Carenado Beechcraft 17 Staggerwing | Full Flight Review | Microsoft Flight Simulator
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In this video, we test out the Microsoft / Carenado Beechcraft 17 Staggerwing within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We'll be carrying out a short flight around Catalina Island, as usual putting the aircraft through its paces as we go.
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
MSI B550M
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 4.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
32GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight! - Hry
The 985 is pretty easy to manage, settings wise. With a Hartzell heavy prop: Takeoff- 36"/2300 Come back to 30"-2000 as soon as you're positive rate and cleaning up. Can maintain that for climb. Cruise power starts at 28"-1900 and can vary all over between 19"- 1750.
Anything like this Staggerwing, swinging a big Hamilton Standard prop, they tend to like to turn slower. Cruise an inch lower, and listen for RPM smoothness. They're phenomenal engines, and very easy to manage, once you learn to take care of them.
I love your content lately! It's been a treat. Your videos are a nice reminder for me to update my sim, and check out new aircraft releases. Keep them coming please!
Thanks very much for the info Dan, very much appreciated! That’s exactly the kind of thing I would have loved to have known from Carenado haha. I’m sure flying this sort of machinery in the real world is an absolute joy!
Really happy to hear you’re enjoying the content! MSFS certainly still has its issues, but its slowwwly getting there I think. Certainly no harm in updating it and checking things out anyway (well, could be harmful to the bank balance I suppose ha).
Thanks very much and all the best! : )
The Staggerwing brings back fond memories. When I graduated from high-school (1970) I immediately got a dream job at our new airport as a line-boy. We had one large community hangar and not long after the airport opened, a local jeweler decided to store his red Staggerwing in our hangar. He did not fly it much so, consequently, it ended up being stored in the back corner of the hangar. My fellow line-boy, Skip, and I used to dread when the owners received a call that "Henry Line wants his plane out". That meant hand-pulling out all the other planes in the hangar and then, with the greatest of efforts, moving the "beast" (which never seemed to have enough air in the tires) out to the ramp so Henry could make a brief flight up to Carlisle (PA) to buzz the town and then return. Henry did give Skip and I a ride in the Staggerwing one time and I still recall how loud it was in the cockpit when he went full-throttle. I never experienced anything like it before. Wonderful days back then. BTW - there was always a drip pan kept under the engine as it dripped oil more than I perspired on a humad day.
A lovely story Dennis, thanks very much for sharing!
I sometimes wonder if I chose the wrong career; I always wanted to fly, but it must be much nicer cruising around in your own Staggerwing, rather than carrying out a night turn-around ha! I wonder how easy it is to retrain as a jeweller. . .
I spent some time as a hangar skivvy myself, so I can definitely empathise. I’d say all of your efforts were probably justly rewarded, if you got a ride in the thing though - wonderful!
Thanks again and all the best : )
Your channel is one of the VERY FEW that I always watch the full intro. You always have an appropriate intro and is a pleasure to watch. Thanks for taking the extra time and effort for that! !! !!!
Thanks very much Mark! Very kind of you to say and lovely to hear of course.
I’m no Steven Spielberg haha, but I like to try and create a bit of a vibe where I can. The more “cinematic” side of the channel is something I enjoy and I feel the mix between that and the realistic operations, gives the channel its own little “niche” (usually it’s one or the other).
My pleasure as always! Thanks again for watching : )
I love the lines of the stagger wing.
This is an Absolutely Beautiful Airplane.
What a beautiful intro !!!👍
Yup. He's a past master at intros and they always bring a warm smile to my face.
Thank you very much Glendathu!
I was quite pleased with how the initial transition turned out (first time I’ve tried doing that), so I’m very happy you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
Haha “a master’ is probably generous John, but I’m certainly happy to hear that they bring a little smile : )
Thanks as always!
I loved the intro with the fade from the post card to the MSFS scenery. I am 11 seconds in and will love more of the video, lol. Thank you.
Thanks very much Aaron. I was quite pleased with how that turned out (a first attempt), so I’m very happy to hear you enjoyed it! I fear the first 11 seconds was actually the best bit haha, but I hope you found the review informative nonetheless XD
Thanks again and all the best! : )
Yet another superb video. The one thing I seem to remember about the Staggerwing were those coiled sprung undercarriage legs. I had a number of flights in a certain British registered one in the 1990s and when operating on grass it seemed to bounce all over the place when landing back on. My friend, always knew when we were about to touch down as both of my legs went to the right, as if I was a downhill skier! Really enjoyed flying in here, and this video has brought back a lot of good memories. Thank you.
Thank you very much once again Martin! Gosh, you really have been fortunate to fly some wonderful machines over the years : )
Ok, well I’ll give Careando the benefit of the doubt on the Staggerwing being a bit bouncy then haha. Maybe I’ll have to try employing the downhill skiing technique for my next landing! : P
I’m glad the video brought back some good memories - it’s always nice to reminisce.
Thank you always for watching and all the best!
Really nice video, particularly the intro and music (reminded me of Barry Gray). I had only just finished my first couple of flights in this in VR when I saw you already had your review up. One thing I did notice on my first attempts is the issue of the flight crashing due to stress if you open a window in flight or on takeoff. I had a lot of fun in P3D with this model and will be enjoying it even more in this sim. Great review.
Thanks as always Terry!
I just admit, I’m not familiar with Barry Gray (I did google, but that seems to bring up references to the Thunderbirds and Captain Scarlett composer and whilst they’re of course both excellent shows, I’m not quite sure what they have in common with my intro haha?).
I generally have aircraft stress turned off in MSFS, for exactly this reason. It’s rare that I’ll come close to overdressing an airframe, whereas I often like to cruise around with the window open etc : )
I didn’t have this one myself in P3D, but I can definitely see myself enjoying it quite a bit in MSFS!
Thanks as always for watching. Happy flying!
Serious props for your work on the intro here - best I've ever seen!
😊👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks very much indeed Michael! That’s very kind of you to say and thoroughly appreciated. I’m really glad you enjoyed it! Cheers and all the best : )
Well done. Catalina with that scenery is one of my favourite stops!
Thanks Jeremy!
Yeah, there is something really nice about Catalina Island airport, it’s very satisfying to fly into and the scenery is indeed great!
All the best : )
Excellent video once again, mate.
I picked this up myself yesterday. I am impressed with it, it's got that usual Carenado polish visually, and the controls feel weighty and solid, to me overall. I think this is one of the better Asobo aircraft offerings, I personally enjoy flying the Aviat Husky too but this is better, in my opinion. Well worth the £12.
Haha, well I thoroughly agree; it’s one of the better Asobo offerings, but sadly that’s probably because Asobo had little-to-nothing to do with it XD
I do rather enjoy it myself, but I still hope the handling on takeoff / landing gets a little bit of tweaking.
Cheers as always! : )
Thank you for another excellent review. I especially liked the intro, beautifully made :) I'm still torn wether to get the Staggerwing. It is a beautiful plane, price is okay, but I already have a nice collection of really good GA planes in MSFS. Among them the wonderful Carenado C337, which I love to fly.
Thanks very much as always Volker!
Hehe, it’s always the same conundrum isn’t it; too many addons and not enough money XD
The Staggerwing definitely has its charm and it’s speed makes appealing (to me at least) for some longer cross country legs. Obviously it’s a pretty fair price as well. Still, no need to rush into these things. Sit on it for a while and see if it still takes your fancy in a week or so perhaps ; )
The C337 is great! Just did another flight in it the other day actually : )
Cheers!
This is the 3rd video of yours that I have watched and I have now subscribed. This is a really cool channel.
Hi Las, well thanks very much! Really glad you’re enjoying the content. Welcome aboard! : )
Greetings! I put together some checklists for the Staggerwing in a video (Pilot the Beechcraft D17 Staggerwing- Essential Checklists- How to Start & Fly the 1932 Classic- 4K) just uploaded to my channel. They were complied from various sources. Cheers and blue skies!
Hello!
Ah well thank you very much for taking the time to do that! I shall definitely check it out when I get a moment : )
It’s a shame that Carenado / Asobo didn’t provide anything, but it’s always great to see how the community gets together and sorts this stuff out haha.
Thanks again and all the best!
Very nice opening fade to the scenery! May steal that idea! 😂 It’s great how this aircraft has made us all nostalgic!
Thank you sir!
First time I’ve tried that and I must admit, I was quite pleased with the result haha.
As you can probably imagine; I’m afraid the royalties demanded, as a result of using the “Into the Blue Simulations (TM) - patented video fade solution”, would be quite extraordinary! XD
Very nice to see you over here on the channel by the way! I very much enjoy your content. As you say, the Staggerwing definitely invites a bit of nostalgia - luckily I didn’t go for the full spin in my video though haha!
Cheers and all the best! : )
What a beautiful intro. Nice review!
Thank you very much Jorge, much appreciated! I’m very glad you enjoyed both the intro and the review : )
All the best!
another good review I did purchase it felt I needed something fun
Cheers Mike! I do hope the staggering provided the fun you were after then : )
Happy flying flying and all the best!
John Ritchie, once again THANK YOU .Thank you to DAN for letting us learners with your information,just great.
Hi John,
Thanks very much for watching once again.
Yeah, some really great advice from Dan there, very much appreciated! It’s a shame Carenado weren’t able to put out some basic documentation for the aircraft, but it’s great to see the community chipping in and getting the job done!
Cheers : )
Well, as far as cheesy intros go, you've outdone yourself! Seriously, it seems that we have another curate's egg. (remember that?) Excellent review. The aircraft looks gorgeous, and I think I'll pick it up, and hope that Carenado do some more work on it. I second your thanks to Dan fpor his most informative comments.
Cheesy sir? Cheesy?? : P
I was rather pleased with how that transition at the start worked out haha, so, I’m glad people seemed to enjoy it generally.
I did remember curate’s egg this time! (although I still googled it again, just to make sure my memory was serving me correctly ha). I think that’s a fair assessment, although I do think it’s a decent offering for the price (if they could just brush up the takeoff / landing characteristics, I think it’s a pretty nice aircraft to fly overall).
Ahhhh, someone else was thanking “Dan” and I was wondering who on Earth Dan was haha - I’ve just put two and two together. Indeed very helpful and very informative - very much appreciated! I ought to pin his comment actually. . .
For the price, I think you’ll enjoy this one. Even if it’s just to cruise around for a bit and then just look at it sitting on the ground ; )
Thank you as always John! : )
Nice review once again. I imagine those struts inside the cockpit would be real skullbusters. Our late prince Bernhard used to fly a Stangerwing.
Thanks Coenraad!
Haha, at first I thought exactly the same; "how many times would you hit your head on those!". Then I thought, "what on earth would happen if you crash??" : O
Ah lovely. I guess when you're a Prince, you can pretty much fly whatever you like XD Then again, I believe Prince Phillip was effectively banned from flying (one of his passions), so perhaps not after all!
Cheers : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Oh boy, i did not even think about a crash, but you are right. Yikes.
Dare i even ask what Prince Philip did to piss of the aviation authoroties? Would imagine they don't care to much about royal status when swinging the banhammer :D
Haha, I don’t think he did anything to piss off the authorities, it was much worse than that. . . I think he pissed off his wife! XD
I did a little bit more reading afterwards actually. Seems he was only “grounded” (in many senses of the word haha) for a fairly short period of time and actually flew privately into the 90’s. Actually quite a few close family members of both his and the Queen died in air crashes though, so perhaps one of the reasons why people weren’t so keen on him doing it.
Excellent review as always 👍👍👍
Thank you very much and take care
Thank you as always sir!
Has the Staggerwing been added to your virtual hangar?
Hope you’re keeping well : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations haha not yet but it will be happen in this evening👍
Hehe. Enjoy! : )
10:29 that strong msfs swing should be a thing of the past when the native propeller simulation gets implemented
A very valid point Homie. I wonder though, given that the new prop physics will apparently be optional, whether the likes of Carenado et al will even bother to make use of the new physics. . . I certainly hope so!
Cheers and all the best : )
I think it's more to do with the ground friction, which apparently they are also going to rework
Well it’s great that Asobo are finally looking into fixing these sorts of behaviours at any rate : )
Come across your video and I have it for over a year now and I still love the Cadilac of the skies🛫✈️🛬
I’m glad to hear you’re still enjoying the Staggerwing, Jasper. Happy flying and all the best : )
awesome video again Sir!!
Thank you very much once again sir, much appreciated! I’m glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
I like this sim aircraft but easy to get into trouble, if you're anything like me not paying attention. I forgot to switch tanks and didn't realise until the engine cut out with a fuel warning light lol. Nice one to hand fly and I like flying this low above the towns and roads especially in the alps quite relaxing. The only thing I struggle with is landing I do tend to bounce. The 8 something pounds I paid for it on sale I'd say worth it.
Glad you’re enjoying the Staggerwing NG! It is indeed a very relaxing aircraft; well, until the engine cuts out at any rate XD
I haven’t had a chance to fly the Beech in a while, I should get back into it. . . Cheers and happy flying! : )
I'll pass on the aircraft but absolutely loving the style of your recent video intro's ..excellent 😀
Your usual indepth ,interesting and informative review ..thanks 👍
Haha, well that’s ok Centurion - you can hold whatever opinions you like on the aircraft, so long as you’re enjoying the content! ; )
Thanks very much for the kind words, it’s great to hear of course and very much appreciated!
All the best : )
Nice review 😎
Thank you sir! Very much appreciated as always : )
I've only flown it once so far and I like it.
Happy to hear you’re enjoying it thus far SGF! I really rather enjoy it myself overall as well.
Happy flying! : )
How beautiful this aircraft is 😍
It’s gorgeous isn’t it! And once again Carenado have certainly done a very nice job of recreating every rivet in detail : )
Cheers!
Lovely aircraft.
Hi Andrew,
Yes, the Staggerwing is a beautiful aeroplane and Carenado’s rendition of it isn’t half bad.
Cheers and all the best! : )
After your video I got this to fly when I'm playing MSFS on my Steamdeck and it's the perfect legacy aircraft for me. The gamepad style controls mean I don't notice much problems with the flight model anyway. But I'm not installing MSFS again on my PC to try this 'for real', I'm really what it will be like running at the proper fidelity!
Hi Joris,
Ah well I'm really glad you're enjoying it! As always, a very beautiful rendition of the aircraft from Carenado and indeed a great option for casually cruising around (in vintage style) I would say.
I'm glad the video was useful in helping you decide! Happy flying : )
YESSSSS I've been waiting ages to see a Staggerwing in FS!!
Haha, well I hope it’s been worth the wait then Russell! ; )
The flight model could use some tweaks (in my opinion), but otherwise it’s another nice offering from Carenado and a beautiful aircraft for sure! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I'll put up with a lot to use this as my daily driver, hopefully though it will get better down the line too!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Ok I have a question, which wasn't obvious from the video, is the tail wheel lock the push pull knob to the left of the parking brake? only in my plane that knob is labelled tail hook extend/retract. the issue I have is that as soon as I power up on the runway I get a violent shimmy at very low speed, along with loud rumbling sound effect, which translates to a violent left or right bank as soon as I take off...very confused!
Hehe, understandable!
I think the Staggerwing is nice to fly overall and the lack of autopilot isn’t really an issue, given it’s stability. I liked it, I just found takeoff / landing to be a little bit of a chore as opposed to a pleasure. It wouldn’t need much polishing up, to make it excellent value for money though!
Happy flying! : )
Yes Russell, indeed it is. That’s strange; do you mean the tooltip has it labelled as the tail hook, or the cockpit labelling itself? On my aircraft the cockpit labelling is “Tailwheel Lock”.
I’m not really sure what could be accounting for that behaviour - it almost sounds like maybe the tailwheel is locking at an angle of something? Is that happening with one particular livery, or have you tried others (not that it should make a difference I suppose)?
I certainly haven’t experienced the behaviour you’ve described with the aircraft. . . Hopefully we can figure it out.
Cheers!
Brought to you by the sounds of smooth accordion.
Haha! On this channel, flight simulation is very much a secondary feature to accordion sound-bites! XD
We used to have one of those that flew out of 52F over the hill from us. Oooo, it sounded nice and was beautiful. The old guy dug a ditch with it so it was salvaged by someone and I've heard has a new home now.
Added in Edit: I held very few hours over 35 years ago but every single engine I was in P factored to the left requiring right pedal. This sim looks beautiful but from what I've learned about the limited physics and native aircraft support (I.E. helicopters without an add on), seems like FSX was a better all around simulator for flying realism, especially with the A2A physics package for aircraft.
I’ll bet it sounded wonderful Kyle! A shame that the owner took up ploughing with it haha (I do hope he was ok!), but I’m glad to hear she got fixed up and is back in the air.
Without a doubt, flight modelling is not a strength of MSFS at the moment. That being said, I don’t think it’s as bad as some make out. It does do some things well and I think a lot of the issues now come down to how much work the devs actually put into their aircraft (whereas initially I think the sim / SDK was a genuine cause of many issues). The Kodiak for example is very nice to fly - so it can be done! I’m not too surprised that Careando didn’t put in the hard yards with the flight model, but to be fair their Waco had big issues when it released and they’ve fixed that up now, so hopefully they will do the same with the Staggerwing. Still, I think we’re all waiting on A2A haha!
All the best : )
That intro was sick
Haha, thank you very much Mookie! Glad you enjoyed it : )
Very beautiful bird, I sense the D18S fallowing soon.
Oooo, yes please!!
I’m very much looking forward to the Wing 42 Boeing 247, but the Beech 18 is a much more elegant looking aircraft.
Cheers! : )
Such a great review again, as always. Since MSFS Carenado improved a lot in their Flightmodels, cockpit lights and updates, compared to what they did in P3D. i wanted to purchase this one, but saw a few things in your review that will keep me away from it being the flightmodeling and the strut in front of our face. In the real a/c we can easy look around but not here. I wonder if the breakout to the right on your landing could have been prevented when you lined up better with the runway on that Xwind. Thanks for the reviw !
The issue with the strut is most probably because he’s using TrackIr, for the default camera angles it has some different positions that allow to see stuff obstructed by the strut. The only issue with the default camera angles is that not a single one is good for taxiing the plane.
Regarding flight modeling for me the only real issue seems to be the landing. It does seem to be bumpy unless the plane is fully stalled on touch down, seen that also on a few other taildraggers. For me I didn’t have the aircraft veering to one side on touchdown like on this video, I wonder if that was a crosswind or something like that.
For the takeoff “kick” on most aircraft I’ve learned to minimize it by just going 50% throttle first and the after the aircraft starts rolling advancing throttle to 100% at a moderate pace.
Thanks very much Ben! Glad you enjoyed it.
I agree. I’ve been saying for a while now that Carenado have really upped their game (so far) coming into MSFS. The products have generally been done to a higher quality *and* (more importantly) they’ve been pretty proactive with patches / fixes etc. Hopefully it continues!
The strut probably is exacerbated by TrackIR and the viewpoint I chose. One can definitely move the camera to minimise the struts interference (a little). Apparently the FSX / P3D version (wisely) had an option to remove the strut, but not here it seems. I hope Carenado add in such an option at a later date. The flight modelling is so-so. It’s nice to fly, but I wasn’t massively impressed with how it handled on takeoff / landing. Carenado fixed up their Waco though, so helpfully they’ll do the same with the Staggerwing (and it isn’t completely awful at the end of the day).
The crosswind might have come into play, but looking at the windsock I think it was only a few knots (always tricky to trust the windsocks in MSFS though). Others are saying that they haven’t experienced the swing, so maybe it was a crosswind issue. I wasn’t surprised to see the swing though, since it’s been a problem in the sim for a fair old while.
For the price, it’s quite a nice pickup honestly and I suspect it will get some improvements (unless Carenado have literally handed it over to Asobo).
I hope that clarifies things a little.
Cheers and all the best! : )
I actually think the steady/controlled flight characteristics are quite realistic! Almost any plane will fly very smoothly in ideal conditions (like here) and when trimmed up correctly.
Hi Silvy,
Well it would really depend on the aircraft of course (and I have no idea how the Staggerwing actually flies). I agree that one would expect most aircraft to fly smoothly unless disturbed, but I’d be surprised to see an aircraft to maintain a constant angle of bank (over a longer period of time), without any input from the pilot. Again though, it might be accurate behaviour from the Staggerwing for all I know haha.
All the best! : )
Looks ace but flies like its on rails...Thanks for the vid. Cheers.
Haha, you summed it up much more succinctly than I managed to Andy! XD
but yes, I would have to agree with you on that one. . .
All the best!
I tried a power off stall with full flaps in this, and MY GOD does this like to spin! I got into a flat spin where full rudder and down elevator wasn't anywhere near enough to recover. In the end, I needed full aileron into the spin, AFT elevator and full opposite rudder. I recovered 6,000ft later 0-0
Haha, I saw cgaviator’s video, where he experienced the same thing. I was quite lucky I tried my spin at relatively low altitude then and naturally had to recover after one revolution - otherwise it probably would have been an abrupt end to the video XD
I must have just caught the spin in time during my flight, it did come as quite a shock that I had to put some rudder in to correct!
I’ve no idea whether the above is true to life of the real-world Beech 17, but I guess this one doesn’t like to be mishandled at any rate!
Cheers James : )
My disappointment that this isn't an AN-2 is immeasurable, but eh this is still a nice plane
I was fully expecting this to be a; “my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined” (I don’t know if the reference makes any sense to you haha).
It’s definitely a shame that the AN-2 has been delayed. I hadn’t initially realised it was going to be the AT Simulations AN-2 (I thought Asobo were doing there own); when I found that out, I was pretty gutted myself!
Hopefully the aircraft will still make an appearance in due course and hopefully everything will calm down a bit in its home country as well.
All the best!
Wow those cockpit struts are a health hazard, you could knock yourself out on those 😁
Haha, I was thinking exactly the same myself. I meant to make mention of it during the review, but it somehow slipped my mind (perhaps I’d virtually banged my head one too many times haha). I can only imagine what they would do for survivability in a crash! : O
All the best! : )
I've read in a couple places 80 mph is good on final at -500 ft/min, and land with a tad of power with a tail-low wheel landing. But you would have had a very long landing with all that extra speed! I have been flying it and with this flight model it eats a lot of runway floating right above the ground forever. The balance seems off on it too. Regardless of different weight configurations I've tried, the tail likes to drop dramatically on even the smoothest wheel landings. Several videos of the plane IRL with arguably rougher landings show the tail stays stable on touchdown. I've suspected for a while that Carenado aircraft in MSFS have balance issues.
Hi Nick,
Thanks very much for the info / advice. I shall give it a go!
Yes, I think a “heavy” tail is a sim issue as much as anything. Most of the addon tail draggers I’ve tried in the sim, seem to either like being on their tail or flying and not much in between. Not exactly sure what might be the issue there. . .
Thanks again and all the best! : )
Just noticed, in the external shot of the takeoff the right wheel stopped turning instantly when it left the ground, I think I only noticed it because the wheel is textured enough to have an obvious difference between turning and not turning. Got me curious now about what other planes do :)
Hi ceegnz,
Hmm, interesting - someone else mentioned the same observation on another video. I suspect it might be to do with the flight recording tool I’m using. Overall it does a great job, but I think it throws a few animations etc out of whack. For example, if I load up a replay with the flight paused, the wheels will be spinning even when the aircraft is stationary.
Otherwise, I suppose it’s just a little bit of a peculiarity on Carenado’s part (but I expect it’s the former).
Cheers! : )
its a good airplane i have this a legend 👍
Glad you’re enjoying this one Raiden! It’s certainly a beautiful aircraft and good fun to fly overall : )
Cheers!
I want Carenado to design a Military Jet.
Carenado did do a (prop) Military trainer back in the day Hero, but that’s about as close as they’ve ever gotten haha. I imagine they will be sticking with civilian aircraft for the foreseeable future I’m afraid ; )
All the best : )
Nice intro.
Thanks very much Kiembeni! Much appreciated : )
A beautiful aircraft, it is stagger...wing 😄 (see what I did there)
Nice review, thanks!
Haha, indeed Davide XD
Well, it’s not *the* Carenado biplane video you were after, but it is *a* Carenado biplane video - so we’re getting closer! : P
Glad you enjoyed the vid. Thanks for watching! : )
I'm relieved this was released without any major issues. I was quite a fan of the FSX version even with it being a Carenado (well Alabeo technically) and I've been waiting for them to release an MSFS version for a while. But after finding out it was gonna be a Micosoft published bird and after the disappointments with the two Living Legends I was a bit apprehensive and so I've been waiting for reviews and impressions. Looks like I'll be picking it up, especially at this price!
Also I found a handbook for the C-34 which is the US military designation for the D17S. There might be some differences but from what I can gather they were basically just civilian planes pressed into military service so I dit should still be applicable. There's a section which covers engine settings for a bunch of different engines that this bird came with. The one simulated is the R-985-AN-1 I believe, well it was in the FSX Alabeo version and I'm assuming they kept the specs the same for MSFS.
Here's a link if you or anyone else wants it: drive.google.com/file/d/1Jvuy0ou3huQX0lVntAXxJISziI4sSw9S/view?usp=sharing
Thanks a lot for the review.
Bought it and flying it around, quite nice! Figured out the fuel tank selectors. Top selector three positions are MAIN drains from Center 1, LU drains from Left Main and you switch it to Lower Valve to stop draining from those two tanks and use one of the tanks on the lower selector instead. So with Lower Valve selected the lower selector has RU to drain from Right Main and LL and LR to drain from Left Aux and Right Aux tanks. So set what tank you want to use on the lower selector and then switch the top to Lower Valve to actually start using those tanks!
It’s honestly now getting to the point with Carenado in MSFS, that I don’t go into the review with a preemptive wince on my face. Sure all of their products have still released with bugs, but none of them have been game-breaking and Carenado have been very proactive with patching them up (as proactive as the Marketplace seems to allow at any rate). So overall I had reasonable hopes for this one and the aircraft met them. At the price as well, it’s a very decent offering. Still hoping the ground handling gets tweaked though. . .
Thanks very much for the manual! I’ll definitely take a little bit of a dive into that at some point : )
All the best!
Think I’ve just about wrapped my head around that one haha. Thank very much for the explanation!
If you ask me, seems a bit of an omission on Beechcraft’s part, that they didn’t just fit the aircraft with a Fuel Control and Monitoring Computer - pop the fuel pumps on and job’s a good’n! - much easier! XD
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It generally helps that with their GA stuff they're mostly kind of simple so would take a bit of effort to screw up, although some do manage even that! That said I was reading a flight report by an owner of one of these fantastic machines in the modern day and he mentioned that the D17S required a fair bit of rudder use and how it doesn't really like to sit nice and level so you're constantly having to hold the yoke in place to keep it flying straight and level, so the flight model is probably a bit too simplified really. Still for a 12.50 or whatever quid plane you can't argue and she's still nice to fly around. Looks and sounds fantastic too!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations LOL. Oh I also read that the central tank is kinda treated like a reserve (even though it holds a few more gallons than the other tanks) as it's the tank you're supposed to use for taking off and landing. So for best results I guess you gotta juggle the wing tanks in the cruise and then if you're like me; forget how long you've been running one tank down for and then wonder why your plane is starting to tilt to one side before realising your mistake. Happens more often than I'd like to admit, especially with the Piper Arrows.
@Into the Blue Simulations
Another great video, thanks!
I'm always amazed how smooth you look around the cockpit. Are you using TrackIR or some other solution? I never could get it to work this nicely or I don't know how to use it properly. If I just look around, keeping my head in place, it works OK. But the moment I start moving my head the result is completely different from what I'd expect. The camera just changes to strange positions and angels.
Would you be so kind to share your settings in TrackIR (or some other software)? Maybe make a video on it.
I was going to ask you the same
Hi Lukasz,
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed the video.
From what you’re describing, it sounds as though you perhaps have a mismatch between your hardware (Track Clip Pro or Track Hat Clip) and what’s selected in the app; otherwise some background light interference perhaps (those are the two things that tend to cause jumping around like that).
I’d be happy to share my profile and you can see if that helps. Just send me an email to intotheblueinbox@gmail.com and I’ll send it over when I get the chance.
Thanks again and all the best! : )
Hi AgPilot,
Same as above to Lukasz then; please feel free to send me an email to intotheblueinbox@gmail.com and I’ll send my profile over when I get a free moment.
Cheers! : )
You have a lot of sunlight in your room or something? I find at certain times of day my TrackIR is unusable because of the stray sunlight; it get confused between the reflection off the reflectors and the bits of sunlight that make it through the blinds.
@@joemarkowski4465 No. TrackIR by itself works fine. It's more how the movement of my head is translated into the sim. It doesn't translate very well. Often feels like it only follows XYZ axis, so I don't have full control over how the camera moves.
Great crate. Only gripe i have is that cockpit tail wheel lock does not seem to work. Mapped a button for it making landing and take off more doable.
Yeah, the Staggerwing is a nice bird overall. I didn’t realise that the tailwheel lock control wasn’t working - that explains a few things haha. A few others had mentioned assigning a button, but I’d like to see Carenado fix that up then though.
Cheers for the info and all the best! : )
Its the fucking Catalina Wine Mixer!
Haha, I definitely had to google this one Ryan! XD
Thanks for the review. Definitely a pass for me as it is for now. We'll see how it evolves.
Thanks Zaelu, you’re most welcome!
That’s understandable. It will be interesting to see how this one evolves; Carenado have done a fairly decent job with updating their aircraft thus far, Asobo less so. I presume Carenado will still have the reins on this one though. . .
Cheers! : )
it won't. They'll just move on to their next half baked product. Too many non-pilots who don't care about anything but looks
“Ye have little faith” sir, haha! In fairness, Carenado have been fairly proactive with patches in MSFS thus far. The Waco for example flies way better now, than it did on release. I agree that most “Asobo” offerings to date have seen little care and attention thereafter though. So it will really depend on whether Carenado is still at the reins, or whether the product was literally handed over to Asobo.
All the best!
I had this Alabeo Staggerwing in FSX (I believe Alabeo and Carenado are one in the same). It was a bit more expensive than this current offering and I wonder if that has anything to do with the lack of some features. I know the FSX/P3D version has a reduced price now. I don't plan to buy one at this point, I'm saving my money for the upcoming Aeroplane Heaven DC-3 and PDMG 737. Both are due shortly. Loved the video, especially the intro. 😊
I looked at the aircraft a couple of times for P3D, but I knew it wasn’t one that I would fly all that much in the sim. In MSFS I can see myself flying it quite a bit more though and it’s a very fair price! I think the main reason the price is lower, is that Asobo took it under their wing and as a result it’s been charged at their usual prices.
There’s definitely a lot of interesting addons not too far around the corner though, saving the pennies might not be a bad idea! ; )
I’m glad you enjoyed the intro, I was quite pleased with how the fade turned out (first time I’ve tried that).
Thanks as always for watching! : )
The price is simply Asobo/Microsoft. That is the price they charge, and their planes sell. Good for Carenado even at a discount. They are selling far more of this than they would without the tie in.
At least in theory.
In any case, this is what Asobo charges for their 1st and 2nd party planes.
Yes, that’s what I figured Tori : )
Cheers!
@11:46 where is that roar Carenado! czcams.com/video/B6hRaMq5CLc/video.html - why do Carenado have to hold back with the sounds.. sounds bring our virtual aircrafts to life! Great review ITBS, such a pretty aircraft
Yeah, Carenado definitely could have done better with the sounds on this one. In some respects, when you aren't going for "study level" in the systems / flight modelling department, you really hope to hear some excellent sounds all the more (to go along with the beautiful visual model). I'd be very surprised if we see any further work on the sounds though sadly. . .
Thanks as always! All the best : )
Is this the ORBX Catalina scenery or the freeware one?
Hi Steve,
It’s the freeware one (from flightsim.to). A very nice piece of freeware overall!
All the best : )
Another great video informative and a very good review. This one is not for me though😉
Thank you very much once again sir!
I’m glad the review was useful in helping you to decide - that’s the aim of the game at the end of the day! ; )
All the best! : )
what are your sensitivity numbers for your yoke
Hi Addicted,
I run everything at default except for rudder, where I use a -50 curve. The sim is a little overly sensitive in general on the controls, but the rudder is by far the most significant issue (so I find the curve helps a bit with that).
All the best! : )
Nice video but my model has very poor flight characteristics. I am unable to get the correct response to my flight controls. I have even removed the files and reinstalled the files. I really want to like this.
Hello Kim,
That sounds (quite possibly) like a sim setting issue to me. Just check and make sure that your sim’s flight model is set to “Modern” and not “Legacy” (under settings) - that’s usually the culprit when the aircrafts behaviour is completely unreasonable.
Let me know how you get on there and then we can troubleshoot further if needs be.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank you it now works great. I'm enjoying the Beech.
Perfect! Happy to hear you got it sorted Kim : )
Happy flying!
The plane looks good. Carenado does much better job than Asabo. You should rip the half completed Asobo aircraft. Try opening doors on asobo planes. Ha ha.
I agree James, I did say as much in the video. I’ve enjoyed Carenado’s MSFS output thus far, especially given the price and this was another beautifully rendered aircraft from them.
I’m not looking to “rip” anyone necessarily, just give an honest critique. I agree that Asobo’s own aircraft have been sup-par to date overall. The Husky was ok, the Ju 52 would have been pretty good, but it was given a sub-par flight model and I did indeed have quite a lot of negative things to say about the Fokker FVII when that released (although really that was an Orbx aircraft).
All the best! : )
Don't those cockpit struts get in the way?
They do a little bit, particularly of the airspeed indicator. Of course you can adjust your view to minimise their impact, but I like to try and keep the view about where it would be. Apparently on the FSX / P3D version of the aircraft, it was possible to remove the struts - not on the MSFS version it would seem. Hopefully Carenado will add that as an option, as and when they update the aircraft.
Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Hi I read a comment there might be a click spot on a vent to "hide" the struts. Have you noticed this? I dont own the aircraft as yet
Hi Damon,
My understanding is that this was possible on the FSX / P3D versions, but not on the MSFS version. That may or may not be true. I haven’t found a click-spot myself though and without a manual, it’s difficult to know whether one actually exists.
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
Is Avalon a photogrammetry city yet?
I don’t believe so Khan. I was using a freeware scenery for Catalina Island in this vid (available from Flightsim.to) and I think it added in a couple of the major buildings in Avalon also (its a really nice scenery overall).
Cheers and all the best! : )
Orbx version of this island is great. Loads of detail and people and boats. We'll worth it. Much better than this free version
Ok, well I’ll have to have a look then David. Free is free haha, but I do like the odd flight out to Catalina, so it might be nice to have a better scenery still.
Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes the free one is good. And generally I don't buy much scenery as I still have the whole world to explore :-) But I'm one of Big Radials test pilots, or crash test dummies as they say. And their next release is ideal to fly around here. Then Orbx did this new version. It's great!
Haha, well I maaaay have been “inspired” by Big Radials actually. I saw their poster of the Goose / Avalon a few weeks ago and that popped into my head, when I was thinking where I could take the Staggering ; )
I hope the Goose is coming along nicely! I hope you haven’t crashed too many in the process : P
Cheers!
Your sensitivity settings needs adjusting.
Hi Gary,
What makes you say that?
can you open the doors?
There’s just the one door leading into the rear of the cabin (it would appear) Donald and yes it can be opened / closed : )
All the best!
Thanks for this review. Nice, pleasant performance. I got the Staggerwing yesterday from the MSFS marketplace. Unfortunately, this jewel is causing problems. During takeoff, it starts bumping on the runway at 15 knots. After takeoff the aileron becomes ineffective. I've never encountered thus problem with all my other planes. Uninstall and reinstall of aircraft no improvement. I'm flying on PC, Sim Update 8.
Here is a capture.
czcams.com/video/zc-SCkSFaQM/video.html
Hi Marco,
Sorry for the slow reply. Are you still having issues? The first thing I would suggest is to check your sim's flight model settings. Make sure you have the flight model set to "Modern" and not "Legacy" - that's usually the culprit for these types of strange behaviors.
If you don't have any joy with that, let me know and we'll see what we can figure out from there.
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for coming back. I was able to fix it by switching from realistic flight model to easy
Swing left and right left and right and you paid for this garbage.
Hi Howard,
Yep, as I mentioned during the video, the takeoff and landing characteristics need some work. I did indeed pay for the Staggerwing, primarily so that I could create this review and help people decide whether or not they want to purchase the addon - I take it in your case that would be a no then haha.
All the best!
Looks like a real beauty! Shame the flight model is not as pretty! The new prop physics don't appear to have been implemented? Caranedo will need to update it and issue a patch? Speaking of prop physics, have you tried the Bonanza development project from Flightsim.to? It uses the new prop physics and flies very nicely?
"Looks like a real beauty! Shame the flight model is not as pretty!" That's the definition of Carenado :) Not even going into system simulation depth.
Yes, I’m pretty sure the new prop physics haven’t been implemented here David. In fairness to Carenado, I guess they would have only had one day to do so haha.
Unfortunately the new prop physics are going to be “optional” apparently - I wouldn’t be surprised if the likes of Carenado forgo them altogether. Let’s hope not.
All the best!
Haha, not entirely unfair.
I do find that generally speaking their MSFS stuff has been of a higher quality and more consistent than some of their work in older sims though. They’ve also been pretty proactive with patches etc. For the price, I was expecting the final world in Staggerwing simulation ; )
Cheers Lukasz!