Very cool to see a real Pilatus PC-12 testing this aircraft for MSFS. I hope SWS will watch this video and consider your comments to make this addon even more perfect. Keep bringing more information, it will be very welcome!
Thank you! 😁 SWS has been here... They watched and commented on my walkaround video (first video in this playlist) as well as my most recent community post. Great to see them out gathering feedback!
What I don't get: how do they need to gather feedback after months of gathering feedback from even Pilatus themselves?? Seems to be common practice these days to have customers do the final polish. Great video!❤
It's great to hear your feedback on this. SWS does use a real world PC-12 captain as part of their development team, and they've been working very close with the manufacturer, and the planes are modeled after an airline from Switzerland's PC-12s, which is also where their sound recordings come from. But they are still working on finessing the models so it's important to keep looking out for the updates (two have come out since the initial release to clean up bugs and certain features). Now, I use the TDS NXi rather than the default 530, and that uses the real Garmin trainer model as its basis, so my TOGA option works as it should. What they have to clear up on their end is heading hold, which causes a weird Dutch rolling effect right now. They're supposed to update that next week. And while they have worked really hard on modeling as much of the finite details of the aircraft as possible, the MSFS 2020 shell has some limitations that 3rd party developers can't navigate around, so all of them have to balance realism v. what can still work within the sim, i.e. the oil pressure issue you noticed on engine start. But, I do know they are preparing a separate download purchase that will allow one to model various failures in the future, and perhaps with that package, the engine will behave more realistically so that you can account for hot and hung starts, etc. By the way, if you want to see your upper panel a bit more clearly beyond panning up, hit the "1" key on your keyboard. But if you're interested, the "Overkill" channel hosted one of the real world PC-12 pilots that's serving as a developer (I believe he hinted at flying for 'Tradewinds', which could also explain why their livery comes with the program), and he provides a lot of great behind-the-scenes feedback on the model's behavior v. real world procedures and behaviors that is very helpful in navigating this sim: czcams.com/video/qVEmj88qgwA/video.html
Thanks for the video, always great to get feedback from someone who flies the real thing. Really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the taxi and flight characteristics once you are reunited with your yoke and pedals 😀
Nice job with your review! I learned a lot from you. I was so fired up about your review, I posted a link for it on SWS's Discord Channel. I too hope they make some adjustments based upon your real life experiences with the PC-12. I've only flown Pipers and Cessna's in RL. I have my complex rating and looking to start my instrument ticket. You must be in heaven flying this baby in RL.
Thank you!! 😁🙏 SWS has actually been here. They commented on my first video in this playlist (first look/walkaround) and my community post. Great to see their interest in feedback! Good luck with your instrument training. Maybe soon I'll be hearing you in the flight levels. 😉
SWS are curently using MSFS autopilot, hence no autopilot test and Go around test are not working. Also for the starting sequence and the oil, they plan to release a patch with improved turbine simulation. Anyway great video, very informative and I’m really looking forward to more video from you, so we can learn more about the plane and how to operate it correctly. Also I can’t wait to see what you think about the flight model of the aircraft, of course It’s a sim so there are limitation but this FM is pretty interesting if you compare it to the Carenado
Good info, thanks! Looking forward to making more videos with a yoke and rudder pedals. In the meantime, I made this post. Cheers! czcams.com/users/postUgkx7BDUxKtXCz-D2SA43HIdb8y9m56wE-WZ
For me, the arrow keys move the perspective left, right, up and down. Left ALT + up arrow moves forward, and Left ALT + back arrow moves back. I use these combinations along with the right mouse button which changes viewing angle/perspective and mouse wheel to zoom in and out. By the way, I just picked up the SWS PC-12 and I really hope to put your videos and tips to good use the next time I take the plane for a spin. Thanks!
As for looking around, I know that you aren't in the sim a lot but, a TrackIR 5 w/Proclip or Tobii Eyetracker will make your experience way better and easier for looking around cockpit when running checklists, and for general see and avoid while taxing and flying.
im interested to hear your impressions of that horrendous yaw on takeoff, is that real and how do you manage that? I haven't watched the rest of the video yet so will do, i would greatly value a video from you on your thoughts on trim and torque - from someone who actually flies one of these!
I just made a post on this I'll link to here. I haven't gotten a chance to actually fly the airplane yet, but there is quite a bit of left-turning tendency on takeoff and climb. One must have strong legs to fly the Legacy. 😁 czcams.com/users/postUgkx7BDUxKtXCz-D2SA43HIdb8y9m56wE-WZ
throwin this out for anyone that might know...i fly with the Boeing TPA yoke....on landing i run out of elevator authority at touchdown...cant hold the bird off and it just makes a carrier landing...otherwise, all pretty good...the manual says all the bindings need to be linear...i tried that way and with sensitivity adjustments...also adjusted the elevator authority in the customization page...if i cant get this fixed, wont be able to continue flying this bird...any advise is appreciated...
I think if you arm the alt the FD get's in pitch up when pressing the GA button. At least it does during my preflight and that's the only thing I do differently from you I think.
Dear Gene: I was trying to land the SWS PC-12/47 at VGEG, RW 23 ILS approach. AP engaged. At 1,000 ft approx. and below the plane deviates from the centerline, still ap engaged. No wind. After ap disengage, it is very difficult to maintain centerline. The plane goes left and right. After landing, the plane yaws left and right...very difficult to keep centerline! This is v 1.1.0. How can I do it better? I read the manual, landing tips. Still no help. Please suggest.
Hello, friend! It sounds like SWS has some bugs to work out with the autopilot and flight modeling. I think they're working on fixes for these issues. I can tell you from a real-world perspective the characteristics you're describing aren't realistic. Hoping for a fix soon!
Generators supply electrical power to their respective busses. Take a look at the LH and RH breaker panels to see which components are powered by which gen. There’s also the option of tying busses together if there’s a failure in the system.
Can you confirm it's a common procedure irl to turn on the GEN2 first? Cause I saw some other review where the Pilot said the GEN 1 is a 300Amps Gen and the Gen2 "only" 150 Amps, and you would possibly fry the GEN 2 by turning it on first?
Yes, Pilatus calls for gen 2 on first. Take a look at the AFM for the series 10/10A (Google Pilatus PC-12 AFM; Pilatus has free PDFs on their website), section 4, p. 4-12, Engine Starting checklist. Pilatus calls for gen 2 to be switched on first, check to make sure the gen 2 CAWS light extinguishes, then gen 1 on.
@@GeneStuart thx for your reply! Great that they made the document available to the public... I will definitely use it for future flights in the sim, love to study the systems/procedures... Regards from Stuttgart, Germany
So from one PC12 pilot to another, shouldn’t you be starting with gen 1 then gen 2? Remember gen 2 is only rated to 115 amps and gen 1 a momentary 450 amp. So starting with gen 2 could overload it. Idk I’ve always started with gen 1 then gen 2.
Just watched some of your other videos haha and you fly the NG so yea both your generators are rated for 300 then lol. But in that case you wouldn’t be flipping the “dusty switches”
I fly both the Legacy and NG. Take a look at the AFM for the series 10/10A, section 4, p. 4-12, Engine Starting checklist. Pilatus calls for gen 2 to be switched on first, check to make sure the gen 2 CAWS light extinguishes, then gen 1 on.
SWS was asked about the pressurization dial on Discord and it’s not backwards-it turns out that Pilatus has used both clockwise and counter-clockwise dials over the years.
Very cool to see a real Pilatus PC-12 testing this aircraft for MSFS. I hope SWS will watch this video and consider your comments to make this addon even more perfect. Keep bringing more information, it will be very welcome!
Thank you! 😁 SWS has been here... They watched and commented on my walkaround video (first video in this playlist) as well as my most recent community post. Great to see them out gathering feedback!
What I don't get: how do they need to gather feedback after months of gathering feedback from even Pilatus themselves?? Seems to be common practice these days to have customers do the final polish.
Great video!❤
It's great to hear your feedback on this. SWS does use a real world PC-12 captain as part of their development team, and they've been working very close with the manufacturer, and the planes are modeled after an airline from Switzerland's PC-12s, which is also where their sound recordings come from. But they are still working on finessing the models so it's important to keep looking out for the updates (two have come out since the initial release to clean up bugs and certain features). Now, I use the TDS NXi rather than the default 530, and that uses the real Garmin trainer model as its basis, so my TOGA option works as it should. What they have to clear up on their end is heading hold, which causes a weird Dutch rolling effect right now. They're supposed to update that next week. And while they have worked really hard on modeling as much of the finite details of the aircraft as possible, the MSFS 2020 shell has some limitations that 3rd party developers can't navigate around, so all of them have to balance realism v. what can still work within the sim, i.e. the oil pressure issue you noticed on engine start. But, I do know they are preparing a separate download purchase that will allow one to model various failures in the future, and perhaps with that package, the engine will behave more realistically so that you can account for hot and hung starts, etc. By the way, if you want to see your upper panel a bit more clearly beyond panning up, hit the "1" key on your keyboard. But if you're interested, the "Overkill" channel hosted one of the real world PC-12 pilots that's serving as a developer (I believe he hinted at flying for 'Tradewinds', which could also explain why their livery comes with the program), and he provides a lot of great behind-the-scenes feedback on the model's behavior v. real world procedures and behaviors that is very helpful in navigating this sim: czcams.com/video/qVEmj88qgwA/video.html
Outstanding. Great info, thanks!
Looking forward to these continued videos, thank you!
Always glad to see you here! More to come.
Thanks for the video, always great to get feedback from someone who flies the real thing. Really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the taxi and flight characteristics once you are reunited with your yoke and pedals 😀
Thank you! Looking forward to flying it soon.
Aways good to hear feedback from the real pilot, awesome video thank you 🎉
Thank you!
Ughhgghhhhh how did I forget this guy existed!!!!
Sitting there reading the POH trying to find the shit I didn’t know
Hey this was great. Looking forward to your following video. Thanks!
Thank you! 🙏
Awesome and very impressive video with accurate information with will help to start to master this aircraft as study-level ! Thank you and congrats !
Thank you! 😁🙏🏻
Good attention to detail. You should offer to consult with SWS for play-testing.
Nice job with your review! I learned a lot from you. I was so fired up about your review, I posted a link for it on SWS's Discord Channel. I too hope they make some adjustments based upon your real life experiences with the PC-12. I've only flown Pipers and Cessna's in RL. I have my complex rating and looking to start my instrument ticket. You must be in heaven flying this baby in RL.
Thank you!! 😁🙏 SWS has actually been here. They commented on my first video in this playlist (first look/walkaround) and my community post. Great to see their interest in feedback! Good luck with your instrument training. Maybe soon I'll be hearing you in the flight levels. 😉
looking forward to a full flight video.
Educational! Thanks Capt
Thank you!
Wow u hit over 2k follower 🥳🙌🏼
Yes!! 😁🥂🙏
THANKS. You give me good advice in adjusting the VS before takeoff. I had difficulty to set it after takeoff
🙏🏻🙏🏻
SWS are curently using MSFS autopilot, hence no autopilot test and Go around test are not working. Also for the starting sequence and the oil, they plan to release a patch with improved turbine simulation. Anyway great video, very informative and I’m really looking forward to more video from you, so we can learn more about the plane and how to operate it correctly. Also I can’t wait to see what you think about the flight model of the aircraft, of course It’s a sim so there are limitation but this FM is pretty interesting if you compare it to the Carenado
Good info, thanks! Looking forward to making more videos with a yoke and rudder pedals. In the meantime, I made this post. Cheers! czcams.com/users/postUgkx7BDUxKtXCz-D2SA43HIdb8y9m56wE-WZ
@@GeneStuart I’ll check it, thanks for the reply
For me, the arrow keys move the perspective left, right, up and down. Left ALT + up arrow moves forward, and Left ALT + back arrow moves back. I use these combinations along with the right mouse button which changes viewing angle/perspective and mouse wheel to zoom in and out.
By the way, I just picked up the SWS PC-12 and I really hope to put your videos and tips to good use the next time I take the plane for a spin. Thanks!
Good tips, thanks. Enjoy the airplane!
@@GeneStuartLCtrl + number keys also puts you in various preset positions. Press F to return to normal view
Thanks!
Hi, nice vid, as for the cockpit camera movement simply rebind in your keyboard controls settings with WASD for more intuitive movement
Thanks for the tip!
As for looking around, I know that you aren't in the sim a lot but, a TrackIR 5 w/Proclip or Tobii Eyetracker will make your experience way better and easier for looking around cockpit when running checklists, and for general see and avoid while taxing and flying.
Very cool, thanks. I have a friend who uses TrackIR and loves it.
Dear Mr. Stuart, I am very curious to hear your opinion of the SWS PC 12 in flight. Very nice vid, Thank ´s a lot
Thank you! 😁
im interested to hear your impressions of that horrendous yaw on takeoff, is that real and how do you manage that? I haven't watched the rest of the video yet so will do, i would greatly value a video from you on your thoughts on trim and torque - from someone who actually flies one of these!
I just made a post on this I'll link to here. I haven't gotten a chance to actually fly the airplane yet, but there is quite a bit of left-turning tendency on takeoff and climb. One must have strong legs to fly the Legacy. 😁 czcams.com/users/postUgkx7BDUxKtXCz-D2SA43HIdb8y9m56wE-WZ
@@GeneStuartthat’s good to know 👍 looking forward towards a take off and landing video of SWS PC-12.
throwin this out for anyone that might know...i fly with the Boeing TPA yoke....on landing i run out of elevator authority at touchdown...cant hold the bird off and it just makes a carrier landing...otherwise, all pretty good...the manual says all the bindings need to be linear...i tried that way and with sensitivity adjustments...also adjusted the elevator authority in the customization page...if i cant get this fixed, wont be able to continue flying this bird...any advise is appreciated...
TOGA buttton works if you just press toga button without turning on fd first.
I think if you arm the alt the FD get's in pitch up when pressing the GA button. At least it does during my preflight and that's the only thing I do differently from you I think.
I think somebody mentioned a fix coming for this. We shall see! 😁
Not gonna fly it!
Dear Gene:
I was trying to land the SWS PC-12/47 at VGEG, RW 23 ILS approach. AP engaged. At 1,000 ft approx. and below the plane deviates from the centerline, still ap engaged. No wind.
After ap disengage, it is very difficult to maintain centerline. The plane goes left and right. After landing, the plane yaws left and right...very difficult to keep centerline! This is v 1.1.0. How can I do it better? I read the manual, landing tips. Still no help. Please suggest.
Hello, friend! It sounds like SWS has some bugs to work out with the autopilot and flight modeling. I think they're working on fixes for these issues. I can tell you from a real-world perspective the characteristics you're describing aren't realistic. Hoping for a fix soon!
@@GeneStuart Thanks a lot, friend!👍
Pusher test not engaged :( no idea why 😢😢
Did you bring the power up? Flaps 15?
Excuse me ,could you tell me what are generators 1⃣ &2⃣ for? Thanks 😊😊
Generators supply electrical power to their respective busses. Take a look at the LH and RH breaker panels to see which components are powered by which gen. There’s also the option of tying busses together if there’s a failure in the system.
@@GeneStuart ohh thanks very good
Can you confirm it's a common procedure irl to turn on the GEN2 first? Cause I saw some other review where the Pilot said the GEN 1 is a 300Amps Gen and the Gen2 "only" 150 Amps, and you would possibly fry the GEN 2 by turning it on first?
Yes, Pilatus calls for gen 2 on first. Take a look at the AFM for the series 10/10A (Google Pilatus PC-12 AFM; Pilatus has free PDFs on their website), section 4, p. 4-12, Engine Starting checklist. Pilatus calls for gen 2 to be switched on first, check to make sure the gen 2 CAWS light extinguishes, then gen 1 on.
@@GeneStuart thx for your reply! Great that they made the document available to the public... I will definitely use it for future flights in the sim, love to study the systems/procedures... Regards from Stuttgart, Germany
Yes, it's a great (free!) resource. Cheers!
So from one PC12 pilot to another, shouldn’t you be starting with gen 1 then gen 2? Remember gen 2 is only rated to 115 amps and gen 1 a momentary 450 amp. So starting with gen 2 could overload it. Idk I’ve always started with gen 1 then gen 2.
Just watched some of your other videos haha and you fly the NG so yea both your generators are rated for 300 then lol. But in that case you wouldn’t be flipping the “dusty switches”
I fly both the Legacy and NG. Take a look at the AFM for the series 10/10A, section 4, p. 4-12, Engine Starting checklist. Pilatus calls for gen 2 to be switched on first, check to make sure the gen 2 CAWS light extinguishes, then gen 1 on.
SWS was asked about the pressurization dial on Discord and it’s not backwards-it turns out that Pilatus has used both clockwise and counter-clockwise dials over the years.
Im not hearing any audio at all on this video. Is it just me or is there no audio?
I heard audio.
@@ThatCanadianGuy-e1p Thank you! I'll see if I can figure out what's causing it. Must be my end. Thanks for the confirmation!
@@ThatCanadianGuy-e1p I switched to my PC and am able to hear the audio fine! Thanks for the help!
I really wish the devs would STOP animating propellers as if seen through a video camera. The stroboscopic effects are cheezy.
Agreed. 🤝
Didn't SWS check with a real pilot when developing the plane or Beta testing? A lot of small anomalies that should be real to life.
Real pilots were involved. It was signed off by Pilatus themselves. Some of the inaccuracies are due to sim limitations.