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in india almost all gov school and colleges use ubtunu or boss os

FlatPak wins, because end-users don't need to boil brains with command line (and unexpected errors) anymore 🎉🎉🎉

Appimages are better

Rare footage of linux user touching grass

there's 4 million installs from discord and they STILL do not resolve screen sharing problems on linux??!

Here in Germany, Linux is relatively popular. Sure, most people still stick with Windows and gamers are about as stubborn as Devuan hardliners but there's SUSE, Knoppix, the Linux Tage event and of course the Chaos Communication Congress among many other places where Linux use obviously is very high. Keep in mind, Germany has always been into computers even if the rest of the world goes videogame consoles and phones. As for Flatpak, I love to use it since I do no longer need to worry about what distro I install as all of them end up having the same software versions. Here at home I am running openSUSE (speaking of German products, huh?) but my workstation in the company runs Mint Debian and while both have different base packages, the user software I use on a day to day basis is equal unless I mark a package to keep its version. To me this has been one of the biggest Linux adoption issues in the past and Flatpak/Flathub fixed that for the most part.

Flatpak always downloads all kinds of nvidia drivers, never deletes them, takes up gigabytes of space. Ive stopped using it. Everything's on the AUR

Not just SteamDeck but EOL of win 7 extended support?

all those emulators are pulled from flathub with the emudeck script (originally designed) for steam deck, which is probably what puts primehack up that far.

libfuse2 is installed in mi 20.04 Linux but the AppImage (Ultimaker Cura Slicer)refuses to run.

I can't wait until the day when Flatpaks are the only thing you use on a GNU/Linux system outside of the actual system files. Snap packages and appimages can go and die for all I care. It's been fun watching Linux grow since the days when I started using it, but back then Slackware was my flavour, now it's basically Arco Linux, Fedora or POP!_OS. Mostly because the logos look good. Bazzite is becoming interesting, but it was really buggy last I tried it on my computer so it's probably going to take a while till I test it again.

I think Flatpaks are fine but Flathub is frustratingly misleading. While Flathub works great as a storefront style distribution platform, the way they "verify" apps is (I suspect intentionally) misleading users into believing apps are being packaged by the original maintainers. Discord and Obsidian are great examples (and are, unfortunately, erroneously highlighted in this video). These apps list and even link to the Obsidian and Discord official sites when you click on their little verified blue check mark, but neither of these Flatpaks are maintained directly by the original businesses. I think it's great that the community is coming together to package more apps as Flatpaks so that people have access to them, but they should absolutely not be getting marked "verified" as that implies the app is coming from the source. The Flathub should make it extremely obvious when the community is maintaining a Flatpak wraper for an app and link directly to that repo. Personally, I do not trust apps that are packaged by anyone other than the original maintainer or business. As Flathub continues to grow and find success (and I hope it does!) this is going to be an issue that the Flathub maintainers will need to address because bad actors can and will use this loose verification system as a way to convey false credibility.

Funny how I recently got rid of flatpak from my system having been daily driving NixOS for more than a year now. Flatpaks are cool and all but the startup times are blasphemous.

flatpaks prevent adding other repos which I like

Im pretty sure north korea likely installed one app 316 times. Its likely google chrome or some other browser. North korea uses linux on their pcs which is known fact. Edit: I was right. Taken from wikipedia: Internet access is not generally available in North Korea. Only some high-level officials are allowed to access the global internet. In most universities, a small number of strictly monitored computers are provided. Other citizens may get access only to the country's national intranet, called Kwangmyong.

Flatpak is definitely the best thing to happen to linux since steam's proton.

i guess im the odd one out.. i removed flatpak from all of my linux distros and i dont run snap.. i either get my software from the AUR, compile from source, or look for a .deb file if im in my debian install..

Liking FFXIV 7.0 Brodie? Took me a couple days to get it running great... Using a flatpak

Just use Linux for th silly CZcams stuff and windows for the actual things that matter.

Proprietary applications have nothing to do with it, flatpak has great limitations and complications. It takes a lot of effort and changes to make a flatpak and publish it on flathub. The applications that have the least difficulties are communication ones, those that have the most difficulties are system ones. Flatpak and wayland have various similarities, they have advantages, but they unload the weight of their choices and impositions on others.

I just looked up the comments about Germany being strong with Flathub use and FOSS in general. Being German myself. I don't think it's our country adopting Linux in the government. No, it's the mentality of many people here. We have big FOSS and hacker communities, many tinkerers, lots of people caring about privacy, and let's not forget the SuSE people. And 1/3 of the country has been living in a surveillance state, so people are sensible to what's at stake.

Now to shut up the elitist purists.. you know the ones.. the ones that complain about Flatpaks, Appimages and non native games and most of all they b*tch and moan about systemd.. if we could just stuff them into a closet we may actually be able to get even more market share growth

nice vid. gg

I like flatpacks. I got a steamdeck and it just works. Use the steamdeck as a laptop while travelling with a wireless keyboard, and I like how I didn't have to think about or learn about or study flatpacks. Just downladed, installed, worked.

Brazil 🇧🇷 mentioned 🇧🇷

SUSE and OpenSuse are in Germany. They are huge and it’s installed all over the place.

Some of those download spikes are likely when Fedora switched to Flatpak out of the box. Every release after that point would trigger lots of downloads.

the only app i use flatpak for is obs studio the tyman package is broken because the cef is apparently straight up not there

Can I ship my app on Linux and then not get complaints that their system uses a decades old glibc and won’t start it? I ship as AppImage and I need to have an ancient Linux system to build it to make sure it runs on most of the customer systems.

I use Pop OS, and in my experience, Flatpaks have often been out of date compared to a .deb package available in the PopShop.

I have to say I hate flatpak and snaps. I understand what it does for stability and maintenance of a working system, but it's so much bloat and I can only assume it makes tying apps into the desktop in a cohesive manner very annoying.

Flatpaks & flathub solve one of the bigger issues holding back Linux adoption which is having a developer friendly way to distribute and install third party software. Having to go through through a distro's repository means you have to time the release of your software with the release cycle of a distro so that it can be included in the repo, and you're not in charge of how that package is updated. I've seen companies distribute their software as tar archives, .deb's and .rpm's, but that's clunky, and it doesn't provide a way of providing updates without asking the user to follow a tutorial, and that's not end user friendly.

Just as a note, flatpak sandbox isn't a good sandbox from a security standpoint. It's more of a "works almost everywhere"-box than a sandbox.

good, get rid of old crap

Linux wasn't supposed to be like that. Flatpak and such contradicts Unix philosophy and just brings more shit and bloat to distributions that are already drowning in shit. maybe it's time to throw away all these crutches for incompetent programmers, and make it simple again?

BRAZIL MENTIONED

Hmm. I tend to avoid Flatpak like the plague because of the sandboxing. I'm a programmer and it is a PITA to get some devtools working on my machine with Flatpaks. So I just use the AUR for everything.

If we are all going to use a third party central repo with apps uploaded by random anonymous people, this is going to become a prime target for attacks. They better make sure there is a thorough check of the sources for exploits. I’d feel a lot more comfortable if it was only possible to upload sources and flathub does the code check and compiling.

i think that spike is due to the steam deck. its been a juggernaut for linux gaming and use in general.

When you compare the population the Linux community in Germany is even bigger... USA: 333 mio Germany: 83 mio Brazil: 215 mio Russia: 144 mio Australia: 26 mio

How is Flatpak/Flathub any different than what we had before? .deb and .rpm are also "universal" standards in that any distro could use them if they wanted to and are served from repositories. Since most flatpaks don't actually use the sandbox, it's just a fancy AUR except with about 1000% less warnings about how dangerous user-uploaded applications are.

Most of my issues with flatpak have todo with sandbox permissions and having to manually modify them. or the sandbox just out right not providing permissions for application functionality. E.g. Discord not being able to detect running games. (think this uses IPC) which I use to let my friends know when i'm playing minecraft. Edit: theres also the issue of having to repeatedly log out and in of gnome to get flakpak to not run in background, after a fresh reboot

I'm actually surprised FireFox is so high given the fact that it always comes bundled with the distro.

In may 2024 a new model of capture cards are available in Amazon that support Linux and USB c.

In may 2024 a new model of capture cards are available in Amazon that support Linux and USB c.

Why Chrome isn't verified? Google doesn't have the resources to do that or don't want to be there?

About Germany, on 2003 they starting a migration from Windows to Linux on 14k goverment PC's, eventually, companies and certain people might be interested on that, there's an arstechnica about it

In my experience, flatpak crap has a hard time interacting with things like git credentials saved in my home directory. Call me a boomer if you must, but I hate flatpack and think that it is an awful idea. Just like actual containers, flatpack is a bloated mess and a bad idea. OSS software became irretrievably bad when trendy clowns bought into systemd and node.js. Like systemd and node.js, there is no reason to ever use it and I have banned it from all my systems. I wish I could add a flatpak exception to the GPL to keep my crap off that nonsense.

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The number of downloads can easily reflect just how many people have little clue on, how to download stuff, how to find it once they do, how to install, how to find out what may have gone wrong, including those who download it a bunch of times expecting different results (matching the definition of insanity), how to maintain a system, and how to be a virus/malware/scammer hunter for using freaking Windows in the first place! It's been at least 5 years since I "Downloaded" and installed Firefox, but never once from an "App Store", only from repos, and I would hope most Linux users are wise enough to not install anything from anywhere other than an official Repo unless you have good reason to trust the source, nor reinstall something or even worse everything the minute something goes wrong and hope that works, but to look for the fix, which may be way less work. I have found with Arch/KDE Plasma for it being a rolling release, that some bugs get fixed before I can even get around to investigating what's wrong, and in that regard Arch with Plasma has been way more stable, and longer than any other OS or Linux distro/DE combo I have used, and on that note I have been on Arch/Plasma for over a decade, no need to distro or DE hop, because it's always just trading bugs with different bugs, lack of features with lack of different features, annoyances with annoyances... and so on, and Linux is flexible and modular enough there's no such thing as the perfect DE/Distro combo, and it's what you add to and do with it to where it takes shape. As for Germany where I lived a few decades, people are more private, or really just less talkative and revealing, but also have a much more refined BS filter, and can sniff out a bad trade or deal easier, and finally: Schools in Germany teach you how to think, not what to think, and being in the US where the public schools are only slightly less good in that regard I can say this about the US specifically: With many private schools and home schooling thanks to conservatives, large amounts of our population don't learn how to think, but what to think, and it's usually complete useless garbage that doesn't comport with any known reality! Because of that, In the last few decades the US has gone from one of the best educated to one of the least educated population! 80% of "Our great scientists" are imports given large grants to come here... It's even worse though, because now the religious zealots "White christian nationalists" specifically are trying real hard to make biblical teaching mandatory and as scientific fact, and so trying their best to undermine science education, as if religion even can be valid, and science cannot, when the latter evolved from the former never working!