Carenado Pilatus PC-12 | Island Hopping in Japan | Full Flight Review | Microsoft Flight Simulator
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In this video, we test out the Carenado Pilatus PC-12 within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We'll be taking the aircraft on a flight from Kerama airport (ROKR), up to Suwanosejima airport (KJX8), trying to find out what the PC-12 has to offer.
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
MSI B550M
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 4.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
32GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight! - Hry
PC-12 Pilot here, the discrepency you noticed on your compass prior to takeoff is actually accurate. To get an accurate read off the compass you have to select windshield heat off. Interested to know if that was integrated into the sim or not.
Above the compass there's a small black placard in all the AC's I've operated telling you what equipment must be selected off to get an accurate compass read. It's windshield heat and cabin/foot heaters I beleive.
Great review
Hi BigMikers,
Thanks very much for the info, always good to hear from those in the know!
I did give that sort of thing brief consideration at the time, but I would have been shocked if Carenado had modelled things in such detail haha. I've just investigated a little further and it certainly appears to be a bug. The compass reads accurately on certain headings and not others; having put the aircraft through a 360 turn, the compass jumps straight from 330 degrees back to North, so that would account for the error. One of the many issues that Carenado will have to fix up with the PC-12 I think.
I'm really glad you enjoyed the video and thanks again for your time! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations interesting, I would have been pretty surprised if it was that detailed as well to be honest, but thanks for looking into it!
Cheers Mikers, my pleasure! : )
The PC 12 looks good. I am a real world PC12 pilot and something that was not mentioned in the pre-flight checks was the Pusher/Shaker test. You can not fly the PC 12 with an inoperable Pusher system. The PC 12 has an extremely violent stall characteristic.. without the Pusher/Shaker this airplane has a tendency to roll onto its back during a stall. There is a great Utube video of stall testing of the PC12, just search it. It shows stalls with and without Pusher/Shaker… One other comment, you mentioned the wet compass not aligned with the HSI. That is a common occurrence inmost of the PC12’s Ive flown due to windshield heat being turned on. The PC 12 is a GREAT aircraft and a joy to fly. I recently retired from the Air Ambulance Industry. We had a nick name for the PC 12. We called it the “Turbine Suburban”… Thanks for your Video, great content.
Hello Geoffrey,
Thanks very much for your input - always great to hear from guys in the know!
The stick shaker / pusher is indeed modelled on the Carenado PC-12 (an omission on my part there, neglecting to check it at the time), though the aggressive stall behaviour doesn't seem to be.
I did briefly consider that the compass error might have been intentionally modelled, but that would be very much out of character for Carenado, to go into such detail haha. Having done some further testing, the compass is indeed bugged - it goes straight through from 330 degrees back to due North.
I've never been near a PC-12 myself, but it does indeed look like a wonderful machine to fly! I shall have to stick with the virtual version for the time being and I'll be sure to check out that video when I get a chance : )
Thanks again and all the best!
Well, it would seem that Carenado have reached the "close enough" level of detail in the PC-12. My main issues are like you covered, the electrical system, and the sounds. While I have also never sat in the cockpit of a PC-12 during flight, I have stood in front of thousands of PT-6 powered aircraft during start up and taxi out and there were parts of the sounds there that made me cringe. The igniters popping faster as the engine lights off is incorrect, and both the ground and flight idle positions sound more like a C-130. It does however sound much closer to the real thing at higher power settings and the beta sounds spot on. I will close with a quote taken directly from the Carenado product page regarding the flight modeling. "Realistic flight dynamics compared to the real airplane. Realistic weight and balance. Tested by several pilots for maximum accuracy". Its been a long running joke in the sim community as to who exactly these pilots are that Carenado uses to validate their flight modeling. Like I said at the start, this seems to fit into a "close enough to reality" product for the Carenado target audience. With the SWS version in the works I cant wait to see a head to head comparison of both down the road. Thanks again for your great coverage of not only this product, but everything you cover for the community. Even if I know the product is something I never will own I will always watch your videos and give them a like for that sweet CZcams Premium watch time and likes that you certainly deserve. :)
czcams.com/video/Jb5e_FjZ3GA/video.html
I've sat in a PC-12 cockpit in flight and it sounds pretty much like that inside.
Thankyou :)
@@lawdpleasehelpmeno Overall I'd disagree, the engine sounds from the interior sound...okay. But it seems to be lacking a lot of the bells and whistles and a few other things you'd hear in the cockpit. I don't have it though so haven't tried it myself and only going off a few videos.
@@turbopropsandtailpipes7654 I mostly just meant the overall ambient noise sounds pretty good. I mostly remember it being pretty silent in the PC-12 cockpit. I found it surprisingly quiet given there was a huge prop at the front only a few meters away.
7:06 As a rampie, I see LabCorp PC-12s start up every night right in my face. The start-up sound is totally wrong in being an uninterrupted crescendo. In reality, you have this slow, low, crescendo of whine as the starter spools the engine up, then this WHOOF like a gas-fired water heater kicking off as the fuel is introduced, and then its a building roar increasing in pitch as the prop speeds up and comes out of feather, until it sounds like a jet.
Thanks very much for the info Bullet, always good to get some feedback from those in the know!
I wasn't sure whether or not the sounds were accurate. It's a shame that they aren't, although I still think the addon generally has a "good" soundset in its own right (the sounds are "plausible", if not true to life).
Cheers and all the best! : )
One thing I can say that I love while working at an airport (Rochester NY, KROC), is a PC12 Landing and Taking off our shortest runway (4,000ft), under 1,000ft. PlaneSense loves to do it.
Awesome :)
Hi Officialy2004,
Yes, I wasn't all that aware of it at the time, but it seems the PC-12 is rather underpowered during the takeoff unfortunately.
Thanks for the info! All the best : )
Thank you for covering the night lighting! As usual a wonderful review. I did a RTW in XP11 with Carenado's PC12 with the Reality Expansion Pack back in 2019 and this one looks even better!
You're most welcome Ohmmshoo! I try to remember the night lighting where I can haha (and for an addon such as this, it's a useful topic to cover for sure).
Without a doubt the Carenado PC-12 is visually stunning in MSFS, I suspect the REP version would have had it beat on systems etc though. I hope you enjoyed your round the world trip (it's quite an undertaking, but I found doing one to be an interesting / rewarding experience overall)!
Cheers and all the best : )
Solid and fun review as always! I just purchased the PC-12 over the weekend and, playing with it, it is a good effort in my opinion. The overall package feels pretty good, visuals from Carenado are always excellent and the dynamics make the airplane feel like a bigger airplane. I do wish Carenado would put some helpful data for flying the airplane by real world numbers (power settings, v-speeds, etc...) but overall I am pleased with the package. All the best and cheers from Seattle, sir!.
Thanks very much Andy!
I'm enjoying the PC-12 overall - I'm glad you are as well. It's a shame Carenado let a few big bugs slide, otherwise I think they would have been on for one of their best releases in the sim to date. Hopefully they will fix up the FPS and electrical issues at the very least.
The documentation is certainly a little light. If you want to take a look at the real-world manual, it can be found here:
www.pilatus-aircraft.com/de/customer-support/publications#pc-12/flightmanuals
Cheers again. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I appreciate the honesty in your reviews without bashing everything. I bought this plane last night and love it so far. I know there are a few issues from release but it has plenty of features when you don't have time to set up your pmdg or 310 (which I also have). It looks nice, flies decently and has working weather radar. Great for those days you don't have time to spend 30 minutes setting up a flight plan, atc, navmap, etc.
Thanks very much PTW! I'm really glad it comes across that way; I try my best to be objective and honest, but I don't think one needs to be rude / derogatory to give a critical opinion. I occasionally (albeit rarely) receive feedback that I am "too kind" during reviews, but I don't believe that to be the case - if I see an issue, I simply point it out (people can decide for themselves whether or not that is a "deal-breaker").
As you allude to, we all like different things. Some people wouldn't touch this type of addon with a bargepole (and fair enough), but others will enjoy it for sure. If Carenado can fix up the FPS and electrical issues, I'm sure I will continue to enjoy the PC-12 myself. To each his own!
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Good point there! They need to fix some of those issues and a bit of it relates to the Avidyne....
Yay the reviewer i was waiting for! Cheers bud.
Think ill be waiting for the other PC-12
Haha, thanks SN! My pleasure!
I think we can say with a high degree of certainty, that the SWS PC-12 is going to be the better option overall ; )
Cheers, all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations well if they can at least get the FPS issue resolved I may support the work for now but otherwise no ;)
Well done as always. Very helpful. Maybe a little late in getting the radar off, but no problem. That ramp boy wasn't planning on having any children.
Cheers Jay!
Haha, it's alright; after Fukushima, a little weather radar output shouldn't concern the locals too greatly : P
All the best! : )
Great review - thank you. Have a great weekend 😃
Thank you very much once again sir! I'm a week late. . . but to you also! ; )
Interesting cockpit. Nice review and a very impressive landing.
Thanks very much Gumper! Really glad you enjoyed the review and indeed the landing haha : )
All the best!
Another excellent video, like the new logo and intro too.
Thanks very much Holo, really glad you enjoyed it!
I’m happy you like the logo / intro; I figured it was a bit fresher and more modern + the old one didn’t really encapsulate the variety of flying that I try to do on the channel : )
Cheers and all the best!
Nice review. Thank you!
Thanks very much Zorg, glad you enjoyed it!
My pleasure and all the best to you : )
Nice captured very video,thanks for sharing your lovely videos.
Thanks very much Nelia! I'm glad you enjoyed it : )
My pleasure and all the best!
Great review as always thank you very much.
I think I’ll wait for the SWS version.
Thanks very much TriForce, really glad you enjoyed it!
That's probably a prudent move, if you're looking for a well-rounded PC-12, with a bit more fidelity etc.
My pleasure and all the best! : )
I love that you got a real pc12 immatriculation. HB-FPY was really here. 😊
If you have the 67B engine its 44 psi for takeoff then back to 36.9 for the climb (44 psi for no longer than 5 mins) 67P is 44 psi all the way up to cruise then back to 36.9 or max cruise torque or company itt
Thanks for the info Robert, much appreciated!
I wonder how far off Carenado's modelling of the engine is then; there's no way you'd be able to use 44psi in their PC-12 during the takeoff, without triggering an ITT caution. I presume that wouldn't be accurate, or is one allowed to exceed 800 degrees for a brief period at TOGA power?
Cheers and all the best! : )
Thanks for the review ITBS 🙂
You're most welcome! Always a pleasure Haden : )
Was waiting for you to do this one last night 😂
Haha, I was quick as I could be Dyeahna! I do hope you enjoyed it : )
Cheers!
Great review. It's a shame about the frame rate issues, I was looking forward to this release but I'll wait for now until after some patches hopefully address the problems. I still have my eye out for the SWS PC-12, hopefully we hear more about that one soon.
Yep - the frame rate issues kill it.
Thanks Mike, glad you enjoyed it!
Yes, the Carenado PC-12 could have been a great little addon for the price actually but as ever, Carenado have somewhat shot themselves in the foot with some disappointing bugs etc.
Definitely worth waiting a while if you're happy to do so and I suspect the SWS version of the PC-12 is going to be vastly superior at any rate.
Cheers : )
@@jonbeckett Did they ever fix this ? Knowing Crapenado... no ! 😂
Imagine showing this footage to somebody in even 2015 and telling that in a couple of years flight simulators will look like this!
I know, it's unbelievable really Mikko! As a lifelong simmer, it's amazing to see! Flight sim's have always tended to lag behind the rest of the gaming industry visually and I'm not sure I ever thought we'd get to this point (especially with Microsoft flight sims having been dead in the water for many years).
It's brilliant to be living through another golden age of flight simulation : )
Cheers, all the best!
Nice video, thanks.
Thanks very much Bill, glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
A very enjoyable video. I'll be hanging on for a better PC12 of which two are under development.
Thanks very much John, glad you enjoyed it! Haha, probably a prudent move if you're looking for a more well-rounded product (although if Carenado can fix up the bugs, I still think their PC-12 has its place in the sim).
Cheers : )
In the PC-12 47 series we use 44 psi as takeoff and 36 psi for climb 👍🏽
When do you transition from takeoff to climb?
@@VoluntaryPlanet Depends on the takeoff but usually between 1000-2000’ AGL
Hi Jordan,
Thanks very much for the pointer - always useful to know these sorts of things. I did find a performance table online, but perhaps that was for a different engine variant or something then. . .
44psi would definitely have caused an ITT caution in the Carenado PC-12, is that par for the course during a takeoff in the real aircraft (or simply an inaccuracy in the modelling)?
Cheers again. Much appreciated and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations No problem, it’s possible 44 can cause an ITT warning since they have a dynamic relationship, i.e if the temperature and pressure altitude is really high then you will have to use ITT for takeoff. Usually its between 42-44psi for takeoff though. It may be an inaccuracy, but not sure.
Ok thanks. I probably didn’t phrase my question very well there, but what I actually meant was, is it acceptable to trigger an ITT caution during the takeoff? From your answer, it seems not, so I think the Carenado model is in error, as it will always go above 800 degrees with 44psi.
Cheers : )
Great review. Mind not changed 🥴👍
Haha! Fair enough I think. I'm glad the review helped you to decide at any rate. The SimWorks Studios version, will no doubt be a more comprehensive recreation of the PC-12 ; )
Thanks for watching and all the best!
Great video, and a very balanced assessment. Re: the A/P, I did notice that you didn't press the small, lower 'Arm' button on the altitude selector. As per the real unit, the aircraft will not level out at the preselected altitude unless that button is pressed when altitude is preselected. Also, as others have pointed out in the comments, torque for take off in this model of the PC-12 is 44. Climb is 35.9 and max cruise torque will then be determined by max permissable ITT.
Thanks very much DROGE, I'm glad you enjoyed the video and felt it broadly hit the mark!
I don't recall now, but I'm sure you're correct with regards to me missing the "ARM" button. It's an issue I have with many addons - I'm used to Airbus logic haha.
Thanks very much re the info on power settings. Carenado didn't provide much detail on that one and I don't always have the time / resources to figure these things out accurately myself unfortunately.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Great video as always. Flying a PC12 is a bucket-list thing for me so I always get excited when I see one in a sim. What a shame that Carenado gets so much right but then always seem to fail on the little things which, although little, are so jarring they destroy the immersion and pleasure of the flight.
I have high hopes an update will come to fix the flight dynamics, electrics and auto-pilot (a diving 360... really!) at which point I'll happily buy this... and maybe you'll review it again if that happens?
Love your channel, thank you!
Never known more than one update for Crapendo.
But heh... miracles happen.
Cheers Adam!
Ah right, well it is a bit of a shame that Carenado didn't quite pull things off then. I'm hoping they will at least fix up the FPS and electrical issues (a little bit unforgiveable that they let both of those slide), at that point I think the addon will be pretty enjoyable if not perfect. Otherwise, we'll have the SWS PC-12 at some point and I'm sure that one will be a cracker!
I probably won't "review" the aircraft again per se, but I will almost certainly make another video with it. I'll hold off until there's been a patch and then at least I can demonstrate what has been fixed up.
Thanks again and have a great weekend! : )
Compass error is due to the windshield heats being on (it’s in the flight manual!) and is common in many aircraft with electric heat. What a fantastic rendition of this aircraft. The -45 (often called the Legacy) is my favourite version compared to the NG (very comprehensive avionics suite, but far too many bells and whistles for my old brain!) and seeing it faithfully reproduced like this brings back fond memories. Pilatus have pilots operating manuals on their website, get stuck in if you want to be fully conversant. Nice work and a very informative video, thanks…
Hi Quickstop,
Thanks for the info. Is that as per the actual POH, or the product manual? I would be shocked, if Carenado has modelled things in such detail. I did do a little investigation at the time and what I was referring to, certainly appeared to be a bug; the compass read accurately on certain headings and not others. Having put the aircraft through a 360 turn, the compass jumped straight from 330 degrees back to North, which would have accounted for the error.
I much prefer the legacy PC-12 also (you might well be interested in SimWorks Studios version although, the flight model still needs some work).
I’m glad you enjoyed the video - my pleasure! Thanks very much for watching and all the best : )
It’s in the aircraft POH, and you could be right if it’s just a spurious anomaly rather than superb technical accuracy 😆! Cheers…
Glad to see the Asobo pilots are a choice. Wish they'd let us make our own fuselage registrations.
Yep, I know that is most people's preferred option Mr S, seems I was in the very small minority who actually preferred the Carenado Pilots haha (I just think they were better modelled overall). I completely agree on the registrations and I can never understand why devs don't give us the option; one can always simply set the real-world registration either way, should they wish to do so. . .
Cheers, all the best! : )
I don't suppose you remember a bloke named Frooglesim? He was a Brit CZcamsr and did flight sims. He bailed out and left it behind. He was known for his super in-depth reviews, realistic and meticulous planning flights and adding a touch of humor when needed. You have taken over where he left off. If you don't know who I am talking about, you can search his channel (I think it's still up) Well done. He left a huge void when he packed it in. Hopefully you stay with it!
Absolutely I do VH! Froogle is for me, *the* flight sim CZcamsr. I watched his videos for many years and I suppose his channel was a significant inspiration for this one. A real shame that Pete decided to bow out in the end, though I can fully appreciate his reasoning (the vast majority of simmers are lovely people, but there can be some rather toxic attitudes / people in the hobby sadly).
I'm really flattered that you consider the channel in a similar light to Froogle's. Sadly I'm not nearly as brilliant an entertainer as he was, but I try and produce quality content in my own way and I intend to stick with the channel so long as circumstances allow me to do so.
Thanks very much for making my day haha! Cheers and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Don't sell yourself short. Pete was just a different flavor of simmer. You just do your own flavor and if you can manage a chuckle along the way, bonus! lol I am also a DCS guy, probably more these days than MSFS 2020. Being able to shoot missiles at a hostile in a dogfight has it's appeal. But so does planning a 787 flight like a real pilot. I wish there was more hours available for my fun time!
Well thank you, very kind of you to say once again : )
Haha, I’m with you on that one (although for me it’s the other way around)! I love DCS, but sadly I can never really find the time for it these days. There just aren’t enough hours in the day. . .
Cheers!
Wow, that TrackIR is calm and smooth. I'm using opentrack now but can't set it so smooth.
Hi PS,
Yes, it took quite a bit of tweaking over the years, but I'm pretty happy with where I have my TrackIR. My profile is actually available over on Flightsim.to, but I suppose that won't be of too much use to you, if you're an OpenTrack user.
I wish I could be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
As usual a great review process, personally feel disappointed a little as some comments suggested nearly OK, SEEMS Carenado do release with fairly significant errors frequently - such a shame. Fortunate ITB is “ on the ball “ to give the fair and straight forward findings. Thanks and Best Regards.
Thanks very much Charlie, I'm always happy if you feel I've given you a good sense of the product (either way)!
The Carenado PC-12 has potential, but unfortunately Carenado don't really seem to have turned over a new leaf after all and are still releasing products with significant / obvious bugs. Hopefully those bugs will be fixed and then the PC-12 will be very much worth the asking price in my opinion. Otherwise though, I've no doubt the SWS PC-12 will be a great option when it arrives : )
All the best sir!
Since you spoke about one of my favourites: Pete (Froogle), please allow me to mention another "classic" - in my opinion. "FS MaNiA" has been less active lately, but his youtube creations are an inspiration and an example of elegance to me. Last but not least, Thank You for your creations, Into the Blue Simulations!
Haha, thanks very much Nick! I shall be sure to check out FS MaNiA. CZcams can be a strange thing sometimes; I had never heard of / come across his channel before, despite watching simming content for many years at this point - funny that the channel never got recommended to me. . . Anyway, I will give one of his vids a chance when I find the time.
Thanks very much for the suggestion and indeed the kind words! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank you so much! A few minutes ago, I was watching your latest impressive posting, the MIG21, when I was thrilled to receive your reply. I remember a young pilot of Romania who defected in a MIG21 and flew it to the south, under the radar at high speed, and crash landed in Turkey. If I am not mistaken, the MIG was disassembled bit by bit and eventually returned to the Romanians, and the pilot lives now in the LA area of the US, where he works in aviation. I lived in Romania for 25 years, from when I was 9 yo, and now I live in Sydney Australia. Cheers and all the best to you too:) we shall talk again ❤
Another excellent review and interesting flight, going to try flying around the Japan'ese islands. Very much appreciate your calm, clear, detailed narration (vs jabbering and 'wonder what does this dial mean' by others. Too many times I find myself thinking 'let me google that for you, bozo. But never for you/yours.). I have found Carendo products to be decent and affordable, fun and interesting to fly; really enjoying their M20 Ovation currently (especially when augmented by your videos). I'm just happy that we have such a wide variety of choices - never see any reason to bash developers, especiallygiven the affordable prices of most products. Your level headed honest but positive critiques are exemplary!
Thanks very much once again, Art!
Japan and it’s islands is / are well worth a visit! I plan to revisit the area soon actually (most likely with either the SWS PC-12, or the iniBuilds MU2).
Haha. I know the sort of thing you mean; every “content creator” has their own style, strengths and weaknesses but, sometimes it can feel a little bit like a pantomime - “it’s behind you” (I have no idea if that joke translates a cross the pond) haha : P I’m by no means the most entertaining simmer on the platform but, I try to make up for that by doing my homework and polishing up the cinematography. My content works for some and not for others (it’s the internet, I’ll never please everyone haha) but, it’s always a pleasure to know that someone is enjoying it : )
Happy flying, sir!
@@IntotheBlueSimulationsdo you have a video on how to use the m20r autopilot? Or are you aware of a decent one? Or where I should go to ask? Such as forum, etc.? I have looked through discord including your ITBS but I find mostly cutesy icons and gibberish. My time availability (and tolerance) is low, I admit. Thanks for any assistance, and thanks for the wonderful videos!!
Hi Art,
Would it be fair to assume that it’s the KAS927 (altitude pre-selector) that you’re currently having issues with? This was the only tutorial I could find on the unit: czcams.com/video/vujlcamv1S4/video.htmlsi=YFvVJlaL4IcRWLsb
The rest of the autopilot is pretty standard in terms of its operation. Was there any specific issue that you are having?
Haha, yeah; I’m not a huge fan of Discord either but, it seems to be the preferred option for setting up forums and it’s free so, I guess I can’t complain too much.
I hope that helps a little? All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks much, the link is quite helpful!
Nice review. One correction: The fire and lamp test is located on the Overhead Panel. The fire test is not modeled, which is a shame. Pressing the button should light up a message on the CAS.
Thanks very much for the pointer VGA and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I have no idea why I got it into my head that the test switches were behind me haha, but yourself and a couple of others pointed out my error, so I shall certainly know better for next time ; )
Cheers, much appreciated! All the best : )
Aha.... I was going to ask you about this.
I ignored Carenado in P3D. But I love this aircraft.
They have them in the SEAL teams you know.
Haha, ask and you shall receive good sir!
I didn't know the SEALs used the PC-12 actually. Seems to be a machine that operates rather in the wrong medium for them. . . : P
@@IntotheBlueSimulations You'd be surprised where small 4 man teams have to go... in and out... small "runways".
A lot of SF use them. The Range Rover of the skies.
Both RMIs are deviated approximately 30 degrees to the right. In all the reviews I have seen the same problem. I hope that Carenado solves this bug soon.
Indeed Carlos; I did spot that during the video, but I didn't realise that was a blanket issue with the PC-12. One rather has to wonder how something like that can happen haha, hopefully it gets fixed up!
Cheers, all the best : )
Nice video, mate. I'll personally be waiting until SWS release their PC-12 NGX later on, as it'll undoubtedly be better.
Carenado as you say, has the looks really down to a T. But I think we expect more in terms of flight dynamics and fidelity these days, especially those of us on PC. I personally think Carenado are great to look at but do not provide the immersive experience I want from the sim.
SWS are not making the NGX, but they are making the NG.
Cheers man, glad you enjoyed the vid once again : )
Yeah. Personally I think that Carenado have their place, but I know they aren't everyone's cup of tea. They'd certainly do themselves some big favours, if they properly ironed out bugs before release (I thought they were getting better with that, but apparently not ha!).
As you say, the SWS offering will no doubt be vastly superior, so better to wait for that one, if fidelity is what floats your boat ; )
Thanks!
Nice review well done. Having never flown a real PC-12 only having been in the right seat several times a few notes. Interesting my version has no electrical issues but yes the AP pitching etc on engagement. With linear rudder settings im finding its ground handling very poor and any crosswind on takeoff makes it extremely difficult to keep on the centreline. The real aircraft is far more stable in pitch and lovely to hand fly it very much has big aircraft feel. The huge elephant in the room is the turboprop engine model thanks to Asobo. The real aircraft like every pt6 suffers power/torque fall off as you climb. The Carenado one holds torque with almost no torque loss until 16-18000’ completely unrealistic as you should be continually adding torque on the climb to regain lost power until you hit the temp limit..Speaking of temp limits the temp on TO is far to high with little head room even in cooler conditions. I understand this is an Asobo issue but right now the turboprop engine model is extremely poor.The PC12 normally gets temp limited at about 10-12000’. Overall like you i find it ok but a long way off the accuracy of the REP pack PC12 in xplane particularly the turboprop modelling which is still quite woeful in msfs. The real PC12 even though i havnt touched it in 20 years and even then onky several right seat flights left the lasting impression of being a docile lovely aircraft something Carenado have missed with the MSFS version. The xp version took a stunningly good REP pack to fix its faults. Numerous sounds have been omitted in the MSFS version as well. Thanks for the review.
Thanks very much SD, glad you found the review to be of use.
As I mentioned in the video, the electrical issue *may* have been something I was doing wrong, although if so, it wasn't for a lack of trying to do things correctly. One culprit may be the Inverter BAT / GEN switch, although my understanding was that the switch can be left in either position. . . I believe if CNTL-E is used, or the aircraft is started on the runway, then no electrical issues are prevalent, so I don't know whether that has anything to do with our different experiences in the PC-12.
I've never flown a turboprop myself, so I can't profess to be all that familiar with them. Even for a relative layman like me though, it's quite obviously an area of the sim that needs some work; I suppose Carenado were never likely to come up with their own custom coding etc. I was really hoping that we might see REP come over to MSFS actually, there are so many addons in the sim that would benefit greatly from their efforts (I suppose Black Sqaure is doing something similar, but not really to the same degree).
I've never set foot near a PC-12 myself, but it does indeed look like it would be a lovely machine to operate! Carenado's version is ok for a bit of fun and if they can sort the FPS and (potential) electrical issues, I think I shall continue to enjoy the addon for what it is.
Thanks again and all the best! : )
Great review thanks!
One thing I have noticed is that the indicated airspeed on the ASI differs by about 10kts from the speed displayed if you have selected the external view. Not sure if this is a similar observation at your end?
Thanks very much Joshua - my pleasure!
Yes, I have seen others reporting the same issue. I gather it is a known and reported bug, so hopefully Carenado will fix it up, when the aircraft is eventually patched.
I hope that clarifies things a little. Cheers and all the best! : )
The amber arm light on eps should turn off when battery is turned on. That let you know the battery is now charging the eps battery.
Hmm, interesting Rizzodefrank. Seems the entire electrical system could still use some work then. . .
Thanks for the info! All the best : )
Apparently the FPS issue may be related to the Avidyne, and similar to the issue the Kodiak has with it's backup instrument being on. For the Kodiak, this issue is fixed with SU10 - so I'd be curious to know if the people having the FPS issue are all using SU9, or if anyone is using the SU10 Beta.
Avidyne was a big FPS hit in the FSX/P3D version - I'd always turn it off... didn't seem to be a huge help turning it off in MSFS, though
Hi bd,
I strongly suspect the Avidyne unit has at least something to do with it. Turning it off doesn't seem to help a lot as Ravenn mentions, but then I wonder if it's really "off" (Just Flight had a similar issue with their Arrow's initially). It would be nice if we had the option to remove the unit altogether.
Personally I am still running the sim with SU9.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Thx for the review. Been looking fwd to this one. I used to fly the real thing years back and I'm curious to see how " realistic " it flies in the sim. It sure looks immaculate.
If you don’t want to risk buying it twice you might want to wait till SimWorks Studios version that’s well into development. Carenado are known for good looking models, but not system and flight model depth. If you have the money and don’t want to wait, that’s up to you of course.
Fair point made.
Solid advice sir!
Hi Philippe,
Thanks, my pleasure!
Ah right, brilliant - I'm sure that was good fun! The Carenado PC-12 certainly looks the part, but if you're looking for an accurate recreation of the aircraft, I fear you may be rather disappointed (especially given that you have actually flown a real PC-12 haha). Hopefully the review has given you some idea of what the product has to offer, but essentially the beauty of the Carenado PC-12 is largely skin-deep.
As WhiteHawk points out, you might be better waiting for the SimWorks Studios version of the aircraft, it will no doubt be superior in most respects (though it could be some time before it's released, so perhaps the Carenado version will keep you ticking over in the meantime, if money isn't too much of a consideration).
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
I was pretty excited for this but the random 25-50% drop in FPS was a bit unsettling. I hope the rumors that SU10 will fix the performance issues is true because it seems to be a fun aircraft but the framerate kills it for me sadly... Great video as always!
It's not a sim problem - this is obviously a bug in this particular aircraft. Sim Update 10 will bring DLSS to the party - which means (if you have the graphics hardware to support it), the sim can run at a lower resolution, and your graphics card upscale back to the intented resolution in hardware - so at no cost. It's smoke and mirrors :)
@@jonbeckett this got me 20fps more czcams.com/video/yk3kUcM4b8Y/video.html
Hi Alexander,
Yes, the FPS and the electrical issues are two major problems that need sorting, otherwise the PC-12 isn't half bad for the price. It's certainly not normal to have an addon cut one's frames in half, so I suspect there should be something that Carenado can do about the issue (fingers crossed). Otherwise, I suspect the SWS PC-12 will be the best way to go anyway haha.
Thanks again! All the best : )
Ahh, is that how DLSS works Jonathan - I was never quite sure. Thanks for the info! : )
Was expecting more, not bad but not super either.
Ahh, sorry to hear you're a little bit disappointed Ronnie.
The product broadly met my expectations, though it was disappointing to see Careando let some significant and obvious bugs slide through to release (it was starting to seem as though they had moved somewhat beyond doing that). If the fps and electrical issues can be fixed up, I'll generally be happy with my purchase overall.
Cheers and all the best! : )
There's something weird about ground steering going on in this plane. At very slow taxi speeds the steering is very lively but as it climbs a little in ground speed you lose almost all ground steering until ground speed comes back down. It makes crosswinds super difficult. The plane also gains ground speed at idle meaning you constantly have to apply brakes in order to keep a consistent tazi speed. I like it but these two issues bother me. Kind of a pet peeve for me.
Hi RR,
I noticed the same, but actually found the steering behaviour somewhat beneficial at the time, as it negated the overly sensitive rudder behaviour in the sim. I had assumed the aircraft was given such behaviour intentionally (for the aforementioned reason), but perhaps that was not the case.
The PC-12 does appear to be overpowered at ground idle yes. Very few addons seem to get taxi power correct in any sim (the PMDG 737 seems to require an awful lot of power to get moving for example).
I don't expect Carenado to hit all the marks, but it would certainly be nice if they could tweak up the PC-12's behaviour (especially if it's giving you issues in crosswinds etc).
Cheers, all the best! : )
A very good assessment I thought, I bought and tried it before viewing. I've had good flights and bad on the Xbox regarding it eating up resources. If performance was perfectly fine I would absolutely love it. Great graphically though.
Thanks CP, I'm glad you felt I broadly hit the nail on the head!
FPS is definitely an issue, as is the electrical system. If Carenado can at least fix up those two issues, then I think the PC-12 is an enjoyable addon in its own right - beautiful graphically as you say. Fingers crossed!
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks much. The Cessna 414 has been released on the Xbox now, I've gotta say it really is far better, pretty much perfect in all respects. The models I hear cannot match the pc version as the Xbox isn't up to it but a very fine job on the console, the best yet in my opinion. 👍
Ah brilliant! Yes, the C414 is an excellent addon. Great to see products of that quality finally making it onto the console. Happy flying! : )
Really want to see a side by side of this plane, updated, compared to the sws pc-12. Obviously sws has put a lot of time and effort into their aircraft, but kind of curious of the comparison from the cockpit in the sim
I don’t know that I’ll be doing a side-by-side, Jay (I try and review each addon based on its own merits) but, I’ll certainly be looking to review the SWS PC-12 when it arrives : )
All the best!
Looks great but I think I'll wait for sim work studios. They proved themselves with the Kodiak and that thing is my daily driver.
Hi Ultraviolet,
Certainly a prudent move if you're after a more accurate recreation of the PC-12. I've no doubt the SWS version will offer much more fidelity and if their Kodiak is anything to go by, their PC-12 will indeed be a cracking addon!
All the best : )
Great video, but i have 2 problems.
I bought it by steam in marketplace but in the fmc asked me a license key...... why? and the lever of cut off don't move up so the engine don't accelerate....
Hi Paolo, thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
By FMC, I presume you mean the GTN unit? The GTNXi is a separate payware addon (as mentioned in the video), however you can go and download a freeware version of the GTN750 (from PMS) should you wish to use that instead.
As to your issue with the condition lever, I'm afraid I'm really not sure what could be causing that. . . Are you still having the same problems? Is there perhaps a conflict with some of your hardware settings / bindings?
I hope that helps a little. Cheers and all the best! : )
Have you had the issue when your at idle power on the ground but it likes to move. And the same with taxing, it randomly accelerates when power is idle
Hi Isaac,
I have yes. Indeed, the PC-12 seems to run away a bit on the ground, but is equally underpowered during the takeoff. The addon definitely needs some tweaking in the engine department (as well as elsewhere).
All the best!
Odd occurrence of the day: thecSimmilsim Vampire released on the series X, but not their Morane D-3801 for some reason. A little odd, but what can you do?
Fair warning, I had a friend come to me complaining the engine keeps catching on fire when he "guns it" to full power, but I had to remind him that you can't rush these vintage jets like that. Gotta handle her gentle, just as the case is in real life version. Tis a great bit of realism on that add on.
Haha, a little bit strange Deku, but there you go. . .
I was actually somewhat tempted by the Vampire; you reckon it's pretty good do you?
Cheers : )
There's a pretty serious issue with the frame-rate - after flying for 40 minutes or so, the performance degrades incrementally. There's some sort of leak or race condition going on in the programming.
Did you update to MSFS Beta?
Same performance issue here. It's ok at first but degrades to the point of being unflyable. It's a shame because I actually liked the plane.
Mostly everyone is blaming the very unnecessary Avidyne GPS system on board. Pretty frustrating to not have the option to remove it since you know....we're using the 750!
I'm not a Carenado fan but boy they dropped the ball on this one. I hope MSFS can partner with better devs out there for future releases, becase another big dev is working on this same airplane and it'll put them to shame once it's out.
@@whiffy506 I'm not so sure - if you power it off, it makes no difference.
Yep I've had the exact same problem with it. I also have a problem where after a couple hours of flying my avionics will permanently shut off with nothing I do being able to bring them back online. Could be my Logitech flight panels causing this but I suspect it's the plane itself as my switch panels work perfectly with every other plane..
I noticed you have the same essential bus and AV warnings. That's because the batteries don't charge.
Indeed SGF. It seems the generators take the load, but don't then charge the batteries (a pretty massive "miss" there on Carenado's part). Starting on the runway or using CNTL-E negates the issue as best I can tell, but I'm sure many of us don't want to be doing that. I do hope Carenado get things fixed up in short order!
Cheers!
Kiss landing very good 👍👍
Thanks Max! Much appreciated : )
Thanks for your review. It was instrumental in me purchasing this version and I'm very happy with it, despite your reservations re Sim performance. I think Carenado have addressed this in updates as it was not better or worse than similar planes.
Here is the changelog of recent updates:
changelog
VERSION 2.0.0 RELEASED APRIL 21, 2023
Changes in the avatars of the pilots.
Improved flight dynamics.
Improved propeller effects.
Improved integration of WT GNS, TDS TN 750 PMS and TN 750xi GTN.
Correction of TDS GTN self-test screen in EHSI.
Improved Avidyne performance.
Fixed GSI not displaying while performing GPS approaches.
Fixed static wicks and other animations.
Improved VR compatibility.
Other minor bug fixes.
VERSION 1.2.0 RELEASED JANUARY 6, 2023 PC-12 MSS2020 version 1.2.0
06/01/2023
Avidyne improved to avoid FPS progressive loss.
Fixed Working Title compatibility issue that causes AP to fail.
Fixed ElS backlighting when ready for takeoff.
ATC type fixed.
GTN650 implemented.
EIS White bars visibility fixed on Windows 11.
Minor bugs fixed.
VERSION 1.1.0 RELEASED NOVEMBER 11, 2022 PC-12
MSFS2020 version 1.1
11/11/2022
Fixed bug that causes battery draining.
Fixed weight and balance default loading configuration.
Fixed GPS approach capability with GP using GTNxi.
Fixed fuel pumps initial condition.
Improved IAS indication, corrected for temperature.
Improved electrical system logic.
Implemented new EHSI display features.
Implemented fully functional GPU.
Improved overall performance within the sim.
Other minor bug fixes.
Hello Anton,
Thank you very much for the kind words, I’m really glad that you found the review to be of use!
It’s great to see that Carenado have continued to improve the aircraft and I am forever meaning to take another spin in the PC-12 / record another video with it.
It’s brilliant that you’re enjoying the product within the sim. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I do wish early prop spin would be more fluid when it comes to props and turboprops in MSFS20. They’ve done great work on the rotor start for the helicopters. Much more fluid.
It's just an animation at the end of the day - down to the developers - not down to the simulator at all.
Hi NewQLar,
Yes, there are a lot of devs who don't seem to have that quite nailed down yet. As Jonathan points out, it's down to the individual devs to fix, rather than Asobo; we have seen one or two good examples, so clearly it can be done in MSFS. I didn't find the PC-12 to be one of the worst offenders though in fairness haha.
Cheers, all the best! : )
I've bought it, but I hope they bring out a modern glass cockpit for it or a mod, I like the original look but I like modern simming.
Hi Eric,
I doubt Carenado will do so, but I gather SimWorks Studios are working on a more modern PC-12, so that might be one to keep an eye out on (it'll no doubt be the superior product generally also).
Cheers and all the best! : )
I hear the aviadyne screen is the FPS killer
I strongly suspect that might well be the culprit James. Unfortunately turning it off doesn't seem to completely fix the issue though; it would be nice if Carenado perhaps gave us the option to remove the Avidyne unit altogether.
Cheers, all the best! : )
The 1.1 update is out, and so far it's working very well for me with the default GPS. Good frames, no obvious bugs. It's a shame they rushed it, if they had launched it in its current state I think it would be much more popular.
So I see TM! I’m ooking forward to trying it out when I get the chance. I also don’t understand why devs rush out products like this; I’m sure the PC-12 still sold pretty well either way, but it could have gotten a pretty brilliant reception, if Carenado had only ironed out a few more of the aircraft’s bugs before release.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
Great video as always, so good I bought it and it's brilliant however its taxi speed is so fast is it my thrustmaster controls yours seemed to taxi slow?? Always something
Hey Reece, good to see you!
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the video.
Haha that's not just you, unfortunately the aircraft does seem to have too much power at ground idle. I was riding the brakes a bit during the video. To be fair many addons get idle thrust wrong in both MSFS and other sims.
The PC-12 definitely needs a bit of further work, but I hope you're enjoying it nonetheless!
Keep well : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulationsRight ok, that's good then, it goes so fast. Yes it's extremely enjoyable thanks. Keep up the great videos as always.
Cheers Reece! : )
I should come back to FS - problem is DCS is just too much damn fun.
Haha I can totally empathise, but from the other side Copehead. I love DCS and am forever meaning to get back into the sim. Unfortunately the channel / MSFS has me so busy, I can never really find the time (I gave DCS a quick go the other day and after almost a year away, the results were not pretty haha!).
Cheers, all the best : )
I flew this bird after my CPL in the Canadian famous icing conditions back in 2008 it’s a beauty and fun to fly ! Gotta give it a shot on the flight sim,
which joystick do you use ? Any recommendations?
I might wait for the other versions of this plane that are coming from other developers. I use the Airbus stick and throttle quadrant.
Hi Malibi,
Ah cracking, I'm sure that great fun! You might want to wait for the SimWorks Studios version of the PC-12 if you're looking for an accurate representation of the aircraft (as Jonathan points out); the Carenado version currently has some significant bugs, though I think it can still be good fun.
I use a Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog personally. It might not suit everyone's tastes / simming needs, but I couldn't recommend it highly enough in terms of utility / quality. Other popular options seem to be the Honeycomb hardware (probably the best value for money overall) and the more recent Thrustmaster Boeing / Airbus controllers. I think with any of those setups, you can't go too far wrong.
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations interesting detailed answer ! I appreciate the effort, happy flying
My pleasure! and to you : )
Mine makes this really loud rumbling sound that comes and goes during flight. Anyone have an idea why or how to fix that?
Hi MS,
Hmmm, how strange! Are you still having the same issues? Are you running FS Realistic by any chance? Other than that, I wonder if you perhaps have a hardware binding issue, that's causing the flaps to extend momentarily, or the prop to go into the beta range etc. . .
Otherwise I'm not too sure on that one I'm afraid. I hope you manage to figure things out!
Cheers, all the best : )
Yeah the ground power isn't working and the generators seem to be barely working. Also at least to me it seems like the plane has way too much thrust with the condition lever at ground idle and thrust at idle. During taxi it just wants to overspeed. I hope they at least fix the electrical issues fast because I can see that being an issue on longer flights.
Yep, all of the above seems to be correct unfortunately Hartbeak. Overpowered on taxi, but then underpowered during the takeoff haha. The electrical issue is probably the most significant bug (coupled with the fps) - somewhat unforgiveable there Carenado!
I do hope Carenado manage to get the aircraft fixed up in short order, it certainly has some promise if they do.
All the best : )
Great Review! Can you please tell me where I can find the manual that you are referring to.
Thanks Arun, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I presume you're after the real-world manual? I found that here:
www.pilatus-aircraft.com/de/customer-support/publications#pc-12/flightmanuals
I hope that helps! All the best : )
With the audio do you have the “headphone suppression” simulation on? I’m seeing discrepancies between reviews of this thing with audio and trying to see if that is the common denominator.
Carenado always claim they design their sound to simulate the pilot wearing headsets.... IDK why. They made a big deal about high quality recordings of the real plane... and it's not coming through... ( Like Gran Turismo spending tons of time recording real cars in every possible state, then they sound like vacuum cleaners in the game )
I don't ML, I always have that turned off in my sim. I do tend to tone the sounds down during edit, such that they don't drown everything else out including my commentary.
I don't know how accurate the PC-12's sounds are, but I thought they were well modelled in a generic sense (plausible, if not realistic).
I hope that clarifies things a little? All the best! : )
Is that so Ravenn? If true, that's a shame and doesn't really make any sense. We already have the headphone simulation available in the sim, so there is no point / benefit to replicating this effect with the base sounds (then we're all stuck with the effect either way). Carenado's claim may be true, or perhaps it's just a convenient copout. . .
Thanks for the info! : )
Great job! I am a PC-12 pilot, Can you tell me if the pusher test is modeled? What about the TOGA button on the Power Control Lever (PCL)? Don't forget to select your flight director prior to takeoff lol!
Hi Martin,
Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Apologies for the slow reply, I've only just found the time to test the PC-12 again. The pusher test is modelled and indeed the stick shaker / push does work as the aircraft approaches the stall. The TOGA button did not appear to work though.
Haha, ooops. Is FD mandatory for the takeoff then? I wasn't really following any particular guidance initially, so I didn't really see the benefit; presumably there is specific takeoff guidance if the TOGA button works?
I hope that helps. Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks for your reply!
Thanks for the feed back I appreciate it. I currently have the Pilatus but it’s on FSX simulator. I currently fly the pic 12NGX, wish they would model it too! I was Chiat winding you up about the flight director, however once you engage the TOGA button it automatically turns on the FD for pitch guidance in takeoff!
You’re most welcome Martin, my pleasure!
I gather SimWorks Studios will also be working on an NG PC-12 at a later date, so perhaps one to keep an eye out for ; )
Ah sorry, the FD quip went right over my head haha.
Cheers! : )
Great presentation - I see the GTN750 working? How have it to be installed?
Hi Ralph,
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video!
You will first need to download either the freeware or payware GTN750 / GTNXi and then select the appropriate configuration via the tablet (as highlighted towards the end of the video).
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations i have done, thank you very much!
Great, glad you got it sorted! : )
Must be above 24v before starting and the fuel pumps are automatically engaged during the start sequence.
Hi Ryan,
Yep, I did make mention during the video, as to why I was starting below 24v (the PC-12 has a bug, such that I wasn't able to charge up the batteries again thereafter). For the fuel pumps, I was just going off what the checklist stated; for sure there is an auto mode (which I presume is what you're referring to), but in the "on" position, the checklist specifically mentioned that the fuel pumps should be audible.
That's not to say that you're wrong, just explaining things from my side : )
All the best!
Great review as always. No fiddling around in cockpit with mistakes.
Not intended to purchase Carenado - never trust them. But your reviews are so entertaining to watch.
PC-12 is a beautiful aircraft. Last week I purchased Cessna 414 (Flightsimware) , been out of beta for a while, and now close to perfect.
With pressurized cabin, the performance is identical to PC-12. I see no reason to replace the Cessna 414 with PC-12
Thanks øystein! I did miss a couple of switches on this one, but I always try my best to do my homework ahead of time haha ; )
It's always a pleasure to hear that someone enjoys the video for the sake of it, regardless of whether or not they intend to purchase the product. I certainly try my best to make that the case.
The C414 is a brilliant aircraft and certainly done to a far superior standard than the PC-12. Enjoy! : )
Hello bro the Fuel indicator and gas indicator are not working with me same like you. is there any solution bro? Thanks.....
Hi SanHtet,
Are you on Windows 11 by any chance? I read somewhere the other day, that what you describe can be a bug when running the addon under Windows 11. Carenado did actually just update the aircraft also though, so perhaps the update has fixed your issue?
All the best : )
Thank you for the good review. let’s put it this way: let’s see how the other PC-12 will do once it comes out.
I skip this one for now
The other? Who else is working on a PC-12 for MSFS? TIA
@@virtualgeneralaviation it’s simworks studios and I expect a top notch plane. Crossing fingers :)
A pleasure Michael! Thanks once again for watching : )
Haha, I have no doubt the SWS version will be the better product - I'm expecting it to be a cracker! ; )
Cheers!
You did perform the flight with the wrong electrical configuration, with the Inverter pulling power from the batteries instead of the GEN1.
So, the electrical system seems pretty accurate.
Hi BR,
Thanks for the pointer. I did test that at the time (albeit briefly), but from what I could glean off the checklist, either position should work? The checklist states; "Invertor BAT or GEN - Check Function, Change Selection", so it doesn't really seem to imply that the GEN position is mandatory. I did have a dig through the real-world manual thereafter also and it states; "It is not significant which INVERTER is selected, as long as the INVERTER CAWS caption is not illuminated". So I'm still inclined to say there's a problem with the addon.
The above certainly isn't to say that you're wrong though. If you know otherwise (perhaps you have real-world experience on the PC-12 for example?), please feel free to fill me in (genuinely)!
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Hi!
No, not real world at all, but the inverter will drain the batteries if it is not supplied with the generator.
BTW, I have asked in a PC-12 real pilots group, and I hope they will come up with the right answer.
Great video!! (I didn't tell you before, sorry ;-)
I answer myself: they confirmed that you did right, it does not matter in what position you leave the switch.
Curiously, the Carenado PC-12 for X-Plane does need the switch in GEN1 in order to do not drain the batteries during the flight.
According with the professionals, X-Plane Pc-12 does it wrong (how disappointing...)
In my case, somehow the engine and fuel qty needles aren't visible. When I press the test button, the needles appear for a split second and then disappear again.
Hmmm, that's very strange Siddharth. Perhaps an obvious question, but have you tried re-installing the product? Otherwise perhaps the addon got somewhat broken with SU10 (as often tends to happen); have you tried playing around with you TAA / DLSS settings, switching between DX11 / DX12 etc?
Other than that, I'm really not sure what could be causing the problem I'm afraid. The PC-12 definitely needs a patch at any rate, so hopefully your issue will be fixed up when the addon eventually gets an update.
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Alright, i’ll try playing around with settings.
First plane I'm buying when I win the Euro lotto.
Awesome.
Haha, after a donation to your favourite CZcamsr I would imagine True Blade?? : P
No worries, I'll settle for a ride in your PC-12 instead ; )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Hehe... I'll buy it if you fly it ! I'm a danger to everyone... 🤣
Haha, deal! XD
Do you find that TrackIR is better than VR? I've had the suspicion as I loved TrackIR. Not that I've tried VR in a sim.
Hi Tyler,
Overall, I have to say that VR takes some beating. VR is about as immersive as one can get with home flight simulation (short of building a high-fidelity home cockpit perhaps) and is a truly brilliant experience. VR can require pretty beefy hardware though and framerate / resolution tends to suffer (two areas where TrackIR wins out).
For personal simming, I very much prefer VR where possible, but for content creation, I find TrackIR to be a better option.
I hope that helps answer your question? Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Should I be afraid of VR then? Couldn't imagine how the experience is flying Heli's.
The external power doesn't work. And you batteries don't charge in flight so on a long flight you loose power. Also you can't adjust the brightness of the artificial horizon.
Yep, unfortunately so SGF. Pretty inexcusable for Carenado to "miss" those sorts of bugs and I certainly hope they get them fixed up sooner rather than later.
Cheers and all the best! : )
I like the PC-12 also but also had the electrical power draw that eventually shut down my avionics and navigations lcd screens until I turned off all the lights external & internal & the screens came back... You say you checked cabin pressure but you left it on ZERO you should turn the pressure up towards the set altitude. Not being able to open pilot side window or the toilet is a shame. Co pilot not being visible should be done correctly and not only enabled in external view. PMS50 GTN-750 Premium support is great but should be WTT enabled by default or be supplied with mod, but PMS50 may create that later for it... Still the bug in VR when you open all the doors with EFB you can't closed them when going to the door and if you turn off all the systems they do close what breaks VR immersion and created the bug that I had to close the door with selecting open on the EFB... So yes needs a lot more study level enabling updates and bugs fixed. System state saving is also missing. Having to enable my PMS50 GTN-750 every time should be not necessary. I want to find the plane in the state I left it in. That should be an option on the EFB. Thanks for the great video. Now I know I have to turn some de icing on to get rid of all the errors on the status screen :-) Did not know this.
Hi Sven,
Yeah, a bit of an omission on my part there haha, but I didn't actually realise at the time, that Carenado had modelled the cabin pressure controls. I tried them on the ground (with the aircraft cold and dark) and nothing worked, so I assumed that Carenado had opted not to model the system. Turns out you need power for the rotary selector to work, but I can't imagine that's accurate. . .
I broadly I agree with your analysis of the aircraft. There are definitely some significant bugs, as well as some areas that could simply use some improvement. I hope that Carenado fix up the major issues at the very least!
Thanks very much once again for watching, I'm glad the video proved useful! : )
my 3090 goes down to single digits at some points, its super buggy atm!! will be a lot of fun once its stable but anyone on the fence id suggest waiting... also the lamp test is in the top left of the overhead, and it works😉
also i think switching that INV switch to gen1, next to stby bus, stops the bus warning
Crikey! It's almost impressive that Carenado have even managed to take down a 3090 with their product XD
For sure though, some pretty major bugs at the moment, pretty obvious ones as well, so it's very disappointing that they were given the OK for release. I don't know why I got it into my head that the lamp / fire test switches were behind me, but I found them on the overhead thanks to your pointer - cheers!
Hopefully Carenado will fix up the fps and electrical issues at the very least, at which point I think the PC-12 will be an enjoyable addon, if still not perfect.
Cheers Brandon! : )
Not too sure on that one. I did try both configurations, but the batteries didn't seem to charge either way. The checklist did call to switch between the two, but I seem to recall it saying that it was just to check you're getting the same output from both systems (or something to that effect). I'll have to investigate again when I have a chance. . .
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yeh i realized after comment, i have found turning on the standby bus after take off makes amps go back to 50 and doesnt drain. Nice work around till patch anyway
Ah ok, thanks for the info! I shall have to give that one a go : )
Hi what addons you use for cameras pls ?
Hi AP,
I'm using a head-tracking device called "TrackIR" for the camera movements. It's great, although a little pricey. There are cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, should you wish to give it a go for yourself : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
It’s not perfect, but I’m totally fine with it! Carenado planes will always have their place in the sim.
It kinda defeats the terminology of simulation when it’s not an actual simulation of the aircraft it’s apparently simulating wouldn’t you say ?
@@aileronsintowind6835 That's a bit obnoxious. There are levels of depth of simulation and Carenado is just not hitting above their own ceiling. It's still simulation though, many system work as intendend and you just have to take price into consideration. Btw, people are perfectly fine with flying Asobo's defaults, isn't that bothering you?
@@aileronsintowind6835 You can still get plenty of "simulation" from an airplane, even if it doesn't have all 275 circuit breakers modelled. Some people like myself are perfectly fine with an in-between of the arcadey-defaults and the high fidelity study-level crafts.
Hi Ailerons Into Wind,
Bugs are one thing (and Carenado unfortunately has more than their fair share of those), but simplified fidelity is (I think) something else altogether. Carenado don't pretend to put out "study level" products and (again bugs aside) I think their output is very reasonable for the price. I would suggest that to a large degree, "simulation" is a mindset; as I hope I proved during the video, one can still have a reasonable stab at simulating a PC-12 operation using the addon.
That's just my two pennies worth though, doesn't mean I'm right ; )
All the best : )
Exactly Jonno. There are a couple of significant bugs, that it's somewhat unforgiveable Carenado let slide (the electrical system primarily), but if they can get those bugs sorted and bump up the fps a little, I think the PC-12 is a nice offering / good fun given the price.
It seems that Carenado addons aren't to everyone's tastes (and fair enough), but I think they have their place and I enjoy their output for the most part : )
All the best!
Have four sim planes from Carenado, Mooney, Seminole, Seneca ... and therefore know the sim planes from Carenado, with the many shortcomings.
So I was hesitant to buy the PC 12, hoping it would be better than the previous ones.
But I wasn't surprised, here are a few shortcomings:
The batteries are not charged, the avionics fail in flight!
The batteries are switched off, but everything lights up, where is the power coming from and how long does the battery have charge?
The ALT / VS dial works very differently than described, Carenado have a working device in the Mooney,
why not use it : choose altitude, press ARM and choose VS, very simple
The beautiful Avidyne screen, a lot doesn't work, none of the arrow keys work, weather radar only horizontally. All just Blender gimmicks.
Temperature reading is always 23°C, in flight, on the ground, in the summer sun...
During the landing approach, the FPS go down in such a way that no other sim object can do that for me.
The plane is made for longer distances, all the exhibitors only do one circuit and think it's great, one comment: every thing works fine, I will never miss it.
How can you offer such a carelessly programmed and unfinished Sim airplane for sale? Makes the sim planes 5 or 10 euros more expensive, but offers something reasonable.
I am very disappointed with Carenado and will not buy any more Carenado objects.
Another tip for Carenado, you can also develop Sim planes.
Hi Stefan,
Very sorry to hear that you haven’t been enjoying the PC-12. As with most Carenado offerings, the addon does indeed have its issues (a shame, as I think the aircraft could have been a very enjoyable offering otherwise). I think I covered most of your points during the review, but thanks very much for taking the time to leave your feedback, I’m sure it will be useful to others! Hopefully Carenado will fix up the most major bugs at the very least. . .
Cheers and all the best!
P.S. If memory serves me correctly, the temperature gauge that you’re referring to actually displays the *cabin* temperature. I primarily recall that, as I thought the same as you initially ; )
Thank you for the answer and your beautiful videos in which a lot of work has gone into it.
Yes, one can only hope and wait for it to get better and for Carenado to give us an update.
But updates are very scarce at carenado.
A positive example of how to do better is the BN 2 islander from BlackBox, constantly evolving and priced in the same league.
Cheers from me too
Whats the ideal cruise altitude for this type of aircraft?
I can't profess to know that myself FoBy, but I found a nice little rule of thumb whilst digging around online:
"The rough rule of thumb that I used on the PC-12 was (distance/10) + 2000'. So a trip of 190nm I would go to FL210. This, of course, does not take winds/weight into account" (for that you would need to consult the charts).
I hope that helps a little! Cheers : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Aviation is full of rules of thumbs, yah? Hehe
at 16:47 that might be because your compass is showing you magnetic north and your panel is showing true north.
Hi Pizzler,
Good thought, but I seem to recall that the error was too significant to be magnetic variation (and it would be a bit strange if the ND defaulted to true north). At any rate, I believe it transpired that there was a bug (I think it’s been fixed with the recent update).
Cheers and all the best! : )
On PFD compass numbers should be on line of the horizon!!!🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂ Tested by several pilots for maximum accuracy.(c).... But the video is great!
Managed to miss that one myself mi8ts - ooops!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video though; hopefully Carenado will fix up at least some of the issues on their end.
Thanks for watching and all the best! : )
Shame it’s not quite there as it would otherwise be a good alternative to the default TBM.
Indeed Mark. I much prefer the PC-12 in terms of the cockpit and aesthetics, the Carenado version does also have a fair bit more fidelity than the default TBM. IF Carenado can fix up the fps and electrical issues, then I would be quite happy with the addon overall. As I mentioned during the video, I'm not a big single-engine turboprop guy, but I could definitely see myself making a few more outings in the PC-12 potentially.
Cheers! : )
Flight 1 had an Awesome PC12 for FSX but you needed a computer that could handle it
Flight 1 had a lot of quality output back in the day didn't they Mike. Sadly, I never had either the computer or the funds to try most of it XD
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations neither did my computer barely ran it but those were the dayssss eh
Haha, indeed they were Mike! Simpler times. . . XD
Can you post your flight sim config file for download in the Discord group? I have a RTX 3070 and get horrible FPS, like 20-35 no matter which aircraft I fly.
I'll try and remember to do that when I get a chance Robi, for now though:
- “High End” preset
- Pre-Cache = Ultra
- Terrain and Object visibility sliders set at 125% (sorry, I forget the actual names of them)
- Motion Blur = Off
- Glass Cockpit Refresh = Medium
- AI Traffic = Off
- VSync = On / 60fps
That pretty much covers off my settings. I'm guessing you run at 2/4K? Running in 1080p is for sure the main reason I'm able to get higher FPS.
I hope that helps a little? All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks, I'll try these settings and see if there's an improvement, much appreciated.
You’re most welcome Robi! Hope it helps : )
No compression animation of the gears on landing.
Hi Chris,
Gear compression might have just been tricky to see in the video. Certainly the gear does appear to be rather "stiff", but you can see the nose gear compression, so I would imagine Carenado will have modelled the mains also (I haven't had a chance to check subsequently though).
Cheers and all the best! : )
How do you bring up the tablet?
Hi Jason,
The tablet is located down in the co-pilot's footwell, just on the right side of the fuselage. You can click on the tablet itself to bring it up.
I hope that helps! All the best : )
How do you pull up the tablet ?
Hi MEVFD,
The tablet is located down in the co-pilot's footwell, just on the right side of the fuselage. You can click on the tablet itself to bring it up.
I hope that helps! All the best : )
I have always wondered why Carenado dont hire a proper flight model/system programer
Indeed, it seems Carenado could be making a killing, if they simply teamed up with another dev - they are pretty much the gold-standard of visual modelling. I guess they're probably making a killing already though, so they don't see any incentive to do so haha.
I read today actually, that Milviz once offered to team up with. I've no idea whether or not that is true, but imagine how great that partnership could have been?!
Cheers : )
how many fps you get with this system ?
Hi Desert,
If you want an accurate number, FPS was discussed towards the end of the video. The PC-12 is actually a bit of an FPS killer, but ordinarily I can get around 80fps with default aircraft (I'm only running at 1080p). I tend to lock my framerate to 60fps though, in an effort to keep the sim nice and smooth.
I hope that helps! All the best : )
How do I find the manual for the pc-12?
Hi Phillip,
Do you mean the included documentation, or the real-world manual? The included documentation can be found as follows (if using the Steam version of the sim):
Program Files\FS2020\Official\Steam\carenado-aircraft pc12\SimObjects\Airplanes\Carenado_PC12\Documentation
I hope that helps! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes, the included documentation. Found it! Thank you!
You’re most welcome! : )
I wish there models were study level man would that be something
Wouldn't that be great La Mar!
I don't know why Carenado don't look into getting some outside help for the flight / systems modelling, since customers are always crying out for improvements in both areas (and there's no denying Carenado do some of the best visual work in the industry). I guess they're still doing a roaring trade though, especially since the advent of MSFS, so there's no real incentive for them to change their business practices.
Cheers, all the best! : )
It's great that you use exterior camera views on takeoff and landing, but it doesn't look very good too close... the plane should be a bit further away from the camera
Hi David,
Thanks very much for the feedback. I'm afraid I'm going to put that one down to a bit of an "artistic" choice on my part. I don't like filming addons from a long way off, as I feel they then tend to look more like "toys". I also prefer filming closer in, as one can then see more detail in terms of prop disk, gear animation, texturing etc.
The above is not to say you're wrong, just giving you my reasoning for my choice.
Cheers again and all the best! : )
Wow, epic centerline in these conditions. Stop showing off mr ITB!
Please help me I want to buy a great plane. 310 or 414 ? :) Yes I prefer two engine machines if that helps.:D
Haha! Thank you sir : P
Hi K4Ri80,
Apologies for the slow reply, I hope I'm not too late.
Both are excellent addons, so you can't go too far wrong. As an aircraft to fly, I marginally prefer the C414 (I prefer its cockpit setup / avionics also) and the Chancellor also has better speed / performance. For the overall experience though, the C310 is the winner in my eyes. MILVIZ's Cessna is pretty unique in the sim at the moment, with its complex failure modelling, persistent state etc; it's arguably the only addon where you really feel like you "own it". For that reason, I would probably have to recommend the C310 (if we took failure simulation out of the equation though, then I would choose the C414 overall).
I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
How did you open cargo door?
Hi Gamerboy,
I just clicked on the handle internally - if I recall correctly. Either that, or perhaps there is an option on the tablet. Apologies, it's been a while since I recorded the video, so my memory is a little vague, but I'm pretty sure the door can be actuated via one of those methods.
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thank you I'll check it out again 😀
You’re most welcome! : )