Uruguay's Forgotten Mauser - The Dovitiis
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Uruguay's Model 1871/94 Mauser conversions - known usually as either Daudetau or Dovitiis Mausers - are a really interesting story of arms history. It begins with Antonio Dovitiis, and Italian tailor and merchant of military supplies in Montevideo, who wound up with the job of procuring some new arms for the Uruguayan military, which was using single shot 11mm Mauser 1871 rifles - obsolescent by the 1890s.
Dovitiis made a deal with the St Denis arsenal outside Paris to convert 10,000 Mauser 71 rifles and carbines to the hot new French 6.5mm Daudetau #12 cartridge - a high velocity smallbore round. Much better than that old 11mm black powder round! Alas, it seems this isn't really what Uruguay wanted, and they were quickly scrapped after being received back home - Uruguay would end up buying fancy new 1895 pattern Mauser repeaters instead.
The Dovitiis conversion rifles can be found today every now and then, in both full length rifle and short carbine variants. The have a fantastic split personality going on, with German gothic markings on the receiver and French script on the barrel, along with Berthier-style sights and clearing rods.
An Uruguayan rifle converted from a German model in France at the behest of an Italian that's often mistaken for a Greek.
We don't get stuff like that anymore.
CAN'T BELIEVE MY COUNTRY HAVE A FORGOTTEN WEAPON!
Bruno Acosta Wooo! Welcome to the club, buddy! It's always exciting to see one's own country's flag show up, especially when we aren't expecting it to do so.
wel, small countries have more forgotten weapons, because if they create a gun, only small number will be build
@@petrsukenik9266 and they're usually used until they fall apart. Why spend money on new guns when the old ones still work right?
ya sabes aguante uruguay, le falta hacer un video igual, de un francotirador cal 50. q se hace aca tmb
me voy a la feria de tristan narvja, haber si encuentro una
Excellent Boone cosplay, Ian
FuryExtraLarge Boone doesn't have hair tho
Crammer Jack and Ian does
Which is funny, because I distinctly remember Ian saying that he's not much of a gamer when he did his BF1 review.
Wow, I'm from Montevideo, Uruguay and I watch all your videos.
It was a surprise you make a video of an uruguayan rifle.
What are Uruguayan gun laws like today? Uroguayan mausers are very nice rifles when one can be found in good shape
im argentinian, and i could shoot one of these in the Uruguay months ago.incredible to see the uruguay flag in your channel
Esteveskp you think Uruguay is in Argentina don't you, be honest ;)
Anhk94 ? i live in Argentina,and sometimes i go to Uruguay because my city is next to salto,one of the most important cities there.
idk what is your problem with my comment.uruguay isn't part of Argentina,obvius
Esteveskp it's just a joke about Argentina because they think everything around them is a rightful part of Argentina haha
Anhk94 Ah,sorry i get angry easily
anh94 tiene razón una gran parte de los argentinos piensan en uruguay como provincia argentina e,e,
Great work as always Ian. Greetings from Uruguay. ;)
I have a hard enough time affording .45ACP for my range trips. I can't imagine what it costs to have an obsolete 19th century cartridge custom loaded.
Regardless, that's a sweet looking little rifle. Thanks for making me aware of this unique piece of history.
As I always say:If it shoots obsolete ammo, it is fun! But another thing to add to what you're saying, when you're like me, my dad or my brother, who we all own guns that fire old obsolete cartridges, you know how it's always a rule to always check if your gun is loaded, right?Well if we ever found our gun loaded by some mysterious person, we would instead say "Wow, thanks for the ammo! I can finally go shoot this! "
Uruguay gained its independence in 1825 from the Portuguese, known then as the Empire of Brazil
In 1825 Brazil was already independent...
@@victorbarcellos6445 oh so very independent! ruled by an Emperor designated by the Portuguese Monarchy... Yet, what I wrote was that Uruguay gained its independence from the Portuguese who ruled the Empire of Brasil, never did I say that the Empire of Brasil was still a part of the Portuguese Empire.
I loved your video. im Uruguayan and i didnt knew about this interesting Rifle. Mausers were very popular and one of them gave the fatal shot that killed a famous "caudillo" of a civilian revolt called Aparicio Saravia in 1904, the shot was made at about 250 yards.
Special thanks for talking about my little country on your videos Ian.
Uhhhh saludos desde Uruguay increible que estes analizando uno de nuestros rifles! Incredible !
Uhhhh we salute you from Uruguay with love, it´s incredible that you are reviewing one of our rifles. Your history was on point, your pronunciation was ok too jajaja.
I have been folowing you since at least a month now. I couldn´t believe my country flag was in the thumbnail , i thought it was a mistake jaja. Congratulations for the work that you do in every video.
MagicPortal es mortal saber del rifle, pero como siempre, nada nos sirve y lo dejamos de usar por pelotudos.
Ian, great video! FINALLY someone made a video about these. I love shooting my 71/94
just a couple corrections: There is no ejector. The only Mauser 1871's that had ejectors were the Jagerbuchse rifles that were used in Africa.
The ammunition problem Uruguay had was that they had the wrong cartridges shipped to them! There were several variants of the 6.5 Daudeteau and the correct cartridge was the 6.5 Daudeteau No.12
Uruguay went on to convert a very small quantity of Rolling Blocks as well, but this was done in country, I only know of 3 surviving examples.
Sorry, I must have said ejector when I meant extractor.
Getting the wrong Daudetau cartridges would certainly explain the problems - thanks for that insight!
@@ForgottenWeapons Seguramente se refieren al Botador que es la pieza que golpea el culote cuando se acciona el cerrojo hacia atras con el cartucho enganchado en el extractor sacado de la recamara. Que lastima que esta presentado en ingles y creo que el cartucho es 6.5 x 53 Dodeteau. Alguien podría decir la procedencia solo se que se uso por muy pocos años en el Ejercito de Uruguay. Soy militar en retiro uruguayo nunca se menciono ese fusil durante los años en que preste servicios. Solo se que fue sustituido por el Mauser mod. Español Brasilero en cal. 7 x 57 y posteriormente entrado el siglo 20 sr adopto el Mauser mod. 1908 en cal. 7 x 57.Saludos a todos.
@@ricardoM113 Hi Ricardo, better late than never! If I understand it correctly the 6.5 x 53.5 Dodeteau is almost identical to the early 6.5 Carcano _rimmed_ cartridge. If it was based on the Carcano is unclear, and it would not be a good idea to shoot the Carcano in this Mauser. Since the rimmed Carcano cartridge is just as rare as the Dodeteau it also doesn't make sense to manufacture one from the other. However I understand that you can convert .303 British to either one by sizing, fire-forming, and trimming the case. (But my information is third hand so that may be incorrect.)
Forgotten Weapons, one of those few channels that you go to the comment section to post; "Cool story bro" and not mean it sarcastically. ;)
Cool comment, bro. ;-)
Watching because there is a long rifle for sale locally... thanks for the information!
the full length rifle has a rod too, it's a longer rod. This is the kind of insight I come here for, thanks Ian.
yeah
Thanks for sharing such an awesome piece, Ian. I was confident that this was an 1890 Berthier from the teaser clip you shared on facebook showing the clearing rod and berthier sights and such. I didn't even know this firearm existed.
This is a very fascinating rifle/carbine & it has a great story to boot. Thank you for this.
French ammo producers ( SFM) kept manufacturing 6,5 Daudetau ammo into the 1920s for sporting carbines on the Daudetau M1895 Navy rifle pattern.
Catalogues of Manufrance ( at St.Etienne) show the Daudetau No.12 cartridge and the 6 shot sporter.
DocAV
I had watched,and enjoyed this video some months back. A few days ago, i was in a shop with my buddy, where he was doing a private party transfer (hey, it's Kalifornia). The shop owner was showing one of these, a full length rifle, to a regular customer, very cheap. The customer was a little hesitant because he wasn't sure of the chambering. I remembered some infobits of the story, and the fact it was in 6.5 Daudetau. The owner had printouts from C&Rsenal about it, as well as some other info. We also looked at COTW. I opined that brass could probably be made from various rimmed cartridges, and certainly any rimmed or semi-rimmed 6.5. I also suggested Huntington's for brass, or any of the custom loaders. (I was trying to help the shop owner sell it). The customer decided to wait to decide until he could do more research. I have since found that brass can be made from 7.62x54R without too much trouble. Don't know if other 6.5 dies can be used with the sizing die adjusted, or what (depends on body diameter and taper, of course). Anyway, it was a fun encounter and we had a nice chat. I'm sure it's fun to shoot. The ballistics are basically identical to .30-30 with a longer than 20" barrel. I may see if it's still there when my buddy goes back to pick up his gun....... . ☺ Great video as always. Thank you
i'm uruguayan, i looove guns, but never heared of this rifle...
(btw, we gained independence from spain, never from argentina)
by the truth, uruguay fought against brazil in the independence war, uruguay was a brazilian state called cisplatina. Argentina helped then in the war.
You're talking about two different conflicts there, one against Spain and another later against Brazil
Uruguay is still an Argentine province papa ;D
Federico Olivares Implying americans know when they talk about our continent...
Cool rifle btw, greetings from la concha de la lora!
ARMAS URUGUAYAS QUE CALIDAD TIENEN MISILES NUCLEARES TAMBIEN AHORA JAJAJA
Nice gun. The Karl Gustav mauser is another great, great, 6.5mm rifle and cartridge combination. They shoot so well. It would be an intersting article
what a surprise to know a little more about my country. Thanks for your awesome and dedicated work
The 6,5x53R No.12 D'audetau is based on the M1891 Mosin case, necked to 6,5, and the Rim turned down to all Semi-Rim dimension so the case is Not " Rimmed"
DocAV
Buffalo Arms sells loaded 6.5x53R (Daudetau) ammo!
It's not often you get to do a Forgotten Weapons episode on the range. I really like this format.
Cool video dude :) Thanks for sharing some of your personal firearms with us!
For some reason, I think this video is especially awesome, but I couldn't say why... Maybe it's because it's a cocktail of awesome french-german forgotten hybrid carabine, because of the beret, the pun, Ian's fascinating explanations, his gift with foreign languages and the actual shooting :)
Anyways, thanks for having made this video!
Nice video! Greatings from Uruguay!
Thank you for your good videos ian!
At first sight, that looks like a delightfully handy little carbine. Confirmed @4:00.
The carbine started out life as a "jägerbüchse", generally termed a short rifle. A carbine would have been marked "k71" or KAR71", and been stocked to the muzzle with a sightguard nosepiece.
i like to see more latinoamerican history here. Very good.
Gorgeous carbine. How often have we seen countries' attempts at cut price rifle solutions turn round and bite them and end up costing them more money than if they had made the right decision in the first place?
Matthew Doye Politics/common sense =vinegar/oil.
Yeah good point
What? Uruguay did a rifle? I'm a bit more proud of my country.
Rodrigo Silva Increíble no?
El Milico1943 la posta que sí, me sorprende. Igual eso es del año del loro, ahora tenemos armas de 50-70 años atras
El modelo rifle es el que usábamos para desfilar en el Liceo Militar General Artigas.
Marco Viggiano lo usaron o solo lo tiene para los desfiles?
Desfiles, se que tenían los cerrojos separados de los rifles (para que nosotros los niños no nos baleáramos por error, calculo... 100% probable que fuera a pasar :) ) y cuando salíamos de maniobras hacíamos tiro con FALs.
Nice to see you in the Az.
Nice looking weapon, slender and light.
I fall in love. It is super slim, like I love in rifles.
me too.
Yep
Hi Ian ! As you can see you have lots of suscribes from all over! Would be very cool to see more forgotten weapons from South America! tks
its been a while since I've seen you shoot do this more often.
Great video. Funny how I got the whole story from a rifle made in my country from you!
He wore a raspberry beret, the kind you find at your favorite gun store.........:)
I couldn't resist, Ian. Keep up the good work!
Interesting history on this rifle
the G 71 hey Ian I'm a huge fan youre great about your history
I’ve had one of these things for almost a decade, saw a mint one at the last Tulsa show
Hey Ian, awesome rifle! I'm a big fan of single shots for some reason
I was wondering what the parent case used for your custom ammo is from?
7.62x54R
Forgotten Weapons
I was thinking that, I have a 1928 M91/30 myself, Thanks for the reply!
That makes sense. I have the specs for that round and I can see how a 7.62x54R could be reshaped.
@@ForgottenWeapons 7.62 x 54 R calibre ruso del Mossin Nagant no tiene nada que ver con el Dovitis que 6.5 x 53
"Let's give this a shot. Literally." - Gun Jesus 2016
Never thought I would see my country's flag in a thumbnail in one of your videos! Cool!
Could you do a video on vetterli 6.5 conversations? I forget the actual model number and I know they aren't worth much, but the history would be incredible to hear.
One reason for the small 6,5mm caliber might be that they needed a low recoil because of the weaker locking lug of the blackpowder m71 rifle.
The issue is not recoil; the issue is CHAMBER PRESSURE. You can have a heavy-recoiling cartridge that operates at lower pressure than a lighter-recoiling one - e.g. maximum heavy-bullet loads in .303 British are actually at lower-pressure than maximum loads in .223 Remington, but I can tell you from experience which I would rather fire ten of in rapid succession.
The small calibre is a good way to increase the ballistic efficiency of a bullet of the same weight and the same nose shape, and it also improves penetration. Google ballistic coefficient and sectional density and you'll see what I mean. Various nations had varying ideas of what constituted the best set of ballistic compromises; the general split in the major powers seems to have been 6.5mm (0.264") vs somewhere just north of 0.300" (the various 30 cal, .303, 7.62, 7.7, 8mm). In the long run, it seems the 6.5 advocates may end up being right.
Well thats what I meant, the energy that the cartridge thrusts at the locking lug(s). The m71 has only one lug I think, whereas later designs were built much more sturdy for smokeless powder cartridges. The 6,5mm is a good alternative, it probably has an intermediate chamber pressure yet offers a good ballistic performance, at least at medium range.
Now I gotta find one of those. Do you think you could do a video on the Portuguese 1904 Mauser-Vergeiro or even the Brazilian M1904 Mauser-Vergeiro? I am lucky enough to have a Portuguese m04/39 but just haven't been able to find much information on this breed of rifle.
That would be great to put a cartridge holding sleeve on the buttstock/comb
I had one of these some years back. The bolt head was missing & I couldn't locate another. So, I sold it.
Nice French accent, thank you for your efforts at pronunciating foreing words properly (or close!) in your videos!
You've gotta love that Kaiser Wilhelm II font!
Mausers always have the smoothest bolt action I've ever seen
Try a mannlicher-schönauer. Those are extremely smooth rifles
Neat rifle. The carbine would be a handy rifle to carry in the woods for some casual hunting...you know if the ammo was not nearly impossible to get.
What're the odds you post this and I find 2 Uruguayan Mausers on Proxibid?
I don't know
Ian is good at what he does.
Finally I came across a video of a fire arm from my country
Cool gun. Totally wanted one just based off of the look of it until you mentioned the ammo issue.
Fit an optic to the carbine and you have a very good marksman's rifle.
nice truck!
I like any of the odd ball mausers. Well this is half mauser but you get my point. I would like to see a video on any of the Swedish mausers.
Beautiful little carbine. The bolt and the lock-up looks quite fragile to fire full power high velocity rifle ammo though.. Especially considering 1870's and -80's metallurgy. Did you get any accuracy out of the weapon..?
Pretty sure this rifle takes a modified p53 enfield socket bayonet as well which is also pretty cool.
Nice truck! Do a review on your track!)))
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@@ForgottenWeapons Nice
wow am from there and i alway wach your videos !
this gun looks pretty!
Curious as to what case is being resized for 6.5 Daudetau ammo.
7.62x54R
Us reloading nerds can't handle the mention of custom loaded ammo without that info :)
+Toolness1 just think- we could revive the cartridge and Re-barrel Mosins. The Mosins could probably handle far higher pressures and we'd end up with something like a rimmed 6.5 creedmoor. Hmmm...
Not everyone has a volume of "Cartridges of the World"
Jeremian go watch kittens videos and leave those who find history fun. Ian is a master at his job and vrings super historical perspective in his work.
I am offended that you are offended, so should you be banned? See how that works? The fact that you are offended, does not make you right.
This channel is a great source or historical information, there are kittens and flowers channels for you to enjoy. Just go look at that.
whats the most expensive or favorite firearm that youve ever had? whether its personal collection or sold, by the way i love your channel though i may never be able to buy a $75k gun, its pretty cool to learn about all these rare weapons
Now this is a forgotten weapon.
Uruguay es el mejor país!
Excited to see this video Ian. Is there a reference you could recommend to learn more about Uruguayan arms?
Second question...can you supply the recipe for the ammo...what bullet / case / powder and amount was used? Thanks again.
A beautifully svelte rifle.
Didn't see anyone else asking about it, but I'm rather curious about the thinking behind the clearing rod. Is there anything about the design of it that would have made a slot for use as a cleaning rod somehow difficult? Just seems very odd to issue something like that for soldiers to lug around, but not have it designed such that it would serve far more use in the field.
Never have I been more proud to be Uruguayan.
I thought the story was going to be that they somehow converted them into repeaters by machining some sort of Kropatschek style tubular magazine into the fore-stock.
ian, for someone who doesn't wear a beret all the time, yours doesn't look half bad! trust me a lot of people, scouts and the like, who wear berets with their uniform don't have theirs nearly as neat as yours...
do be more careful tucking the string on the back under the beret though! or if the beret fits you without adjustment you can cut those strings off
i have one and im looking for a cartrigde just to put a side of it, do you knwon where i can get one? thanks
nice little rifles
Just inherited one of the full-length rifle. It has been in the family (of gun-muggles) for decades and everyone else assumed that it was an Enfield, allegedly a WW1 bring back. Not so.
they should have added a mannlicher enbloc magazine to that and you'd have a handle light recoiling repeater.
Could you explain where the reloads you need to use in that come from? What sort of modern available round would you need to re-make into that 6.5?
7.62x54R is easiest but 45-70 and 8x56R Mannlicher can also be used. A few places still make and sell brass, but it is expensive. If you load it to fairly low pressure you can get several uses out of each case. CH4D still makes dies, but they are custom order.
what was the base case for making the ammo ?
That's a sexy rifle.
yay shooting
Ah, god damn, for a second there I hoped it was about the Polish anti-tank rifle Ur (codename "Uruguay", "Ur"), but then I finished reading the title...
This one is cool, too, don't get me wrong, but I'd love to see you talk more about some Polish guns. :P
I get it that it wouldn't be easy to lay your hands on them, though.
Ur (kb ppanc wz. 35), for those still reading, was a Polish anti-tank rifle firing 7,92 × 107 mm DS ammo, developed in secrecy and capable of neutralizing pretty much every German tank in 1939, from under 100m, including Panzer IV (B, C, probably D, they started ramping up armor on them later on). The interesting part, apart from all the secrecy, was what happened with the bullet on impact. ...go and read about it. ;)
If only you could get your hands on one... Or on Mors (would-be wz 39) machine pistol (nigh impossible).
That carbine is a fine looking rifle indeed.
_Italy,_
_Italy everywhere_
Ian looks stunning with a beret, I love it!
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At 12:25 it looks like there is almost a clip guide on the receiver. Why is that if it's a single shot rifle?
It's not a clip guide, it's where the bolt retention screw and washer stop.
Where would one find these rifles and carbines and how much would one expect to pay? I lived in Montevideo for 3 or 4 years and have an affinity for South American arms. As you mentioned, Uruguay has not been a military power ever, so interest in their surplused small arms is rather light. Any help would be appreciated.
Ian, I am also an Ian with an I.G. Mod 71 Uruguay Mauser. Mine is a full length, and due to not having ammunition available, I've never been able to shoot it (though it has been inspected and headspaced.) Please let me know where you were able to source your ammunition! I would love to be able to take out this awesome 1881 production rifle and finally shoot it.
Awesome vid, though I think I'd prefer a Martini Henry to this M71 Mauser rifle.
what'd they se for the brass, carcano?
Hey Ian, we declared our independence from the Spanish, not the Argentinians. And we fought many wars. Our natural harbor was so good, since we are in the inside curve of the Rio de la Plata and Argentina get all the mud, that every single power at that time wanted this harbor and their lands. So, Portuguese founded the first city, they where kick out by the Spanish, the British try, twice, Argentinians and Brazilians try, being the Bazilians who retain half of the country. Actual Rio Grande do Sul use to be Banda Oriental (Uruguay). Anyway you can find a lot of mausers too here, three locking slugs, mostly germans, and two slugs from France and Belgium. Most of them had been rebarreled and still in use for hunting. Lots of Rolling Blocks 7mm mauser too.
I'm wondering - Why are you wearing a T-shirt from KACO - a German company that makes solar-power inverters?
I used to work in the solar power industry, and Kaco was a partner in some big projects we did.
Because the t-shirt was free, i believe.
Anybody have reloading data for this bad boy? These actions were originally for 11mm Mauser black powder. I'm trying to go easy on the old girl
What are these valued at for someone who wanted one?
You know, between the full length rifles rear sight and the shape of the barrel shank, at around 12:34 you could be forgiven for thinking you were looking at a very, very early Mosin rifle. Of course those of us that know about the very, very early Mosins know that Chatellerault was the first actual producer of Mosins before the Russians got Tula, Izhevsk, and Sestroyetsk up and running.
that is a beautiful rifle, I would love to find one in a gun store for the right price
In my search for load data, it appears buffalo arms still makes ammo. I was interested too see what tge parent case was.
My ammo was made from 7.62x54R cases.