Why God allows suffering | Omar Suleiman and Lex Fridman
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Guest bio: Imam Omar Suleiman is the Founder and President of the Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research and a professor of Islamic Studies at Southern Methodist University.
Lex... what's up homie. Let me get a job, I'm currently a tech deployment engineer. A little worried about getting laid off
I respect myself and my community.
“Heart” is a faculty that thinks/understands and is the seat of soul. In some of the most poetic verses of surah Al-Nur(Verse 35). Quran describes Soul as Light and heart as a Mirror. If the mirror is unclean due to horrible character, then the light from soul cannot be reflected thru the dusty mirror. Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) said:” I was not sent but to perfect human character”. So only way to clean the mirror of heart and allow the light of Allah to reflect is to improve one’s moral character via complete submission to Allah(one/indivisible) and worship is the ultimate expression of love.
I don't know why, but I appreciate how incredibly well-spoken the man is. He does not stutter or falter in his speech one bit.
This doesn't make his speech to be true you Poor kid
Silver tongues should be avoided at all costs
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw en sabah nur en sabah nur en sabah nur
@@ace1234LIVE It Means Apocalypse
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw lol i know
I like this guy's response. I remember Sheykh Hamza Yusuf said that God created suffering in order to develop its compassionate consciousness. No suffering, no compassion. I always liked the rationality of Islam in surrendering to the unknowable nature of God, God has no form and no gender (the 'he' is linguistic, not literal) and is the creative force behind multidimensional reality. That's pretty cool.
But why couldn't God simply made us compassionate by default..?
@@golubvolodemerovich7512 The struggle is part of the test, yet it is a result of men actions, not only for those who are suffering but even greater for those who cause the struggle, if everything was 'utopian' that's heaven not earth.
@@SaidGherbi then why even create such an Earth that needs Hell and often is hell itself ..??
@@golubvolodemerovich7512 Earth is not hell, far from it, earth is beautiful and worth living, we can not say it is hell just because of the suffering part, suffering in itself is subjective and humans go through it each to their own perspective, as God said in the Quran " Allah does not task any self beyond its capacity. ", that being said, the struggle is a chapter of every aspect of life, growing require going through stages. If we put life in numbers you can't reach 100 without going through single and double digits first, a person can go all the way down until death is the only thing left and comeback to highest of highs, but they'll never know they can only after they've done it. I hope everything is ok in your life, but if it isn't trust me, your life can hold a lot of beautiful surprises if you live one day at a time, no matter what kind of struggle you're going through, everything can change, there's only one thing that can't be altered.. it's death!
So god created us and then wants to test what he created? Isn’t that saying that he is testing himself?
Allah says in the quran:
"We never require of any soul more than what it can afford. And with Us is a record which speaks the truth. None will be wronged"
Quran surah 23 verse 62
Eye opening. I’m ignorant to other faiths, and it helps alot hearing and learning perspectives
Thank you for being open. Our media concentrated on showing us the worst of each other
You not missing much
@@mrfunky2960 nice avatar. Rick and morty is the best
@@NaturallySafiya of course. I’m a Christian. Not that that should divide me from anyone, if anything it means it binds me to others in goodness and faith in something higher
@@Juttargoe I listen to lots Christian stuff. Our religions have lots of common ground. And respect for the people of the book is grounded in the teachings
If there is any meaning in life at all, then there must be meaning in suffering.
-Victor E.Frankl
Suffering is the only real thing poor kid
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw Yeah poor kid.😁👍
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw every comment I've seen of yours makes me wanna facepalm myself
"I was afraid he might ask me the same question" Listening these words, I began to cry 😢
I dint do anything. Why would god ask me back
@@udhay7920 Because we all have ability to help others.
@@RozaBoyqulova so if a 8 year old dying kid asks “why don’t you stop the evil” god replies “Why dont you stop it?”. Wow, sounds like a shit god.
@@shomshirunnesa5228 I thought god was all powerful, why would he ask us back
@@shomshirunnesa5228 read my above message
This is so beautiful. I'm watching this after the earthquake that took place in my hometown in Turkey
Damn this clip was pretty deep. Now I have to watch the entire episode!!!
Ikr I love guests like these
you should!!! it's the only episode i fully watched so amazing
We invite all you guys to learn about Islam . It has changed my life and my families life as well
BECAUSE WE DON'T FOLLOW GOD'S GUIDANCE, WE COMPLETELY TRUST ON HIM,
AVOID ALL KIND OF SIN, OUR JOBS TO PROOF ALLAH IS ONE MOST POWERFUL, WE SUPPOSE TO THINK ABOUT HIS CREATION. MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL
from his answer:
-this life is a test, if you passed the test you will be rewarded in hereafter.
-even the most brutally tested man in this world immediately feels how insignificance his suffers when he tasted even a small portion of his rewards.
sorry for my bad grammars
" if you passed the test you will be rewarded in hereafter. " That's an interesting assertion. What's your proof?
@@quintrankid8045 there’re no proofs of any afterlife, nor are there proofs for God.
People believe in God because it’s the only belief that allows one to live if one is stuck thinking that there must be a reason to live.
This is beautiful and TRUTH! I've had a near death experience and I have smelled the draft of Heaven's Springtime Air. The Land of Milk and Honey. Paradise awaits us all, and nowhere found a gate nor wall
@@Moleshaveeyes do you think that living is a reason in itself? That living is a experience that can be purpose-driven and have a reason?
You act like mortals in all that you fear, and like immortals in all that you desire.
-Seneca
I do not believe in a god but I feel so much for this.This is so important and I have studied it but I often weep.
go for it brother
may allah guide to the truth brother❤
remember, Allah gave us a choice to be humans and we chose this life. If the reward is that great, then the suffering cannot compare to it.
I invite you to read the Qur’an
It's ok to weep if you are enlightened by the truth through your studies.
I never ask God for anything to be easy only the strength to endure what’s happening. On good days I thank Him. ♥️
In Islam, we are told to ask for ease, not patience.
@@ibrahimn.606 Sorry, I appreciate You for reaching out but Your tone and the result thereof makes it somehow ugly. I've also asked rather for endurance over ease. I know I should ask ease and now I see why, it's just.. I don't know.. was I sturdy or wrong to put the sense of fairness above humbleness? I think I didn't realized how imperfect I was from the within ad I didn't realized that this was rather something mandatory than a suggestion.
- Bruce Lee
Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. "
Qur'an 2:286
Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned.
This is from the Holy Quran.
@@GodsSoldier2015 Yes.
How can one reach transcendence without suffering? It's impossible. Just like one cannot know happiness without experiencing sadness.
Or maybe pain is just meaningless and we say stuff like this to cope with it.
@@WaspGenocide or maybe we say that everything means nothing to cope with suffering?
@@E_l_l_i_e Maybe. But that's not really the point. The point is that meaningless suffering absolutely exists, but people cannot accept this and then apply 'meaning' to it, because human beings cannot bear meaninglessness.
Did you know that there's a parasite called Acanthamoeba Keratitis that eats your eyeball from the inside? Somewhere in the world, right now, someone is having that happen to them. Only through convoluted mental gymnastics could anyone apply 'meaning' to such a thing.
@@WaspGenocide the host has the suffer so the parasite can live, just like in any predator-prey circumstance. I hope that mental gymnastics is a real sport.
@@E_l_l_i_e Yes, but there is no meaning in that for the prey. Only suffering. Hence, the world contain meaningless suffering.
May Allah save us from sins AMEEN AND forgive us our sins
This comment section is the beautiful side of social media, educational, informative, and useful to bring people of different faiths and views to an exchange of perspectives.
Yes, when you sow 100 grains to the soil and 90 rotted, you don't say, "I wish I couldn't do that." Instead, you won't regret planting them because 10 became saplings and trees. Thank you for the podcast.
Thanks Lex for bringing this podcast
this was wonderful to hear - what a great explanation, ty!
" Do people think once they say, “We believe,” that they will be left without being put to the test? "
" We certainly tested those before them. And ˹in this way˺ Allah will clearly distinguish between those who are truthful and those who are liars. "
" Or do the evildoers ˹simply˺ think that they will escape Us? How wrong is their judgment! "
" Whoever hopes for the meeting with Allah, ˹let them know that˺ Allah’s appointed time is sure to come. He is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing. "
[29:2-5]
I loved the response that when asking why god allows suffering, he might ask us the same question. I dont believe in a god but this will certainly stay with me
Have you ever looked at tables, phones, shoes, and said: I don’t believe they have a creator? of course no, it’s nonsense to think that something can exist, when once it was not without a creator.
I appreciate this conversation and Omar comes across as a genuinely good man. He is the type of person I look to associate myself with.
Suffering is simply the other side of joy. Without suffering, joy can't exist.
let imagine a person who is happy and has not suffered much. then one day, they are raped and killed. how does this add to their joy? is it truly not a meaningless act of violence and suffering? what good plan could ever involve having innocent people be punished so? such a planner is not worth the trust.
@@0mguley I am making a statement that something can't exist without its opposite. Light implies darkness. Suffering never adds to joy, it just makes it possible.
@@0mguley you have a lot to learn
@@mrgrur dum
@@mikestaubdarkness is the absence of light. Light doesn’t need darkness it can be by itself.
MAY ALMIGHTY ALLAH'S MERCY AND LOVE BE WITH YOU AMEEN
A.I. Lex about to turn into Lehks al Fridimani
hahaha my man.
🤣🤣
IM DEAD! HAHAHAHAHH
😂😂😂😂
There are several answers from Islamic perspective; one being because humans remember and call upon God in suffering sincerely. When you suffer you will be the closest to God because there will be you and God.
The saying answers the question perfectly.
This is such a great summary. Love what he said about personal accountability.
Most beautiful and clear answers on this topic. Gold bless Omer Sulaiman.
What a beautiful being
Why does suffering exist? Because this life is a test. It's really that simple from the Islamic perspective.
A test? A cruel test? I thought your god was supposed to be merciful. Is your god's mercy some special definition that doesn't mean what mercy means to most people?
@@quintrankid8045 This world is inherently unfair. We are each tested according to the fate that we were given. In this way, every persons response to his/her unique circumstances is an avenue by which to attain everlasting peace under the shade of the Creator's throne (i.e. Paradise).
Outward manifestations of "ease" aren't always blessings. Look at all the evil people who God has ordained wealth for, and their wealth has only further driven them into failing this test.
Then look at the poor villager who loses his child. Yet, he still keeps moving forward in life, and is grateful to God, and treats his neighbors well. This is a beautiful example of someone who passed his test. And what awaits him for eternity is reunion with his loved ones in a garden of perpetual bliss (God-willing).
@Aabid M. so this is the Islamic version of "God works in mysterious ways".
@@Kheron56 Well, that is true. But this is more an acknowledgment that "amidst everything going on, God has created you in the circumstances that were the best for you. And if you can excel-- and be righteous and just-- within the circumstances that God has created for you, then you will have passed life's test. And ~70 years of life is a short test compared to eternity."
@@deepinthewoods_ Alhamdulilah well said
Beautifuly said
With due respect, why do atheist complain so much about suffering when they accept that the universe has no purpose and we are just atoms randomly colliding? Their is no right or wrong, good or evil, suffering or joy.
I don't complain about suffering, I simply acknowledge its existence and find meaning and purpose in the mission to relieve it.
Your post is listing off assumptions you have about Atheist's.
@@rasheed9705 what assumptions
You make no sense. Atheists still believe in good/evil and suffering/joy
@@TheCelticsAREboss you are just delusional
This was beautiful
I'm understanding
I m satisfied with my creator's chose for me ..I have faith in his mercy ❤
Thanks for your great answer
I believe that God gave us freedom to test us
Hello Lex, can you bring in Paul Williams from. Blogging theology, it would be a enlightening conversation
masha'allah brother lex is receiving the light of Islam
Wow. So much knowledge. This man is genius.
A wise lesson.
I think I understand the greater meaning and the fact we simply don't understand why certain things happen. Where I don't feel comfortable is when people will prefer to wait for their reward after instead of doing something here and now to better their situation. I have seen people in terrible suffering who cannot even see the possibility of a better life because they believe their life is a test and trust God will see them through.
You know whats crazy, before coming into this life, Allah has asked us multiple times if we wanted to be an angel (one that doesnt have free will) or a human (one that can live with free will), and we chose to go through this life because we saw what heaven looked like and how everything in this world means nothing because the rewards is much greater. So remember, we saw potential in this life
In Islam To trust god that he’ll see you through is to follow his teachings by taking action accordingly and then praying for the best. Hence the difference between (توكُّل/Tawakkul) and (تواكل/Tawaakul).
"Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change whats within themselves"
No patience isn’t for things you can’t change like for example if u are suffering cause ur obese u choose to just wait until
You go to heaven this is not said in Islam but let’s say you lose ur loved one then what ? U can’t bring them back but you can patience and hope In the faith that you will meet them again
Great explanation.
Those that experience suffering the most have a far, far easiesr path to going to heaven. And their shortcomings are overlooked. That's how I always saw things as going
What if you were wrong ?
@@fernando4725 the you have endured your suffering in the most noble manner possible.
@@fernando4725 people that had gone through suffering and survive is much stronger than those who dont.. thomas edison had to experience thousands of failure to finally succeed, the results are astonishingly worth it.. because he doesnt give up..
so an innocent child has less chance of getting to heaven than an innocent child who was abused?
@@0mguley you must define what is "child" age.. if an individual performs better during suffering (patience, work hard, pray, positive thingking) they will get the reward.. whining, blaming others, destructive behaviour will get you nothing..
In a case of a child (you must be specific of age limit).. but i say under 7, both children goes to heaven but the ones who suffer probably get more reward..
so much silliness told with a smiley face...
It is amazing how you managed to portrait the darkness that you carry with you, in one sentence.
One sensible comment, i was cringing hard!!!
@@bme0983 >facepalm
@@pstamatiou :)
Omar Suleiman is a radical Islamist
This is amazing, kinda similar to my DMT experience hehe 🙃
Would like to see you Interview Daniel Hiqiqa
Suffering is a locked state of mind or situation that drags us towards wishing for help from the heavens when all fails, not necessarily god exists, but the thought of having a higher power who holds the cause of our situation seems like an accountable accountant. Honestly, Islam has been the reason for so many sufferings and death across the world, I dare lex to ask this man, if what he calls god is the same god that everyone else believes in too.
Go study Islam first and then come back and comment. Stop believing everything you see/ hear in the bios media. Your ignorance is the one causing suffering and pain. “If you think education is expensive try ignorant.” And that is exactly people like you.
Nothing new here for someone that has deprogramed themselves from the irrationality of religious faith but clearly a very sweet hearted man. We find people with this level of warmth and kindness in virtually every tradition including among atheists. This springs from a multitude of unchosen conditions, synonymous with luck, so consequently doesn't effectively substantiate truth claims of faith traditions.
Omar Suleiman is a radical Islamist
You deprogrammed your natural instinct
or is it you who is deprogrammed to think that life is a coincidence 😀
If there is no suffering, we would never appreciate the things that we have.
100 percent right
Atheists will deny and hate this no matter how much this makes sense.
Yo I love this Thantifaxath album !
Because it's fun. That's all. To live without experiencing other extremes would be boring to an eternal thing. To experience is to keep that thing aware.
I'm pretty sure when people accuse this supposed God of not preventing suffering they don't mean you can stub your toe and it hurts or maybe you get a migraine. They probably mean shit like kids getting cancer or being born with debilitating diseases that make their life a living hell until they die a few years later. Or having worms that can eat your eyes from inside out and make you go blind. That sure seems "fun".
@@TheCabIe it's fun it's data to that thing. This Thing enjoy the sweetest love and it also enjoy the killing of innocent people. It creates non stop bad or good means nothing to this thing, just another creation infinity, it creates itself nonstop. Why would All mighty energy stop creating, why would it have limit? Ridiculous to put limitations on God. This thing is boundless and raw .
@@youngdegenerate1002 Seems like what you're describing is more of a deistic God which IMO is an entirely different idea than what probably 99% of people mean when they mention God (i.e. God from their own particular religious book).
The big problem is when people paint this God as all-good, all-powerful and all-knowing, but then can't reconcile why he, for example, allows some kid be born with a genetic deficiency that could easily be fixed (humanity may be able to do it in the future) that makes their life a living hell with no realistic hope of getting better until the day they die. There's plenty of suffering humans face even without these sort of challenges so it's easy to imagine a Universe where genetic disorders aren't a thing.
@@TheCabIe yeah the average person only loves kind God.
In essence, we are in a test with multiple choices laid in front of us and the result of the test will rank you higher than a perfect being (angels) or rank you below the devil where you kiss its foot.
we are not
What does God think about demographic pressures, and resource depletion ?
I was speaking to a Muslim friend about this same concept and we came to the fallacy that within the Quran there is a rule that states that we are here for a test and for judgement day. But I told him god is either all powerfull or all good. But then why do children die to natural causes or born with amputations that lead them to a pre-mature death. He rebuttals that kids that die before the age of 13 go to heaven regardless, but if god is all powerful why would he let people get a free ticket and not go through the test of life
You can continue to question god until you run mad. Keep it up, you are winning the race, Insanity, much like ignorance, is bliss.
Because shatan/devil who is a jinn challenged God and said that let me stay alive till the day of judgement and I will take these humans with me to the hell fire, he thinks he was better because he was made out of fire and humans where made out of clay and the shatan can not be seen but he is always there telling us to do bad things and when God tests us it's to see if we are righteous and obey him still he doesn't need us to obey him pray to him but there if a huge life ahead us the next life and for that we have to pass this test let's say you have a test at school and ti pass you have to practice and learn just like that this life is a test too. I hope you got you answer😊
I think it's natural for us to ask this question and nothing wrong is on trying to answer in with not just "because God knows better" kind of answer.
You can't make sense of randomness if you believe it is the outcome of random.
I loved this clip. It was such a beautiful take on god and choices. I actually needed this clip. It came at the perfect time and very well may have changed my life. Thank you Lex and Omar ❤
Isn't this a whataboutism
But God isn't real
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
A coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous - Albert Einstein
It wasn't a coincidence you came across this clip at the moment you did ❤️🙏
Nice guy…but it’s the old ‘god works in mysterious ways’ argument…heard this before.
They are assuming this because they are also assuming that this entity God Knows all therefore the things that we don't understand or comprehend we have to Believe that this deity has An understanding of its reasoning
Now when I am talking about a God I am not talking about a physical manifestation of some being, I'm talking about existence in itself in which is in all of us. Awareness if you will
Quran 21:35 answers the question I believe.
@@youssssef " I believe." I don't.
@Quint Rankid Well it actually addresses the question of the "why" .. but belief is something between you and God .. not for me to question ur beliefs.
you can use argumernts in a wrong way but doesn't mean its wrong in another situation
Because suffering is meant to inform about a specific disorder, so providing no ability to suffer, would result with lack of such information, and make it hard for anyone to act upon a disorder, simple as that.
Sometimes there is disorder that we already have known, but we realize we can't do anything to fix it and the only option is to accept and be sabr
@@HINOK8 Okay, but the point of suffering is primarily to inform about a disorder, regardless how we decide to act afterwards, and suffering in case of untreated disorder tend to be chronic, as a reminder to keep seeking a cure.
everyone understands that suffering and pain exist for us to recognize happiness when it comes around....... however, if god cannot help us with balancing suffering/happiness, then why do we need him ? that's why people suffer...... not because suffering exists, but because there is HUGE imbalance of suffering/happiness in most people's lives...... if I'm suppose to figure it out by myself, what do I need god for then ?
Belief in God/Allah means belief in this world as extremely short and transitory and only existing to test you with a promised eternal reward and punishment at the end. It kinda renders the question pointless and puts ones mind at peace.
Why? Islam doesn't have that answer because Allah (swt) witholds that information from even the angels.
We probably wouldn't understand with the difference of intellect anyways. It would be like an entomologist exaplaining his research to a worker ant in an ant farm in his laboratory. Probably a much larger gap in intellect, considering the descriptions of Allah (swt) as something preceding time and the universe.
He sent messengers at every moment of human history, follow its guidance you will find the balance, read quran critically, ask muslims about things you do not understand, be sincere in your research, you are not supposed to figure the thing out alone, but also not supposed to find all answers effortlessly.
There is always more good things in this world then there is bad but we as humans take note of the bad things more than the good thing.
God is a concept by which we measure our pain - Lennon
I’ve always disliked when atheists say “If Gods real, why does he let people suffer?” as a means of “proving” God wasn’t real. And I always knew they weren’t right, I just never knew the words to correct them before. I’m glad I came across this video
Alhamdulliah
We think we are suffering and God owes us something for that.
But the truth is, our body does not belongs to us. We just came this world from nothing and instantly got incredible attributes, a mind, a soul, (and maybe vision, touch, and other senses).
For this reason, God already paid our fee right at the moment we born.
But even though He already paid our fee and we have no right to accuse Him, our suffering will still be rewarded in the afterlife.
Becase He is Rahman and Raheem.
edit: typo
I want to expand these incredible blessings that we got right at the moment of our born:
- Having a heart that does not stop even for a second,
- Getting free oxygen at every single minute and moment.
- Having an environment full of millions of beautiful plants, birds, cats, animals and creatures.
- Having an earth that protects us from the darkness, the bullets and the radiation of the space like a safe home.
- Having a face and fingerprint that does not look alike somebody else in the world.
- Ability to have dreams, make plans and having hope.
- Having mines and fuels that constantly warm our homes, run our cars and run the whole World economy.
- Iron and every element itself.
- Having a mother at any part in your life, and feeling the unrequited love.
Next question why do we allow suffering?
I dont think “we” do your average person doesnt contribute to world hunger or the continuation of disease that we have medicine for its entirely up to those who own the food, medicine, homes.
@@waynemiller5232 Look at the amount of food that is wasted by the western world? Sorry no pass.
Because you can't do something about it 😁
@@masihhashimi3543 You mean you won't.
This is a common question - understandably, but people must comprehend what they are asking. Suffering, this world is a test to all mankind, fail or succeed. The calamities, death and destruction are all apart of this test. Yes there is great torment and great happiness, ALL A TEST. You don't know if they suffered physical pain (ie kids crushed by a rock), you can't choose when this context operates. It's 24/7 until the end of time.
One should consider if god even has a plan.
The ideas of god and religions have a history and the religions have religious texts . These are the basis for the beliefs . When I look into the history and read the texts of these religions I have my answer for whether these religions are real or whether god in the way the religions describe exist . You cannot look into contemporary eloquent or persuasive descriptions from people to guide your judgement on the topic.
where does bacteria, viruses, defective cells, genetics fall into this discussion. what causes "suffering"? isn't that what should be discussed?
They all exist as a necessity of creating a world where there exists plausible deniability, by intelligent conscious beings, of the existence of Allah for Allah’s test to be valid. The only world where that’s possible is a world where such creatures exist through what we would consider to be natural processes
For impatient people who have precious time here is your answer 3:42
Why do you suffer? That is a simpler question than first you might think.
It is a "price" you must pay....a "price" worth paying I might add.
But for what?
It is the "price" you pay to be a self-aware being ...your "consciousness"
You could be a stone and feel nothing...but on the whole... as I said "a price worth paying".
Simples...when you think of it...if you think of it, that is.
Lex should really interview Shaykh Hamza Yusuf for a deeper philosophical understanding of Islam or basic religious understanding of any of the three Abrahamic faiths.
Short: life is cruel hence skyman
Not even close.
Summary: ww1 ww2 was all god not Hitler stalin lenin mao
That is a very complicated answer to a simple question
That's all islam does, talk utter shite to avoid being unable to axtuly answer a question.
Wrap people up in nonsense.
Frankly - if you think that's a simple question, you need to work on your thinking.
@@TheOneMsg it is a simple question, and it's simply answered... Allah isn't real but I need to showd the answer in bullshit to make you feel its been answered adequately.
I don't like omer Suleimans style either he's like a western McDonaldised version of a imam who gives generic preachy answers but
1 short question ≠ simple
2 it's not one answer you can find a few in his answer if you know
Yes, the answer is simply "we are being tested".. the next question that follows, 'for what reason?', only God knows, when we meet Him in the hereafter..
For us Christians we are tasked to carry our cross in life just like Jesus did.
Cross is the sign brutality of the ppl of that time which is used to kill the ppl who are against the criminal govern of that time how it became your sign and sign of christianity sometimes i thought about this question if you could answer me ...
sorry for my bad grammer but i am curious to know
When I realized that we are not creating a world that reflects god’s will thing’s make more sense
well said, thanks! i am going to write that down
I didn’t watch the video.. but the answer is in Quran 21:35.
That's a statement that the god that Muslims claim is merciful made a universe with suffering. That doesn't answer why this god you speak of made a universe with suffering.
@@quintrankid8045 they will answer it as a test. Cause they themselves don't know the answer
@@quintrankid8045 if there's no suffering u will never know what is peace, and if your are an atheist please do not talk about what good and not good because in the perspective of atheism the words good and bad and peace and war have no meaning
Quran 21:35 "Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned."
@@n4sroxdvevo454 "f your are an atheist please do not talk about" I intend to talk about whatever I want to talk about. Do you intend to try to impose your view of morality on me?
"if there's no suffering u will never know what is peace," I think we may have different views of suffering and peace. I think you might have intended to use the word comfort instead of peace.
"n the perspective of atheism the words good and bad and peace and war have no meaning" No? Why not? Doesn't evolution give those words meaning? isn't it more reasonable to say that those words don't have meaning if you have faith?
And this still doesn't answer why your god had the choice to make a world without suffering and made it with suffering.
Bad stuff happens: You're accountable
Good stuff happens: God''s accountable
Good stuff happens: Because you chose a good deed over your desires. And what does God say? To choose the good deeds over your desires.
@@akibmohtasim A child is cured of cancer because they chose a good deed over their desires?
also, what is "good" and what is "bad" is subjective for different groups of people
@@itkojecockot I use bad as it relates to the video. Lex uses the word ''suffering'. I use good as the opposite of that.
Lol perfect!
my mystery is love
I appreciate his passion and calmness, but he pretty much said it at the beginning that humans cause suffering onto each other. The whole God aspect is a way of justifying and or numbing the pain and.hoping that there is something better after death...
you'd have to read the Quran (start with al-'Alaq) along with recitation (Omar Hisham has videos with both translation and his recitation) to get why it's divine. it's the Quran that causes me to believe in God, there is no way that was written by any human or bunch of humans or humans alongside jinn, no way on earth. you can also read about it (the Arabic words have several meanings and implications) to see why it is so amazing.
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World with out suffering is paredise.
exactly. This world is supposed to be a test.
@@zarifchowdhury1468 a test? Well that test is corrupted and extremely biased.
@@dynamitebsb4520 not really. you’re assuming every humans are the same. If all humans are unique how can their tests be similar?
@@dynamitebsb4520 and we can’t possibly fathom to understand the wisdom of Allah. Some indeed goes through more suffering. But who knows his end result might be sweeter. For us this world is temporary the main thing is the Afterlife.
Polytheism solves this riddle, clearly the evil gods got more power.
And they are more powerful because people are succumbing to vice and the good gods are not worshipped enough. :O
everything he so eloquently said would only hold valid if truly there is god. however, we will never know that for sure in this life time
And yet it is believed "eye for an eye tooth for a tooth" totally opposite to what is preached amazing
Qur'an 5
45. And We wrote for them in it: a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and an equal wound for a wound; but whoever forgoes it in charity, it will serve as atonement for him. Those who do not rule according to what Allah revealed are the evildoers.
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but whoever forgoes it in charity, it will serve as atonement for him.
@@tokasab8684 again we need to practice what we preach that goes for all religion sad to see people who have the riches don't care about the poor
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I feel you, man. As far as our origin as a species goes, rational thought tends to point towards abiogenesis and evolution by natural selection, blind forces that are indifferent to our well-being.
But in moments of existential panic, that same terrifying feeling begins to quickly creep into the very forefront of my mind. Consciousness, sentience, is a joke. The darkest joke that has ever been played. Something is fucking with me, something is fucking with us..
The predicament that we’re in is horrifying either way, but obviously I’d much rather it be the former. And I think we have good reason to believe that it is the former (outside of the obvious incentive that we have to believe it to be the case. Because if we were being tortured by some all-powerful entity, this would render all of our attempts at improvement as futile).
I have a difficult time believing that such a powerful entity could be that fucking evil. The evils of humanity are really not much more than senseless suffering caused by recycled suffering, ignorance and folly. People who are content with their own existence have no desire to cause others purposeless suffering. In fact, the opposite is true, compassion is something that can be cultivated through training of the mind. So I don’t think an entity that advanced would jerk off to our misery for the sake of its amusement. It just doesn’t add up.
Can you please tell me in a nutshell, what are you trying to say? I'm an asian ,so I didn't understood what you written.
@@tafhim.a.982 reality and existence is hard. People do shitty things and the world us full of horrors like parasites that infect eyes making them blind. Some people try to find meaning in all this in religion, as there must be a purpose to such misery. But there isn't a god, and he would be an evil monster to create such conditions for us to live in.
You sound like an inarticulate rambling idiot who grew up on CZcams.
If God did exist (Which I believe, for the record, He does), he'd be above moral judgement.
@@johnrobinson51 if god would stop every human from sinning and making mistakes it wouldnt make sense to make humans in the first place because we are not perfect so then he can just create angels forever instead because they dont make mistakes thats why it would make more sense for humans to be judged after they die and get exactly what they deserve or be compensated for what they went trough and also be rewarded or punished for their crimes the diffrence between a human and a angel is that a human has desires and a angel doesnt they never make mistakes so the diffrence is that humans can choose to do good and be good while a angel always does and a rightous humman puts effort to be able to go against their desires in order to be good while a angel doesnt because they dont have desires but they still do good and for a humman going trough experiences may build their character in a way or they may learn from experiences how can hummans learn from mistakes when every mistake of them gets godly intervention? so instead when we die we get judged properly but we are hummans and most hummans make mistakes so if you would think of mistakes you or other people made why do you think these conditions are made by hummans even sommething like cursing someone its easier to point at god to solve these problems made by hummans than partly solving these problems with your own ability and sommetimes we may not know why god created something there is a diffrence between knowing why and assuming something if you would assume something you would fool yourself we are limited with what we know if you cant tell me all functions of all animals on earth you definetaly cant prove there isnt a god because you dont have enough knowledge to disprove his existence
🌹1.Don't insult (Q49:11)
🌹2.Speak kindly (Q2:83)
🌹3.Speak gently (Q17:28)
🌹4.Don't backbite (Q49:12)
🌹5.Speak the Truth (Q3:17)
🌹6.Keep your oaths (Q5:89)
🌹7.Do not be arrogant (Q7:13)
🌹8.Restrain your anger (Q3:134)
🌹9.Think good of others (Q24:12)
🌹10.Don't be rude to parents (Q17:23)
🌹11.Don't make fun of others (Q49:11)
🌹12.Turn away from ill speech (Q23:3)
🌹13.Walk in a humble manner (Q25:63)
🌹14.Keep your trusts & promises (Q23:8)
🌹15.Don't claim yourself to be pure (Q53:32)
🌹16.Do not even approach adultery (Q17:32)
🌹17.Don't call others with bad names (Q49:11)
🌹18.Remember Allah and be thankful (Q2:152)
🌹19.Speak nicely, even to the ignorant (Q25:63)
🌹20.Don't ask for repayment for favours (Q76:9)
🌹21.If enemy wants peace, then accept it (Q8:61)
🌹22.Salute the Prophet (saw), do salawats (Q33:56)
🌹23.Call ˹all˺ people to the pilgrimage (hajj) (Q22:27)
🌹24.Give charity /spend (in the way of Allah) (Q2:254)
🌹25.Don’t criticize small donation/charity of others (9:79)
🌹26.Be mindful of Allah and be with the truthful (Q9:119)
🌹27.Do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly (Q2:188)
🌹28.Stand firm for justice even if it is against yourselves(Q4:135)
🌹29.Don't remind others of the favours you done to them (Q2:264)
🌹30.Return a greeting in a better manner or at least the same (Q4:86)
🌹31.Do not be excessive, extravagant, don't spend wastefully (Q17:26)
🌹32 Life of this world is no more than the delusion of enjoyment (Q3:185)
🌹33.Performing prayers (salat/namaz) is a duty on the believers (Q4:103)
🌹34.Turn away from trash talk like gossip, slandering people etc.(Q28:55)
🌹35.Fasting is prescribed for you-as it was for those before you (Q2:183)
🌹36.Don't Bribe authorities in order to devour a portion of others’ property(Q2:188)
🌹37.Establish prayer (salat/namaz) and donate from what was provided (Q8:3)
🌹38.Establish prayer (salat/namaz) and donate from what was provided (Q14:31)
🌹39.Establish prayer (salat/namaz), pay alms-tax, and bow down with those who bow down (Q2:43)
🌹🕋40.Know that this worldly life is no more than play, amusement, luxury, mutual boasting, and competition in wealth and children.(Q57:20)🕋🌹
✍Explanation:
💚Please note these are not the complete ayats, but I took keywords from each ayat. If you would like to read the full ayat, then check the reference.
💬For example take a look the first statement:
🌹Don't insult (Q49:11), when you google Quran 49:11, then you will see the complete surah’s English translation and you will see following:
☝️🕋O believers! Do not let some ˹men˺ ridicule others, they may be better than them, nor let ˹some˺ women ridicule other women, they may be better than them. Do not defame one another, nor call each other by offensive nicknames. How evil it is to act rebelliously after having faith! And whoever does not repent, it is they who are the ˹true˺ wrongdoers.☝️🕋
🤲🌻ALWAYS REMEMBER🌻🤲:
✍Allah is the most merciful and forgiving, no matter how much you have been sinning, run towards Allah , turn to Allah and repent , ask for forgiveness. Some references from the Quran:
🌺🌺🌺🕋Quran 39:53🕋🌺🌺🌺
Say, ˹O Prophet, that Allah says,˺ “O My servants who have exceeded the limits against their souls! Do not lose hope in Allah’s mercy, for Allah certainly forgives all sins. He is indeed the All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
🌺🌺🌺🕋Quran 25:70🕋🌺🌺🌺
As for those who repent, believe, and do good deeds, they are the ones whose evil deeds Allah will change into good deeds. For Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
allah is evil
Long comments about religion= Human resources being wasted
Please explain what happened to the editors of Charlie Hebdo? Do you feel you have a right to impose your beliefs on others?
@@dynamitebsb4520 You're under every comment trying to undermine the message, your heart, eyes and ears are blind and may Allah guide you back to him and forgive you.
@@quintrankid8045 it's just sharing the concepts of islam, that's my purpose . Many people don't know these . & everyone should've Theological knowledge.
It's a great episode and definitely a great clip.
I just couldn't link the picture of a naked woman on the cover of this clip. It has nothing to do with its content.
It's beautifully said, and he's definitely an intelligent and wise man, but...
Saying that suffering exists because of an unknown plan, by an unproven deity, who will fix your suffering in a place no one has ever been to or knows where it is....
Plus, we're taught that we should thank God for every good that comes in our life, but not blame him for the suffering (which might be blasphemous and earn you a trip to a place of eternal suffering).
It's all sounds pretty convenient for Him.
Dear, is there an imagination that is preexisting that you will be born a human and go through life as you did? Then if all this is real and the probability of you existing is quite slim. Then for you to slam something you can't figure out doesn't mean it's not a reality too. Cheers!
Just this sentence “all evil is due to lack of knowledge” has more insight than everything this guy has ever uttered and will ever do in the future when it comes to this subject
that position is also central to Buddhist thought
@@dandybufo9664 it is, but it also follows from epistemology
Does anyone else notice how he says he won’t let his child choke on a toy out of love but then almost directly after says essentially that god will let us choke?
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Omar Suleiman is a radical Islamist
Well because it is down to free will. My friend can jump off a cliff and God had allowed for that but I would stop him.
The physical world / universe exists, in large part, due to duality and the interaction and balance of these opposing / complementary forces. Light - Dark; North - South, Positive - Negative; Right - Wrong, On - Off, Yin - Yang, 1 - 0, Day - Night, Order - Disorder, Good - Evil, Up - Down, True - False, Hot - Cold, Wave - Particle, etc. is observed to be interwoven within the fabric of the "physical world/universe". Thus, the existence of Good would of necessity require the existence of Evil in the physical world / universe, and vice versa. Moreover, the scientifically confirmed property of duality in the physical world / universe would seem to indicate, through the inherent laws that govern it, the existence of a Prime Observer / Cause."
Suffering is part of human evolution and it's up to us to resolve it, not God's. We are on a mission on this planet and one of these challenges is to work together to resolve our problems. Why do we blame God for everything?
So if there isn't a god, we would run around killing each other and commit every sin imaginable? So no one has a morale compass and no guidance in life? Okay that makes tons of sense....Fear of death, torture in "hell" , and the unknown makes you turn to some deity its the bottom line. You can do all the things you mentioned without a god.
Saying if there wasn't god is like saying if 1+1 made 7 or if a circle had 3 sides
Supposedly the best mind today Jordan Peterson had to result to Xanax. 😂
Don’t deny the ineffable, sublime because you can’t rationalize it.
Many people have been able to gradually shed their delusions over time, but there is an argument to be made that many human beings would conduct themselves in worse ways without their belief in a god. Because human beings are not good people
2 also yeah objective morality doesn't exist without God morality is a metaphysical concept you can ask Hume or kant any argument you'd have against the existence of god would apply to morality under any worldview where morality doesn't come from him
ya I dont get it. but its fun to talk about. that's the beauty of having multiple ideas and the freedom to believe in anything you want.
Believers: "It's a test"
source?
"Believe me bro"
Believe me bro?
Source? Never heard frm a believer b4
@@wanfatinsuryaniewa7007 You haven't heard. "Believe me bro" is like, "Believe me, God has a plan for everyone". And when asked, "how can you possibly know that? Can you prove it?", their replies are like "Have faith and you will be saved"
I recommend the new book God, Evil and Suffering in Islam by Salih Sayilgan (Cambridge University Press, 2023) - A resource written from a Muslim perspective
God allows 'bad things' so as to provide perspective and context for creation.
So thoughtful of this god you speak of. Should people who might meet this god of yours in the afterlife thank him for the pain and suffering they experienced in this life so they could have a learning experience?
I had the same expression as Lex during this clip.
Right there with you buddy. This is wishful thinking in the flesh.
@@FA-hb3hf Why don't you ask your god? Maybe it'll finally tell you something.
@@FA-hb3hf if you believe Lex is religious, you must not watch him very much. Have a great day being a hypocrite!
13 minutes of mental gymnastics
13 mins of logic
There is suffering that isn’t man made. Like disease