Timeline of the Albert's After Party | MA v Karen Read Day 12 Recap
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- Witnesses testified they never saw Officer John O'Keefe at the Albert's after-party. Allison McCabe gets emotional on the stand testifying about the harassment the McCabe family has endured. Plus, Court TV's Matt Johnson asks #KarenRead if she will take the stand in the #KillerOrCoverUpMurderTrial.
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Because of all the facts of the case being left out, and just now being known, I have to say that Miss Karen Read seems innocent.
Some of the people (that were questioned on the stand) seemed helpful and sincere; some seemed like they were confused, or unwilling to be forthcoming.
Because BS media and CZcamsrs haven't been showing all the real facts and evidence, idiots who are in a turtle cult believe lies and conspiracies that aren't fact based , every witness has been consistent in their testimony
RBF Karen is a psychopath spreading lies and it's disgusting people actually support the BS she's spreading
I think something happened at that home for sure but I dont think they intended for him to die. So I do believe nobody meant to kill him but I do believe something happened and that's why they had to turn this on Karen.
Is it possible someone else accidentally hit him??? 🤔
@@missyveach my question as well
Nobody remembers anything. But they always remember Colin was picked up at 12.10pm! 🤔
That’s a great poont
Maybe because he's their child, maybe?
Im suprised there isnt a memorial there for him! Wheres all the boys in Blue demanding the truth?!?! Usually when theres a fallen officer, theres at Minimum a cross....i find this ENTIRE thing suspect as hell!
Yo IU are not following the case. This is now someone else’s property. The new owner even painted the house blue.
@@whartonitec1041 I see memorials at All kinds of places... its still John's final spot... out of Respect for the dead, usually theres a memorial!
I was thinking of this exact thing earlier and I actually started crying. I represent police officers and they are so loyal to each other. It's so moving to me how they have each other's backs. I'm not saying police officers are perfect because no one is. But the good ones really take the oath to protect and serve seriously and they all know that they all take that oath with the knowledge that they could end up making the ultimate sacrifice. I get that John Okeefe didn't die in the line of duty, but as an officer who died young and under suspicious circumstances, it makes me so sad that it was officers who dropped the ball on the investigation. It makes me sad that Brian Albert would refer to John's death on his front lawn as "the incident" when he refers to the officer in NYC whose funeral he went to as "the officer who was murdered". I'm not saying that means Brian Albert did anything to him. But to distance like that with a fellow officer makes me very sad.
My exact words
I think a bench with a plaque would be nice. So his family and friends can come and sit a while and pay their respects. I am sure the new property owners will not be against a park bench for people to sit on.
That girl who picked up Colen Albert, just give away that John was at the house....and that's why the fake cry come up, she realise she made a mistake......
I agree that’s what I heard too. It wasn’t a very hard question. She just got confused and she got all defensive immediately because she wasn’t sure what she had just admitted to and in her nervousness she said Colin wasn’t there when John was there.
There was no reason for her to get nervous there if she was telling the truth. But she was afraid that she had slipped up somehow and that’s when she came out and said Colin wasn’t there when John was there which isn’t completely a guilty statement technically because we all know now that John was at least out on the front lawn and that Colin was there at some point. but if there was no significance because he was innocent, then why did she get all flustered and say it like she said it?
@@Rambo-John-J also Colin claims he don't know how Karen Read looks like??????? he could just said not at the time but now I know.
@@Rambo-John-JJust because she was nervous doesn’t mean that she is lying.
Y’all are reaching. She like everyone else that is following this case knows that John was at the house because his body was found in the yard. That doesn’t mean that John was inside the house.
3 people in 1 car yet all of them contradict each other. Make it make sense!
All drunk . Drunk people from that night shouldn’t be on the witness stand talking about the events from a night that happened over two years ago. Ridiculous and not credible
Thats actually not a good thing for the defense theory about the police framing Karen Read. If the police was trying to cover up the crime, they would have made sure that all 3 people in the car statements match each other
The driver doesn’t remember flashing at that intersection. It’s possible he did that at another intersection and to another car and the two more drunk passengers are conflating the memories. The passengers are also dating at the time and would discuss it among themselves to ingrain the memory. The driver’s testimony (who would be less intoxicated) is Karen’s car is already out front of the house when they pull up. If that is what happened, there’s a period of time Karen’s car is out front with no one observing and John could have entered the house.
Human memory isn’t perfect. They all remember that he wasn’t in the house tho
@@udhehfhehcuw9169 Exactly
You have to be moving fast to actually kill a body with a vehicle. A broken tail light is very minor damage. I hit a deer and it did 7500 dollars of damage to my car. Imagine a 200 plus pound body.
They have videos of no broken tail lights at 5:30
The vehicle nearly hit his head as he was bent over in the depiction. Shown I have seen! Couldn’t hit him straight on from that road with him on edge - duh 🙄
@@Juke582 why in hell would he be bent over? lol
Even so, I want to know how she manages to back into him when doing so would position her SUV across both lanes in full view of all front-facing windows at the house. She would have had to have backed up fairly quickly toward the house from the street but stop short of entering the lawn because no tracks are found.
So Ryan Nagel and his ex-girlfriend, Heather Maxon, testified that they both saw this black SUV parked in front of the house, both testifying that they did not see anyone exit the vehicle and neither saw a body on the ground near the vehicle. Neither testified to witnessing the vehicle perform a maneuver as described above that would be required to hit and subsequently throw a body across the lawn toward the flag pole where it was found. One witness, however, Heather Maxon, testified to observing the black SUV driving off but, again, not seeing a body in the lawn after it left.
Ryan Nagel, however, offered up an interesting story about observing the SUV moving forward at one point... with its brake lights on. Ironically, despite the damage to the taillight that the Prosecution claims occurred that evening, Ryan Nagel did not observe damage to the taillight despite the fact that it would have been completely obvious if there was unfiltered white light beaming through a busted red taillight lens.
Between what they saw and what they did not see, coupled with Allison McCabe's Freudian Slip about John being in the house that night despite everyone else saying they never saw him, it all kind of stinks of reasonable doubt at best.
But hold on while we rehome the beloved family dog we've had for 7 years, sell the family home and move to a different city because that's what a family does on a whim, not at all because the fam is trying to dump evidence.
The autopsy reports alone don't match the prosecutions claim of a hit and run
Alison McCabe re Colin Albert “he was not at the house when John was there” 😳 so John WAS at the house?
Busted
John technically was AT the house but not IN the house. No one has been busted 😂🤡
@user-ji5gz5fu3g come back at the end of the trial and eat crow sockcucker. Supporting those murderers you low life sob
Even if he was outside, someone saw him there to be able to tell Colin or Allison
@@lilithstribeshe means when he was alleged to be there/out front in Karen’s car. Stop being so dense.
Vinnie, You are the only one from Court tv that I watch anymore. Been a fan of yours for many, many years. Keep being objective, inquisitive, and professional as always.
Yes the other ones draw conclusions right away they're very ignorant I shut them off right away
Go check out the autopsy photos. John has injuries consistent with a fist fight, especially the the bruises on the back of his hands which is consistent with blocking your face during a fight. Not to mention the dog bites on his arm which are in the exact spot the police dogs a trained to bite
Thank you!!! Finally someone else sees what I see. Sorry but prosecution has proven nothing beyond a reasonable doubt. Questions so many questions.
@@GonzoMom Dog was ruled out by a saliva test.
LOL at the prosecution's forensics specialist, too, because instead of swabbing the actual wounds for canine DNA and sending those off to legitimate labs for testing, they hire a veterinarian to test pieces of shirt for DNA. Pieces of shirt that may or may not have been in contact with the aforementioned wounds. :D
I'm wondering why the prosecution didn't just go after the conviction that they could have gotten: involuntary manslaughter as a result of DUI. The bar for convincing a jury of that scenario would have been far lower than insulting their intelligence with theories that lack supporting evidence. Nah, let's concoct a wild-ass story about premeditation and try for murder instead! LMAO!
@@mammycher8895 on a shirt, not on the actual wounds
@@GonzoMom Why would Read scream did I hit him, did I hit him, and then tell she broke her tail light?
Also I'd point out that after Colin's phone text on Jan 29th the next entry isn't labeled until Feb 20 2022 at 7:09pm. I cannot believe that he would not have been using his phone for a whole month right after the night of Jan 29th. Does not make sense.
Not only that but the day changed in the text conversation and yet no day stamp showing when it rolled from Friday into Saturday. SUS to me.
@@sierraechopnw4228PERFECT POINT! No one caught that too, and I didn't notice either!
Also NO bubble around the text and completely different font and size.
I think the biggest question is why we’re all the “responsible” adults acting like they are in college on a work day? Get so drunk you don’t know there’s a dead body in front of your house. I would have know that instantly.
And cops !
sure you would...do you live in an area where there's snow? I'll bet 100% you don't.
@@tcreative8030 it would be playing on my cell and recorded with sound. I’d get the notifications. I’d know immediately if someone got hit by a car in front of my place.
@@Sfhakrn yeah, ok.
@@Sfhakrn HUH?
This family lies without blushing
of course they had beef because their thug son was causing problem's. you can tell they protect him at all cost's. just look at the REAL him on line, thug wanna be, protected.
plus, what adult's do those kind's of photo's except to say "screw you!!! we do what we want!!!" i belive they had issue's with JO and a fight got out of hand. then, "UH OH" WHAT DO WE DO NOW??? commence cover up.
I think it’s all shady AF and the state needs to dismiss the charges. If she’s convicted on the evidence I’ve seen so far that would be a travesty of justice. I truly don’t think either side knows what happened. In this case it goes to the defense. Not guilty.
dismissing the case means starting a case against the alberts. can't have one without the other
I thought from the beginning it was a case of lady drinking lost it with her boyfriend. Well I don't anymore. I've completely changed my mind now. I honestly believe this is a huge conspiracy. When she gets found not guilty there are going to be a lot of charges for this so called cops family.
what first changed your mind? ive been firmly fkr for a few months, but trying to figure how to reach others -
@@jacofalltrades7610 I started to change my mind when Brian albert took the stand. Straight away I thought he's off. He looks like he is on a white knuckle ride. Clinging on for dear life. Also to many inconsistencies in his story and the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Selling the house. The dog rehoused and the phones immediately being changed.
@@user-nh5ew9ck4z I hadn't seen that. I thought it may have caused a fight at the house because of Brian Albert's friend chatting up Karen. This family seems really dodgy. As soon as Brian albert sat on the stand he looked completely off. He looked like he was on a white knuckle ride. All the inconsistencies. No way is Karen guilty
@@AileenBartlett-ym4ec very interesting thanks
How do you know that she will be found not guilty. Not only that but there isn’t any proof that something happened inside the house. If something happened inside the house and they were trying to cover up a crime, they wouldn’t have put the body in their own yard
Anyone catch Alison McCabe say Colin wasn't at the house when John O Keefe was...very interesting maybe finally in the frustration of her cousin being harassed she let it slip that John was at the house.."he was not at the house while John was there".
Yes!😳
I totally got that, and instantly thought "am I hearing things?"
Yes 😮
YES I CAUGHT THAT TOO. Hope the jurors did too. Slips are bound to happen when you got lies floating everywhere
Of course John was there he was literally ran over in their front yard 🙄
No way did she do anything.
I reckon she shouldn't even have been charged.
So maybe it’s a coincidence she’s drunk texting him FUs left and right immediately after ‘dropping him off’. She’s the last one to see him alive. She’s the one that finds the body in the dark in 6” of snow during a blizzard. Immediately after she finds the body she’s yelling ‘I hit him’ ‘I hit him’ ‘I hit him’. Now she, her SUV and John are placed at the crime scene.
@@tamih8413 I know. I feel like I'm going crazy. This is an open and shut case. She drunkenly ran him over. End of story.
@@tamih8413why did her car’s telemetrics indicate “zero incident recorded” if she hit him?
Did you hear her say that Collin wasn’t there when John was there?!?
I think she was saying at the time he was killed
Of course John was there. He was run over in their lawn
that came out of her lips like water
His body was found in the yard, she like everyone else that has been following the case knows that John was at the house
So many contradictory statements among these prosecution witnesses!!!
John's injuries not consistent with a vehicle hit. I saw all the photos.
I think John jumped out super quick hence why Ryan Nagel and his friends didn’t see him. He was already entering the house when they were pulling up behind Karen. Then after they talk to Julie Nagel and she says I am gonna stay, they drive past Karen who is sitting in the car waiting for John to let her know whether to come in or not. Remember she said she wasn’t comfortable about going in and he was gonna go in and suss it out. Then after getting tired of waiting for him, she drives off and goes home. Annoyed because she thinks John’s neglected her.
That makes sense.
I don’t think that happened. I think that she would have just called him if he was taking too long. I don’t think that he went inside the house at all.
The driver doesn’t remember flashing at that intersection. It’s possible he did that at another intersection and to another car and the two more drunk passengers are conflating the memories. The passengers are also dating at the time and would discuss it among themselves to ingrain the memory. The driver’s testimony (who would be less intoxicated) is Karen’s car is already out front of the house when they pull up. If that is what happened, there’s a period of time Karen’s car is out front with no one observing and John could have entered the house.
I think he hopped out when she pulled up at the driveway. Walked between the cars, therefore wasn’t spotted by Nagle and his friends.
😅
More people confirming there was barely any snow around 12.15 - 12.40. However, is body was found on a thick layer of snow. Also, the pool of blood missing around his head...
Wonder who told Julie to say she saw a black blob 5-6 feet 👀🤡👀
💯 yes I wonder too - but think some people know 🤔
She saw that “black blob” for the first time after almost three years. Very convenient!
😂😂😂😂 I couldn't believe my ears 😮
Well she could not all of a sudden say a body could she
brian albert. he's a detective
Still waiting for evidence to come out. Not enough as of yet.
Me too.
Me too. Prosecutor seems to be on the defense 🤔. But this is their case to prove!
Besides Karen saying she hit him? Why would the EMTs lie? You think they're going to risk their whole life just to cover up for the Alberts?
@@diver291how have they risked their lives? It’s called peer pressure and just going along with what all of the other popular people in the small town are saying. If anything, they would be risking their life going AGAINST those people.
Got my bottle of wine to celebrate Karen's NOT GUILTY verdict.
Straight up guilty vibes from Colin Albert. Apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
Sad the Karens are willing to lie about a young man rather than allow justice to be served
How so?
after watching Colin alberts testimony and the videos and pictures of his knuckles he definitely was the one who unalived john without a doubt he did it
@cb4764 Yeah, the 17 year old beat up a grown up policeman. It certainly wasn't the lady that repeatedly stated "I hit him",
protected thug. just look at his attitude.
Liars don't remembers their lies
Hahaha so true!
Could be narcissistic
I bet Karen will forget her lies bigtime too!
@@Juke582 ,like what? Fighting with John.
@@Juke582 Karen is 98 pounds. Are you ever a defense lawyer your client is cook 🔥 u can tell; the difference between a car hitting a 200-pound tall guy. Like they say or a fight Even the FBI is coming to stop this witch hunt
Noone can keep their story straight lol
Why are we having to listen to the ex lawyer of one of the people in this case? He’s adding no extra value to the conversation. He’s just here to clean up his own awful work.
@@user-nh5ew9ck4z Exactly! Seriously annoying bias.
@@user-nh5ew9ck4z at this point I wouldn’t be surprised.
Who is that?
Wow just imagine how Karen Read felt as the accused murderer in an extremely weak case. The behavior of this lot is quite appalling.
So it’s wrong to accuse her of murder despite the fact that she said she did it, but it’s ok to accuse all the people of the house of murder and aiding and abetting…the karens do not make sense. It’s a cult
No one thought about the niece or nephew when this man's life was taken and brutally beaten n left on lawn. Plow guy saw., but they don't!
Big slip saying Colin was not there when John was there! "So she knew John was there at the party!
Notice she said:Colin wasn't there(when:John was there)???
Jonh had a large cult in the back of the head, mark of defense in his hands and punched black eyes mark. He was brutally punched to death and also attacked by the owner dog. He for sure wasn’t hit by a car
The 2 black eyes are from blunt force trauma to the head. Google “raccoon eyes head trauma”. The bruises to the back of his hands indicate self defense. His injuries are nothing remotely close to being hit by a car. How did his belt come off? I can’t wait for cross examination tomorrow.
No comment on Allison said “Colin was not in the house when John was there”
ffs. She's saying when collin was INSIDE the house, John was NOT INSIDE the house? This is like talking to flat earthers
That doesn’t mean that John was inside the house. She like everyone else that has been following the case knows that John was at the house because his body was in the yard.
@@sierramcclary2897 Yes put there after being attacked in the basement. With dog scratches on his arm trying to defend himself. Two red swollen eyes his brother said when in ICU popped out like ping pong balls. This is probably Boston's biggest ever cover up of cops trying to hide what probably started out as a fight.
“…when John was there...”
“…people are harassing him saying he was at the house when…it’s not true.” She was about to say “when John was there” again.
She took a moment to cry because she realized she messed up.
Spot on. Why didn't Vinnie pick this up? I hope that the Defense lawyers did & will raise it during cross.
I think whatever happened i dont think it was meant to cause death! I do believe something happened at that house for sure but i dont think anyone thought it would end up like it did. So i do think the Alberts know something.
Once they didn't call for help or render aid, if there was an accident, and placed his body outside that is murder.
@@curiousjo8556 maybe they did fight in the house and he could've walked outside not knowing his injuries was that bad could've dropped his cell or something passed out and caused his death.
Yeah he died there and they’re covering it up.. that’s the whole issue lol
@@missyveachwhich means they all know that and are lying…
It’s time to discuss the autopsy report, just put the Medical Examiner’s ass is hot seat already.
The guy laughing when he is completely right and they just don’t understand technology 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its glaringly obvious Sarah Levison is the most traumatized. If Karen Read was Framed, as a Nurse, did Levinson act as First Responder after the alleged bashing! With head wound and loss of blood, vomiting/seizures she would've know John OKeefe was DYING!
Those text messages have been altered. That is not the format for texting….
Yes it is. Why do people believe some guy on CZcams over researching themselves? I have both android and iphones, if i scroll back through texts THERE ARE COMMAS RIGHT AFTER THE YEAR. Look at examples om the internet or try on your own phone. Nick Rocko made a fool of himself
Why would investigators ask them for their texts? They should obtain it from the phone provider. Wth
And didn’t even ask for them until a year later? Bizarre
No one saw John O’Keefe?? Allie McCabe said today that JO was there, but not when Colin was there….
Did she say he was In the house? Or at the house? He certainly was at the house...his body was discovered there
The defense has an uphill battle with this BIAS judge.
Ryan was telling the truth. Julie lied. Ryan said only KR was in the car by herself. Where was JO? In the house. Idk when Colin left but it doesn't matter. Maybe he was already gone. I think the guilty parties are BA and BH (hence the "butt dials"), and maybe they're all covering for those guys....Their story remains JO was never in the house.
They had to have one person who left after KR was gone say they saw him out there. Julie Nagel was a good person for that job. Then JM with the post butt dial 2:27 "hos long to die in cold" ..... come on. No problem though because your buddy Proctor has you covered. Just ask Courtney and Julie about their 67 phone conversations.
You don't need a premeditated attack or ambush for something to have happened to JO in that house. A couple of drunk men with big egos is enough.
Agreed!
Perfectly said
My thoughts exactly
Julie Nagel negated her testimony by admitting she was drunk.
So how will it look if karen testifies admits she was drunk and says what she might say?
@@waynefoote3781 thank you. That first comment was absurd and she doesn't even realize it.
@@tcreative8030 Hmmmm probably so. I firmly think that a person can be drunk but actually remember things after becoming sober and thinking things out. Which might also help Karen out if she testifies. This is a really interesting case.
@@waynefoote3781 The trolls dont think about that Read can do no wrong....
she wont and doesnt have to take the stand. there is no serious evidence against her... she has nothing to prove
@@waynefoote3781
I don’t think Karen did it. All the witnesses in the house have been so suspicious and evasive in their testimonies. Something happened in the house. Why would Karen intentionally kill her boyfriend and leave him outside like that? Makes no sense.
And leave him there… during a party… tons of people coming and going… house full of police officers… and it wasn’t snowing yet so he would be seen easily. There’s no way she did it
Then go home to his adopted children and be the first one to contact authorities and the only one to render John aide upon discovering him.
While there were a car behind her and people coming and going?????
Because she was mad. If the police was trying to cover up the crime by framing Karen Read, they would have manufactured more evidence against Karen Read.
Exactly someone who allegedly hit him with a car deliberately. Would know they were all preoccupied drinking and would probably at least try and hide him or make Google searches of what to do. Just like the Jen thing who googled Hos long to die in the cold?
Allie McCabe broke down because she realised she said Colin wasn't at the house when John was there!
This is so sad for John O’keefe and his family. They deserve to know what happened!! My prayers for the O’keefe’s 🙏
Sounds like mistrial to be dismissed
He’s wrong about the comma in the timestamp. Some iPhones do in fact do this when going back more than a year.
That said a screenshot alone is not enough proof. Timestamps can absolutely be changed easily just change your time zone in your phone settings and you’ll see it right away.
You are correct. I’ve been in Tech since the early 80’s. Also blue bubbles are iMessages not text messages and examples of ‘date, time’ format can easily be found with an online search.
Are they not able to get records of the original texts (assuming they’ve been altered) from the phone carrier? I’ve always thought even if I delete a text it’s never really “deleted”; it still exists out there in the ether… but I don’t know!
mine has a comma if it goes back a week
I think they thought pinning this on Karen was going to be easy!
At this point no one has proved murder- the defense has raised too many questions to ignore.
I'm still confused. However no K9 DNA on John Okeefe arm...
Yes and the prosecution shows KR’s drunk texting him FUs left and right immediately before or after ‘dropping him off’. She’s the last one to see him alive. She’s the one that finds the body in the dark in 6” of snow. Immediately after she finds the body she’s yelling ‘I hit him’ ‘I hit him’ ‘I hit him’.
The defense also have witnesses so lets wait
@@tamih8413 Not a single witness said she was drunk. And the only witness to supposedly hear her say I hit him has done been caught lying under oath. Get your facts straight!
@@tamih8413 when did the prosecution show those messages from Karen?
If she was so drunk how would she get the sequence of events right.
How do we know she’s right?
They were all drunk
She was blackout drunk, she doesn't remember anything that night. Good point
Jenn McCabe will be a very important person in this!
Just because she was drunk doesn’t mean that she couldn’t have remembered the sequence of events
Colin seems to be the only one who didn't spend much time IN the house
I don't believe a thing he is saying, he can't remember who he got to his friend's house, but when asked he remembers he got a ride? And how and when did Alison Mccabe picked him up to take to the Alberts? She had a dinner with team at her house, then went back to watch her sister's game and then drive around with her friends, pick up a dog, went to police station and took the dog back.... she was at some friend's house and when Collin contact her to pick him up again, she was busy dropping people off?????
But who is testifying him or zannax ? Because he sure was under the influence of something to calm him down.
He is right about the comma in the text message date.
Julie Nagel, in her written testimony, said she saw the car move backward. So, now, it's moving forward???? It's like Matt Cab seeing the SUV doing a 3 point on the road. Later on, he retracted his statement, to fit their narrative.
Between 12.21 and 12.24, O'Keefe was walking into the house. His phone was climbing 3 flights of stairs.
The harassment information shouldn’t have been allowed in, no door was open by the defense but by the commonwealth and his questioning. The harassment wasn’t done by the defense but by journalists or other people out there so it shouldn’t been allowed in.
Agreed. It was irrelevant and manipulative. Trying to get the jurors to feel bad for the Alberts and trying to demonize Karen (who wasn't even the one doing it).
The driver doesn’t remember flashing at that intersection. It’s possible he did that at another intersection and to another car and the two more drunk passengers are conflating the memories. The passengers are also dating at the time and would discuss it among themselves to ingrain the memory. The driver’s testimony (who would be less intoxicated) is Karen’s car is already out front of the house when they pull up. If that is what happened, there’s a period of time Karen’s car is out front with no one observing and John could have entered the house.
The black SUV is what changed my mind about the entire family I'm not buying it.
Alison ended her testimony looking like she spent the day at the beach. She was red as hell🥵 I guess that's what happens when you lie so much in such a short amount of time.
What proof do you have that she is lying?
Waiting on ME report.
the prosecutors have spent the majority of their time trying to prove no one in that house killed him instesad of proving karen did it
because they have no proof
If they have the data for Ally's phone going to the HS, going home, then leaving again, etc. then they have the data for her location at 12:10 when she was picking up Collin. Lally, and his assistants aren't doing a good job.
Correct!
He was in a rush to see mom? Not!!!
All tears when talking about the harassment but none when speaking on John o’keefe
Because nobody cares about pigs
Why would Higgins go to hang out at police sration office at 2.
Isn't it funny how they all went to go back to the house at midnight to hang out longer, but Higgins came and left?
🤔
Higgins has an office at the canton police station
I knew nothing about this case until the trial started, that being said I’m still waiting to see the evidence that proves KR hit Officer O’Keefe with her car.
The only thing the prosecution has proven at this point is that Canton PD failed to conduct a proper investigation. Maybe if they had this case wouldn’t be such a mess. Watching these witnesses I cannot help but think they are not telling the entire truth.
On another note KR does come off a big smug but I still haven’t seen evidence to prove she hit him with her car. The injuries don’t match up.
Still waiting for prosecution to bring in some experts that can explain how but as it did not I don’t think she’s guilty, there is too much reasonable doubt.
How do you think KR should react in the court room. Put yourself in her shoes, being framed by two thug families and corrupt cops. If she cries, she must of done it if she’s smiles she has no remorse, if she’s smug, she gives an impression of guilt. Please tell me how you would sit at that table day after day and react any better. Considering the two and a half years of blame, threats, loss of employment, financial ruin, loss of home, loss of personal vehicle all this while still presumed innocent, on top of that, she suffers from MS and colitis. I think she’s doing well, conversing with her team, taking notes, paying attention to witnesses…I think she’s a strong woman with the strength and will to fight.
@@lawrenceandcheryldoudiet5090 actually that comment above agrees that Karen is not guilty
@@MissteryDivaI think they know that, I think they are taking exception about the bit at the end about KR's demeanor appearing smug.
@@STillUnpaidBillno matter what she looked like, you people would judge her. If she was friendly and smiling, then she’s cocky, she did it and she’s happy and doesn’t care about is death, if she’s crying and sad, then that means she did it and she regrets it. She can’t win with you people
@@user-nj9db2tg9w what do you mean by "You people" did I state an opinion either way? I did not, you're so emotionally invested your'e attacking an objective comment about an opinion about a murder trial that none of us are a part of... here's the kicker... on the fuckin internet!
For the record I'm undecided & have not passed judgement on KR's appearance.
Hi, Vinnie , Mods, & all “The Politans!”😂 Always love Vinnie’s perspective on these cases! This case is extremely sad. I think it was an accident, but a man’s life was still lost.😓 Prayers for all involved!
😂 why do you need to have 2 people to rebut Nick Rocco about Karen? And why are you hiding the fact that the lawyers on the panel are the lawyer of Colin Albert's grand jury testimony, and he trying to pretend that he's not being bias but keep on defending his actions 😅😂
He didnt hide he was the ex lawyer of colin. He has said it numerous times over these programmes 🤔
His demeanor indicated he lied heavily in court!! Eyes here and there!! Right thumb kept scratching nose!! Keep taking a sip every other time!! His tounge frequently surfacing those thin lips!! Sitting in a way like I dont care that sort of attitude!! Like I will defeat you!!!😮😮
Are you a body language expert?
@@JRM1790 exactly...and that's not scientific evidence anyway.
If John not in house so they say not in car where is he,in basement,Alison said Colin was not there when John was,too many holes in story
Being young what does that mean,young people have done horrific things,any age can
People can look good in public but I never know what goes on behind closed doors
Nick Rocco is an expert on the FKR movement, but he’s not an expert on forensics, data, law, etc.
FYI, my text messages are full of the commas Nick mentions. Some have them, some don’t.
@@user-nh5ew9ck4z Alan Jackson was Harvey Weinstein’s defense attorney. Take everything the defense says with a grain of salt. Their job is to twist things in order to save their clients ass. Anyone that defended a scumbag like Harvey Weinstein should be looked at very cautiously. No moral compass. He only cares about who will pay him the biggest check. He’d be on the commonwealths side arguing for Karen’s guilt if it meant a larger pay day.
@@user-nh5ew9ck4z Also, they don’t have the originals from the Feds. If the Feds found anything (which they didn’t), this trial would not be happening. Use your head. Karen is more likely than not guilty (id say manslaughter, not 2nd degree) and these people have been absolutely smeared with no proof. It’s sad. Good chance the person that really killed John gets off free (Karen) because of all of this nonsense.
All the testimonies that declared Collin was at/near “main front door” getting ready to leave…and yesterday Collin stated he left out the secondary front door.
They have to cross the hell out of the kid. and remind him over and over again he is under oath and the PENALTIES of LYING UNDER OATH and the CONSEQUENCES. then they need to grill the crap out of thin.
Come on Vinnie, get rid of the 2 old guys and get Melanie Little and the FBI woman on your show.
He weas pretty batteried
I don’t think she has was crying about the harassment imo. She was crying because got caught altering the texts.
Looking at the texts on my iPad and there IS a comma.
Well thank you Vinnie…finally someone remembered the real victim officer John O’Keefe. R.I.P 💙🕊️
Amidst the 39 witnesses thus far we know, the weather ❄️, who is who, ages, DOB, when they arrived at the waterfall, what they drank, Their jobs and aspirations, cars they drove, shoes they wore...everything but a single clue. I'm appalled at the poor investigative, forensic and detective work undertaken “or lack thereof”
Preposterous.
Nicole likes "Cleaning"
DUI
hos long to die in cold: Jennifer McCabe Google search at 2 27 am
Nicole cleaning or washing away evidence😊
10:15 Finally, someone placed John at the house••••
A lot of people are lying here. You can tell by their body language. The dead cop was beat up. Two black eyes and numerous head contusions. The guy who owns the house is a boxing expert and a boxing instructor. duh.
@Vinnie, replay the testimony & hear the witness say, "when John was there". No one asked her what she meant
Johns brother testified johns eyes while in icu bed popped out like pingpong!! I never seen car accident that caused any death like that!!! Now why!!!😮
They have to be sweating Colin under cross No matter how much they prepare him he's young.
The dog is the 🗝 key.
They are all going to many lengths to convince everyone Colin wasnt there I believe he did it.
And he's about as smart as a 📦 of 🪨
I agree he is involved. I just don’t see a 17 year old beating a trained cop in a fight.
@paigemaria_ ambush and it wasn't a fair fight the dog and all his family had his back
@@paigemaria_ Have you heard the comments stating Colin trains with his uncle Brian Albert regarding MA( I'm assuming that is referring to martial arts) and looks up to him.
That boy is Brian Albert's prototype for his ego.
Shocking the whole case. The improper insufficient not following standard protocol investigation procedures alone framed K. Read even without planting evidence.
Ya got no evidence O'Keefe was Ever in that house. No evidence Karen hit him, but you're a Long way from a huge coverup with All these witnesses that were in and around that house. No way you're getting all those people to get their stories together and cover up a homicide.
“He (Colin) wasn’t there when John was there”…. She slipped and put John at the house
She never seen him enter the home. Ever
Omfg what, the comma after “ 2022, “
😳😳😳😳😱😱😱😱
I swear I’ve been 50/50 now I’m 100% with Karen !!!!! This tiny comma is the smoking gun for me !!!!!!
Nick forged it. Where is the 9ne in court?
Ofgs! My iphone messages has a comma. Total BS.
@@shazzaSheehan1965comma on iPhone is after the day not the date?
That comma just proved Karen’s innocence
Reasonable doubt. That’s it.
@Nocomment950 John O'Keefe reported Chris Albert's son Colin for dealing drugs which led to his arrest- MOTIVE‼️Jen McCabe Brian Albert's sis in law googled " How long to die in cold" at 2:37 am‼️Autopsy shows John was beaten to death & dog bites‼️ Proctor texted his friend's how they won't investigate them‼️Judges brother defended Albert & they call her "Aunt Bev"‼️ Cop Cover Up
that's not it. people go to prison with reasonable doubt all the time. further, if she is found not guilty, a case will be opened against the alberts. there has never been a time when a cop was found murdered on another cop's property and no one was punished for it.
ALL THESE ADULTS DESTROYED THEIR CHILDREN’S LIVES.
they're all "young" and "kids" yet are given easy and regular access to alcohol and there's driving involved. I think this family would go to LENGTHS to protect their image and positions within Law Enforcement.
It seems ridiculous that everyone is lying. To complicated and there's also the issue of perjury. Who would say and do all those things and then go to jail. Its to weird.
cops lie on the stand all the time
COLIN ALBERT WAS IN THE HOUSE 🏠🏠
Nope
Basement to be exact 💯 bang bang pull up advantage boys
Even the girl slipped up "when John was at the house". Everyone is playing dumb but she apparently KNOWS when John was "at" the house?
The cats out of the bag.
His timeline would have him home before his dad - but his dad said he came home before Colin- the lies are catching up - they all claim to only remember certain stories and can’t recall anything else - the lies are coming to light as they always do
@@GeofenceVictimJohn was there outside on lawn after karen running him over in a rage and drunk on top of it. He never made it in the house! Karen came back to the scene 3 emts heard her say I hit him I hit him.🥴🤷♀️
ALL THE PHONE RECORDS SHOULD CORROBORATE OR NOT 🚫 🚫 🚫 🚫 🚫 ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE WHERE ARE THE PHONE RECORDS???🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Taking screenshots and then getting rid of the phones means they knew they needed to "cook the books" consciousness of guilt, otherwise when they realized there was something important on the phone, they would have kept the phones and turned them over!
Why is he not referred to as officer o’ keefe during trial ?
He wasnt on duty at the time maybe
Not on duty.
Brian albert is a cop aswell as other witnesses they are not being referred to as officer either .
Screenshots are easy to manipulate! 😊
Thank you Court TV
Thank you Vinnie
At best they cannot all be telling the truth
Blessings to John's Family Friends and Loved ones🩵🙏
Thank you. I’ve been wanting a timeline of this whole thing.
How absurd is it to believe Karen would try to run him over. She'd have to believe he'd just move out of the way, or just not die. If he doesn't die, her life is over!
It's absurd to think she tried to run him over.
Yeah she would have to be a complete pyschopath to hit him and leave him there to die of hypothermia..
That's why they have that other charge in there. Negligent homicide or something of the like ...
Exactly a narcissistic psychopath. John’s family and friends in tears and she only had smirk when seeing John’s last images at the bar, apparently approving herself.
That’s why intent is the real question. She’s drunk texting him FUs left and right minutes before or after ‘dropping him off’. She’s the last one to see him alive. She’s the one who finds the body in the dark in 6” of snow. Immediately after she finds the body she’s yelling ‘I hit him’ ‘I hit him’ ‘I hit him’. Again, intent is the real question. In this case the defense ‘someone else or the dog did it’ is aimed at even a single juror believing the smoke and mirrors.
plus you'd have to believe that o'keefe would bend over and stay like that while she was backing up so that her car would hit him in the head
VINNIE P. The Man.The Myth. The Legend!!!!!!!!!!!!
One thing i find odd is how the witnesses always describe their hands or another drivers hands at 10 and 2 .
Freudian slip: He (Colin) wasn't in the house when John was there....
I have texts that has the day of the week then a , followed by date and time AND NO ,,,,, within in it.
100% that screen capture is fake
@@gateshead_angel EXACTLY!
Speaking about Colin, Allison says, He's not at the house when John was there! Play it at the 10:20-24 time o this video!
There's a difference between IN and AT. Stop trying so desperately to "prove" some ridiculous conspiracy and leave these ppl alone. May this mob mentality Never happen to any of us.
@@tcreative8030 John O'Keefe reported Chris Albert's son Colin for dealing drugs which led to his arrest- MOTIVE‼️Jen McCabe Brian Albert's sis in law googled " How long to die in cold" at 2:37 am‼️Autopsy shows John was beaten to death & dog bites‼️ Proctor texted his friend's how they won't investigate them‼️Judges brother defended Albert & they call her "Aunt Bev"‼️ Cop Cover Up May that not happen to YOU
@@tcreative8030that was a Freudian slip!! And so many noticed I’m sure the jury did too then she went right into tears.
The tears looked staged and she's lying. This case is as dirty as the Murdaugh case. They run the town of Canton.
John was there. He was run over in the front yard. What is the point?