Fedora's Bizarre Plan For Shipping GIMP 3
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- GIMP 3 is going to be releasing... eventually, I'm not even going to try and make a prediction anymore but when it does happen Fedora Linux has got a pretty odd plan when it comes to shipping the application.
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GIMP developers should be adopted by Valve, they don't know how to count to 3
GIMP 2: Alyx
GIMP 2: Episode 1
4 shalt thou not count, neither count thou 2, excepting that thou then proceed to 3
@@felixfourcolor bloody rabbits
They learned to count to 3 for SteamOS
Mark my words, Gimp 3 will be the last piece of software in the official repos to still use GTK3
Markin em down here. Someone notify us when it happens thx
GTK original stands for "Gimp Tool Kit" and the ones behind gnome used it to make a desktop environment and today Gnome have completely taken it over.
That or Gparted.
FOSS: "Release early, release often"
GIMP: Nah
Isn't this a part of Agile?
@@spatiumowl I quoted from 1999's "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by ESR. But the 2001 Agile Manifesto has a similar Principle, yes
@@crash.override Huh. That's interesting, thanks ^^
@@crash.override nice pfp. Where is this from?
cant wait for gimp 4
Wait for eternity then 😂
I thought they were skipping 4 and going straight to 5.
Not in our lifetime
By the time gimp 4 is released all image editing will be done by AI, lmao
@@carlod1605 will it though?
GTA 6 gonna launch before gimp3 😢
More like gtk 6
More like The Elder Scrolls 6
Gnu Hurd Too
They better star working on that GTK 5 port.
GIMP 3 signals The Year Of The Linux Desktop
3.0 RC1 milestone is set to 31. july, Only 237 bugs left to fix, and 199 merge requests to process. Yea :P
was supposed to be released in may lmfao
If you actually look at the issue tracker you're referring to you'll see that 171 out of those 237 issues are completed, and 177 of 199 merge requests are merged. That leaves 66 open issues and 22 in-progress MRs. Which still requires closing on average 2 issues per day but it's not completely impossible.
@@Saskar Its fair, but its summer time, I thought in early may it was going to happen by September, I could still be surprised.
Considering how many years it took Gimp to get resizable brushes, I'm almost positive 3 will come out within the next ten years.
Gimp 3: Powered by nuclear fusion!
For a second I wondered why GIMP on Gentoo seems to work just fine when I don't even have Python 2 installed. For anyone wondering, the reason is: the "--disable-python" flag is sent to the build process. I just didn't notice because I wrote my extensions in Scheme...
And there's also the Flatpak for it
Flathub will use the latest stable release
I hope the flatpak version comes out soon after the GIMP3 release because for applications like this, I think the flatpak is a more sensible way of distributing than the distro repos. And I will definitely go with it as soon as it is released, I don't rely on any GIMP2 plugins because the lack of nondestructive editing just made me use Krita instead, but I am not a fan of Krita for ONLY image editing, it's much better suited for drawing.
Assuming GIMP3 releases one day and nondestructive editing is working, of course.
If you consider Fedora being the distro focused on stability, it makes sense for wanting to make sure that nothing will go wrong with updating a software whose previous version stuck for 20 years.
So _that's_ why Python2 is still around.
The KDE developers need to fork GIMP into a Qt application similar to Photoshop. The wait for GIMP 3 is getting ridiculous.
I'm glad for the little graphical work I have to do, Krita is more than enough, so I don't need to rely on this ancient piece of software that is probably the antithesis to intuitive design.
@@stephanhuebner4931but that's only because "you haven't learned how to use it!" Clearly.... Nevermind how poorly it functions compared to alternatives
@@bleack8701 Sure, it kinda works like those old text adventures... if you were lucky and thought in the same quirky way the developers did *and* knew how to tell the computer what to do in the exact way it expected, you were able to solve the riddle. But if not, you would have never found the solution in a million years. 😀
@@stephanhuebner4931 I actually use GIMP and like it. I also use Krita and I love it. I am an artist I suppose. Well, in general
I would rather fork gimp and rewrite it, but I genuinely believe it is fine. I I don't see a reason to change or where to start with GIMP other then make it for myself.
I suppose the only thing that really sucks between the two, is I actually like Krita's features in general. It has animation and working with GIFs are better. But that is it.
When I hear things like GIMP 3.0 is on the horizon I get excited, but then I remember it has to be good enough that professionals switch as many did for Blender because it offered a rich feature set comparable to 3DSMax/Maya without the hefty price tag. From what I understand, GIMP 2.0 is way out of date, but then again I don't use any Adobe products as I don't have a need for them. Most photo editing I do on my phone as I think most basic users do. So the real market for something like GIMP is for people with a specific use case and professionals. But, even though I'm not a graphics professional and just familiar with the software and have some experience with their products, I know Adobe has more than just Photoshop and Premiere. Adobe also has After Effects, Illustrator, and Flash, all of which are cross-integrated. It seems like the year of the Linux desktop is going to be when either Linux has enough tools that will satisfy basic user needs (which it may already be there) or when there is a compelling suite of tools for professionals, which there probably wouldn't be without integration between disparate open source/free software projects.
I use vanilla GIMP without add-ins. Looking forward to v3, expect to have v2.x replaced outright when the time comes.
I'm sorry, I'm just caught up on the whole "relies on Python 2" thing.
Another reason why I *completely agree* with yeeting GIMP 2 completely in favor of GIMP 3-you need the old version for something? Great. Install the AppImage or set up copper.
I honestly forgot gimp was even getting a version 3 until this video came out. It's been a long road but I hope gimp can get it done before 2026.
RIP photoshop (a lie that i tell myself everyday)
The only thing that could take over photoshop is an exact perfect clone of photoshop, because people are lazy idiots and don't want to learn new ways of doing something.
Between GIMP and Photopea (website), I think most 2D graphic stuff can be done on Linux these days actually
@@gamechannel1271 tbf a lot of features in GIMP are unnecessarily tedious and clunky.
Tell me a thing you personally *need* Photoshop for. You might,, but outside a business requirement it's unlikely you do.
you guys clearly don't follow @piximperfect
GIMP and its functionality is now more than two decades old, and even basic functions have not been implemented. These include non-destructive adjustment layers, smart-filters and a less destructive approach, which has long been standard in many other programs. At the same time, development is progressing at a snail's pace and there are now far better alternatives. The version is lagging behind just as much as the range of functions. What is the use of a 3 as a version number if the status somehow remains stuck in the early 2000s?
I've really tried to like GIMP over the years, but I'm not a masochist.
Even writing, resizing and rotating text takes 2-3x the time you'd spend with Affinity or Photoshop
GIMP is the only "real" image editor I know, so I don't exactly have alternatives
I'm using Gimp as a flatpak, which is the only sensible way to do so. I don't expect to switch early as I rely on some plugins that at best will take some time to get ported.
The COPR idea is probably a no go as such a COPR will need to also maintain python2 and a bunch of python modules - and that is a huge task.
My thoughts entirely.
Edit: I just notice on Debian the binary for GIMP is gimp-2.10 which is mapped to ~/bin/gimp-2.10 from the flatpak and the XDG points to it. No problem here as far as I can see.
Rewrite it in Rust
Rust on deez nuts
And use Qt as the toolkit :D
What if... you just make your package system... allow you to install multiple versions at the same time...
Nah, that's not the Unix way!
Fedora does actually allow for this, but if they still want security updates to be a thing for gimp 2 then having separate packages is probably easier for users.
You're speaking nonsense! I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING!
Gentoo allows that, with slotted installs
Alright, I’ll be that person.. NixOS
Why don't they just literally look at Arch Linux here? Arch Linux has already managed the whole Python2 problem by moving only that part (Python2 plugins support) to the AUR, while just keeping the main GIMP package in the distribution.
The problem on Fedora is that they keep everything inside the same package. They can just do the same with moving the Python2 part to COPR, while maintaining the main part of GIMP2.
The dev version of GIMP is not really stable so I think they should keep developing it. I love GIMP. But its just not ready.
GIMP 3 finally getting gtk3 when gtk4 released like a year or 2 ago is actually insane
Especially considering GTK originally was "Gimp ToolKit".
But I wouldn't call it insane. Funny? - indeed. Ironic? - probably. But migrating a huge app with >20 years worth of legacy to a new version of a toolkit it uses for most of it's features is no easy feat. I'm not sure when the migration process started but I assume it's in the works for >5 years and given the size of their team it's more "duh" than insane. They probably could've tried to switch from GTK3 to GTK4 mid development and I'm sure they've considered it but decided that they could move to GTK3 faster with less pain (jumping two major versions is also often a lot harder than just migrate to the next one. Introduction of GTK3 is a step towards GTK4 just by the virtue of it being an intermediate version).
And GTK3 still has lots of features that will benefit GIMP3 when it comes out, the most important one for me being wayland support.
I've migrated several projects to new versions of toolkits or other technologies. None of them were as huge as GIMP (although they weren't small either 50k-100k loc generally). All of them were a PITA to deal with and a major time sink. It was worth it every time though.
@@guguludugulu True, GIMP is a huge project and it would take alot of effort, although considering it's one of the largest FOSS projects, I would hope it is among the projects with the most contributors. You have a point tho for sure
@PenguinByte
They also tiding up the code base to make it easier to upgrade stuff and find bugs. Think how missy it is with ancient code that we and them probably won't understand.
A year or two? Try 2020 😭😭
To be fair, since GIMP isn't strictly a Gnome app, I don't see their migration to GTK4 as anything good. It's probably good for it to stay GTK3 until that XApp initiative comes up with something (I can hope, at least).
The fsf should drop gimp and promote krita instead... And work with kde to add more image manipulation to the aforementioned application
Also if it's not extensively clear. I use krita for my image manipulation...
Seriously we should talk to the Krita team and propose them to make PhotoKrita . The program would be 100% identical but the name would suggest that people can use it for photo. Seriously a lot of people don't even try Krita because they think it is only for drawing.
@@leucome I mean I think it's important for the FSF to do this too, I watched a video once where they your whole premise was gimp is bad there for all free software other than blender is bad.
Gimp is far from the only reason to keep python2 around. There are decades of other legacy python2 programs people still use.
if this release goes well, it could take a bit of momentum from the recent Adobe shenanigans, of course not nearly the same level as Godot did where they announced their development fund within 24 hours of the Unity licensing implosion, but i still think the project can gain something from the release.
I really, really doubt that. It's not much different than with switching to Linux as a whole. Hobbyists could just as well use Gimp instead of Photoshop, sure, but if you're a professional and your workflow is based off of Photoshop, there's a huge can of worms being opened if you start making such a transition, if it's even possible at all. Also, it's not even necessarily about the money, it's about the work-hours you loose during the time of transition, which you couldn't spend on your regular work. No sane company would do that if they can avoid it.
the problem with gimp is that it still looks like gimp, if had a blender style facelift I can see that being the big switch but 90% of ppl wanting to switch from photoshop are running windows and would rather just get affinity than learn gimp
at least you get it
Suggestion in 11:30 is what should be done, in my opinion. Ship gimp as meta package. And make it depend on gimp3 and gimp2. Then it will work for most people. And people can be suggested to uninstall gimp2 in the description in gimp and gimp2 when they think gimp3 is ready.
And so should every transaction be done, with less confusion for users. Which is what should be cared for and made easy for. Developers doing this for the users, so if they have to think a bit to get it right, so let it be that.
If you don't agree, go and ask Linus Torwalds about how Linux is managed. Basically, uses should be left with so little surprices as possible, and developers should see to that. Even if it means lots of work. That is, explicity not like in systemd. There are a video where they discuss the differens and Linus explain how Linux does that.
Any day now... kinda like your video about NixOS 😄
Well, I use a script-fu plugin written by someone else and a python plugin I wrote myself on a regular basis, so, the migration is not going to be immediate for sure (given that I haven't even checked how the plugins are written for gimp3). I do use the flatpak version, though, so, I wonder if that'll auto-upgrade, or if they'll have gimp3 as a separate package on flathub.
There is a gimp3 package in Fedora 40. It works as expected, installed development version. This decision with shipping gimp3 as default seems very resonable.
If there's gonna be so much breakage, the last version of 2 should come with a warning about what's coming and recommendations for the migration process etc
ngl, the gimp/gimp3 system would probably be the best and cleanest way to do it (i mean, it's not like that is new, kinda like python and pyhton3, at the least on windows)
been using photoshop since windows 3.1, been using gimp off and on since it dropped its first release... ive tried windows and linux versions of gimp many many times.
it doesnt hold a candle to photoshop.. but the biggest hurdle to get over is the loss of lightroom..i take thousands of pics a year.. and without something like lightroom to organize and do basic editing im pretty much stuck on windows/mac...
im hoping gimp3 drops with some good stuff tho.. would love to see it finally advance a bit more in functionality.
Have you considered Darktable?
Digikam is a pretty usable lightroom alternative
FYI if you don't use specific plugins Gimp already has appimages of different versions, some plugins even work with them.
[also photopea goes brrrr so I don't care lmao XD]
This whole problem of users expecting version 3 but getting 2 happens when they only try sudo dnf in gimp. I guess the naming in the graphical store (gnome software, KDE store) is more clear and they see that there is two packages in the store.
i don't use gimp, but if gimp is small as blender is. i don't see the issue of installing both at same time for a while if it solves lots of issues
gimp is pretty large tbh.
*Green Is My Pepper*
Make a new package called gimp3. Rename the current package to gimp2. Have gimp-latest be an alias to whichever one is current (which would be gimp2 right now and through all release candidates, but would change to gimp3 later). And if you try to install gimp with no suffix, you are told there are three such packages.
The gimp package should be renamed gimp2, so as not to automatically upgrade and kill old workflows. Instead, GIMP itself would inform users that version 3.0 has been released, ideally quickly linking to be able to install it. Upon first launch, GIMP 3 notices the lack of gimp3 user configs and creates them from the gimp2 config (or uses defaults for what doesn't exist). On subsequent launches, if the gimp3 config exists, it just uses that.
Oh, and if python2 is only by gimp2, put it in the gimp2 package.
Later on, you can kill gimp2, but not remotely right away.
Pray they release tmrw, but at this point you are right: It's ready when its ready
Very much waiting for the revamped GIMP3.0
Expect Debian to do it like this. Arch will definitely just move to gimp3 as soon as it's out.
Maybe Fedora can include a Calamares image that says “GIMP 3 now default! GIMP 2 still available with dnf install gimp2!”
Fedora should simply axe gimp2 to get rid of python 2. I'd say Gimp2 should move to one of the unsupported package repos like flathub, copr, or RPM fusion. Python2 can follow Gimp2 to wherever Gimp2 goes...
Ahem. Or you could just move the Gimp2 installation to the flatpak for it.
We will have nucklearfusion before the GIMP update. 😂
As it is July 3rd and on the site GIMP the stable release is still 2.10 so I guess GIMP 3 hasn't released on time
Gimp's about as ready as nuclear fusion.
If you still depend on python 2 in 2024, will you be the 'program to have ' tomorrow ?
yay GIMP 3 is out.......
great, and GTK is at version 7
i do hope they got rid of a lot of janks
Just have a stub package called gimp-compat or something that makes symlinks and shit
12:52 *fewer* bugs.
IDK, but even in current stable (i.e. OLD) debian there are no python2 anymore. But gimp is. How did they done this?
If GIMP 3 ever release it will already be absolute...
At this rate I bet Gimp 4 comes out before Gimp 3
What I don't get though is: why a desktop app written in python of all things?
Until you release it I will make my own Photoshop clone with AI.
I already have beta working...
Year 2030 "GIMP 3 will be ready when will be ready"
It's honestly a big surprise to see Fedora being so shy about breaking user experience with a new software release.
Back in the late 90s and early 2000s we had Powermacs and Sun Servers as a backend for preprint and print (no, I'm not talking about your inkjet printer, I'm talking about offset presses and the early stages of digital offset. Google HP Indigo). Then Sun was no more and we used Apple Xservers until those where no more,
For some 20 years we are at 10 bit per pixel Adobe, HKS, Pantone certified CMYK colors and GIMP will never be able to do this. Still Macs as a frontend but now with Windows Servers as a backend.
You won't catch me sending a JPEG or PNG to the printers (people, not appliances) it will be PSD or TIFF.
As a big Linux fan, I have to say GIMP will never have a place in professional printing.
Why do you think it will never be able to do this?
@@guguluduguluPantone’s pricey?
Shit, it would be nice if GIMP had people in the professional sphere tell them what they want, what a wild concept :)
@@guguludugulu GIMP 3 was meant to do CMYK separations any time soon now for a very long time.
To be fair, GIMP was not designed with professional printing in mind. It is and always has been an image editor for web, screens, and digital video. I’m a big proponent of use the best tool for the job, and GIMP isn’t a CMYK tool.
what's so weird about distributing a few versions of same package? I haven't seen any video about PHP o Python talking about same thing
Are we getting GIMP 3 before GTA 6?
I think about it this way, Fedora is the RC for RHEL, so absolutely have the option to have an RC version of GIMP.
What are good reasons to keep using Gimp instead of Krita? Is it only about the plugin ecosystem and it being what you know, or is there something else?
I imagine there are some plugins for Gimp that do things you can't do in Krita yet, but it sound very niche to me. I haven't touched Gimp for a long time.
Krita is very focused on drawing, not on image manipulation. GIMP and Krita are just trying to fill different niches
@@spatiumowl What's the problem with that?Ignore the drawing tools, they're not in your way to do anything else (configure the UI and make it all go away if you want).
What do you need from Gimp that Krita doesn't do?
@@frechjo I wasn't going horribly deeply here, since I'm an artist, not a photo editor. Krita definitely positions itself as a drawing and animation tool, not as anything for photo editing. Gimp positions itself as an image manipulation program. That's about all I meant here. I guess you could try using Krita for photo editing, but it just wasn't its intended purpose so don't be surprised if some tools are missing. As for the quality of GIMP... well I can't say much more than that I haven't heard it being highly regarded for anything other than some very light work. So I dunno. But despite its quality, it is, in fact, in a different niche, so when new features get added, they will be for that purpose
@@spatiumowl Don't get me wrong, I want to like Gimp again...
But yes, if I have to do "some very light work" on image manipulation, I'm happier in Krita, that's my personal experience.
I was hopping for someone to tell me where it falls short, see other perspective.
Some people edit videos in Blender, I don't see anything wrong with that.
@@frechjo I'm not defending GIMP here or saying that there's anything wrong here. Just saying that these use cases will probably not be considered much during the development since the project has a different purpose (so all efforts will be on that purpose). But yeah, if that works for you, I don't see any reason why you should use it (I myself use Krita for almost all the image editing (tho I use Aseprite for pixel art))
Would be nice if GIMP 3 dropped soon...
Maybe I think new gimp 3 when fall 2024 🤔
If gimp 3 not long year but so gimp 3 will soon I hope
Python 2 isn't in the main Arch repos anymore but GIMP is. Are you sure it depends on it?
The plugin system depends on Python 2, and that's disabled on Arch unless you install python2-gimp from the aur
TIL there existing GIMP plugins /j
Besides AI features, what is GIMP missing that's already in Photoshop?
You can go browse the dev log and look for the hundreds of new features they added. You can assume that it was all missing for sure because they always add strict minimum. Current Gimp is about equivalent to Photoshop from 1998 but not quite. If I remember correctly Photoshop in the 90 was already handling more color space.
@@leucome if you don't mind me asking, because I don't use Photoshop, but know it's important for many workflows, how would you compare GIMP 3.0 to Photoshop. Is it like CS/CS 2 era?
@@bradweir3085 They added non destructive effects and adjustments. SO this part is modernized similar to CS6/Krita/Clip Studio . It is still missing other color space and some tools for the printing industry. They still have some works to do for sure. Krita and Clip Studio are real close to be drop in replacement for Photoshop even thought these were aiming for the Illustration industry.
Why does GIMP 2 work on Arch without python2 installed then? :O
wayland completion before gimp 3
I feel like this is just bikeshedding at this point. There are plenty of examples I can think of (particularly in Debian and RHEL) in which things are done both ways. It's not a big deal.
So, right now GIMP is allowing old software that requires Python 2 to continue working, right?
GIMP 4 should be based on"Photogimp"fork...
This is all crazy to me, imagine Microsoft relying on a photoshop update to release a new version of windows 😂 it sounds stupid because it is. Fedora wants to end support for python 2 do it , it’s gimp users problem to install it later if they want to use gimp2
I will try it, but every time I have launch GIMP 2 it's was a nightmare, for a longue time I didn't really give linux a chance based on gimp, because it's was the most know linux app and it's was so bad... I was a photoshop user and really, I was unable to do anything with gimp and still can't every time I try it I need a tutorial to do anything and I ask myself "why? how in the world did they decided that it's was user friendly?!"
well, blender has become a lot better with the year so maybe...
fortunately Krita has given me hope, it's a really good app, the only part that I hate (and that I asked myself the same question than gimp) is the text editor, hopefully it's will change (maybe it's has, I didn't launch Krita recently).
Ive heard theyre gonna change the krita text editor ui in 5.3
@@ArtisticTozmic I really hope so, that the only feature that force me to switch to other app when I need to add text.
Why is maintaining python 2 a big issue if it's EOL? Shouldn't it just be a file that you don't touch?
How about krita >:(
I am just about half way through the video and Fedora's logic ... well it does make sense to me. I am not (WHEN 3 IS READY AND OUT) even against leaving gimp2 for more than one cycle (maybe THEN move gimp 2 to a "gimp-legacy" package or something... keeping Python 2 around is not "ideal" but if there is no horrible security issues and Gimp Legacy (again Gimp2 at that time) stays around and working for those that need "Gimp 2 only plugins" ... I am not against it.
as far as the 5:55 "issue" for users ... as a user (I do not have a Fedora install handy to be honest but i do use it every so often) ... this is not a huge deal for me ... i could see myself fresh installing Fedora .. then Gimp (2 when i meant to install 3) .. then going "oh yeah .. i need 'gimp3' " and installing that no real big deal
6:30 if that is the way Fedora USUALLY does it ... for consistency ... I am for this idea (despite what I said in my first post)
9:00 ( close enough) yeah ,,, this is not a bad idea ... if that copr repo has everything (even python2) Gimp 2 would need and you can trust the devs that maintain that copr repo ... this sounds like a good idea
I know that this what I would like to say is a heresy to some, but maybe developers of gimp should move to KDE and help with Krita, cause already it is a more capable software, only few things missing here and there and polishing to be actual something like Photoshop and more. Mostly Fonts are terrible, and vector stuff could be better...
GIMP 3! GIMP 3! GIMP 3! It will release by that year that you know the thing...
GNU Image Manipulation Program?
COP(E)R
Look at how concerned I am, wait I'm not, this is only a problem if you are desperate to remove the old version from the repos. Depreciate Gimp 2.x but leave the packages alone. Just have it be governed but defaults like other programs. They project already has versions adjusted to live side by side.
Running beta versions of Gimp has been totally fine for actual work for a decade, alongside the whatever was current.
On Debian based distributions it is common to do this, or be able to pin a version, pick your poison.
All joking aside, I really really want GIMP 3. C’mon guys…
Gimp 3 is coming
GIMP 3 will release some day. Ok. Will it even come close to what Affinity/Photoshop can do? And will the work and wait have been worth it? I wonder...
It gives off "Brand new 60s car!" Vibes. Just boot up a windows VM and compare GIMP to what you can do in Affinity/Phtoshop and compare how long it takes you to do it. There's no contest, but because those two don't run properly on Linux the Linix users dont understand how bad GIMP is.
GIMP - Garbage Infesting My PC
Gimp 2.0 should be pushed to a new package named `gimp2`. I think it's really dumb that to use Python 3.x reliably you need to run it as `python3`, but despite that fact many scripts/applications still run python with the `python` command, causing issues if you have both Python 2.x and Python 3.x installed. I don't think GIMP should suffer the same issues, especially if different distros choose to handle the GIMP 3 update differently.
Gimp release is such a thing that ever been
So much so that everytime someone suggest gimp as auternative to photoshop I get mad at them for not suggesting krita, a far better program
As far as I can tell, Krita is a great program, for *art*. If you're doing Graphic Design or something (mostly layout or even making .gifs frame-by-frame) then GIMP works fine, I don't remember Krita being good for that
@@m.2383 ah so you mean inkscape then lol but krita is fine for raster, i too would argue its better than GIMP
@@m.2383 Krita is in fact a lot better for animations. It's got a lot better for vector stuff - not great yet, but if you haven't tried it for a long time, it used to be really bad. I'd say mainly text is kinda iffy and bad to work with for design, but it can be done, and it comes with all the other stuff that Krita does a lot better than Gimp.
@@m.2383 both krita and gimp are not vector based program, krita may 🐝 a art and animation focused and so it has a brush engine that is overkill if what you need is only to crop a object out of a photo or make someone look less fat, but its tools(other than text tool) are so much better
Which is coming out first? Half-Life 3 or GIMP 3? get it? It's never coming out.
I'd not be surprised if Valve will keep avoiding the number 3 simply because of the meme now
I'll just wait, I mean, GIMP is too weird for people anyways, it makes dificult the switch for phososhop users, maybe someday the devs will put more effort on UX/UI and that takes time and money
Gimp needs python? Gentoo says no. 🤷
Why would you want GIMP anyway?
:3