Flatpak & Flathub Changed The Linux Desktop
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- The flatpak format has been around for close to 9 years now and the main way to acquire flatpaks is through the Flathub store and recently it passed a giant milestone of 2 billion downloads.
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> CZcamsr mentions Brazil
> Commenters from Brazil
> "It's my time to shine"
As a Brazilian I can confirm, we may or may not dominate chats whenever mentioned
Brazil™️
Brazil mentioned, assemble the armies!
So you discovered the free hack for boosting the comments. Indeed
OMG Brazil mentioned!!! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Germans value privacy a lot. There was time when Google StreetView didn't existed for Germany quite many years, because laws forbidden any filming of any private land without permission from each owner; while it existed in all neighboring countries. Germany has Linux desktop in some government institutions now.
I like Germany.
As a German I am very proud to read this thanks :)
Damn I might move to Germany when I’m older
You can still request from google that your home isn't shown on Street View in Germany and hey have to do this.
@@Butterscotch_96 This is a plus, but there are many negatives too.
I guess the eastern states had enough of the Stasi.
I doubt it has anything to do with that. Just like the US has a lot of installs because it's the economic center of the planet, Germany has a lot of installs because it's the economic center of the EU.
Germany always had a strong Linux community. Microsoft even tried to stop the sale of Linux distributions in the early 2000s. We always were very privacy focused here, so probably that’s the reason
I think (no scientific data just feels) It's the mix of several things:
-Even regular Germans are very privacy aware. If you want to spy or record us your are in for a beating! We don't need a stasi here.
-Germany had for a long time a culture that goes against the ways intellectual property is perceived today! Napster for example was a legal place to exchange your private music! And we had the right to create private copies of anything we liked and spread it to up to 5 friends or relatives. This copyability and non-existence of a pay-me-for-each-copy-licence in Linux (Suse aka Slackware) is the cultural appeal of that OS.
-Linux and free-software appeals even to the more "I just followed orders" type of German, as it has a clear image of an enemy (unfree closed source software and mostly Microsoft) and a big support group to hate and fight that enemy .
-Germans love Clubs/Associatons if there is a thing that could get organized it will be organized. And Free Software delivers so any excuses to open a new club or get membership in a new association.
Just look at the Chaos Computer Club. Even those "we are oh so free and unrestricted" mother fuckers couldn't hold back the German urge to get their hobby horse organized into a club.
Per capita the number for Germany must be much higher than for the US (if I am not very much mistaken). It would also be interesting to compare the US and Europe.
Don't forget the Munich government mandated Linux on government computers for a while before the latest change in government switched them back to Windows. They've switched back and forth many times 2014, 2017, 2020 and I'm sure other times.
@@mysticknight487Iirc Schleswig-Holstein recently switched to Linux too!
I'm from Germany and when I started with Linux a few years back my English wasn't as good as it is now but you would still find a lot of information, documentation and most important a helpful community in German which I think helps a lot.
Google Chrome being so high could be a litmus test of the number of "normies" actually using linux
Or the number of Linux users needing a way to access stuff that doesn't work in Firefox. Which, for a good couple of weeks, included all of CZcams.
@@stevethepocketthere's so many better chromium based browsers tho, so definitely could show "normie" usage lol
@@stevethepocket I just use ungoogled chromium for that stuff.
@@blasiankxng Linux is normie
It's more likely that many companies use google docs as their office suite and thus you need Chrome to use them effectively.
This is why I use it on my work computer.
Looks like we finally found the one standard most people can agree on. Hopefully this encourages app developers to find the courage to throw their apps on there
Everyone unless you are on canonical's payroll
Everyone unless you do something that has to interact with the system like a cli tool
@someguy9175 yeah canonical had to force ubuntu flavors to use snap, otherwise a single distro would come with snap instead of flatpaks
@@flarebear5346 Just need some way to use distroboxes tools automatically with flatpak and we might just have it all figured out for the first time in a minute
@@flarebear5346 which is completely doable with flatpaks, using aliases for decent intergration.
Additionally, the -command= syntax and I stdin can be used normally.
The underlying bubblewrap tool also is fully CLI operated.
This usecase simply is underdeveloped, though the MPV flatpak is an example.
About the Open Source / Germany thing:
Suse is a German distribution. It was one of the first major distributions tailored to desktop/workstation usage. And probably the very first distro that sold installation CD's (like 7 CD's loaded with thousands of packages) along with installation and usage manuals on a large scale, in retail stores. Also there was a pretty strong movement at the start of the 00's to move all government software to open source (back when Open Office was still owned by Sun Microsystems and SuSe Linux by Novell). It has been reverted to Microsoft later on, but I believe since a few years there is a strong resurgence to promote and prioritize FLOSS in government/public sectors again.
Wooow Started Linux with these Suse Linux box (and books that comes with) ... without internet initially!
@@JackTheOwl Yeah, back then it was the only viable way to install a Linux desktop environment. No way you were going to download Gnome/KDE and related software with a 56k6 modem. 😅
@@JackTheOwl I remember seeing these in Karstadt all the time when I was still a kid.
Great stuff indeed.
there have been multiple attempts of moving government stuff over to Linux, but all failed so far. Mainly because they always set way too big of a scope (iirc one time the scope was to make their own distro even). Another attempt is now going on the highest level. Previous ones were mostly cities trying their hands
@@mstarOnYT Funniest thing is still how the EU wants to be independent yet they stick with Microsoft Office.
The answer to the Germany question is SuSe :p
Everyone always forgets the lizard
Also in general germany had a really promising tech sector. A lot of it died but it's slowly getting better again
one of the very first distros (pre-slackware) was also german, called "Deutsche Linux Distrobition"
My distro of choice by now.
Moin Moin an dieser Stelle.
Runs on all my servers :)
And the first distribution of Linux I ever tried was Knoppix--which, I think, pioneered the live CD format.
"back then no one used mastodon"
me, using mastodon in 2017:
Yes Brodie was way out of line. How could he ignore all 4 of you...
@Doctor_Glados hey! That's not an insignificant portion of the linux community
@@Doctor_Glados I was one of those 4 lol
as brodie said, you didn't exist back then, I'm sorry, but someone had to tell this to you :(
actually add 5th
Re: Chrome Flatpak
It's literally the only flatpak I have installed on my wife's laptop when I helped her switch over to Linux. I couldn't stand the idea of just letting Chrome run rampant, and figured that even tho Flatpak offers a fairly weak sandbox, it was better than nothing, since she insisted she absolutely needed Chrome.
Install Chromium and change the icon. 😈
Just would like to warn you that flatpaks chrome has a "broken" namespace sandbox.
@@tablettablete186and every other browser for that matter. Tried firefox and had the same problem when trying to connect KeePass to it. Got me frustrated after trying multiple browsers. SteamOS is kinda annoying for this.
@@tablettablete186 please raise an issue, if you really think/can prove this - we recently had this for brave and it turned into a non issue
I think YT deleted some comments here
Just as a note, flatpak sandbox isn't a good sandbox from a security standpoint. It's more of a "works almost everywhere"-box than a sandbox.
And it still provides issues... That is why I dislike such formats and use them only if I have no other choice.
@@michadybczak4862 they are better lol they dont have any issues which arent fixable, flatpak fundamentally is better, the issues flatpak has arent inherent issues with the format and are only implementation issues which are fixable (and are getting fixed)
I do think the hacker community of the chaos computer club in germany plays a role in why floss is so big here, but it's probably just one factor of many.
They were influential, but far moreso in Europe than the US of course.
@@orbatos we were specifically talking about germany
That’s probably it. I’m in a FOSS club in America, but there’s only 6 of us. That’s probably why FOSS isn’t so popular here. Sorry, all.
9:51 - The Steam Deck may not have accounted for as many downloads as that, but it *did* demonstrate to a mainstream audience that a relatively user-friendly and stable Linux system _can_ run with only being able to install Flatpak apps, and that it benefits from this.
I've been using Linux since the late 90s and using my Steam Deck convinced me I could switch over to an "immutable"/atomic distro on my main laptop. I've seen quite a few Windows diehards find it a good argument for at least trying a dual boot setup. Honestly while I can't see a general release of SteamOS3 bringing on "the year of Linux on the Desktop" I can see it being a tipping point in how people perceive Linux.
@@MechanicaMenace I think that if valve releases a desktop steamos3 it may hurt more than help in the short term.
@@whiskytangofoxtrot_Why?
@@whiskytangofoxtrot_ a desktop steamos3 would help way more than hurt lmao
The Big costly steam deck does only have 1 TB of SSD and then we have to use bloatpak to lose even more disk space ...
🇧🇷 Brazil Mentioned! 🇧🇷
We are the reason that "free as in free beer" is also important for software.
My work requires a lot of image editing but I cannot afford an Adobe subscription.
To be fair libre means the same in spanish
Tamo junto :P
What is this Brazil mentioned trend? Why everyone get exited when Brazil is mentioned?
@@user-xv8xh2ib6p people get excited when their country gets mentioned, even more if their country isn't usually mentioned, for example my country Costa Rica, when someone mentions it, even if it is for something bad I react like "oh wow they know we exist"
@@Tentriyeah that’s the feeling
I just got recommended the video earlier today where Linus complains about the lack of a standard for distributing apps on the Linux desktop and now this gem drops
The free desktop group does so much good work. It's amazing to have them working on the Linux desktop.
Valve needs to take control of the Steam flatpak. The deb made sense at first when Ubuntu was the clearly better option but that's not the case anymore, hasn't been in a long time, and a distro agnostic package makes more sense these days.
I also think it would be funny to see how Canonical would handle that situation.
They don't want to. Their cited reasons are difficult maintenance, lots of broken features, VR CAN'T work, gamepads don't work without special device rules, Proton game performance is 1-20% worse than the non-sandboxed app, and Nvidia loses driver overnight, and frequent issues with things like multiple instances of Steam running by accident. And much more...
@@MyAmazingUsername What do you mean VR can't work? Same as with gamepads you set up some udev rules (and give the vrcompositor one extra capabilities) and you are good to go, possibly an argument for something Flatpak can't do yet I guess. Where did you get the performance numbers from? Not my experience, I did see the "multiple instances" thing before though
@@hecate6834The performance numbers should probably be related to CPU bound games.
They take a hit on performance because of the SECCOMP filters used.
@@MyAmazingUsername Where did they say that? Because that isn't my experience with the unofficial flatpak at all. Gamepads seem to work just fine and I can't notice any real difference in performance in games. Maybe I was just lucky, but I find that very unlikely.
The only time I remember seeing a Valve employee criticize flatpak his issue was lack of decent documentation but he didn't mention anything else.
Since Linux distros have modern display server, Wayland, sound server, Pipewire, accessibility framework, Pipewire and sandboxed apps distribution system that can be packaged by developers themselves instead of someone else, Flatpak, I think Linux can really become popular among both users and developers.
Pretty much. I like to compare the current state of Linux to Android.
Perhaps Wayland can be compared to Android 5 and up, X11 to 4.2 and below given the technical change there.
But with how rough things can still be, the early days would be more appropriate.
It is amazing to see how the Linux app and desktop ecosystem are developing.
Here's hoping COSMIC helps to somewhat remedy GNOME's standards breaking snowflake syndrome.
This as KDE Plasma will really stay the system for the tinkerers and power users, despite my significant preference for it.
@@WyvernDotRedAndroid is by far the most commonly used Linux distro.
It is a very unusual one but it still is one
Pipewire is even better. It's a AV media stream server!
At this pace next year it will be 100% the year of the Linux desktop
To be fair, accessibility on Wayland is hot garbage right now. Like there are just no on-screen keyboards available if you're not interested in running gnome.
3:37 and 4:31 same clip.
Ripp
Ok, cool not having a stroke.
Classic CZcamsr duplication. Funny because Flatpak deduplicates files lol
Dejavu. Are we in the Matrix?
I thought I was having a deja vu
We all know that the only real way to install applications on Linux is by compiling them from source
Gentoo certified. I love slapping a "target-cpu=native" whenever I can, to get the same benefits as Android AOT/oat
it's slightly terrifying that there are still random youtube videos where people tell you to just sudo make install into /usr
Yes, but it is also a real nightmare, which repeats itself every time. Flatpak is a huge nightmare, but at least, it's a one-time thing.
I’ll go with spack
Oh yes, please. I would really like to see the history of Linux in Germany. I am from Germany and in our company we use Linux everywhere, on each laptop, all Linux servers of course. But all the customers usually use Windows.
11:48 Brasil Mentioned 🐍🐆🌳🌴🇧🇷🏖️
North Korea with modest 316 downloads: insert "I'm doing my part!" meme
I'd love to watch a CZcams documentary on Linux use in Germany. I wonder how these downloads say compare to the so-called "Desktop use" metrics, where it shows Linux, Windows, and macOS usage.
It’s changed the way I use the desktop. It’s far easier to use flatpak than it is to compile, and its ability to stay up to date compared to fixed distributions makes me less concerned about using Debian for a solid subsystem and flatpak apps running on top.
CZcams killing off Google Play Music is the reason I use ad blockers on CZcams and don't pay for premium anymore. It was great and they killed it like everything else. Tried Spotify for a while, but now I just use a Navidrome server.
You use a server for mp3 files? Did you know you can just copy them onto a flash memory and access them without using internet bandwidth?
I found out I don't need the "cloud" whatsoever, I can load whatever data onto cheap flash memory and take it anywhere, practically.
That may be so, but Flathub really need to up their game when it comes to developer documentation as well as simplifying the process. The amount of work it took for us to distribute an electron application on flathub was ridiculous compared to every other of our many formats.
Electron should go away anyway, since they don’t have a standard for the versioning and applications can just use whatever they wish rather than at least being a few versions behind. Case in point is discord.
delusional take but ok.
@@Jaymal10And it’s gigantic. I made a GTK hello world webview app in Python and when compiled (using Nuitka) it was half the size as the Electron 31 runtime.
@@InfinityNI apologize, I misread the sequence of comments.
I'll change the answer, you're right, but less personal insults and more explanations, even harsh ones, on the real facts.
@@InfinityN I mean my point is discord and Wayland. They use such inferior version of electron still that it does not work fully with Wayland and at the end of the day, it’s better to tell people to use the Web version on Linux. If they do any short of video screen sharing.
I'm actually surprised FireFox is so high given the fact that it always comes bundled with the distro.
4:28 bruh. Mistake in editing?
I noticed that to lol
I thought I was tripping 😭
Flatpak has made it much easier for non-technical people to use Linux. People that use Windows are used to downloading random exe and msi files that then open a wizard they have to go through, so Flatpak may even seem more convenient since they're essentially a one-click install of almost any application a user might want.
the only pain point i've encountered is permissions sometimes, i know that can be easily fixed in the terminal or using Flatseal, but that's not as simple to do for non-technical users.
As a long time Linux user I've been mostly relying on the traditional sources for installing applications. Curiously it was the Steam Deck which introduced me to Flatpaks: on immutable distributions like the Steam Deck OS Flatpak is the expected way to install traditional desktop applications after all.
This is just pure speculation, but I think one reason why Germany is so "big" in terms of downloads and/or open source may be because of the Amiga. It was extremely popular in Germany and it also (to my knowledge at least) was the first system where users spread the idea of sharing software completely for free (freeware / public domain).
I remember countless disk magazines, actually delivered of Floppy Disks via a package to your door from people who collected that stuff in their free time, possibly the most well known of them the Fish-Disks from Fred Fish, who, as it seems, was a strong proponent of free software. Basically, the ideological jump to something like Linux and open source isn't that big, if you grew up with the Amiga.
Here in Germany, Linux is relatively popular.
Sure, most people still stick with Windows and gamers are about as stubborn as Devuan hardliners but there's SUSE, Knoppix, the Linux Tage event and of course the Chaos Communication Congress among many other places where Linux use obviously is very high.
Keep in mind, Germany has always been into computers even if the rest of the world goes videogame consoles and phones.
As for Flatpak, I love to use it since I do no longer need to worry about what distro I install as all of them end up having the same software versions.
Here at home I am running openSUSE (speaking of German products, huh?) but my workstation in the company runs Mint Debian and while both have different base packages, the user software I use on a day to day basis is equal unless I mark a package to keep its version.
To me this has been one of the biggest Linux adoption issues in the past and Flatpak/Flathub fixed that for the most part.
As for the Germany question:
It comes down to the mentality and culture.
A lot of people here don't want to sell you something. They just like to hack, engineer and tinker. And I would say that FLOSS prioritizes the technical solution before the financial incentives.
On the other hand we are just paranoid about privacy since big tech usually comes from the US and thus is hard to control.
Then if you visit the Congress of the Chaos Computer Club (Chaos Communication Congress) you will find a lot of anarchist(-leaning) people there that strongly believe in their mission to help each other out by sharing ideas via code.
Then there is the EU thats subsidizes Open Source with grants and EU politicians are also open to influence from hacker groups and technical experts.
Lastly open source is a very (not exclusively) european thing and germany just happens to be the largest european country, by population.
Ive been saying this for months: rpm/deb/etc is for system components only. For everything else - flatpak.
and by everythign else you mean graphical apps? because desktop linux is the tiniest most irrelevant blip on the radar of what linux is used for. I hate what cannonical has done with snap but flatpak is such a small niche its essentially useless to 99.9% of linux applications
A break from dependency hell was my main reason to use flatpak for GUI applications.
Edit: Containerization in general is a good strategy to avoid such.
@@jasonm2477 for applications not being managed by the distro maintainers, it's way more friendly than a .git or .tar.gz link.
@@Man-xk9rzcontainerization will be the death of storage. So long DRY principle, I will have 35 instances of Python installed on the same distro
@@jasonm2477if you count things like grep as applications that is. There's plenty of graphical apps that benefit from flatpak and a huge amount of users that benefit from being able to install flatpaks instead of relying on often unsupported versions of software in system package managers or having to bother compiling everything from source and figuring out how to install dependencies that you have to hunt for in the depths of documentation
Not sure if related, but I know Germany has gone through several cycles of requiring government machines to use FOSS / Linux whenever possible, open formats, etc. It's possible this could be government use or simply a cultural thing since Linux and FOSS is so widespread.
We use Skype to talk to our parents every week.
As for Chrome, GeForce Now requires it and doesn't want to play in other browsers on Linux.
No user agent hackery to fix it?
Not even brave or vivaldi?
@@lussor1 Didn't work in Brave for me. Haven't tried Vivaldi, and haven't tried to fool it.
regarding germany, i think it's due to our extensive hacker history, with the CCC playing a big role too. there's also a strong sense of privacy in the population compared to most neighbours and distrust in both foreign and domestic institutions, companies, and services, e.g. big tech US (microsoft). so we have lots of hackers, selfhosters, linux users, freedom of information activists etc.
11:40 Yay! Brazil mentioned!
big launcher devs: "We can't figure out Linux packaging."
Average Linux user: _Look at Flathub, if you need to package something with Wine, do it here and it takes the pain in the _*_***_*_ off of your back._
This is a rare moment that someone actually used the term shades correctly 🎉
I’m glad that Flatpak is succeeding, and really hope this makes Canonical look into how they can make snap much better, like making it easier to use Snaps with non-standard home profile setup (i.e. NFS) or put the snap installs in an NFS share.
I personally use Snaps and Flatpaks, so I don’t intend on taking sides. I hope that they can use each other to get better.
Brought back some memories to see those old versions of Flatpak original site / Flathub
i think that spike is due to the steam deck. its been a juggernaut for linux gaming and use in general.
Brazil 🇧🇷 mentioned 🇧🇷
I'm surprised Brave is now official since all chromium browsers have to use a hack maintained by a single developer to disable the Chromium sandbox, that was the reason none of them were official before. Maybe Flathub has changed their stance on devs being able /or allowed) to disable the Flatpak sandbox? I need to look this up now. :)
I know there was a lot of discussion between the different browsers (Vivaldi, Brave +++) about this maybe 1 year ago... being dependent on a kludge solution made by a single guy seems like a kinda bad idea.
I did some investigation and Brave simply ships without namespace sandbox on flatpak 🤡
Yeah
Damn someone messed up real bad Brodie’s hair
Brazil mentioned!
You got the list of highest downloads wrong. The UK has 93M downloads, slightly less than Russia. So making the 5th, not Canada.
RIP Canada
Flathub usage in North Korea is most likely a government worker. Perhaps a develop for their RedStar OS, which uses Linux as its base.
One can reason that it's not a regular user there, based on the fact that internet there is highly filtered; many common websites blocked/banned.
A funny short would be a Linux parody (or rip on) that guy who has his characters (Tony, Sonny, and Terry) sit around a table and usually talk about food but it's Tony using Flatpak, Sonny using Snap, and Terry using Appimage.
About Linux use in Germany..
I don't have concrete information but rather a feeling..
As a German using Linux I think many people are using Linux here because there are many tech interested people here. But since in terms of digitalization Germany is pretty bad and there is little corporate and official support. Thus people interested in tech are more likely to choose Linux and open source since it's in many cases competitive or better than the corporate alternative here.
Technical the total downloads are also including runtimes/addons etc.
I thought I included the distinction but I must have cut that
all those emulators are pulled from flathub with the emudeck script (originally designed) for steam deck, which is probably what puts primehack up that far.
Would be cool if Flathub showed how many users an app actually has rather than the total number of times it was installed or updated. I recently uploaded an app to the Snap Store and they give aggregate information about the app: the amount of people who have it installed (only counts people who've used their computer within the last week and have updates enabled), distro and versions, cpu architecture, and which channel they use (stable/beta).
This is pretty difficult to figure out without telemetry that would make most Linux users mad.
That would require some degree of telemetry to know if someone is actually using it (even if that info is anonymized). Installs/updates works completely without it because the information is coming for the server providing the package and not the client using it.
@@mckendrick7672 I wish Linux users could be more reasonable. It’s funny to me that people are fine running random pieces of code packaged by random people, but as soon as telemetry, however basic, comes up people bring out the pitch forks.
@@mckendrick7672 Hence why Canonical does it because they're basically the Microsoft of Linux, and flathub doesn't.
@@that_leaflet Tbh, I dislike both things
let's goooo Brazil mention!!!
Brazil is bigger than the US (Alaska discounted), and bigger than Western Europe. Better comparison, in terms of population.
Australia is mostly a big inhospitable desert. The population is roughly the same as the biggest Brazilian city.
And yes, Brazilians are all over the internet. Probably more than most people would expect.
While I personally prefer the old design of the webstore, I can't deny that the new store is a significant upgrade in functionality and appeal.
As I use Discover anyway, I don't mind and the new design and it's great to link to in conversation.
I liken Flathub and the development of the Linux Desktop to (early) Android, which is cool to see as it's great for the non tech oriented folk.
Perhaps Wayland can be compared to Android 5 and up, X11 to 4.2 and below, though it seems to resemble the early days more for now.
I agree with your thoughts about it becoming more and more common as an official outlet for developers. Even if they need to have several versions to work with different distros. As systems become faster and faster, and security becomes more something individual users think about, Flathub and FlatPaks represent a very good solution. Particularly for more tech oriented users who may run multiple distros on different machines, but want a fairly common set of apps. Having to fiddle around figuring it all out or hoping your software manager has what you want is a lot less handy than knowing what you need is available in a Flatpak and getting on with life.
I have the perverse urge to make a Flatpak of snapd so other distros can use it. 😈
I use Pop OS, and in my experience, Flatpaks have often been out of date compared to a .deb package available in the PopShop.
Greetings from a Flathub contributor from Russia =)
Love to see it Per Capita instead of total number
Flatpak is so close to being perfect. So so close. Linux packaging is almost solved and it's making me so happy.
The thing in Germany is that they promote the use of Linux from the gobernment and public institutions themselves, and some locations had even ditched windows all along.
Brodie vem pro proximo carnaval, compensa muito.
Brazil mentioned
BRAZIL MENTIONED
If we are all going to use a third party central repo with apps uploaded by random anonymous people, this is going to become a prime target for attacks.
They better make sure there is a thorough check of the sources for exploits. I’d feel a lot more comfortable if it was only possible to upload sources and flathub does the code check and compiling.
It seems to me that flathub compiles programs.
Also because otherwise the declarations of privileges used by the programs would not be worth the paper they are written on.
@@giusdb the pixels they are displayed on
@@giusdb aren’t there proprietary apps on Flathub too?
@@Batwam0It's an ambiguous question.
I translate it to, there are binary-only programs in flathub.
From what I've read, yes, but these are exceptions made for reliable suppliers of programs of a certain importance.
I am slowly warming to the idea of flatpaks. They are 100x better than snaps, and more convenient than debs in some cases. My biggest problem right now is permissions. Had an app last week that i could not get it to load anything from my /data partition. Was a frustrating experience
have you tried flatseal? To set the permissions should be easy with that tool
Some of those download spikes are likely when Fedora switched to Flatpak out of the box. Every release after that point would trigger lots of downloads.
Brazil Mentioned! ❤ 🇧🇷
you been very good help in giving tools away in helping the government to combat piracy in gaming market...this gonna be very useful now with info you post on youtube
In my experience so far, some flatpaks work and some don't. It feels like there is still a lot of polishing to do, especially in cases where the program has to access stuff outside the flatpak sandbox.
the only app i use flatpak for is obs studio
the tyman package is broken because the cef is apparently straight up not there
I like flatpacks. I got a steamdeck and it just works. Use the steamdeck as a laptop while travelling with a wireless keyboard, and I like how I didn't have to think about or learn about or study flatpacks. Just downladed, installed, worked.
Remember Red Star OS is a linux distro. I mean idk what it has in the way of flatpak support but it's not crazy to think there might be a version for the more trusted elites in NK that does allow it.
I believe for Flatpak the good way to go would be to take the best from Snap and Appimage. So that we get a universal packaging format that works both with CLI, ideal for IoT and portable, and open-source on the backend. If this ever happens, Flatpak will be my ultimate choice. Right now I am using Debian with both Snaps and Flatpaks (choosing the official apps from both).
2 billion downloads , that's up there with 'commercial' ' normie' sites. Looks like microsoft should start worrying and reconsider how it's treating it's customers. Viva La Revolutionale...
La revolución
Canada: "in fifth place"
In the meanwhile: UK and France : "Are we a joke to you?"
Did I count wrong? lol
SUSE and OpenSuse are in Germany. They are huge and it’s installed all over the place.
I absolutely love flatpaks. I use them exclusively for most of my packages. i only have a few native packages as well as the system packages. I've distro hopped so many times to find the right distro for me, and I settled on bazzite as my gaming distro and I don't regret choosing bazzite as my gaming os.
Germans always had a thing for Datenschutz
11:11 And at 5th place "Canada"
Uk, France and Spain be like: 🤨
(Canada: 65.000.000, Uk: 93.000.000, France: 86.000.000, Spain: 72.000.000)
10:23 The Steam Deck probably does account for quite a bit of the increase in flathub use, because almost all of the non-steam packages on that operating system are done with flatpaks, including stuff that is shipped with the device.
Also, around the same time, there was a lot of push on immutable distributions and on NixOS, both which can make heavy use of Flatpak packages.
All major cloud providers have a regional datacenter in Germany. If your client's company is from Europe then the closest / fastest cluster may just be one from Germany.
With all being said, I know the state companies there use / used various open source distros, but every private company that I worked for from Germany, forbode me to use Linux on my machine, even though their servers were mostly Linux based.
Most of my issues with flatpak have todo with sandbox permissions and having to manually modify them. or the sandbox just out right not providing permissions for application functionality. E.g. Discord not being able to detect running games. (think this uses IPC) which I use to let my friends know when i'm playing minecraft.
Edit: theres also the issue of having to repeatedly log out and in of gnome to get flakpak to not run in background, after a fresh reboot
Ai image upscaling apps available only on Flathub, like Upscaler & Upscayl
This change wouldn't be so bad if developers could be bothered to configure their permissions correctly and tools like flat seal that are designed to fix those issues actually fucking worked.
The German Flatpak numbers might be so high because most schools and universities here use Linux (usually Ubuntu) for their computers.
Lately, even the The administrations of some federal states are switching to Linux for their office machines.
Brazil mentioned!
im from canada
Why Chrome downloaded more than Firefox:
- It's easier to install an application with native package format from distro's official repos than installing flatpak.
- It's easier to install flatpak than adding a third party deb or rpm or whatever repo to your system an installing from there.
- It's the easiest not to install the application at all. And since Firefox is pre installed for most distros we can use it without installing.
I feel like Google Chrome is at the top because lots of people use Linux for their workstations/notebooks for their job, many of which are organizations that are g-suite integrated so they need to be able to login often via SSO which is just easier through the baked-in support on G-Chrome. As far as im aware, the Chromium browser wont let you sign in and sync your account like G-Chrome does. Thats the case for me atleast.
It needs to grow way more. Go Flatpak.
The one nitpick I have with flatpaks is that they are usually MASSIVE compared to distro packages because of the bundled libraries thing
the first spike is around when gnome started going flatpack first i think. you might chart fedora releases on the graph but it's too narrow to see with the eyes.
One glaring problem of Flatpak: Consumes huge disk space
I installed flatpack on my Fedora system. A few apps were good but the rest were like those CD's in the late 90s that said 1000 games and most of them were buggy old and bad knock off versions of clone of a good game. Rather than "Duck Hunt" there is "Mallard search"
To me those old knock-off games are part of the appeal though.
For 'proper' games I'll use Steam, maybe GOG or Itch if unavailable on Steam.
But these quirky clone games have a Flash games kind of low-barrier appeal.
Making Linux as a whole quite a wonderful system for children to get their bearings on, like how Android worked for me.
Assuming reasonable parental checking of course, though the store is pretty clean.
Wow flatpack is only from 2017.
If it's not on my native distro my first choice is to check the flatpack, if it's not there I usually consider using a different software before looking at some where else
I use AUR btw
That map needs to have a toggle to show downloads-per-capita instead of absolute numbers. It would be more indicative of actual usage proportions.