 juz so far
@@ismailalom8936 nice. Keep up the hard work and you will cross the final line. The journey is a real fun!
@@spideramazon5032 Jazakallah
Do it for God only brother . Stop رياء
nobody ask bout that..i know that good thing, but stop telling people the good deeds you've done.
I believe it is.
And im Christian.
I had a dream of the moon falling to earth with Arabic characters on each quarter 3 months ago and woke up hyperventilating almost in tears.
I’m just now learning that that was a sign for me to at least read the Holy Quran.
PS- I still have Bible to 😇
May Allah guide. If you keep going on this journey towards truth you will find out that Muslims respect Jesus much more than Christians.
@@drillsportsAmeen
It would have been very informative if you discussed the Jewish and Muslim views on Ishmael and Isaac, and their relationship with Abraham.
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How does that matter when people are being killed in the name of Quran?
There's a book called The Sealed Nectar which goes into the Muslim perspective of Ishmael and Isaac.
@Name Same What name did the Nazis kill, on what name does the USA kill when they invaded, Afghan, Iraq, and Vietnam? On what name were the Africans killed the British and Europe invaded it?
@@absbi0000 yo that book is dope everyone should read it actually 👌💯
One thing I have noticed among my muslim friends is, they all have this sense of helping others go to heaven which is by converting them to become a muslim.
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That's fucking funny but true , if they fail to convert their friends they are considered enemies of the faith .
Well, they lead them to hell.
the islamic doctrine teaches that Jesus never paid for our sins, so the people choosing to believe in that will take the punishment themselves, which is sad to see.
That's sweet and shitty at the same time
As an outsider to all religions, I find it very telling how a child born to Christian parents (most likely) becomes a Christian, a child born to Muslims becomes a Muslim, a child born to Hindus becomes Hindu, etc. Also, the number of people who believe something has no bearing on its truth.
Actually your assertion probably isn't correct. If you are analysing it from a physics perspective. I mean of course we are not certain yet but I'd lean towards not concurring with your claim. When you take into account the possibility of parallel universes as well as string theory. The vast quantity of believers may very well have an affect on its existence. You may find yourself more successful in life if Instead of figuring out why something isnt. Analysing why so many believe it is so as well as why a set of beliefs has stood up for centuries. With a common understanding that human being have been here for thousands upon thousands of years more than origionaly understood it is infintile to write off ancient beliefs to just backwards people that weren't as advanced as our current ideration.....the pyramids alone debunk that theory.....God bless
@@scottgollahon3681 Not so sure about that. We (humans) used to believe many things that we now know were untrue. For example, evil spirits caused diseases, the Earth was the center of the universe, and less than 6K years old, etc. Speaking of religions, Christianity has more believers than Islam, so does that make it true (and Islam false?) No.
Omar Suleiman and Lex Fridman. Two giants of the 21st century. God bless Sheikh Omar for transmitting this message so clearly and with such knowledge. And God bless Lex for having the courage and wisdom to perform this interview and improve the views of Islam and Muslims amongst his viewership.
anyone get a count on how many times he said “Peace be Upon Him” in this clip?!?
They're obliged to do that with their prophet Muhammad, they place so much emphasis on him it becomes a form of worship. Muslims say they worship God alone but that's not true. They worship Muhammad, not just in prayer but in everything they do in life. They say he was the most perfect man and therefore must be emulated in every aspect of their lives. That makes it worship. So muslims idolize Muhammad more than God.
@@segagenysis6918wrong,
@@segagenysis6918 Completely and utterly wrong in what you've written.
@@africareigns Tell me how? Isn't prophet Muhammad a mercy to mankind, the most perfect example? Therefore he must be emulated. And if you copy everything he says and does then you are worshipping a him like a cult figure.
@Sega Genysis He is a prophet in Islam, just like Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Solomon to name a few (peace and blessings to them all).
I pray for the day we find life elsewhere in the universe
By far the best statement….
So? The Quran states that god has created other beings...so that would be proving it right.
@@tylerdordon99 God is outside this world even Adam were first outside this world until they were removed and placed here
@@abduleve8688 yes sir.
I meant no religious connection other than my hope that other life in the universe explains life on this planet. I know this would be difficult for religious people but an open mind protects us from shock
One of the best convos in podcasting. I love how lex lets his ppl speak no matter what belief
Usually his guests receive some critical questioning or pushback on claims. He didn't do that here because he knows Muslim people can't tolerate that kind of discussion
@@tbishop4961 exactly
He gave 0 push back the entire time
Because he knows some musIim guy may randomly stab him in the street
@@radvin1417 I don't think he figured someone would stab him so much as he wanted to keep the line of communication open. Lex seems to want to accomplish something
@@tbishop4961 by being a yes daddy? You achieve nothing by compromising 100% to someone with 0% compromisation
@@radvin1417 it's not rocket science. If you continue to approach a problem the same way over and over, you will get the same results. He normally pushes back, but I'm not sure that would have helped here
Over 3000 different gods before allah was thought of…. But you’re sure humans finally got it right with allah?
@@FA-hb3hf funny 😹🤣😂
Allah just means God in Arabic. Its not a special name. God is only one in Islam. If there were many, each one would have needed a special name.
Islam says that there was only one religion since the first human being came on earth and that was “submitting to God”. Prophets came to Earth to preach the same message. Prophet Muhammad came to an idolator society of Arabia to convey the same message and got rid of idolatory from Arabia and re established pure monotheism. Since he was supposed to be the last Prophet as the Quran claims, the Quran also clarified Jesus’s position and Trinity although Christianity wasn’t the predominant theology in Arabia at the time.
The biggest strength of Islam in America is that no one has read it enough to dispute what these people are saying.
Precisely. And that holds for almost anything in Islam. Islam has four different kinds of justified lying. Literally everything a Muslim says about their religion is thus suspect.
@@Muskeljudentum david wood fan spotted 😂😂
First I thought that this would go bad, but the begging, the "middle" and the ending of this vid, did put a smile to my face.🤲😇❤🔥🔥🔥🔥
I skipped to the middle, around 3:09, and he said "collected around"
Great interview 👌👌
Islam is the attempt of a child raping caravan robber to legitimize sin
I noticed that the negactive comments are all personal attacks instead of actual criticism
I saw a vid talking about atheism being a rebellion against oneself hence the need to virulently and unnecessarily attack anything that makes one ponder or question said rebellion.
What else is there to critique other than his character? Do we really need to say god isn’t real and therefore this man sounds like a lunatic
1. “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran2:191
“Make war on the infidels(non believers of
Islam) living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the
infidels(non believers of Islam) wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
• Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find
harshness in you.
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts;
fight them.”… Koran 9:30“Maim and crucify the infidels if they
criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire,
hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims
to fight them.” Koran 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels(non
believers of Islam) as friends.” Koran 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures
other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize
the infidels(non believers of Islam).” Koran 8:60)*As the Muslims are allowed to lie to infidels(non Muslims) about
anything, especially about Islam. There are two doctrines taught in the Koran
which promote lying. One is called al taqiyya (to lie to protect one's self
from persecution, emotional harm or physical harm, real or perceived) and
kitman (to spread misinformation - especially to benefit Islam and to aid its
spread).
This outlines the true Muslim agenda: lie when it is convenient, kill when lying fails.
* A Muslim apostate (one who leaves the faith) must be killed. (Koran chapter 9, verse 12)
2. Qur’an 2:193 says; “Fight them until there is no more
Al Fitnah (‘Al Fitnah’ meant Jews and Christians at the time, but in today’s
context the word means all religious followers including Buddhists&Hindus)
and religion is only for Allah. And Qur’an 9:5 says; “Fight and kill the
disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in
wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”Referring to Hadith, Ishaq:324 says; “Fight them so that there is no more
rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must not have
rivals.” And Ishaq:587 says; “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering
affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to
Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will
fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have
mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the
command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established.
And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
@@FTarquin alhamdulilah
Matt 24:24 Jesus basically said that there will be false prophets after him.
He also said
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."
There are more false religions and false prophets in the world then actual true religion. Most people who are upset at religion itself are upset at all the false teachings and hypocrisy. This guy mentions 2 billion people? Sounds like a broad road.
You said every muslim recites the Qu'ran the same, may I ask, how come the Taliban or ISIS interprets it so differently?
Because u dont have to understand the quran to memorize it. Taliban doesnt speak arabic, so they are using a translated version. + most of them dont know the context of the things they read and if one verse it says " kill the disbelivers" they will take it and use it because they dont know the context of the verse. forexample when that verse was sent to the prophet there was a war between believers and idolworshippers and god allowed the muslims to fight back. The taliban and the terrorist group are like the crusaders who interpret everything the way they want. The KKK also believe they are doing gods work as good christians it doesnt mean its the bibles fault. The devil is working very hard to destroy us all
Interpreting certain verses to their own agendas and desires
Just like how whites used Christianity to justify African slavery in America and how hitler quoted Bible verses
you think every one have the same level of intelligence as others. may i ask, how come only you ask stupid questions
Yes how come the Catholic Church also have a different interpretation of the Bible? Oh wait....
I hope one can see the the honor, love, and respect that is incumbent upon us as Muslim. When we utter the names of Prophets like Adam, Noah, Abraham, David, Jesus, Moses, we always encapsulate their divinity and noble status by saying "peace be upon name of Prophet."
Love, honor, and respect? So...if I don't buy into your religion (for whatever reason, and am a 'non-believer'), then you will honor, love and respect me? Or...am I to be eliminated (strike terror into my heart and kill me) for not believing 'the one true religion'? Just curious, because while this gentleman preaches the 'beauty of the consistency', this topic is NOT consistent among muslims (or many other religions as well).
@@DrtyFck you have the freedom to believe or not to believe you will be protected in an islamic society when you respect the muslim community.
This has been the case in the ottopman empire for more than 600 years.
@@steppenwolf5956this has been the case as long as you ignore the consistent genocides that follow Muslims entering a new country🙄 Islam and your pedo prophet have never been peaceful.
“We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous. So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it” (S.5: 46-47)
“There is no changing His words” (S.18:27 & S.6:115)
How are the Torah & Gospel corrupt if there is no changing his words?
The churches and people of authority have changed the texts. They have been edited, and some forgotten. This is not a controversial idea, but a fact that theologians and historians are well aware off.
@@LadyGoldenLake "have been edited, and some forgotten. This is not a controversial idea" ---
Indeed.
I am not a fundamentalist. Classical theology does not rely on an immaculate transmission of scripture. Rather, the central narrative of all scripture, Old or New Testament, is the person of Christ. That narrative is not susceptible to copying errors as it fills the entire body of scripture. One needs to discard or re-write that entire body of work to erase that narrative. The Quran is such a project.
Peace be with you.
@@LadyGoldenLake "people of authority have changed the texts" ---
Do you dismiss maths textbooks because they are not original manuscripts of the Principia or The Elements?
Any competent 7th grade maths teacher today can explain the calculus better than Newton and Euclid, and write a more cogent text as well. Yet, we recognize genius in Newton and Euclid and do well to attend to their insights. Einstein does not refute his predecessors, but builds upon their insights, and in like manner do Feynman and Nima. Knowledge grows by accretion.
Now if some poor math student comes along and tosses your math textbook in the bin because he cannot comprehend it, then go about to invent his own half-plagiarized maths in direct contradiction to logic... we would not lend any credence to such a project.
Regarding the author of the Quran:
"This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy"
(John of Damascus 676 - 749 AD)
The amount of hateful comments on these videos is staggering. It appears that some individuals are choosing to blame their unhappiness on a specific group rather than taking the time to seek out the truth.
Truth?
Lies!
would it be hateful if you get discriminated from muslims because you are gay you already know what Islam says about gays right?
I am sure you belong to the group who label anything they don't agree with as hateful.
Christ is The Way, The Truth, and The Life.
Peace be upon him
Bullshit religion
Lex didn't ask whether the Koran can be memorized without adulteration throughout generations; he asked whether it was the word of God. What's the justification that it's the word of God?
Quran
Not
Koran
Peace be with you lol
Read it yourself to decide
@@close_this_window Whether it's the word of God or not the word of God shouldn't be decided merely by one's reading of it. Opinion doesn't equal fact. Belief doesn't equal truth.
Well, I can give you some evidence. The word “day” in singular form is mentioned 365 times, and the word “month” in singular form is mentioned 12 times. The word “Angels” is mentioned 88 times, and the word “devils” is mentioned 88 times. These are some of the many numerical patterns of the Quran. That is just some evidence, not some…
@@Mr.paint123
Quran
Or
Qur'an
Or
Koran
Try not to be so pedantic you pass over the meaning lol
I did not know this, what a great clip!
What is this hat called? It looks incredibly cool
54. And indeed We have put forth every kind of example in this Qur'an, for mankind. But, man is ever more quarrelsome than anything.
55. And nothing prevents men from believing, now when the guidance (the Qur'an) has come to them, and from asking Forgiveness of their Lord, except that the ways of the ancients be repeated with them (i.e. their destruction decreed by Allah), or the torment be brought to them face to face?
56. And We send not the Messengers except as giver of glad tidings and warners. But those who disbelieve, dispute with false argument, in order to refute the truth thereby. And they treat My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and that with which they are warned, as jest and mockery!
57. And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of his Lord, but turns away from them forgetting what (deeds) his hands have sent forth. Truly, We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this (the Qur'an), and in their ears, deafness. And if you (O Muhammad ) call them to guidance, even then they will never be guided.
thanks brother I was trying to say this with my words...not easy.
problem is this message is for people who think. They dont have the right OS to understand new things and nuances, they can't load any update can't shift any gear they re stuck on "stupid" 🤷♂🤦♂.
thanks again for this Ayats its always a pleasure...indeed the heart finds contentment in the remembrance of Allah (swt)
I'm not big on these religion preachers but i like this guys aura, his energy. idk what it is something my eyes can't see but something else sees it. hard to explain but I've come to notice this feeling i get tend to be very accurate regarding individuals, i tend to stick to myself i don't like to go out or be social because it's rather overwhelming, sensing the energy from people. idk how I've developed it but i have, and I've come to learn to listen to it. although i may not be able to explain it, i do understand it, and sense it. I'm thankful for it because i can tell someone's intention instantaneously, whether someone's lying to me, using me, if their honest, if they're generally good day to day or negative/evil.
this guy is ok in my book
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It’s what happens when the heart is connected to Islam. Islam teaches us and preaches about having pure hearts. May you be guided to the beautiful religion and discover it with an open heart. ❤
Some videos for you to ponder, Brother, and don't forget to ask Him to guide you if you really look for the truth :
1. Using Backward Reasoning we prove that the Quran is impossible to be the work of a human, the Prophet or anyone except that it is from Allah (MIND BLOWING)
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THE STRANGEST PROOF THAT THE QURAN IS FROM ALLAH ! (MIND BLOWING)
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2. NINE SHOCKING FACTS OF QUR'AN (MIND BLOWING) !
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3. This video will aim to touch on the many different angles we can show that the Quran is a miracle sent by Allah and how we can identify it as the word of God.
WHY IS THE QURAN A MIRACLE ? (MIND BLOWING)
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4. THE MEANING OF LIFE ! ( 7.7 miliion views)
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He looks like any moron who believe himself to be enlightened.
i have that too.
Tawhid is the indivisible oneness concept of monotheism in Islam. Tawhid is the religion's central and single most important concept, upon which a Muslim's entire religious adherence rests. It unequivocally holds that Allah in Islam is One and Single.
and sadistic.
Lex is clearly scared of Muslims. Why not ask him what they think of followers of the other religions? Don't see him asking the "hard questions" like he always claims to with this guy smh
He's incredibly smart. That's why. He knows the path that goes down, and there is no gain is asking the hard questions. He seems to have learned pretty well from Joe Rogan, that it's best to give the platform and let your guest talk themselves into a corner, or not, and let the audience determine what to think about it. Being confrontational, espeically with religious folks, yields nothing to gain in the big picture.
@DrtyFck Lex has repeatedly publicly claimed to "strive to ask hard questions" and yet repeatedly fails when doing so could make him look bad to Academics. Your claim that he's not asking the hard questions because he's smart conveniently ignores the issue that if it's a conscious choice then he's being very manipulative and inauthentic.
Honest question, is it egotistical for the human race to think we were chosen by a god as a species at a specific point in time when it is abundantly clear that we evolved to rationality due to environmental conditions?
Yes, it is. There are many layers to the religious belief any individual has, and I am not trying to judge anyone. I am sure most religious believers do not think about it consciously, but there is an inherently egotistical world view that is required to believe in the literal interpretation shared by most major religions that humans are gods chosen people.
Yes, universe is mind boggling big. This will change if we found another being out there other than us, it will be more dramatic if said being is way better than us.
@@Adamk24 exactly. Religion is a good/if not excellent framework for morality and idealism, but having prophets attribute it to a higher "Voice" or "God" is downright crazy. And what is crazier is that communities accept it as irrevocable truth and never dare to question, believing blindly based on ignorant or lazy faith. And the craziest part is that people get killed if they go against the religion, such as not wearing a piece of fabric over their hair.
@@antinapay that last part is blatant lie
@@corniel657 so you are telling me in the history of the Islamic religion, not one person was killed for not wearing a hijab?
I really like the way he calmly talks, but he didn't answer the question how is the Quran the word of god?
What about the Dead Sea scrolls?
May Allah guide lex to Islam Amin 🤲🏽
Amen
If he seeks God, and the Father draws him in, he will find Jesus my friends. I love you, brothers but understand Truth is in Jesus only. Watch the CZcamsr Give Light.
yeah right as if smart people would want to convert to islam
Lex seems like he would be a Buddhist
I want him to be scientologist and became agent Ethan hunt after Tom retire from mission impossible franchise.
Love this interview thank you gave me so much peace ✌️ 🙏 ❤️
The prophets of the Torah from the Old Testament the same prophets largely of later Islam all prophesy very accurately 1000 years before all recorded in Jewish law and texts the crucifixion of the Messiah . Even the Quran states in clear terms the gospel and the Torah are the word of God . Not once does Muhammad ever have proof of his claims . Nor does he ever work wonders . Nor is there any prophecy being fulfilled from the Torah into the Quran .
Jew here - the Torah is considered to be unchanged and spoken directly from Gd’s “mouth” to Moses. It is also considered unchanged. And we have an oral tradition as well that lasted over one thousand years before it was written down.
Hence, the dead sea scrolls that are the same as the ones used nowadays.
@@Bradley9967 Not sure what your reference to the dead sea scrolls is implying here. The DSS are just some recovered manuscripts from he 2nd temple period containing some psalms, some writings from the prophets and other writings extrapolating on the Torah. The dead sea scrolls are not a new or revised version of the torah, so not sure what your point is here. I suggest you do some research on the scrolls
Quick question and forgive my nativity..
Is it wrong to say Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon Him) without saying "peace be upon Him" and why? Is it said in the Qu'ran?
Religion generally screams like a genuine waste of a person’s time but the way that Muslims feel the need to reflexively say “peace be upon him” whenever they refer to a holy figure by name always comes across as particularly cult-like. Not to say people of other faiths don’t do similarly cultish things but I just kept noticing that reflex in the clip.
These imams and scholars primarily exist to whitewash the religion and gaslight us into forgetting what its adherents have actually done over time. India has a particularly terrible history with Islam.
you know what's cult like
covering up sexual child abuse
It's a salutation of respect. It's the same as saying "Dr." or "Mrs" or "Mr" is cult-like.
Drink every time he say peace be upon x
drink what lol
No! Drinking beer is haraam!
1am water it is 💧* 🙏🏽
@@sharpirro Dat WOK
justin… maybe if you wouldn’t consume only alcohol your brain wouldn’t have shrank to a size of pea
but! go on tho
maybe you drink yourself to a state where you cannot talk or type annoying things ☺️
The problem is not that the text hasn't changed but what the text says or doesn't say
2:28 what changes is he talking about?
New Testament
So Mohammad, Moses and Jesus are from the same family? The Peasbepondem family?
Abraham’s descendants
It's not about reciting it correctly. It's about the interpretation. The meaning.
In Islam the revelation or the word is the miracle. You are correct that the meaning holds most weight but there is an importance in reciting it correctly because of how the arabic language is. An oo are aa can mean different things. singular plural male female etc.
@Laila Sergani but even the language changes with time. Arabic of today is not the same as Arabic in the time of the Prophet. It's also part of why different Muslims from different sects interpret the Koran differently. Just like if I read the Gospel in Koine Greek it will be different from modern Greek.
If you recite it wrong it has another meaning and then you can’t understand it right. It’s the foundation to recite it right.
@@Epsilonsama Quran explains itself and hadiths help in better understanding...
Arabic is pronounced and written the same way, if you mispronounce one vowel then you get an entirely different meaning. The meaning is protected via people not mispronouncing it and reciting it correctly. But yes I agree that some people would memorize without knowing the meaning behind the words, regardless; the MESSAGE is protected.
He's the Drake of muftis
and hence excessively deluded.
@@namesame it's absolutely disgusting of u to speak of someone with so much valor and knowledge
He is from Canada
What a terrible analogy
What does that even mean?
Ask him about Sahih al-Bukhari and how such lunacy can be considered sacred, second only to the Quran.
Lunacy? How so? If you listen to any true scholar about Hadiths they’re never to be taken in place as the word of god “Quran”. They will also tell you that some Hadiths are not all authentic and it was in that “time”. They’re not timeless like the Quran
It’s easy to have intellectual conversations about islam in times of peace. But you get to know it better from within when they have total power over you and you can truly understand its nature, and when a sword helps you understand better what the words didn’t manage to convey to you. The Greek national history is full of so-called ethnomartyrs, who used to be decapitated by muslims because they refused to accept islam. And it happens even today in other parts of the world.
Which parts of the world? And have you known such ethnomartyrs? Seeing as you know Islam from within, why is your head not removed from your head?
Inshallah.
Learn about the religion of Islam itself instead of judging the misinterpretations/ misleading representation of islam through people, whether they are terrorists or normal citizens.
There's a big difference between a religious ideology and the actions of humans using that religion as an excuse to human. The Spanish Inquisition for one example wasn't a very nice representation of Christian ideals, but it doesn't mean every local pastor wants to torture Jews on the rack.
You been to Guantanamo brah? or the detention camps where children are caged up? or have you forgot about iraq and afghanistan where millions of innocent women and children were murdered? world war 1? world war 2?
If we cant blame that on athiesm well then you cant blame a handfull of beheadings on islam. but if you want to, then atheism is the literal satan,
It seems to me that lex didn't find his perfect preservation "miracle" impressive.
Search for yourself and you will find many miracles of the Quran. The question is, is your heart ready to accept those as miracles?
Repeated word miracle.
@astracruiser4211 ouch 😁 a rude comment on CZcams. Shocking 😏
@@fahimshahriar2622 I need my head to accept it, actually. There's really nothing impressive about your book to me. It's not even nice reading. It seems poorly put together. Even the claims made and the practices of your religion are problematic. There seems to be tons of people ready to tear them to shreds logically here on CZcams as well. And most of the apologists here I've seen, maybe except Shabir Ally and some others, are just noisy polemicists that clothe ignorance with an unnecessary aggression.
I hope you also search for yourself to see the truth as well. Thanks.
@@chiagookonta3239 whatever helps u cope lmao
Cap. We don't even have a full original copy to know if it's original or not. Not to mention the disputes in texts when Osman was compiling the Quran.
To borrow a line from Mel Brooks film ",Young Frankenstein" :
"You're talking about the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind."
I have to disagree with his claim that the Torah or Tenach has different versions over history. The tradition of the Jewish scribes in copying the texts would not allow for even the smallest change. The discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls confirmed that the texts we have today are the same texts from 2,000 years ago.
Kind ma'am my 2 cents of advice would be to hide your profile picture. Please google recent events on what happened to "Kanhaiya Lal tailor", and even "Salman Rushdie". These people are nuts, and commenting factual and rational truth on the web begs for some basic precautions.
Masoretic, Septuagint and Samaritan. I rest my case.
@@OmarOsman98 Hi! I should have been more clear that my comment was about the Jewish religion. There is only one text of course, the Masoretic.
@@namesame fascist
Not realy and even it’s it was sent for certain people at certain time that’s not the book you should be focusing on rather to expand your knowledge And try to read the Quran because you will find the perfect explanations of all your questions and doubts and find even more I love with our prophet Moses May Allah please with him) because his massages and stories and everything is in the Quran I know he was sent for Jewish people because they disobeyed Allah and associated partners with him he was their Warner and almost all of the Prophets May Allah be please with Al of them were from the people of Jewish except our last and final messenger the beloved salahu Calehi wasalam
I love Omar Sulaiman so much he is so come and peaceful may Allah subuhanawatallah protects him and his family 👪 ❤ ameen
This guy spoke for 6 minutes and didn’t even attempt to answer the question. Literally spent 6 minutes saying nothing and being smug. It’s 21st century, when will we get a majority of the population who will break free from the entrapment and slavery of religion and see it is glaringly man made. We would achieve so much more with spirituality and togetherness without religion. We don’t need religion to be morale. Utilise Pascal’s wager without religion.
It's decentralized! It works like a blockchain!
Everyone likes Lex Friedman until he talks to a Muslim, then it's all moans and groans LMAO
Amazing conversation!
Not really
Keep up the good work Lex.
Lex should bring on a Orthodox Christian priest!
I’m a Muslim and I love them too 😂
The fake smiling is creepy and annoying. It's one of the tells (to me) that someone is in "fake it til you make it" mode. Not to say all religious people are like this. But red flags go off when people smile at unnatural places in conversation.
Seriously, look at him. He's going from smiley eyes to no smiley eyes for no reason. Back and forth. It's completely unnatural. Please tell me it's because the love of God pulses through him at random moments because of how devoted he is.
he looks like a good person a good representer of muslims need more muslims like him,mufti menk
Lex you should really bring on a rabbi. Further, the Torah has only one version, jews were dispersed around the world and still there is only one version
Every religion: my religion is the “real” version.
Yes, until it is critically studied
@@yusufg.620 every religious group “critically studies” itself and comes to the conclusion that they are the winners.
but with islam its not a version. versions keep updating itself. islam is just from its inception.
The only real religion has to take into account the subjectivity of human perception and belief.
@@cryptobureau1096 Islam is not a version? It’s literally the 3rd version of abrahamic based religions.
It has characters that were created in previous books before Islam or even the language of Arabic existed.
Like I said, every religion creates a self serving argument based on selective information to support its case as the winner.
Very hard job to do well. Kudo to Lex.
I appreciate Lex not bursting into laughter.
Sorry. I'm just curious. Is the Quran word of God ? There were a lot of selling points that connects all the Abrahamic prophets but he didn't really address the question.
Peace be upon us all.
I guess that means the Book of Mormon is the most reliable, since it was revealed most recently 👍
When did he claim that to be the sole reason of the quran being true?
either you are purposely misrepresenting what he said or you are genuinely asking a 5th grader question.
@@muneebiqbal5584 Quran is fairy tales
period
provide evidence of God lol
@@muneebiqbal5584 you're right: he gives NO reasons the Quran is true. I was being too generous. He does imply, though, that the recency of the revelation, as compared to the Bible and Torah, mean it has been preserved better, and in that sense is more "true", at least to the original.
@@74357175 The question is, if he gave X number of reasons, would it matter to you? You have already decided what is true or not.
@@fahimshahriar2622 I'm always interested in interesting reasons. But I do demand some intellectual consistency as a baseline
I still don't fully understand why one has to convert or have a fixed religion... Do we do that we our friends, food, travels, books, movies.... Exploration, evolution, change is the beauty of this journey... Having fixed ideologies and needs is sign of lower level engagement with reality ...
Whoever u r... You're on a journey... A series of chapters... Experience
I think those profits won't mind if you don't say peace be upon him every single time.
When Andrew Tate said pray to Allah and workout I followed his dean
Welcome bro. Did u convert to islam
@@truthandcompassion9932 I tried listening to some clips on tiktok and it sounded really not based so I just compromised and say alhamduleelah after every statement I make
@@truthandcompassion9932 I converted, now I make money trafficking women instead being a broke wagey
good to hear you're not in control
@@eyeknow8009 Im not out of control im just not in thier control
It’s simply too idealistic to believe that the formation and recollection of these memories (memorized verses) over several decades were impeccably done. It’s neglecting a human being’s subconscious error of creating false memories, let alone the distinguished, subjective “truth” perceived by qualia.
they are also written , you know
@Werewolf Firstly, sorry to disappoint you but actually this so-claimed “miracle of preservation” doesn’t “burn” me. Secondly, I’m here just simply raising a plausible argument supported by psychological and cognitive research findings. Not to mention, as far as I’m concerned, such “miracle of preservation” neither holds truth as there is no empirical evidence whether if actually the memories of the verses remained intact before they’ve been documented/written. Such “miracle” might be a factoid to Muslim believers, but sure it ought not to be held as a fact by anybody.
@@salazeyad empirical evidence isn't the only type evidence that exists. Things can be proven true without it. we can use reason, do you need to see, hear or feel your heart to know you have a heart? You cant empirically prove number.
Humans do err, but it’s impossible for an error to last when millions upon millions of Muslims from every generation know the whole book from the day it was created. Coupled with writings that go back centuries, you can be sure that every word, down to the diacritic marks, is completely unchanged. Gets me emotional 🥲
@@Linnetd I see your point but I don’t think you understand my argument. The point you’ve raised has nothing to do with my aforementioned issue: if the verses written were 100% accurate and objective construals, of which I’m pretty confident weren’t. (Which could be seen through the contradictory teachings conveyed in Quran, the fact that different people contributed to the writing of the verses and a lot had access to the yet developing book - an effortless opportunity to skew the verses in favor of particular authoritarian agendas). The issue is not with the truthfulness of the intergenerational memorization of Quran but the very writing of it.
Did Lix ever conduct an actual interview here, or did he just let the guest pontificate on the perfection of Islam? Not a single question about the 9th Sura, the Verse of the Sword? And if Islam is a religion of peace, how did ISIS come to so thoroughly misunderstand it, while claiming to be its most ardent followers?
All Abrahamic religions have to same problem and we can cherry pick each book (Torah/Bible/Quran) to either defend or attack the religion or the actions of people that follow it.
If we're casting stones, have more than 1.
If you want answers about that , many muslims have already answered it , go look it up .
I've heard someone called BALAL HABASHI wrote it. He was Iranian i think
Bilal bin rabah alhabashi was a slave from Ethiopia "habisha" who was freed by prophet mohammed's companion abubakr. He became the first muslim to call for the 5 prayers in prophet Muhammad pbuh mosque in Al madeena.
No he wasn't tasked with writing the quran
Omar Suleiman is a good Muslim scholar & Lex Fridman is a good listener.🏆🌹💓☝️👌👍
The ‘religion of piece’ hahaha.
@@weaverjoshuab Peace (not piece btw😏) to those who want peace.🤷🏿♀️😇
He isn't a scholar. We as muslims should not throw that word around too easily
@@ezyfnef If he isn't a scholar who lives in the West, then I don't know who is!🤷🏿♀️
@mdkhan3928 please, do your research on who is and isn't a scholar in Islam. If you call him a scholar you're putting him in the ranks or the Imam Maliks and Imam Hanbalis of the world. This guy is more an of an Ustad, a teacher of Islam. Again, do your research and don't just argue for argument sake because you may mislead people. May Allah guide us all.
I personally believe it's all the word of man inspired by his surroundings trying to make meaning out of it all trying to understand the world
tell me you are ignorant without telling me you are ignorant
Hi Tommy, have you read the Quran? If not, read it first and maybe then you can logically decide. What say?
@bludclart Who cares, the books of William Shakespeare has been preserved perfectly yet no claim its miraculous
@@Zakariya0101 Which facts Quran talk consistently? Like the sun setting in a pool of mud? 🤣
Agreed, though he wasn't trying to make sense of his environment, but dominate and capture. If you read the Sirat of Mohammad, he makes his intentions clear: to dominate the Arabs and conquer Persians. The rest is a blood thirsty history.
How would a human being know that they have clearly understood the word of God? Would not the language of the divine be unintelligible to a mortal? And even if the language of God could be somehow translated to the language of Man there would be no way of checking accuracy. This seems way too important a matter to be left to faith. I don’t want to meet my maker and be asked ‘Why did you believe this, this or this? I gave you the tools of reason and a sense of goodness so that you could find out for yourself’
"And they ask you about the Spirit. Say, The Spirit is of the Command of my Lord; and in no way have you been brought of knowledge except a little." (S. 17:85)
Why does Jesus claim to have intimate knowledge of the Spirit if God has not given this knowledge?
Well, Gita & Vedas have been unchanged since even longer.
But it wouldn't ruin Hinduism is they had been. Islam has a much bigger problem because instead of sages and seers, they are supposed to historians.
lmao. bro go check your books. homie these books go changed so many times. its kinda embarrassing to even take it seriously
@@Userdoesnotexit not true by lying you just achieved nothing
The Vedic scriptures are from pre-Panini era. Therefore, the grammar is actually beyond the confines of Panini`s rules. While the scriptures contain many interesting checks and balances to ensure that words and the intonations are passed on as it is, they have been affected by accents and regional variations of pronunciations. Also, it is believed that we are left with only a small fraction of the scriptures that we originally had.
Secondly, the Vedas are very abstract, they are compared to the milk, while the Upanishads, puranas and the Itihasas (mahabharata and ramayana) are compared to its derivatives like curd, paneer, ghee etc. You would not find mentions of advents like Rama or Krishna in the Vedas. Even the very common mantra of Rudram, is not a matching description to Shiva. However, people in search of something more concrete though the abstraction or for whatever reasons, have added verses to the Vedas and today they are chanted with those verses.
For example : Namaste astu bhagawan vishweshwaraaya, mahadevaaya … is an addition in rudram.
Thirdly, the writing of Vedas in different vernacular scripts. Not all languages have as many sounds and syllables as Sanskrit. With people transliterating Vedic hyms into other languages like Gujrati, Tamil etc we tend to lose out on the exact word and its pronunciation. Tamil probably has a single letter for the entire varga in sanskrit. Let`s say ‘throwpathy’ and ‘drowpady’ will have the same spelling in Tamil. Similar issues with writing in English.
When you look at the mantras of Sāmaveda which are usually sourced from the Ṛgveda. There are about 75 (yoni) mantras in the Sāmaveda without the original Ṛgvedic source. And some Sāmagāna mantras, that are actually sung, without the corresponding yoni (source) mantras.
These are only a few reasons and instances that show that they indeed have been changed.
That's not true
There are no ancient manuscripts
These type of über-religious types talk so much and manage to say absolutely nothing of substance. It’s remarkable. Also, the incessant repetition of “peace be upon him” is so disingenuous. Don’t just slip it in there like it’s fine print at the end of a drug ad.
I have the upmost respect for Omar and it was enlightening to hear his personal perspectives.
Even if it's not explicitly stated, I still can't shake every monotheistic religion and the implicit claim that their interpretation is the 'correct' version (or the closest to God). Every religion has essentially made this claim from the very beginning.
I do happen to be a lapsed Christian (if you can't already tell). If God created man, but we know (with even more evidence through the mapping of the human genome) that man evolved from an ape-like ancestor. It's an idea that is at odds with reality, and scripture in any of the Abrahamic religions.
About the interpretation thing, the in the Quran God says that he brought to us the book with verses that are straight forward in meaning, they are the core of the book, and other verses that can be interpreted in different ways, so those who are sick at heart would manipulate it to their benefits, and those who are of knowledge would see them doing it. Basically to weed out self promoters from genuine ppl. That's why scholars of the islamic faith, will always end their interpretation with "Allah knows best", because they are humble enough to recognize that maybe there's something they didn't understand properly.
Muslims believe in the original torah and gospels to be the word of God as well. But if we look into the history of collecting those books in their original unchanged language vs the Quran, we would find a big difference in reliability of the authenticity of the Torah and Gospel vs the Quran. How many ppl roday speak the original language of the Quran vs the Gospels and the Torah. Just something to think about
abrahamic religions are obviously fairy tales, but that doesn't mean that there isn't potentially a monotheist "god" in the universe. For all we know, we could be living in a simulation and some guy created it; that guy would essentially be our god.
Brother listen to Blogging Theology of paul Williams, brilliant channel you will get different perspective
@@theseeker4308 I'll check it out. Just as Carl Sagan, said 'extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence."
Every religion makes a truth claim, that they can't ultimately prove. I just simply say "I don't know."
@@theseeker4308 To quote Carl Sagan "Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence" my friend.
There’s a caliph who standardized the Quran. If I’m not mistaken the second Caliph.
He started the gathering of those who memorize it and had it written down, in any way to preserve it until the Uthmani Codex, and then over tadjweed notes are written. Crazy the length of how much they had to go through different scholars to verify the integrity
Every religious follower especially the leaders and gatekeepers deem their book(s) to be the true word of God.......
There are obviously some universal experiences and truths men have learned throughout their own experiences.....
Some wrote them down, some potentially changed and curated these written words by men......
Following some structure and guidelines can be positive and also contrary depending on ones interpretation......
It’s not difficult to do the right thing day to day regardless of belonging to religion and or believing in a God of your choice...
Personal accountability and learning as one lives not repeating the same mistakes seems extremely fundamental......
Good. Vibes only...
Be accountable
Be honest.....
Simple
Well said
Puff interview 😢
Alhamdulillah for Islam ❤️
Damn, that "peace be upon him" gets grating fast.
It's so perfectly mindless.
I Love this conversation much respect.
What was the point of this episode? This entire thing was Lex asking questions and saying "yes daddy" to every one of Omar's responses
I really miss Christopher Hitchens
Do not fret you will join him one day.
Interesting how the prophets all share the same last name: Peacebeuponhim.
I go one way never changes direction .
Ego is very distractive.
Lex goes…is Quran word of GOD..and then makes Derek Zoolander’s magnum face
thats the new look we ve all been waiting !?!? did he finally perfect it ? I was still trying master "Blue Steel"... I just can't keep up with this guy
What I don’t honestly understand is the “peace be upon” they are higher beings/gods/prophets who’ve elevated life. They wouldn’t need peace as it wouldn’t apply.
Muslims believe only God is uncreated and He created everything else. One of His names is Peace. So we are supplicating to God to manifest His name Peace to the Prophets and Mary as well, all of them being very special and revered, yet still created beings in need of their Creator.
Hope that helped and as a side point, to clarify, no matter how special the Prophets are, the barrier of created vs uncreated can never be passed. So no elevating beyond that.
The greeting “As-salamu alaykum” also means peace be upon you to which the person greeted replies “Wa-alaykum Salam” which is direct reciprocation of the greeting.
So it is not only exclusive to prophets, we say it to honour their mention which is for any prophet including Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them).
Wishing peace on anyone is an act of good faith and coexistence.
Also if you look at the Bible there is a lot of reference to peace being wished upon one another as well as Jews using a similar form of greeting so it’s well grounded in all these religions.
Perhaps just culture for showing respect.
1:00 That's just not true, there are multiple versions with varying intonations and even changes in the structure of some words. This kind of blows his credibility if he doesn't know something so simple.
Name me 2 version?
I enjoyed this interview. I do think Suleiman has greatly exaggerated his claims about the Quran being unchanged throughout history. There have absolutely been changes and different versions throughout history, and the current standard version was challenged at its inception by actual witnesses to the Prophet.
He is correct that the Gospels are testimonies that don't always agree with each other, and have gone through revisions over time. But these variations between gospels are not significant to core Christian beliefs. I think the same could likely be said for the different Quran variations we have seen through history.
I do respect the idea of the Quran being memorized globally in one unified language - biblical translations over time in so many different languages outside of the original Greek and Aramaic has caused countless theological arguments and difficulties
have you seen the birmingham manuscript that was found by non muslims and said that it was dated to the time of the prophet. If you look at that manuscript it matches the quran, word for word to what we have today. Also, there's a reason why we have Hadiths, which is seperate from the Quran and talks about the life of the prophet in more details and we recognize the hadiths to not be authentic. In fact, if you were to read the hadith vs the quran, its COMPLETELY different, just from the way its written you can immediately tell if a scripture is the word of god or written by humans
Islam bringing people together and at the same time blowing them apart for 1400 years. All religions keep people down and abuse them with nonsense.
Memorization, exactly the worst way to learn about anything that needs an explanation
@@htownali swallowing lies of other bigger imams
Memorization is a way of preservation through generations, texts can be manipulated but memories cannot specially when millions of people remembers it. For learning they also remember its meaning and there are plenty of books on translation.
@@wajeehulhassan2541 Everytime you recall a memory (say, in this case, a verse) your brain kind of "remakes" the memory from scratch, so no, memorization is not an ideal way of preservation.
It makes it kind of hard to get across a point when you have to say “ peace be upon “ after every person
because we respect these people? why is that an issue
@@mmxx4748 that’s fine, it’s just redundant and annoying
If "Isa" was not crucified, then is he a Pharisee?
"he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me"
(Matthew 10)
"for they [ the Pharisees ] say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men"
(Matthew 23)
Peace be upon them drinking game In the works
😂🤣😅 I got your joke!
So ironic.
Oops your depressant symptoms are showing
As an atheist the "peace be upon him" thing makes me feel the same as when someone keeps saying "trust me" and telling you how trustworthy they are makes me feel the opposite
It's a nice way to associate "peace" with a mentally ill pedo. But hey they can worship whoever they want
It's a form of salutations.
It's a salutation and something we do out of respect for all the prophets. It's kinda disrespectful not to do so😅
And you getting annoyed by that expression tells me that the mindset you have for disproving the existence of God as an atheist is definitely " reliable"
I genuinely don't get the correlation between your two examples. For one to say "trust me". Those mere two words empowers the one delivering them. "May peace be upon him" in my opinion his a kind gesture that any well thought out person would wish for another. It's also an acknowledgement of ones minute importance in life knowing that they truly don't have the ability to grant peace but maybe those few words may add to the possibility. I am not a Muslim but that's how it comes off to me. Regardless it is a very kind thing to say and if you have a problem with it you should really question why......I assume as an "atheist" you have a reverence for science a small understanding of physics would tell you that your thoughts ie words have more power than just being sounds coming out of your mouth. May God bless you and I hope one day you will see there is more than just what's right in front of you. It took me many years as well to have my eyes opened. At bare minimum if you're content being an atheist I would make very certain I am right before putting all my eggs in one basket