Meta OCD - Obsessing About Obsessing | "Do I Really Have OCD?"
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Meta OCD can come in different forms. Meta OCD goes outside of your feared topic or theme and makes you obsess about obsessing. Wondering when it's going to happen again. Wondering if you'll ever get out of the thoughts. Problem-solving ways to make sure you do not obsess. It can make you obsess about if you actually have OCD or not. Have you ever questioned this in yourself?
Let's take a look at what meta OCD looks like and what the treatment is.
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Have you ever questioned if you have OCD? 🤪 Let me know in the comments!
I tend obsess over the anxious sensation in my chest. I get anxiety about having anxiety.... Sucks
@@zephthisatrip I'm so sorry. That sounds so painful and frustrating. That's a good example of something to try to take value away from. Almost pretending that the sensation has no value the best you can.
Hey , i now have real event ocd .
Actually when i was kid in 2-3 std i used to sleep on stomach touching floor side and (( i dont even know about sex or not even attracted towards girls . Dont know any bad things but when i was in 2-3 std as i told i was used to sleep on stomach touching floor means i was feeling something joy while rubbing penis on floor . But that time i also.used.to put my hand on mom's stomach i feel joy but i dont know what i was feeling but this now bothers me causing harm thoughts and thoughts about being naked on my youtube channel disrespect yourself kill urself and all pls pls help me some
I m now in12th
Yes. I have OCD about whether or not I have OCD. I question whether I actually have it or not, even though I've been diagnosed with it. Thanks for this video. I didn't know other people felt this way.
My undiagnosed meta OCD brought me here at 2:00 am for the second time. I can’t stop watching videos about OCD
I feel you. Pretty sure I’ll just do research on ocd all night.
yup. i go into ocd communities or just tags just to make sure I really do have it, and even if people say that yes I DO have it it still doesn't work and i do it again, it's exhausting
@@brutus3631 same here. I did dms to him on last month but till now he didn't responded me😔
That’s the thing about ocd. This kind of videos are great explanations but also triggers for ocd. Watching one is enough.
3am for me
so you're telling me me obsessing over the fact that lately I didn't have any ocd thoughts or behaviors and it must mean that I don't have ocd and I was faking it all along, and sometimes forcing myself to do compulsions just to feel legitimate about having ocd,,,,,,,, is ocd ? makes sense lol thank you
This, I do this so much. Hope you're doing well.
Yes! This is what concerns me
yeees, it feels like ive never even had it since i dont remember many of the themes i had in the past, i feel scared
Ohh god I have this with So ocd it's so frustrating like a mine field
Are you okay now?
This topic is very common for people who have recovered from previous topics ... OCD leaves a type of PTSD that does NOT want for stuff to ever happen again.
Bang on my friend ! Going thru that right now. Last year diagnosis depression, absolute recovery for 3 months and one random sensation of dammmm am I having those thoughts again ! That is taking me to the damn hole again that I don't want to go in !! Do you relate
I sometimes spend a good part of the day in fear that awful thoughts I had in previous times are going to suddenly pop back into my head. I know it sounds ridiculous.
Oh no. I'm so sorry. Our brains get nervous or scared about Traumatic things in the past. I hope you can feel some relief from this.
OCD and Anxiety I’m real glad I found your channel.
Im like you its horrible for real
Like scrolling through all these videos and obsessing over how many types of OCD I have?? LoL
Shit I'm not the only one!
Bruh at some point in my life I think I've gone through about 4 to 5 different types since I was a kid. The negative thought patterns, reactions and cycles latch onto different topics like pocd, rocd, hocd (currently suffering from) and I have had some meta OCD. It's not about the content of the obsessions; it's about breaking the negative OCD cycle in da brain, though I can't say how many times I've doubted I have OCD :') pain
I’m 16 and was diagnosed last year. I fear I might be faking OCD even tho I was diagnosed, I sometimes think the therapist didn’t recognize it properly and I’m actually just creating all this in my head to convince myself, to have an excuse to think bad things and blame it on OCD. When I make progress in my compulsions through exposure therapy my thoughts can go in a dark place , things like “See how you don’t need the compulsions?” even tho progress should be a good thing. Is really hard because the guilt of my intrusive thoughts builds up with the guilt of faking it and the intrusive thoughts being actual real thoughts about things I would like to do. I get overwhelmed pretty easily these days :/
I feel the same way
Im currently in the waiting stage of getting a diagnosis and I just cant stop thinking about it. I get the thought "But what if you don't really have OCD, what if youre lying to yourself?" which leads to checking every thought, is this an obsession? Was this an intrusive thought? Is this a rumination?
When I realize Im just getting stuck in the meta cycle I'll start thinking about how its a chameleon, which will lead to thinking about how to detect the chameleon, which in turn goes back to checking for obsessions and compulsions. Its a self-referrential loop.
And anytime Im doing just fine I'll think, "Why is it so peaceful? Am I even OCD if Im not constantly stuck in the loop?" which will lead to once again getting stuck in the loop. Its a pain.
Lastly if I distract myself by watching something, reading something, taking my mind of it the thought will appear "But if youre avoiding it youre a bad person cause youre not dealing with your problems. What if this is just another expression of it? Avoiding it." And I am once again stuck in the loop until I exhaust myself.
Has your situation improved and if so do you have any advice?
It’s been 2 years since you posted this comment and this is exactly how I feel currently, has this situation gotten better for you?
@@ava-rz1hr I am very grateful to say that yes my situation has drastically improved. I still occasionally get stuck in the cycle but I can usually get a grip on it within a few days. Honestly the things that have helped the most have been getting on anxiety medication, and seeing a therapist. Learning how the cycle develops, how to really recognise it for what it is has helped pull myself out of it. I dont think it's something I'll ever completely get rid off and I will always need to be mindful of my inner processes but I can focus on other things now and move on with life. I hope you find what works for you. It's a very difficult thing to deal with but looking back on it you'll realise you'll have dealt with a level of self questioning and introspection that most people dont even get close to and it'll make you a wiser person.
I see my obsessing over the mental health in general. I keep on thinking I have a different health disorder every other day. I can’t stop looking up stuff, watching videos, making myself think I have these symptoms
Me too
Same!
I once had a teacher ask if a class member could “OCD-ify” the cupboard because it was messy
I question if I have OCD all the time... and I'd never heard of it called META ocd. Thank you for making this video!
I was diagnosed 2 weeks ago with OCD and I just started ERP therapy and I’m happy I stumbled across your channel. There’s been so much to take in and you’ve helped me a lot through your videos.
I'm sorry you have this diagnosis! I'm glad the videos have helped! I'll continue making more! 🤪
I had never heard this phrase before, but I think I'm kind of at this point now. I primarily identify with HOCD, have some elements of ROCD sprinkle in (find those 2 tie together pretty easily). I still get the thoughts and sensations and some anxiety on those themes, but the bite isn't as bad as in the beginning. My biggest hurdle now is the mental compulsions and ruminating. And I definitely am "hung up" on if I'm ruminating or not - if I'm "checking" or not (i.e. did I get a thought, did I get a feeling, how do I feel?). This is hard to work with because it's so automatic - like a mental addiction
Thanks for sharing! You're in a spot a lot of people get to. When someone tries really hard to not engage with their OCD they tend to start questioning if they are ruminating or doing compulsions. OCD can switch and be very tricky at times. 👍🏻
Hi, I suggest you check "Michael J Greenberg" website. He is also an OCD specialist and he wrote very useful articles on ruminations and on "ruminating about ruminating". I'm sure it could help. Best
He’s a good guy!
@@cardigan_b Thank you!
@@stankadelfia you are welcome, he has plenty of very useful and bright articles with an approach I never encountered before. Good luck! 💪🏻
I'm pretty sure this may be how I found your channel
🤪
Same
I never realized these behaviors were actually hurting me! They started when I was 11-12, now I’m 20 and ready to drop out of school because I can’t focus due to these thoughts. Now I’ve been going to therapy for a few weeks. It’s all thanks to your channel. 💖 Bless you!!
I’m glad you are at therapy, hope you are doing better =)
The funniest part (in my opinion as a sufferer of this) is that this develops into "meta meta OCD" or obsessing about obsessing about obsessing.
Please my head hurts
@@mack-attack-420 exactly
Lol true!
Ohh my gosh I've been watching videos on ocd for so long wondering the exact same stuff you went over in this video. This really helped clear up a lot, thanks!
That video made my OCD make so much more sense. I have negative immoral intrusive thoughts come up that my brain won't let go of. I find myself getting stuck in a rut that I have a hard time getting out of if it gets bad. The more. I notice it the more I do fear and obsess. I'm gonna work on tips you said in the video.
Nathan, thank you. Thank you for your specialization. There are topics like this that I need to hear to successfully live with my OCD:)
Having intrusive thoughts as an ocd type is so frustrating sometimes. You need to stop ruminating and engaging in compulsive ways. But if the compulsions are our way to feel like we are in control and actually closely to our real selves it's just an oxymoron, because there just no point. For me the acceptance of the absurdity is too hard to accept it.Keep it on moving on! I want to be who the person who I really am, I don't doubt about that. I am a highly responsible person and this whole situation makes me sad. Can u make a video how to be in peace without rumination and compulsions?How can we stop cognitive distortions in everyday life?
This video is amazing! I loved the way you explained! Thanks!
This is just on point! This happens to me a lot and I know that this is obsessive and really resist the urge to reassure myself that I do indeed have ROCD by googling or I dunno checking to see if it's something else like just relationship anxiety and not really OCD. This is even harder for us people that doesn't have a therapist near them to get a diagnosis from someone that really knows about OCD so it's just a constant thing in our heads I believe.
Amazing and relieved to see that this exists, thank a lot!
Thanks for your thoughts! I hope you can find some relief!
this has helped a lot. i haven’t been diagnosed, and i won’t self diagnose, but i’ve been denied by my family to get tested and this video practically describes how i feel. i have lots of the symptoms, and compulsions listed on “professional health websites” but i’ve been having anxiety attacks because i fear that i’m lying to myself about me maybe having it. the anxiety is worsening and affected my mental health and school life, so i hope i can get tested ASAP. i’ve been having compulsions (specifically with numbers) ever since i was in grade five and they seemed normal to me, especially as the number created and paired with intrusive thoughts. i’m doubting that i have ocd, calling my self over dramatic and stuff.
My mind literally convinces me I don't have OCD. I have memory issues and I forget that I've even realised i have OCD
Hi Nathan! You had once suggested “ Do not seek answers “. That’s very powerful. For more than a decade, I didnt even know that I had OCD. So I would do rumination and compulsions all the time. After coming to know, I have still been trying to ‘solve’ everything. Like trying to plan a strategy(which never worked btw). When you mentioned meta OCD, I could relate to it and I feel like your original suggestion was great.
Thank you so much my friend. I’m so happy to hear that you are learning some things that help you. I wish you the best.
Really relate to this. I constantly think about the next "solution" and the solution lasts for a few days about my topic and then i start thinking about another "solution", at first to solve the topic and then to solve the OCD.
@@WowFan991 I have come to see that there’s no problem in the first place. Just a reluctance to experience uncomfortable sensations. When we let them be without overly reacting, we can teach our brains that everything is fine
@@SKRithvik and does that work for you
@@Ashish-nd3xj There's things outside of our control about which we speculate: like the past or other people's actions etc., most of these concerns arise due to strong preferences (desires/fears) we have about external events. In the process, we neglect doing things that are within our control. It's painful to shift focus this way and it takes a lot of time, but it's worth it.
This feels like a really big part of the OCD experience and journey. For me it manifests hugely as a ‘am I doing this right’ thing about OCD techniques and principles…for example I am currently obsessively trying to work out what a particular mantra or piece of wisdom means…it is ALL obsession and compulsion and fed entirely by the fear of not being able to get out of this mental experience. Thanks for acknowledging this part of it!
This described my mental state very well. I figured I had OCD of some type, but I could never relate to the general ocd topics or obsessions that people have, as I tend to obsess about my thoughts, obsessions, and anxiety like you described.
your channel is so interesting! So much content that I cant find anywhere else thank you!
Thanks for the kind words! This is the reason I made the channel. I couldn't find very many videos on real OCD and anxiety topics. 👍🏻
Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your videos so much. I can tell you're such a compassionate person and really care about working with OCD patients! I definitely have struggled with meta-OCD while trying to resist compulsions and I doubt my diagnosis... a lot. Some days more than others. As I continue with ERP I am starting to see just how much OCD lies and how much it really does attack your values. Keep up the great work!!
You're too kind! Thanks for your words! I hope you can continue to do well! 👍🏻
I was disappointed when my searched term “is my thinking actually compulsing” didn’t get any results, so I think I tried “pure o meta” and found this.
My understanding is that no therapist would ever actually answer this question because they’re trying to get clients to get used to doubt.
Brains are jerks.
Helpful video. It will not be easy to recognize everything all the time. I guess meta OCD starts this way? The feeling of having to know what is and what is not OCD. So you can respond accordingly. It sounds like a paradox. Some things you want to investigate in further. It’s useful to. So you actually have to ask yourself the question if it’s a product of OCD or not. Would love your response. I guess you could just ask yourself if you want to really investigate further. But this costs a lot of effort because you’ll be weighing the pro’s and cons and than are obsessing about that...
Wow this video is amazing, i feel as if a lot of people don’t cover this topic which they should because people struggle with this. Quite impressed that you were able to figure this, hence that u don’t have this meta OCd
Thanks for the kind words!
@@ocdandanxiety Your welcome, and i was always trying to “Solve” So like when that thought of OCD or obessing would show up it was never a intrusive thought it was mainly about me obsessing about obsessing and at some points i’d find my self uncertain and start to doubt whether or not if it was a certain thought or if it was the thought of obsessing, kind of hard to explain, so then it’d start my solving compulsion trying to see what kind of thought i was having, because it would just show up it was never like an intrusive thought, mainly the feeling of OCD or that my OCD is still there. Ahaha kind of hard to explain like i said. But i’d love to hear your thoughts on this :)
This is my biggest obsession! Thanks so much for putting out content about this. I find my obsessions often centre on being in denial of my true self. Thanks for the video! It’s so helpful 🙏
I just experienced meta ocd now, I was worried about intrusive thoughts anf then stopped, then thought about worrying about them again
Ok so this video describes me a bit too well. Most of my days consist in having obsessions and doing extensive research about them until I find the answer that I want. And lately I’ve been obsessed by the fact that I’m having obsessions and I’ve never seen myself as someone with OCD because I thought I didn’t have compulsions. It seems like I wasn’t understanding what a compulsion really is. Researching for hours at a time to the point that this research is bringing more thoughts that cause me to do more research....skin picking and then obsessing about it..health anxiety...some hoarding....
I feel like I’ve been lying to myself for a long time about having something else. I needed to explain this behaviour in some way that was making me not responsible/incurable. Now I’m freaked out and don’t know what to do.
I have this about all illnesses and injuries as well but it is especially fun when it focuses on OCD itself
I always feel like "fixing" things lately for the less than the past year. I straighten my shoes and now even do that to others, I also "fix" the trash cans to be straight, the recycling bin, the spinning sofa to face the TV and more. I also feel like lately I get sad when it gets dark because I feel like everything's going to end soon and sometimes its even worrying about that at 12:00 pm. I also have bad thoughts, I over think and I look all around me sometimes even when I know nothing is there. But if I know I have something like a mental disorder whether its anxiety, ocd, or anything I feel like I'll feel worse. What should I do. Some triggers for anxiety that last for weeks is seeing or reading information of my fears and I get curious and watch/see/read about them or I get questions. What should I do. I also always feel the need to be reassured. Like yesterday we went to the snow for the first time we were heading home and I felt the need to insist to go back. At some point I didnt want to go back but I still wanted to insist. I dont have a cleanliness thing though. Please help me
So hearing about meta ocd is causing me to obsess about if I have meta ocd or if I'm lying about meta OCD to have meta ocd so I can have OCD anyone??
I am actually suffering from this Right Now
Hello!, I was coming around since well, I have like 10 days of bad bad anxiety and panic attacks because I have a episode of despersonalization and desrealization. And I was so awful that my mind know obsessed with that I'm living eternally in a dream, that nothing around me exists is all dream. Even if a sense or anything I feel terrified and idk how to get rid of of that thought. That it's just that, a thought but my mind keeps telling me that I'm wrong... Sorry I know that this video it's not for that but I just wanted to say it to you since in all these months you're my hero
Thanks for sharing! This can be so difficult to go through. I hope that you can find someone to help you through what you're experiencing! 👍🏻
Thanks for this video ☺️
My pleasure 😊
I feel like I have that too. Like I've spend hours and hours watch videos on OCD and podcasts about it trying to problem solve it like it has become my main concern right now in my life. So I guess its OCD about OCD.
I do obsess over my behavior around people, and when I'm by myself, I obsess over if I will be obsessive about my behavior because I don't like the anxiety that the obsession of my behavior brings. I was confused about where the OCD was, but now that I know meta OCD is a thing, I can adapt ERP for these situations as well.
This paradox I called out in my recent comment is what I’ve been coming out on every time I dive into this strategy. Please respond I’d really like to solve it. Maybe it’s reassurance seeking but mostly I think I really need it to progress in my therapy. Without a clear path with a light at the end, I would still do the therapy ofcourse but I need to understand it completely to keep following through I think. If I feel it is somehow not entirely working, bc of this paradox. I don’t know what to do! Paradox being, having to know what is OCD and what isn’t to respond accordingly, trap is the automatic response that reviews every single thought. And so not being able to think in any productive way. But we have to review to know. Or intuitively know, but still the doubt Will be there if we can. And we need to accept that doubt? But than still not knowing if we’re doing the therapy correctly. If we respond accordingly to OCD. Accept that doubt too? I think I’m getting somewhere. But would love a response. Sorry for pushing.
Hello Nathan! My form of OCD causes me to obsess about my intelligence; particularly I fear losing it. Because of this, I obsessively avoid certain chemicals that I fear will kill brain cells (e.g. paint, bleach, air freshener, cologne, perfume) and hold my breath whenever they’re nearby and run away from them if they’re within close proximity to me. After I hold my breath, I then compulsively try to think back to how many seconds I held my breath for, because then I worry that I held my breath long enough to kill brain cells.
I also now worry about my intelligence dropping after eating sweet and sugary foods such as ice cream, when I used to never worry about that. Even though I’ve significantly cut sugar out of my diet, whenever I treat myself, I always worry afterwards about whether my decision to treat myself to a sugary treat just made myself get a little bit dumber.
The reason I obsess over my intelligence is because I’m pursuing a career in 3D Modeling and Animation and also want to design video games as a hobby. I fear that if I’m in a situation where I think I killed some brain cells, then I won’t be able to understand the various 3D modeling and video game design techniques and principles I learned over my college years and I will fail in life.
My compulsion is to mentally check and see if I can remember and understand what I learned over my college years. Because of my anxiety spiking in these moments, it’s hard to focus and think clearly back to what I learned, so that makes me feel like either I forgot and will have to relearn or I completely lost my ability to understand what I learned. I then feel hopeless and fall into a mini-depression episode where I’ll just lie in bed and feel like my life is over.
Your videos have helped me to stop checking, because, at least thus far, I have found that when I think to myself, “Maybe I killed some brain cells or maybe I didn’t. Maybe I did lose my intelligence or maybe I didn’t,”, and distract myself with some other thought or activity for a while, after an hour or so passes and my anxiety drops-I can then easily think back to and understand what I learned in college!
Thank you!
Amazing! Way to go putting in the work to feel better! Thanks for sharing!
My ocd form also make me obsessed about intelligence and iq.
I also tend to avoid things that remind of things or the backyard because I thought I saw "something" with a shadow and the sensor like that kept turning on and off (we had a cat that always came to our house and, the thing I thought I saw isn't real)
I love this account
I'm glad you can make me laugh 😂
What makes me feel like I’m lying about it is that fact that I have so many overlapping symptoms of the different subtypes. The thought it there’s no way you can have that many overlapping symptoms, you’re faking it.
You're not alone on that. From what I've learned in my endless researching, doubting yourself is a compulsive way of thinking.
If we take all the overlapping symptoms and find the common thread; they tend to all lead to "uncertainty" - It's easier to work on OCD when you think of it simply as, just learning to tolerate uncertainty. 😃
YOU ARE AMAZING THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
@@ocdandanxiety hey Nathan …..I feel like i am enjoying all my disgusting thoughts ....it is soooo violent ….I hate those thoughts...…but idk i feel like i m enjoying it....and now I doubt myself if I have ocd and feel like i am a monster ….i hate myself ….everyone has good happy life except for me
Newly “diagnosed” and going through this right now (even though I scheduled multiple follow up’s for ERP and bought two workbooks on it).
I have an interesting question can Meta OCD be present while other theme is still your main theme?
Let's say i suffer of ROCD but at the same time there's the Meta OCD and so because I'm afraid I have been ahaving ROCD and sometimes my mind is like What if this is not OCD? What if OCD isn't real and this thoughts are real? Etc etc but my main and the one who still rules is the ROCD but the Meta OCD is like a food for the other one to keep going Is that Possible?
This is the worst form of OCD, or the worst mental illness in general. The meta order never ends. Even if you overcame meta-OCD, you become traumatized by the experience, and you fear that the meta-OCD behaviors are going to surface again, inducing the third order meta-meta-OCD. This just keeps on looping ad infinitum. I've tried to combat different types of OCD for ten years, and this one I never overcome, and I don't see any sensible way to overcome it.
Agreed, any luck with survival with this ?
Its not curable. Just focus on living Life.
This was a years old vid but a 4 month old comment. Do you really believe that meta OCD turns into meta meta OCD and it’s the hardest to stop. I am maybe 6 months into my diagnosis and what he described is the type of OCD that I have. I have researched and researched, gone in the hole over this with talk therapy and psych with meds. It’s what I think about nearly all the time when I should be focusing on something else.
Sometimes when I have intrusive thoughts, and especially if I use ERP instead of compulsions, my mind will make me feel like I might be choosing those thoughts on purpose, or allowing bad things to happen and it's my fault unless I do a compulsion. I'm pretty sure that's meta OCD
Yes its meta ocd. Choosing thoughts in purpose make me angry and frustrated. And when i get frustrated i choose it more on purpose to increase my anger more. 💀 😂
Have you ever heard of misophonia? Or know any good methods for coping with it? Because although it may be linked to OCD it has been shown that exposure and response prevention doesn’t seem to work with it since it induces an anger/disgust response rather than anxiety.
exposure is good but you gotta do it slowly, as a temporary fix i suggest earplugs or noise cancelling headphones
You are angel.
Um so when I was younger about 9-12 years old I had SEVERE emetaphobia and started saying to myselfif I touch this thing this many times I won't get sick or if I do this or think this I won't get sick. I couldn't like colours that I associated with vomit I couldn't say the word vomit it's still a bit hard to say now I couldn't eat sushi I couldn't eat soups or things of the texture of vomit. I couldn't go on sleepovers or even go to someone else's house I couldn't go out to dinner I hated eating out. It was taking over.
But i overcame that fear
I have always had a thing for the number 10 or multiples of 5
Recently I can only have the TV on volumes of multiples of 5 and everything has to be symmetrical, not objects but touch. if I touch one part of my body with one hand have to touch the other side of my body with the other hand. Fingers have to get an even amount of touching. Etc.
But I feel as if I'm FAKING having OCD because I don't have obsessive thoughts at least I didn't think so after watching this video.... I just feel but if I don't do excessive washing hands or things like that and if I don't have obsessive thoughts and I don't have rituals then I mustn't have a OCD.
I really want to know if I do or not please answer me.
Because I thought I was trans last year went to a child gender specialist then was non binary cis gay and everything in between and that turned into nothing so I don't know what to believe anymore I think I'm FAKING it or I think I have it but don't. I have researched literally everything on you tube and Google. Do I have ocd? OCD symtoms. Etc.
Please please answer I need answers
Yep questioning myself all the time. Even with good thoughts.
Yes even positive things effect me.
Could you please make videos about compulsions side? There r lots of videous about thoughts, but I am struggling with compulsions too. I have a thoughts and I am afraid of to breathe not in a right way:/
(ROCD) Once there was a intrusive though while I was laughing with my partner. The content of the thought is gone by now , what was left is that I am obsessing about what if my brain made a connection between laughing and having fear. So I started checking if I can laugh free and joyful with my partner or if I am having fear (or thoughts or or or). And guess what. OCD is doing it's job 👍🏼🤷🏼♀️ I totally know what is happening here. I am obsessing about obsessing while laughing forever. Obsessing about how to stop, obsessing about how to laugh normal, how to not think while laughing, bla bla bla. Oh damn this sounds so crazy and funny the same time.
Hi Nathan could you please make a video about how to forget completely a intrusive thought I can't forget how we transition from wakefulness to sleep because of that I have a severe insomnia whenever I close my eyes I obssess about how do we fall asleep why we don't feel anything and it's driving me insane
I will make one on what to do what to do when someone obsesses about falling asleep. 👍🏻
Hi
So I recently suffered from something I call vegan ocd
I was so guilty about using meat and animal products and didn't realize that it was ocd and that diet is a personal thing
The same could be said about vegans who become too obsessive about it and ruins their life
Both of these senararios are awful and it would be great if you shed some light on them
Keep up the good work ♥️
Great thoughts and ideas. Sometimes I see this fits in the category of Orthorexia. Those would be great videos to make. Thanks for the ideas.
I understand vegan OCD; I obsess about what people buy at supermarkets when I shop. I judge them for their poor food choices. My empathy for animals at factory farms causes me so much anxiety. My obsession takes the form of judging others (secretly) and causing me to socially isolate if I know food will be served. I believe this may be a form of OCD
Nathan, is this a form of meta ocd? I’m new to ocd. Got diagnosed at 37. I have harm ocd which centers around my child. About a month ago I had a thought and the thought was “ I hope I don’t get the pocd theme”. I instantly spiraled into a state of panic. I couldn’t eat or function for days at the sheer idea of getting a pocd thought. Unfortunately, I took to Google and read about it and went on forums. The more I read the more anxious I got. Its been a month of mental checking to see if I’ll get the thoughts I read about. Would this still be considered pocd or would it fall under Meta?
My OCD kicked in at your book shelf middle on your right my left.
I have mega ocd about if I’m doing compulsions or not… it’s because I wanna be perfect in my recovery but thanks god I understood very fast It was ocd about ocd lol so I’m doing ERP now :)
Listen Survivors:
This theme may be relatable to u too
For me sometimes the thought to ignore any obsession becomes an obsession itself. That means if I ignore any ABC thought mentally, I am doing compulsion.
Then how should i ignore it.
@@tumsenbasar1443 In such situations, u shouldn't ignore neither u should think. Just become mindful of what is happenining inside u while intrusive thoughts are dwelling in ur mind and soul. Be still and observe. U can do ERP with mindfulness too.😊
I struggle with, is it META-OCD or actual ocd?
Like am I fueling this by treating it like an actual OCD theme or am I supposed to treat it like ocd? Or am I supposed to keep going and I’m actually not obsessing?
For example:
Say I’m studying, I realize I missed a topic. I go back and study it. I then get scared bc I redid it BOOM a compulsion. Right? Or wrong? Then I get caught up, how do I know what’s OCD or not?!
I am not obsessing about my obsession! I am just thinking about me as individual having an ocd mind since I was young and how is this the only way I can think what making me anxious. Is this meta?
Hi there! Do you have any suggestions on what you can do if you are obsessing over wether what you are doing is a compulsion or not? Because it's very tricky for me because I wanna do exposures for this but when I do I think its just another compulsion😭man ocd is really tricky sometimes
Its also tricky because I have health ocd and I also need to take care of my eyes(not use internet a lot,take of my glasses,etc) but when I take care of them I also feel like im doing a compulsion and then I feel guilty and its really difficult.
Hi sir, pls share medication information. Pls . Which is the best medicine for sensorimotor ocd ? What you think? Any suggetions ?
I recently have HOCD and i think i handled it! but subsequently i suddenly think what if im not straight and just gay or using OCD as an excuse and it impairs me all day because i think about it all day!! Or ithink i must have the anxiety of being gay to prove that i really am straight.
Have you recovered from HOCD?
Are you cured now
You all cured?
Is it possible for exposers to feel like compulsions? Constantly going back to things that trigger anxiety?
You also feel that you are just doing compulsions instead of exposure?
no I question everything health related for me. like am I secretly just trying to get adderall so I am tricking myself into thinking I have adhd and misinterpreting my childhood issues as adhd all in a secret effort to trick everyone (even myself) so I can get adderall.
Yes
Love from India🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Is forcing yourself to feel anxious, or feeling safer when anxious, a common trait for Meta OCD??
No its comfort zone of your body to be always anxious so its give you anxious thoughts to maintain the state.
How do you accept something that gives you anxiety?
Yesss! Į like think, but dount like when cant stop thinking in some situations and thats feel like OCD. Becouse į had OCd before į know its OCD. Į was know How to deal with OCd before. But OCd get smarter now😂. Its funny. Yes, į overcome trigers like wach TV becouse į cant wach TV when į am thinking the same time. Į cant Control My thoughts and Pure O. Į just can play with thoughts, sometimes enjoy thinking sometimes ignoring, sometimes its funny, becouse i dount know what to do. Į dount like what OCd do to Me, but what can į do?
I do that. It’s so tiring.
My problem is that i dont know if i should countinue to do erp on harm OCD even tho its no problem or if i should stop erp on harm OCD because im in this meta phase
My thing is i don’t know what is a compulsion and what isn’t anymore and u don’t know what to do
7:45 , here is the phrases for meta ocd
Why do we have meta ocd? How does it develop
I have a question. I had hocd and looking at pictures of kpop girl idols used to trigger me. I healed completely. A few days back I thought my hocd is back so I started observing my thought pattern to see wether it is back and I thought it was back. So as exposure I started looking kpop idol pics so was this a compulsion or exposure I am not sure can someone plz tell me
I can't tell you anything but I totally know how you feel! I am having this about laughing: used to have intrusive thoughts while laughing. Someday the Content was irrelevant. And what was left was : oh .. what if I can't laugh anymore now. What if a thought pops up or what if anything else so I startet to laugh on purpose and was wondering if it is a compulsion or a exposure and I couldn't stop thinking about it and then noticed: a wait. This is also ocd ! That b-tch ! 😅 So I decided to accept that I will never know if it is this or that. I do erp now , also on the thought that was there before and decided to not answering any thoughts.. well.. try to.. not easy.! Wish you the best! Patience is also important..
I woke up today and I feel so good, it’s so suspicious and I don’t like it at all, I feel like my chest is so relieved and my head is so light and the thoughts don’t scare me anymore. But at the other hand it feels like I accepted being a pedophile or being gay and that’s what I really don’t want, that’s why I can’t enjoy this at all. Can somebody relate? I feel like I lied about my OCD and that annoys me. The anxiety is gone but I just feel so weird so suspiciously good. What is that ?
I relate to you honey. I feel the same. For me, my anxiety & OCD fluctuates in strength, and when it’s lesser, the calmness and peace of mind/being able to focus on other things feels completely unwarranted. Now I won’t reassure you (sorry 🥺), but I will say, you aren’t alone ❤️
I think that's called "backdoor spike" and Nathan has a video on it! It happens to me too. The anxiety has come down a bit, or I feel better than last week, or the thought doesn't repulse me as much, and my first thought is... "what if it the thought was right all along???? what if it was a lie??? and i hace no ocd, i was lying to myself. do i still have ocd?" And that's where the doubt starts stirring again. It's maddening. Even when you feel better, you still feel at risk
Is there any way to get rid of this OCD... I hate it 😭😭
My brain just exploded lol
Lololol this is so my brain lol
I have spent over 80 hours in the past week watching videos, doing research, writing lists of symptoms, etc to try to figure out if I have OCD or not. I think I just found out why. I wrote 7 pages of symptoms of OCD and I still am accusing myself of being a liar about those symptoms. Idk what to do.
Somebody please answer. Is this common upon being diagnosed with OCD?
@@jeremybusbee7799 hope you got your diagnosis from a psych
@@yeshwanthmuthyala3343 I did. And confirmed by another
I've had these thoughts for a very long time the problem was I could never describe it to my psychiatrist now I know it has a name. What does META stand for?
Meta is not an acronym. It means "beyond" or 'transcending'. Usually when used to describe higher states. Ex. Metaphysics = beyond physics (ex. God and spirituality). But in this case meta means something reflecting itself. Meta ocd means ocd about ocd
I have hocd and it’s killing me once 6 years before I found out I had hocd I kissed a male and disliked it but now my brain is trying to make me believe other wise and I’m scared I’m getting aroused and I really hate it because I know I’m not gay or bisexual at all
Okay then what if when I stop obsessing on meta ocd THEN THEN what if I don’t know what to obsess about? Oh goodness this whole OCD thing isn’t very nice!
Isn’t this also known as “backdoor spikes”?
Yep. Some call it this. Being anxious about not being anxious enough.
Does anyone have any tips to stop checking? I have rocd and constantly check my feelings towards my boyfriend. Theyre automatic at this point and i feel like i cant look at him without checking if i find him attractive or not☹
I'm sorry you're struglging with this. I think I have some tips on my ROCD videos. Typically someone stops checking by taking value away from whatever it is they are checking. Almost thinking the opposite of what they want. For instance, if they are checking someone's nose. They would say, "Oh yea, I love how weird that looks. I'll be stuck looking at this nose forever. It will be great." 🤪
I have ROCD too!
I get it completely and what has worked for me is to really not get mad or frustrated when it happens, because if it's something you want to stop doing and keep noticing it and being frustrated by it, it will continue happening.
I may be completely wrong because I'm going through this completely self-taught, but you have to let that be, if it happens, try not to say anything in your head and give yourself some love, tell yourself it's ok and just redirect your attention to what you're doing, if you're watching a movie or whatever.
Of course it sounds easier than it really is, trust me I know, but be gentle with yourself.
Hope this helps ;)
@@ocdandanxiety thank you so much!
So you’re telling me I’m not going crazy? And it’s OCD?
What if this guy's video making consistency is secretly driven by severe ocd he is hiding? WHAT IF HE'S LYING TO US
i think this all the time about the help i get ‘what if they’re also sick and they aren’t actually helping me’. thats the ocd talking. what ocd says is good for you is usually bad, what ocd says is bad for you, is actually good. the hardest thing about this treatment is that we need to go against our skewed gut instict.
Noooooo you triggered me now 🤯
@@jayleboff7547 i had a similar thought w one of my favorite psychologists : Alejandro Ibarra.
My OCD sometimes tell me stuff like “but what if he’s paying to those people who say they have OCD?” “what if he’s lying” “what if he is just wanting to take OCD sufferers money??”
Is watching this video a compulsion? And is this thought a product of meta OCD? Damn it.! The latter is probably true.
Can I have more than 1 theme
Yeah definitely. Especially in more severe cases
I feel like these comments are also obsessive but me thinking that might also be obsessive? Sorry
Obsession..
Salvation videos
Brushing my teeth
More salvation videos
Scrupulosity
Assurance salvation syndrome